This one is going to great. Leach calling James worse than a Little League dad. James word against Leach. Let the games begin. Personally my kid has no history of slacking like this and if one of his HS coaches acted like Leach purported, I am not sure it would be a media event or even a school administration matter. I can picture myself at least calling the guy a puss and publicly insulting his manhood to troll him into seeing what he's got. However I also am really close to my kids and everything they do, and they've never shown any sign of slacking off or quitting with fake injuries but I've seen other kids who do it. Speaking from experience I know some kids lie like hell to their parents so it's tough to take a side on this one. Some of the stories my wife (a teacher) tells of parents trying to gain advantage for their kids while ignoring their shitty behavior is downright legendary. Some people are blind as hell when it comes to their kids.
Leach is such a dick though I want him to lose out on this...
Local Houston 1560 AM had an interview with a guy who covers Tech in Lubbock. Casey Cowan said that 3 different stories were presented to the Board of Regents and none were consistent. He also said this goes back to last season's very public and bitter contract negotiations and that Leach is due a $800,000 bonus if he is still the coach on 1 January.
The "fat little girlfriends" line is epic, though.
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No idea what went down but I do remember the old man was a self-entitled prick at SMU (where he purportedly took his share of death penalty money) and I can't even imagine how much of a dick his kid is.
Leach is an asshole but I have a hard time believing he's a stupid enough asshole in this day and age to stick a concussion patient in an electrical closet.
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No idea what went down but I do remember the old man was a self-entitled prick at SMU (where he purportedly took his share of death penalty money) and I can't even imagine how much of a dick his kid is.
Leach is an asshole but I have a hard time believing he's a stupid enough asshole in this day and age to stick a concussion patient in an electrical closet.
Might have been an "equipment room" in lieu of an electrical closet, but I read something to the effect that he wasn't disputing that part of the issue.
Yeah, genius me posted this in the Meyer thread (now deleted):
I'm sure Leach's firing had nothing to do with the bonus Tech owes him tomorrow.
Regardless, I'm sure that actually had a lot to do with it, and will end up costing Tech big time money. Think OSU and Jim O'Brien.
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So.....I'm thinking (subject to change as more info is found/confirmed) that Craig is a heli-dad and his son is a little bitch, and is probably going to get his ass kicked in the coming days by some of his teammates.
Harsh? Maybe, but I started on the other side hearing ESPN radio this morning. Hey, JMO.
These e-mails were forwarded to CBSSports.com on Tuesday. They include messages from strength coach Bennie Wylie, inside receivers coach Lincoln Riley, former assistant coach Dana Holgorsen (now at Houston) and former players Eric Morris, Graham Harrell and Rylan Reed ...
Two days prior to the incident in question, I disciplined Adam James along with several other recievers. His attitude was poor the entire time; even with constant plees for improvement. By the end of the practice, a few of the other recievers accepted their lack of performance in the previous practice and worked harder. Adam was not one of these individuals. He was last on all the excercises asked to do and talked and "danced" during the discipline. When told that this was unacceptable, he simply shrugged his shoulders. I continued to encourge him with no success.
Bennie Wylie Head Strength and Conditioning Coach Texas Tech University
To whom it may concern:
You can find out a lot about a person after playing three years of college football with them. Adam James was a teammate of mine from 2006-2009. Ever since the day he arrived on the Texas Tech campus you couldn’t help but to feel a negative energy from him. He expected people to baby him and that he was going make it solely on the fact that his father was a very successful player. Coach Leach has never been a coach to just give something to someone because of who they are. He believes that everyone is equal and you have to earn respect from your coaches and teammates. Adam was never known as a hard worker. I can honestly agree with this because we played the same position and I witnessed his laziness on a daily bases. Adam seemed to have a negative attitude towards the football program the majority of the time. That negative energy is never good for a team and can cause some major problems on and off the field. During practices, Adam always tried to get by with doing the least he possibly could. Never do I once remember Adam to be excited or enthusiastic to be out there. It was almost like he was playing the game of football to please someone other than himself.
Sincerely,
Eric Morris
To Whom It May Concern:
Texas Tech University and the athletic department is filled with great people from the top down, starting with the chancellor all the way down to the student athletes involved in the programs. In the football program, Gerald Myers and the rest of the administration have put together an unbelievable staff that believe success only comes from hard work and doing things right. The staff expects the players and everyone involved to buy into their beliefs, but like anywhere not every player agrees with or buys into what the coaches and program stand for. At Texas Tech the majority of the players do everything the coaches ask of them and anything possible to improve the team. Adam James is one of the few players who has never bought into what Texas Tech football was built on and in my years there with him had a negative impact on the team because of his attitude and work ethic on and off the field. Coach Leach demands a lot out of every player in the program and pushed his players and coaches as hard as any coach I have ever been around, but he is fair to every player and would never make and decision or action that is not best for the Texas Tech football program.
