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Re: The 2014 Offseason Thread

Unread postby YahooFanChicago » Sat Dec 21, 2013 6:21 pm

Baseball salaries have been excessive for a long time now but $130M for 7 years of Choo seems like crazy money...about $18M/year for Choo? For that kind of money you think you could land a franchise cornerstone to build a club around.

I like Choo's cannon arm and OPB and he does many things well but I have never seen him carry a team like a franchise player should.

I do love seeing him sign for $10M less than the Yankees offered him due to him and Boras trying to negotiate for more. So does Boras have to reduce his commission to offset the $10M difference between the Yankees original offer and what he ended up taking from Texas?
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Re: The 2014 Offseason Thread

Unread postby skatingtripods » Sat Dec 21, 2013 6:51 pm

Choo is an incredibly valuable hitter in Texas. Good conditions should help his power. He walks a lot. Has a good lineup to hit in. Ball carries really well to RF so a lot of things hit over his head will either be gone or automatic doubles.

Good landing spot for him. Better value than the 7/126 that Jayson Werth got a few winters ago.
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Re: The 2014 Offseason Thread

Unread postby The Score » Sat Dec 21, 2013 7:51 pm

YahooFanChicago wrote:Baseball salaries have been excessive for a long time now but $130M for 7 years of Choo seems like crazy money...about $18M/year for Choo? For that kind of money you think you could land a franchise cornerstone to build a club around.

I like Choo's cannon arm and OPB and he does many things well but I have never seen him carry a team like a franchise player should.

I do love seeing him sign for $10M less than the Yankees offered him due to him and Boras trying to negotiate for more. So does Boras have to reduce his commission to offset the $10M difference between the Yankees original offer and what he ended up taking from Texas?

Choo will bring home slightly more in Texas at 130 than he would in NY at 140 due to no state income tax.

Better deal for Choo, less commission for Boras.
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Re: The 2014 Offseason Thread

Unread postby bookelly » Sun Dec 22, 2013 3:41 pm

The Score wrote:
YahooFanChicago wrote:Baseball salaries have been excessive for a long time now but $130M for 7 years of Choo seems like crazy money...about $18M/year for Choo? For that kind of money you think you could land a franchise cornerstone to build a club around.

I like Choo's cannon arm and OPB and he does many things well but I have never seen him carry a team like a franchise player should.

I do love seeing him sign for $10M less than the Yankees offered him due to him and Boras trying to negotiate for more. So does Boras have to reduce his commission to offset the $10M difference between the Yankees original offer and what he ended up taking from Texas?

Choo will bring home slightly more in Texas at 130 than he would in NY at 140 due to no state income tax.

Better deal for Choo, less commission for Boras.


Think of all the endorsement money he's missing out on by not playing in NY. He should have gone to the Yanks if money was the 1st concern. I have to think that the numbers he's gonna put up in Arlington had to be a factor.
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Re: The 2014 Offseason Thread

Unread postby skatingtripods » Sun Dec 22, 2013 3:47 pm

bookelly wrote:Think of all the endorsement money he's missing out on by not playing in NY. He should have gone to the Yanks if money was the 1st concern. I have to think that the numbers he's gonna put up in Arlington had to be a factor.


His family lives in Arizona and they reportedly had an offer on the table for him as well. I don't know if he wanted to play closer to them or if the tax thing played a factor. Maybe he didn't want to play in NYC. He's not really the kind of guy who wants to be in the limelight.
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Re: The 2014 Offseason Thread

Unread postby skatingtripods » Mon Dec 23, 2013 12:30 pm

Chris Perez signs with the Dodgers. I'm sure he and Peek's favorite player Zack Greinke will get along well.
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Re: The 2014 Offseason Thread

Unread postby 1Perry » Mon Dec 23, 2013 8:15 pm

Looks like he will be used for middle relief.