Before Adam James ever entered the football locker room at Texas Tech I heard how spoiled and selfish he acted in a team atmosphere from many of my baseball friends. Adam was on the baseball team his true freshman year at Tech, before he ever joined the football team, and did not make it through the baseball season because of his selfish attitude. After a baseball game in which he felt like he did not get enough playing time, but the team still won twenty to one, he came into the locker room after the game and “pouted and threw a big fit” according another player on the baseball team. A few weeks later in the middle of the season, he just stopped showing up to practices or game and quit because he was not happy about how he was being treated. One of my roommates was a baseball player on the team and many of my friends were a part of the team that witnessed all of this. These baseball players told me he was “spoiled and selfish” before he ever came to the football team. After quitting baseball he came out for football and his selfish attitude was very evident, as was his laziness. During off-season workouts he often would be caught skipping lifts in the weight room or finding ways to cut corners/get out of conditioning exercises. When we had player organized seven on seven throwing in the summer, when he would show up he was much more interested in playing his own games on the side of the field or telling people that he wasn’t going to run any routes because the coaches do not get him a “fair opportunity” anyway. During the season he was often “injured” (it usually seemed like a very minor injury that could keep him out of practice but never out of any other activity, including games) so he would not participate in some drills in practice. None of these acts were productive for our team, but the most detrimental part of Adam was his off field attitude and actions. In the locker room and away from the facility, Adam used any opportunity he had to tell other players how he was being treated unfairly, how the coaches did not give him a fair chance and how we did not have to do everything the coaches told us because they had no option but to play some of us. When I heard these kinds of things I usually tried to put an end to them but Adam pretty consistently talked bad about the coaches or down played the importance of working hard, when he was off the field. When he talked to young players or players that were usually on the scout he would explain how the coaches were not fair to certain players and only played favorites. When he talked to players that did get some playing time he would talk about how we didn’t really have to do what the coaches asked of us because the coaches had to play us anyway. And it almost always tied back to how he was not getting a fair chance to play just because the coaches were unfair. The coaches were always more than fair to Adam I felt, because he came in the game during certain formations and situations last football season, but because of his work ethic and attitude, many of the players on last years team had a hard time trusting him or relying on him because he was not always practicing and we had seen his laziness during the off-season. Adam was a kid that seemed like he had been given everything he wanted his whole life and acted like if things did not go exactly how he wanted someone was treating him unfairly or someone needed to be blamed for his failures. He was a selfish player on and off the field that was counter-productive for our team and would be for any other team.
Mike Leach was not only my head coach, but he was my position coach all five of my years at Texas Tech. I spent more time with him than any other player during my five years and had meetings with him every day. He was very hard on me and every other player in program and he held very high expectations for every player. He would push us all every day during the season and during the off-season. He felt that hard work, dedication and doing things right was the only way we could be successful and compete in the Big XII conference. He worked harder and longer than anyone else in program and was committed to winning at all cost. He would never have been unfair to a player or not played the best players he had because he wanted to win more than anything else. Coach Leach also expected us to be tough but smart at the same time. He would not pressure a kid to play with a serious injury or play when he did not feel ready to play. Coach Leach is a man that cares about his player and puts his players, coaches and the well being of the Texas Tech football program above all else.
Coach Leach is a great coach at Texas Tech that emphasizes the importance of hard work and doing things the right way so that the football program has the best opportunity possible to be successful. He, along with the administration and the rest of his staff, have built a great football program at Texas Tech that is built on the virtues and principles that give any program an opportunity to be successful. Every single player may not buy into the program’s beliefs, but Mike Leach has almost everyone on board with him and the Texas Tech football program on a successful track.
Graham Harrell
To whom it may concern:
As a player under coach Leach, I have experienced some of the most memorable moments of my life in which I am very grateful for. As I stated I am a former Red Raider that played for Mike Leach and got to know him well over my four years as a Red Raider. I admire the professionalism and dedication Mike had for the game, the university and his players. He always demanded the best from each of us and we became better players and people for it. Although he pushed his players and coaches to be the best, his decisions and actions were always consistent with maintaining the program’s integrity and were in the best interest of his players. As a player, my commitment to the team was based on the trust I had developed in Coach Leach as a leader who would always put his players and his team in the best possible position for success. As a result of his guidance and coaching, in combination with my own hard work, I was able to overcome great adversity to become an All-American tackle.
A couple of bowl games ago in the Gator Bowl, I suffered a severe injury to my lower left leg in which took a lot of support from family, friends, fans, coach’s, teammates and most importantly coach Leach to get me back. It was a long road to recovery that took careful attention from trainers during practices, and Leach was always checking to make sure that I was ok. During camp, oftentimes I had to practice one day and then take a day off because of soreness. Coach Leach was very understanding, always had my best interest in mind at all times, and I will always be appreciative of that.
Another incident that occurred was after my pro day in which I hurt my knee and my dream of playing in the NFL quickly came to a halt so I went home to rehab with two semesters left from graduating. I was able to get a job and start working, but quickly realized that to get the dream job in the real world that I always wanted, it would take getting my degree from Texas Tech. When I got home from work one day, I got a phone call from coach Leach asking, if they were able to get some paper work filled out, would I be willing to come back to school to finish my degree, and of course I said yes. I am proud to say that, as a result of coach Leach’s influence, I will finish my degree from Texas Tech in May 2010. If that does not show how coach Leach cares for his players, then I do not know what does. The allegations against coach Leach are not consistent with the standards and beliefs that he has for himself and the University of Texas Tech. He has always been fair and respectful to my teammates and I. I was very saddened to hear that someone could try to take away all that he has done for this university, players and fans. I hope that you take this into consideration, and I also would be willing to further discuss anything in detail in person or by phone.
Sincerely,
Rylan Reed
To Who it May Concern:
During the last two years of being the inside receivers coach, I have had the chance to learn alot about Adam James. He came to Tech because of one person: Coach Leach. Although we adamently doubted his talent, we as coaches came to see that Adam actually had enough talent to help us out. The problem, though, is that Adam is unusually lazy and entitled. Many other players on this team, specifically receivers, have a much larger role on this team with less talent. I have always been worried about Adam's effect on my other players because of his weak and conceited attitude. I recently found out that Adam deliberately undermined my authority on many occasions. This is particularly disturbing because Coach Leach hired me to make our receivers the best group in the country, and Adam has damaged this group far more than I even realized. He should be grateful forthe opportunity that was given to him here that was not offered at any other Division 1 football program. He has an unvelievable sense of entitlement because of who his father is; one that hurts himself and people around him. Adam is the kind of person thatakes excuses or blames people for things that go wrong in his life. Furthermore, I don't have children yet, but when I do I hope they are coached by someone like Coach Leach. I have learned so many great things from him and am incredibly lucky to have him in my life.
Lincoln Riley
I am writing this letter on behalf of Mike Leach in regards to the Adam James situation. I was the inside receiver coach at Texas Tech when we made the decision the sign Adam James in January of 2007. Adam had no offers to play NCAA D1 football during and after his Senior year. After a conversation between Coach Leach and Adams father Craig, Coach Leach acquired a brief highlight tape of Adam and made the decision to take him as a scholarship student athlete. I was opposed to doing so in belief he was not a D1 football player. Coach Leach overrode my opinion and Adam became a Red Raider. During the rest of my time at Texas Tech I was Adams position coach where I always remained critical of Adams ability to play at this level due to being lazy in not only the classroom but also in the off season and during practice. Coach Leach was the one who kept saying he believed Adam would eventually contribute. Adams teammates believed he was selfish and were constantly getting onto him for lack of effort as they sensed entitlement on his part due to his father being a very good football player. Adam eventually ended up playing a little after I left due to his body type being able to do some TE sets which consists of around 5-10 plays a game. Adam should be thankful for the opportunity to play at Texas Tech and for Mike Leach, who gave him the opportunity. In my opinion playing 5-10 plays a game in an outstanding offense is more than he would get at any other school in NCAA D1 football.
Dana Holgorsen OC & QB's University of Houston
Two practices before Adam James claimed he had a concussion, Coach Leach and I were forced to discipline him for poor effort from the previous practice and poor effort during the early drills of that day. This has been a common theme about Adam's work ethic and attitude during his entire career. Adam, along with two other receivers that were also unsatisfactory, was sent to run stadium steps with Bennie Wylie. After the practice, Bennie made it very clear to Coach Leach and I that Adam was a complete "jerk" while he was being punished. After talking with Adam after the practice, it was very clear to me that Adam did not agree with the punishment and believed that we were just mis-asessing his effort. He complained to me that we were not doing our jobs as coaches and that his effort was just fine, all of which is very typical of him to say. By comparison, the other receiver that we punished agreed that his effort wasn't his best and had a good attitude with Bennie and also in meeting with me after practice. It's just another example of Adam thinking that he knows more about coaching than people who have been coaching for their entire lives. I have no doubt that anger from this led to where we are today with this situation and is his way of trying to "get back" at us coaches
Leach is my kinda guy in the sense he cares not a thing about being PC, nor what anyone thinks of him. Comes right out and calls James a child of privledge and says he's got a sense of entitlement. Not well liked, poor work habits.....calls Daddy a meddler...all this even as he enters the legal process. Outstanding.
And incidentally, I'm sure he treated his contract negotiations in the same, "Look, here's how it is" manner, which caused the offseason rift.
And by the way, this is CLEARLY all to do with finances. There's is more than enough evidence - including from another sport, that the guy was dealing with a spoiled brat. If the trainers were actually there as Leach and the trainers themselves say, he's probably got a pretty nice legal case.
Texas Tech just mortgaged their program for a bad receiver with poor work habits who happens to be the son of an ex-pro.
Nice work. See you when you're relevant again in 20 or so years.
Leach is my kinda guy in the sense he cares not a thing about being PC, nor what anyone thinks of him. Comes right out and calls James a child of privledge and says he's got a sense of entitlement. Not well liked, poor work habits.....calls Daddy a meddler...all this even as he enters the legal process. Outstanding.
And incidentally, I'm sure he treated his contract negotiations in the same, "Look, here's how it is" manner, which caused the offseason rift.
And by the way, this is CLEARLY all to do with finances. There's is more than enough evidence - including from another sport, that the guy was dealing with a spoiled brat. If the trainers were actually there as Leach and the trainers themselves say, he's probably got a pretty nice legal case.
Texas Tech just mortgaged their program for a bad receiver with poor work habits who happens to be the son of an ex-pro.
Nice work. See you when you're relevant again in 20 or so years.
Yup. Its got nothing to do with the James kid being mistreated. If it was, those trainers would be getting roasted as well.
Leach is my kinda guy in the sense he cares not a thing about being PC, nor what anyone thinks of him. Comes right out and calls James a child of privledge and says he's got a sense of entitlement. Not well liked, poor work habits.....calls Daddy a meddler...all this even as he enters the legal process. Outstanding.