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/stor ... hris-perez

Less pressure I suppose.
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Re: The 2014 Offseason Thread

Unread postby skatingtripods » Tue Dec 24, 2013 11:36 am

Depending on his effectiveness, 2.3M with closing experience is a decent little deal for the Dodgers. Pitching in LA, SD, and SF should limit the HRs he allows. He won't be nagged by the media with the other big names on the club and a lot of people are smoking pot out there. It's good fit for him and I wish him success. No animosity towards him.
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Re: The 2014 Offseason Thread

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Tue Dec 24, 2013 5:13 pm

A lot of people smoke pot everywhere. Good division though, with those gigantic, pitcher friendly ballparks. This is also good news for my blood pressure.
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Re: The 2014 Offseason Thread

Unread postby bookelly » Tue Dec 24, 2013 6:58 pm

He can smoke legally now. Wasn't he getting the stuff from SoCal anyway?
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Re: The 2014 Offseason Thread

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Re: The 2014 Offseason Thread

Unread postby skatingtripods » Thu Jan 02, 2014 10:27 am

David Laurila of Fangraphs did a Q&A with 2013 first round pick Clint Frazier: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/qa-clint ... -prospect/
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Re: The 2014 Offseason Thread

Unread postby British_Pharaoh » Fri Jan 03, 2014 5:12 pm

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Re: The 2014 Offseason Thread

Unread postby skatingtripods » Mon Jan 06, 2014 7:43 pm

Indians sign RHP Scott Atchison to a minor league deal with Spring Training invite. Reportedly close to signing Jeff Francoeur to the same.
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Re: The 2014 Offseason Thread

Unread postby Pabo » Tue Jan 07, 2014 10:43 pm

skatingtripods wrote:Indians sign RHP Scott Atchison to a minor league deal with Spring Training invite. Reportedly close to signing Jeff Francoeur to the same.


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Re: The 2014 Offseason Thread

Unread postby Erie Warrior » Wed Jan 08, 2014 6:19 am

Someone help me with Francoeur- I know it's low risk, but there isn't a MiLB outfield they have that can hit .200 in the bigs? What's Naquin doing?
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Re: The 2014 Offseason Thread

Unread postby skatingtripods » Wed Jan 08, 2014 10:00 am

Probably, but depth is never a bad thing. Don't have to waste an option year if you need an OF with a guy like Francoeur around. Reportedly one of the nicest guys in baseball, so maybe they just want to have him around camp. I don't know. It's not really a noteworthy move by any means.

As I recently wrote about, the Indians are big on platoon advantages, as we know. Frenchy's .285/.335/.465/.800 career v. LHP. Just turning 30 this season. They've made worse depth signings and minor league deals before.
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Re: The 2014 Offseason Thread

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Re: The 2014 Offseason Thread

Unread postby skatingtripods » Thu Jan 09, 2014 1:31 pm

Jamey Carroll close to signing with an unspecified team. I'm sure McPeek is furiously refreshing Twitter to see which one.
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Re: The 2014 Offseason Thread

Unread postby skatingtripods » Thu Jan 09, 2014 1:50 pm

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Jamey Carroll talks indeed heating up as @jcrasnick said. Hearing it's Nationals or Indians in on him. #MLB
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Re: The 2014 Offseason Thread

Unread postby skatingtripods » Thu Jan 09, 2014 2:30 pm

And it's the Nats that signed Carroll.

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Re: The 2014 Offseason Thread

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Re: The 2014 Offseason Thread

Unread postby British_Pharaoh » Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:26 am

John Lott of the National Post reports that during his time with the Cardinals in 2013, team coaches corrected a flaw in John Axford's delivery that had been tipping his pitches.
The Cardinals coaches filled Axford in on the secret that he had been tipping his pitches for years. Once the issue was brought to his attention and he tweaked his delivery, he posted a 1.74 ERA, 1.36 WHIP and 11/3 K/BB ratio over 10 1/3 innings at the end of the season, and followed that up with a strong performance in the playoffs. If the issue has indeed been corrected, look for the 30-year-old to rejoin the upper echelon of closers.


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Re: The 2014 Offseason Thread

Unread postby skatingtripods » Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:56 am

What's most interesting about the Axford thing is that John Smoltz noticed it on a TV broadcast back in 2010: http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/fa ... 84049.html

Not sure if it was fixed and then became an issue again, but it leads me to believe that it had been a problem for quite a while.