And incidentally, I'm sure he treated his contract negotiations in the same, "Look, here's how it is" manner, which caused the offseason rift.
And by the way, this is CLEARLY all to do with finances. There's is more than enough evidence - including from another sport, that the guy was dealing with a spoiled brat. If the trainers were actually there as Leach and the trainers themselves say, he's probably got a pretty nice legal case.
Texas Tech just mortgaged their program for a bad receiver with poor work habits who happens to be the son of an ex-pro.
Nice work. See you when you're relevant again in 20 or so years.
While I agree overall that Tech just shot themselves back into irrelevance, how can this boil down to diollars and cents? How much more revenue does a winning program generate instead of their previous 4 win crap? Wouldn't a NY's bowl game alone pay for Leach?
My take is that you have to understand university polictics. Leach didn't play by the rules. He didn't take a PC route, he acted bigger than the institution, and there is alwas always always an uneasy tension between academics and football at these places. Had he kow towed and acted contrite and worked collaboratively with all the comittees colleges and universities love so much, he'd still be employed. Instead, he stuck out a huge middle finger on this from start to finish, just as he did w/ contract negotiations.
I look for a struggling mid major to bring him in soon. Maybe a UNLV.
BTW - Did anyone read the comments by a "Kent H" to the ESPN piece on line? I wonder if they are still there. Think it really was the TT President?
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Lead Pipe wrote:
And by the way, this is CLEARLY all to do with finances. There's is more than enough evidence - including from another sport, that the guy was dealing with a spoiled brat. If the trainers were actually there as Leach and the trainers themselves say, he's probably got a pretty nice legal case.
Texas Tech just mortgaged their program for a bad receiver with poor work habits who happens to be the son of an ex-pro.
What JB said. Shitcanning your New Year's Day meal ticket in such a sloppy way, all over a middling receiver, doesn't on the surface look like something E.F. Hutton would advise.
There's more to this than basic insubordination. It was dollars and cents - and Tech saw their financial future brighter without Leach than with him. I think discovery is going to be very very interesting, if it goes that far.
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BTW - Did anyone read the comments by a "Kent H" to the ESPN piece on line? I wonder if they are still there. Think it really was the TT President?
There's like 8,000 comments, how about a synopsis?
Bottom line: he failed to attend to an injured player properly and placed his health / life at risk, and that is a firable offense. The rest is a complication.
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BTW - Did anyone read the comments by a "Kent H" to the ESPN piece on line? I wonder if they are still there. Think it really was the TT President?
There's like 8,000 comments, how about a synopsis?
Bottom line: he failed to attend to an injured player properly and placed his health / life at risk, and that is a firable offense. The rest is a complication.
How can this be the bottom line if it is not fact?
Again, it looks like he's got himself a case. It isn't as simple as jettisoning some crazy knucklehead coach, ILO.
As far as the finance part, to be more clear, they don't want to pay a guy they have issues with that kind of cake. This is more than just th James incident, I think that will prove to be pretty clear, and finance is an additional part of that. To what degree, who knows, but it's a factor, I believe.
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How can this be the bottom line if it is not fact?
I am shocked, shocked, that Pirate Mike's former players and staff would have his back.
Daddy James is a former player and a long-time analyst. He knows that sticking his head in like Little League Dad is going to have ramifications.
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Again, it looks like he's got himself a case. It isn't as simple as jettisoning some crazy knucklehead coach, ILO.
Tech isn't full of dummies either. They knew in ditching Leach that inevitably cause or not they're going to have to settle.
There's more going on here than both sides are letting on. Tech saw enough to suspend Leach, then fire him when his response was 'Fuck you.'
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As far as the finance part, to be more clear, they don't want to pay a guy they have issues with that kind of cake. This is more than just th James incident, I think that will prove to be pretty clear, and finance is an additional part of that. To what degree, who knows, but it's a factor, I believe.
I don't disagree here. Money's always involved.
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BTW - Did anyone read the comments by a "Kent H" to the ESPN piece on line? I wonder if they are still there. Think it really was the TT President?
There's like 8,000 comments, how about a synopsis?
Bottom line: he failed to attend to an injured player properly and placed his health / life at risk, and that is a firable offense. The rest is a complication.
How can this be the bottom line if it is not fact?
Again, it looks like he's got himself a case. It isn't as simple as jettisoning some crazy knucklehead coach, ILO.
As far as the finance part, to be more clear, they don't want to pay a guy they have issues with that kind of cake. This is more than just th James incident, I think that will prove to be pretty clear, and finance is an additional part of that. To what degree, who knows, but it's a factor, I believe.
Ain't me sayin' Piper, Just to be clear. I was just synopsiz..... err, paraphrazing what "Kent H" wrote.
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As far as the finance part, to be more clear, they don't want to pay a guy they have issues with that kind of cake. This is more than just th James incident, I think that will prove to be pretty clear, and finance is an additional part of that. To what degree, who knows, but it's a factor, I believe.
I don't disagree here. Money's always involved.
Not sayin' I'm right/yer wrong, but TT isn't gonna smell no NY or near NY's Bowl Game w/out Leach. They'll go back to being Rice and Baylor.
So how much scrilla does a BCS or Bowl Week Bowl generate for a program? Anywhere from $ 300K to a couple mill? So if Leach is the dif between that jack and nada, and he's pulling down a $700K a year, how's that purely financial?