The Cardinals only batted .204/.339/.243/.581 off of Axford, but they did draw 20 BB in 27.2 innings of work by Axford. Next highest BB/IP is Cincinnati with 11 BB in 21.1.
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Re: The 2014 Offseason Thread

Unread postby coachMueller » Tue Jan 14, 2014 2:22 pm

Not Indians related per se, but I just finished reading a book called Trading Bases, about a dude who lost his job on Wall Street, then used his analytical skills and knowledge of sabremetrics to set up a baseball betting fund. He returned something like 40% during the 2011 season and the book is pretty good too, especially this time of year while we're all waiting for pitchers and catchers to report (and the Browns to hire another new coach...). More info at http://tradingbases.squarespace.com/.
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Re: The 2014 Offseason Thread

Unread postby skatingtripods » Tue Jan 14, 2014 2:23 pm

I'll cosign on Trading Bases. Joe Peta (@MagicRatSF) on Twitter will probably do his preseason win total articles again as well.
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Re: The 2014 Offseason Thread

Unread postby skatingtripods » Tue Jan 14, 2014 2:54 pm

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Sources: Coaches at D2 Notre Dame College (OH) have alerted players that Travis Hafner will join team's coaching staff if not signed as FA.

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Re: The 2014 Offseason Thread

Unread postby skatingtripods » Tue Jan 14, 2014 4:25 pm

Jason Collette at Fangraphs on Axford tipping pitches: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/axfords- ... s-tipping/
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Re: The 2014 Offseason Thread

Unread postby dazindiansfanuk » Tue Jan 14, 2014 10:38 pm

Indians sign Nyjer Morgan to a minor league deal.

More mouth than talent but, a minor league deal can't hurt and he's had decent seasons prior to heading off to Japan for a year.
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Re: The 2014 Offseason Thread

Unread postby skatingtripods » Wed Jan 15, 2014 5:49 pm

Not Indians-related, but Clayton Kershaw just got PAID. 7 yrs 215M. 30.7M per. Previous high contract to a pitcher was Verlander's 7/180. Kershaw can opt out after the fifth-year of the deal.
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Re: The 2014 Offseason Thread

Unread postby bookelly » Wed Jan 15, 2014 6:52 pm

skatingtripods wrote:Not Indians-related, but Clayton Kershaw just got PAID. 7 yrs 215M. 30.7M per. Previous high contract to a pitcher was Verlander's 7/180. Kershaw can opt out after the fifth-year of the deal.


I suspect this means Doyers are done. One less market for those remaining FA pitchers. My guess is Yankees get Tanaka, which leaves Seattle, Toronto, and ???? for the rest of the guys. We might have a shot...
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Re: The 2014 Offseason Thread

Unread postby skatingtripods » Wed Jan 15, 2014 7:31 pm

bookelly wrote:I suspect this means Doyers are done. One less market for those remaining FA pitchers. My guess is Yankees get Tanaka, which leaves Seattle, Toronto, and ???? for the rest of the guys. We might have a shot...


Tanaka's wife reportedly prefers the west coast. I think he either goes to Seattle or Anaheim.

Blue Jays don't want to go seven years on Tanaka.
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Re: The 2014 Offseason Thread

Unread postby Erie Warrior » Wed Jan 15, 2014 9:38 pm

skatingtripods wrote:@ChrisCotillo 8m
Sources: Coaches at D2 Notre Dame College (OH) have alerted players that Travis Hafner will join team's coaching staff if not signed as FA.

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Hafner could start at NDC "as soon as next week" according to sources. Not necessarily retirement. Wife is a cheerleading coach there.


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Re: The 2014 Offseason Thread

Unread postby Kingpin74 » Fri Jan 17, 2014 10:50 am

skatingtripods wrote:
bookelly wrote:I suspect this means Doyers are done. One less market for those remaining FA pitchers. My guess is Yankees get Tanaka, which leaves Seattle, Toronto, and ???? for the rest of the guys. We might have a shot...


Tanaka's wife reportedly prefers the west coast. I think he either goes to Seattle or Anaheim.

Blue Jays don't want to go seven years on Tanaka.


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Re: The 2014 Offseason Thread

Unread postby TouchEmAllTime » Sat Jan 18, 2014 3:57 pm

skatingtripods wrote:Not Indians-related, but Clayton Kershaw just got PAID. 7 yrs 215M. 30.7M per. Previous high contract to a pitcher was Verlander's 7/180. Kershaw can opt out after the fifth-year of the deal.


This deal almost makes me want to stop watching baseball.
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Re: The 2014 Offseason Thread

Unread postby skatingtripods » Sat Jan 18, 2014 7:26 pm

TouchEmAllTime wrote:
skatingtripods wrote:Not Indians-related, but Clayton Kershaw just got PAID. 7 yrs 215M. 30.7M per. Previous high contract to a pitcher was Verlander's 7/180. Kershaw can opt out after the fifth-year of the deal.