Not debating so much as trying to figure it out.
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As far as the finance part, to be more clear, they don't want to pay a guy they have issues with that kind of cake. This is more than just th James incident, I think that will prove to be pretty clear, and finance is an additional part of that. To what degree, who knows, but it's a factor, I believe.
I don't disagree here. Money's always involved.
Not sayin' I'm right/yer wrong, but TT isn't gonna smell no NY or near NY's Bowl Game w/out Leach. They'll go back to being Rice and Baylor.
So how much scrilla does a BCS or Bowl Week Bowl generate for a program? Anywhere from $ 300K to a couple mill? So if Leach is the dif between that jack and nada, and he's pulling down a $700K a year, how's that purely financial?
Not debating so much as trying to figure it out.
My guess is they might be arrogant enough to believe that they can replace Leach and keep winning rather easily? Arrogant, out of touch or clueless to that point maybe.
As far as the finance part, to be more clear, they don't want to pay a guy they have issues with that kind of cake. This is more than just th James incident, I think that will prove to be pretty clear, and finance is an additional part of that. To what degree, who knows, but it's a factor, I believe.
I don't disagree here. Money's always involved.
Not sayin' I'm right/yer wrong, but TT isn't gonna smell no NY or near NY's Bowl Game w/out Leach. They'll go back to being Rice and Baylor.
So how much scrilla does a BCS or Bowl Week Bowl generate for a program? Anywhere from $ 300K to a couple mill? So if Leach is the dif between that jack and nada, and he's pulling down a $700K a year, how's that purely financial?
Not debating so much as trying to figure it out.
My guess is they might be arrogant enough to believe that they can replace Leach and keep winning rather easily? Arrogant, out of touch or clueless to that point maybe.
Got it.
You and I know they'd be wrong.
Their mens' hoops team beat McNeese St by one point, so there's life after Knight, too.
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If Adam James was such a spoiled lazy bitch, then why the fuck didn't Mike Leach cut his ass and yank his scholarship?
The issue is not James' attitude, it's Leach's treatment of an injured player. Leach is using that to cover his ass, and it's a king hell bitch move. I guess the idea is you can justify mistreating a player if they're deemed lazy or selfish.
Fuck Mike Leach, I think not being pc gets confused with just being a total dickhead. Which he is. He's not some rebel that scoffs at being pc, he's a self centered douche bag that got caught doing something really stupid, now he wants to be nailed to cross and become a martyr.
Had Leach not allowed this, he would still have a job. It's his own fault.
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If Adam James was such a spoiled lazy bitch, then why the fuck didn't Mike Leach cut his ass and yank his scholarship?
The issue is not James' attitude, it's Leach's treatment of an injured player. Leach is using that to cover his ass, and it's a king hell bitch move. I guess the idea is you can justify mistreating a player if they're deemed lazy or selfish.
Fuck Mike Leach, I think not being pc gets confused with just being a total dickhead. Which he is. He's not some rebel that scoffs at being pc, he's a self centered douche bag that got caught doing something really stupid, now he wants to be nailed to cross and become a martyr.
Had Leach not allowed this, he would still have a job. It's his own fault.
CDT - Listen to how Leach explains this in his own words. Then I'll be interested in yr take again.
This was not an injury sustained in that practice. This is in no way what I thought at first.
You are right about Leach being a prick, though. But is he alone as a big time CFB coach?
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If Adam James was such a spoiled lazy bitch, then why the fuck didn't Mike Leach cut his ass and yank his scholarship?
The issue is not James' attitude, it's Leach's treatment of an injured player. Leach is using that to cover his ass, and it's a king hell bitch move. I guess the idea is you can justify mistreating a player if they're deemed lazy or selfish.
Fuck Mike Leach, I think not being pc gets confused with just being a total dickhead. Which he is. He's not some rebel that scoffs at being pc, he's a self centered douche bag that got caught doing something really stupid, now he wants to be nailed to cross and become a martyr.
Had Leach not allowed this, he would still have a job. It's his own fault.
+1
Not sure what being a lazy, selfish player has to do with this. If Leach did anything even vaguely resembling what was alleged, he should be stuck coaching Pop Warner. And I'm not sure if he should even be able to get that gig.
If Adam James was such a spoiled lazy bitch, then why the fuck didn't Mike Leach cut his ass and yank his scholarship?
The issue is not James' attitude, it's Leach's treatment of an injured player. Leach is using that to cover his ass, and it's a king hell bitch move. I guess the idea is you can justify mistreating a player if they're deemed lazy or selfish.
Fuck Mike Leach, I think not being pc gets confused with just being a total dickhead. Which he is. He's not some rebel that scoffs at being pc, he's a self centered douche bag that got caught doing something really stupid, now he wants to be nailed to cross and become a martyr.
Had Leach not allowed this, he would still have a job. It's his own fault.
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Not sure what being a lazy, selfish player has to do with this. If Leach did anything even vaguely resembling what was alleged, he should be stuck coaching Pop Warner. And I'm not sure if he should even be able to get that gig.
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JB wrote:
aoxo1 wrote:
Cerebral_DownTime wrote:
If Adam James was such a spoiled lazy bitch, then why the fuck didn't Mike Leach cut his ass and yank his scholarship?
The issue is not James' attitude, it's Leach's treatment of an injured player. Leach is using that to cover his ass, and it's a king hell bitch move. I guess the idea is you can justify mistreating a player if they're deemed lazy or selfish.
Fuck Mike Leach, I think not being pc gets confused with just being a total dickhead. Which he is. He's not some rebel that scoffs at being pc, he's a self centered douche bag that got caught doing something really stupid, now he wants to be nailed to cross and become a martyr.
Had Leach not allowed this, he would still have a job. It's his own fault.
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Not sure what being a lazy, selfish player has to do with this. If Leach did anything even vaguely resembling what was alleged, he should be stuck coaching Pop Warner. And I'm not sure if he should even be able to get that gig.
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Cerebral_DownTime wrote:
If Adam James was such a spoiled lazy bitch, then why the fuck didn't Mike Leach cut his ass and yank his scholarship?
The issue is not James' attitude, it's Leach's treatment of an injured player. Leach is using that to cover his ass, and it's a king hell bitch move. I guess the idea is you can justify mistreating a player if they're deemed lazy or selfish.
Fuck Mike Leach, I think not being pc gets confused with just being a total dickhead. Which he is. He's not some rebel that scoffs at being pc, he's a self centered douche bag that got caught doing something really stupid, now he wants to be nailed to cross and become a martyr.
Had Leach not allowed this, he would still have a job. It's his own fault.
CDT - Listen to how Leach explains this in his own words. Then I'll be interested in yr take again.
This was not an injury sustained in that practice. This is in no way what I thought at first.
You are right about Leach being a prick, though. But is he alone as a big time CFB coach?
No he sure as hell isn't alone. Nick Saban anyone? I heard what Leach said, it just hardened my opinion that he's a giant prick. Saying that bullshit about confining James because he was trying to help his concussion is something only a total moron would buy as the truth. He was punishing him, plain and simple.
And I don't want to hear anymore about what an asshole James and his daddy are. That has nothing to do with it. If Adam was such a little douche, Leach should've cut him. Why would you want someone like that around your team anyways?
If you're a coach are you gonna want a lazy spoiled diva around your team? Are you gonna let him take that free ride while criticizing your coaches during practice? That makes no sense.
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If Adam James was such a spoiled lazy bitch, then why the fuck didn't Mike Leach cut his ass and yank his scholarship?
The issue is not James' attitude, it's Leach's treatment of an injured player. Leach is using that to cover his ass, and it's a king hell bitch move. I guess the idea is you can justify mistreating a player if they're deemed lazy or selfish.
Fuck Mike Leach, I think not being pc gets confused with just being a total dickhead. Which he is. He's not some rebel that scoffs at being pc, he's a self centered douche bag that got caught doing something really stupid, now he wants to be nailed to cross and become a martyr.
Had Leach not allowed this, he would still have a job. It's his own fault.
CDT - Listen to how Leach explains this in his own words. Then I'll be interested in yr take again.
This was not an injury sustained in that practice. This is in no way what I thought at first.
You are right about Leach being a prick, though. But is he alone as a big time CFB coach?
No he sure as hell isn't alone. Nick Saban anyone? I heard what Leach said, it just hardened my opinion that he's a giant prick. Saying that bullshit about confining James because he was trying to help his concussion is something only a total moron would buy as the truth. He was punishing him, plain and simple.
And I don't want to hear anymore about what an asshole James and his daddy are. That has nothing to do with it. If Adam was such a little douche, Leach should've cut him. Why would you want someone like that around your team anyways?
If you're a coach are you gonna want a lazy spoiled diva around your team? Are you gonna let him take that free ride while criticizing your coaches during practice? That makes no sense.
Or maybe he was smart?
Craig James helped get him fired.
His real mistake was taking the punk.
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It's not Leach's job to treat injured players. If the trainer or the doctor did anything harmful to James, they all need fired too, regardless of who instructed them to do so. If they stay on staff, Leach should stay on staff. Putting someone in a dark room hardly constitutes endangerment. Adam James got his bell rung, like everyone does who plays football. He got sent to timeout for being a prima donna pussy.
The entire situation is probably Leach's fault, but I'm not shedding any tears for the James' family. Leach is a prick who calls them as he sees them. Not always a smart move, but he's no different than Saban or Meyer or Kelly. My money is on Leach winning this thing.
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LOL.....I wouldn't believe anything Leach says in the first place so why would 'I' consider him not lying when he calls Craig James a meddler????
Sorry, that excuse is too convenient and readily acceptable by far too many peeps looking for an easy answer. What, information is there other than what comes out of Mike Leach's mouth, that identifies Craig James as anything other than a class act?
Anyways, looks like Mike will have plenty of time to start a "Where are you now Graham Herrell?" fan club
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If he was such a pussy, why was he still on the team?
He may not have been at the end of this season. Or maybe Leach was trying to tolerate James until he graduated, trying to extend a courtesy to daddy. Bottom line is the affidavit says Leach's actions were not harmful to James, not to mention the final decision for care is up to the medical staff, not Leach. How is standing in a training room any different than standing on the sidelines at practice? And what is the difference between a dimmed training room and a dark interview room?
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"I am not aware of any other player at Texas Tech University ever being placed in a darkened shed or room similar to James. Other players who have sustained concussions in the past were sometimes placed in the physician's examination room with the lights dimmed, or in the weight room or athletic training room.
Sounds pretty similar to me.
I would think standing in the shade would be better for someone with a headache anyway. I have no idea if Craig James is a pain in the ass parent. I have no idea if Adam James is a self-entitled cry baby. I am pretty sure that Leach didn't do anything to endanger the health of Adam James, and that it is an easy way for Tech to get out of paying a lot of money.
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Classic Mike Leach interview on ESPN last night.
Leach is my kinda guy in the sense he cares not a thing about being PC, nor what anyone thinks of him. Comes right out and calls James a child of privledge and says he's got a sense of entitlement. Not well liked, poor work habits.....calls Daddy a meddler...all this even as he enters the legal process. Outstanding.
And incidentally, I'm sure he treated his contract negotiations in the same, "Look, here's how it is" manner, which caused the offseason rift.
And by the way, this is CLEARLY all to do with finances. There's is more than enough evidence - including from another sport, that the guy was dealing with a spoiled brat. If the trainers were actually there as Leach and the trainers themselves say, he's probably got a pretty nice legal case.
Texas Tech just mortgaged their program for a bad receiver with poor work habits who happens to be the son of an ex-pro.
Nice work. See you when you're relevant again in 20 or so years.
Nailed it.
They just proved they fear prosperity. Who else is going to go into a program that is arguably the 3rd best in the state in most years (might be giving A&M a tad bit much credit) and take them to 10 straight bowls and have them in the Top 10 ever again?
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They just proved they fear lawsuits, commitments fleeing to TCU/SMU, and alumni wondering why they're putting up with this joker screwing with the school's rep when its obvious he's looking for the next gravy train out of town.
Made a minor correction there.
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LOL.....I wouldn't believe anything Leach says in the first place so why would 'I' consider him not lying when he calls Craig James a meddler????
Sorry, that excuse is too convenient and readily acceptable by far too many peeps looking for an easy answer. What, information is there other than what comes out of Mike Leach's mouth, that identifies Craig James as anything other than a class act?
Anyways, looks like Mike will have plenty of time to start a "Where are you now Graham Herrell?" fan club
I have a hard time believing that what he said about James' meddling is untrue. In such a litagous society, in a case in which he himself is entering litigation, I doubt on camera he is going to say James was pestering other coaches if it were untrue. There have already been others that have come out and said that complaints about playing time from the James clan were pretty numerous.
As far as CDT's take, it's certainly on the mark, that's the reason the University has it in for him in the first place. Again, if this is an isolated incident, from a guy the University is happy with, he coaches yesterday. The guy's a nut-job, and untimately, it is all his fault.
That being said, again, I can't say it doesn't make me smile a little bit - calling out a jag-off who was too lazy to work because his sense of entitlment....outstanding. Salute.
Again, didn't say it was smart, just refreshing.
Lastly, it's easy to say kick him off the team when you don't have to deal with the potential shit-storm with a thousand other things going on during the course of the season. If the guy never gets hurt, he just bitches and moans all year like guys on every team do across the country, every year. And they are practically ALL entitled in one way or another, having their balls stroked thru the recruiting process and beyond.
Bottom line, Adam James gets the laugh now, because the mad prof is out of a job, but in 5 years, who is going to be in football, and who is going to be living off Daddy? This isn't CLOSE to being enough to get a guy black-balled.
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The punishment does not fit the crime for me either. He gave the head case the equivalent of a prolonged time out for bad behavior and he gets canned? Yikes!
Do I think Leach snapped? Hell yes. But anybody who has dealt with young people who are un-motivated, over-indulged, self serving, lazy, cancerous, etc. AND in turn had to put up with the heli-parent who is responsible for creating said child, will tell you it's easy. Is it correct, no, but it IS understandable IMO.
Leach shouldnt have done what he did, me thinks frustration just bubbled over and he finally lashed out on the **** tard. Do I know FOR SURE Little James is a **** tard, no. But I've read enough about this situation now to put this kid in the "If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it is a duck." category.
For those saying "Why didn't he cut him?" Could he? Are we so sure he didn't try and had the rug pulled out from under him by the powers above? I don't know, but neither do you. I also agree that in the end he TRIED to ride this kid out until he graduated, but then the above mentioned snappage occured, which he didn't handle correctly during AND after the incident.
Either way, I don't think he should have gotten run....maybe as more info leaks out I'll change my tune.
TT will be in deep shite without him
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Players lauded the job McNeill did throughout the week. They also described Leach as viewing himself as bigger than the program and losing touch with the players.
"It didn't click with the players, and the players kind of rebelled against him and it just kind of made things worse," Carter said of Leach. "Everyone just started doing their own thing. We weren't playing together there for a little while. So, like today, I think we played well together, and Coach Ruff did a good job today keeping us together."
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Batch also defended James, the son of ESPN analyst Craig James, who accused Leach of mistreating the sophomore receiver the day after he sustained a "mild" concussion.
"The best thing right now is just to move on. What happened happened, that's in the past now. Being mad about it won't help," Batch said. "You know, I love Adam. I support him 100 percent, and the administration did what they had to do. The Double-T, it's bigger than one person and I hope people realize that it's bigger than me, it's bigger than Ruff, it's bigger than one person. The thing that Ruff knows is, he holds that to be true: The Double-T is bigger than just one person."
The more I read, the more I think this is less A Few Good Men and more Apocalypse Now. I also wouldn't be surprised if Ruffin got the interim tag yanked, and he has as much success next year as Leach would've.
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Players lauded the job McNeill did throughout the week. They also described Leach as viewing himself as bigger than the program and losing touch with the players.
"It didn't click with the players, and the players kind of rebelled against him and it just kind of made things worse," Carter said of Leach. "Everyone just started doing their own thing. We weren't playing together there for a little while. So, like today, I think we played well together, and Coach Ruff did a good job today keeping us together."
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Batch also defended James, the son of ESPN analyst Craig James, who accused Leach of mistreating the sophomore receiver the day after he sustained a "mild" concussion.
"The best thing right now is just to move on. What happened happened, that's in the past now. Being mad about it won't help," Batch said. "You know, I love Adam. I support him 100 percent, and the administration did what they had to do. The Double-T, it's bigger than one person and I hope people realize that it's bigger than me, it's bigger than Ruff, it's bigger than one person. The thing that Ruff knows is, he holds that to be true: The Double-T is bigger than just one person."
The more I read, the more I think this is less A Few Good Men and more Apocalypse Now. I also wouldn't be surprised if Ruffin got the interim tag yanked, and he has as much success next year as Leach would've.
If Texas Tech commits to the DEFENSIVE coordinator of that team, well, you'd be right about the apocalypse.
To be clear, even if he turns out to be totally in the wrong, that doesn't change the fact that the guy can coach, and they ain't replacing him all that easily - or any cheaper, incidentally. Next year shmext year, you gotta lotta beatin' out to do in that state on the recruiting trail. I guarantee TCU hopes Tech stays in house.
Graham Harrell, the former star quarterback of Texas Tech wrote this about Adam James, “After quitting baseball he came out for football and his selfish attitude was very evident, as was his laziness. During off-season workouts he often would be caught skipping lifts in the weight room or finding ways to cut corners/get out of conditioning exercises.”
Harrell wrote this about Mike Leach,” He would never have been unfair to a player or not played the best players he had because he wanted to win more than anything else.” “Coach Leach is a great coach at Texas Tech that emphasizes the importance of hard work and doing things the right way so that the football program has the best opportunity possible to be successful.”
Former Tech offensive lineman Daniel Loper, who now plays for the NFL’s Detroit Lions, also was stunned and surprised by the allegations against Leach. Loper said the incident in question is nothing like the one earlier this year at Kansas, where head coach Mark Mangino resigned amid allegations that he abused his players verbally and physically.
“The whole time I was there, and as well as I know coach Leach, he would never do anything to publicly humiliate or endanger someone’s wellbeing, and he would never do anything unprofessional,” Loper said. “… I never saw him show any kind of favoritism or any kind of hate toward any singular person.”
Former players Graham Harrell and Eric Morris, who finished their Tech careers last season, said Leach handles injured players appropriately and equally. They said Leach and his coaching staff do not pressure players to return to the field before they’re healthy enough to do so, and Morris also said injured players are required to participate in practices just like every other Red Raider.
For example, a player with an injured leg would be required to do pushups during a workout so he could maintain his conditioning and continue to build strength. Former Tech offensive lineman Glenn January referred to the common practice as “Muscle Beach” and also said Leach “doesn’t deviate from the (NCAA) rule book at all and wouldn’t do anything to put a player in harm at all.”
“If you’re injured, you’re required to still participate in some form or fashion. You still have to be outside and doing something,” Morris said. “At times people have tried to get away with faking a little nag here and there, and to get away from people doing that, you always need to let everybody know they’re not going to stand around and do nothing. It’s a great thing to have in place. Some people want to get complacent and do different things because things aren’t going their way.”
Harrell, who finished the 2008 regular-season finale against Baylor despite breaking several bones in his hand during the first half, said Leach left the decision up to him and did not pressure the quarterback to play through the injury. Harrell also said he had the blessing of Tech’s trainers and doctors.
“He was hard on us,” Harrell said, “but it wasn’t like he ever threatened us or put us in a situation that was dangerous to us.”
Some former Tech players, who said they have been in contact with current Red Raiders and the coaching staff, questioned the validity of James’ complaint as well as his motives and intentions. They also said James has a reputation for being soft and somewhat of a prima donna.
“I think some people honestly are not tough enough to play college football, and (James) might be one of them, especially if he’s worried about being called out or humiliated,” Loper said. “… Sometimes that happens, especially at the collegiate level. It’s not like high school and Pop Warner, where everyone gets to play and gets a pat on the back. Sometimes coaches can be mean and yell.”
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For those saying "Why didn't he cut him?" Could he? Are we so sure he didn't try and had the rug pulled out from under him by the powers above? I don't know, but neither do you. I also agree that in the end he TRIED to ride this kid out until he graduated, but then the above mentioned snappage occured, which he didn't handle correctly during AND after the incident.
Bullshit. Texas Tech's admin wouldn't stop Mike Leach from cutting a fringe WR who is being lazy. Which he should've done, instead of coddling him.
He should've said "I don't give a fuck who your daddy is, you're a lazy spoiled brat and I don't want you on my team".
I got no problem with coaches riding guys who slack off, I love Woody Hayes for god's sake. But Mike Leach got Mike Leach fired. He did something stupid that crossed the line between coaching and being a vengeful prick, then he SUED his boss. Great idea.
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