This deal almost makes me want to stop watching baseball.


Why? More than fair for both sides.
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Re: The 2014 Offseason Thread

Unread postby British_Pharaoh » Sun Jan 19, 2014 8:31 am

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/01/w ... m=facebook

Scott Baker is likely to land with the M's or Indians

Not the rotation acquisitions we would prefer but he's a safe bet to make the roster and do well. Excellent control-finesse style pitcher who has had success. The only thing that bothers me is that we are accumulating like for like pitchers to fill out the rotation.

Although, the longer Jimenez stays unsigned, I believe the more likely he comes back with the Indians.

I don't think the suitors for Jimmy are out there on the terms he wants.
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Re: The 2014 Offseason Thread

Unread postby Adverb Harry » Sun Jan 19, 2014 10:12 am

Indians and Masterson are reportedly just a shade under 4 million apart in arbitration proposals...Indians are at 8.05 while he's countering at 11.8. With the distance between them on just what one year would cost, I would say that long-term extension talks are going to be even trickier than originally thought.
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Re: The 2014 Offseason Thread

Unread postby skatingtripods » Sun Jan 19, 2014 10:33 am

Baker won't make the rotation.

On Masterson, this year isn't the key in the extension, it's how many FA years they're going to buy up. Frankly, even in his bad year in 2012, Masterson's market value by fWAR would have been around that 11.8M mark, depending on the $/WAR you use. His inconsistency may save the Indians a few dollars, but they'll likely have to go in that 15M per range to get a long-term deal done, unless Masterson's willing to sacrifice some AAV for more years of control, if the Indians would even entertain a five-year deal. He's been healthy, no shoulder or elbow issues, but it's a thing they don't like to do.
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Re: The 2014 Offseason Thread

Unread postby bookelly » Sun Jan 19, 2014 11:05 am

Baker could be this years Kazmir. Recovering from injury, but off a 4.5 WAR the 2 years before. Roll the dice.
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Re: The 2014 Offseason Thread

Unread postby skatingtripods » Sun Jan 19, 2014 11:12 am

bookelly wrote:Baker could be this years Kazmir. Recovering from injury, but off a 4.5 WAR the 2 years before. Roll the dice.


I have no problem with the signing. I just don't see Baker beating out Carrasco (out of options) and McAllister, with Tomlin and Bauer on the fringes.

If he's healthy and looks good, we'll see. He's a flyball pitcher, though, so I wouldn't expect his Cactus League stats to be very good, especially if he's fighting with command and control after effectively missing two years.
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Re: The 2014 Offseason Thread

Unread postby TouchEmAllTime » Sun Jan 19, 2014 2:22 pm

skatingtripods wrote:
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skatingtripods wrote:Not Indians-related, but Clayton Kershaw just got PAID. 7 yrs 215M. 30.7M per. Previous high contract to a pitcher was Verlander's 7/180. Kershaw can opt out after the fifth-year of the deal.


This deal almost makes me want to stop watching baseball.


Why? More than fair for both sides.


These contracts are just getting out of hand, I mean I know the Indians won't ever land any big names regardless so I guess big picture it doesn't matter, but what are guys like Mike Trout going to get pretty soon, $40-$50 mil a year?
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Re: The 2014 Offseason Thread

Unread postby skatingtripods » Sun Jan 19, 2014 3:00 pm

TouchEmAllTime wrote:
skatingtripods wrote:
TouchEmAllTime wrote:
skatingtripods wrote:Not Indians-related, but Clayton Kershaw just got PAID. 7 yrs 215M. 30.7M per. Previous high contract to a pitcher was Verlander's 7/180. Kershaw can opt out after the fifth-year of the deal.


This deal almost makes me want to stop watching baseball.


Why? More than fair for both sides.


These contracts are just getting out of hand, I mean I know the Indians won't ever land any big names regardless so I guess big picture it doesn't matter, but what are guys like Mike Trout going to get pretty soon, $40-$50 mil a year?


Trout probably will get 35M+ per year. 40 isn't out of the question.

Between TV revenues, inflation, a better understanding of a player's market value based on advanced statistics, it's the economics of baseball. Supply and demand. There is nobody comparable to Clayton Kershaw. He's 25, spectacular, going to continue to get better, and the Dodgers are getting 5-7 years of Kershaw in his prime.
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Re: The 2014 Offseason Thread

Unread postby Erie Warrior » Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:52 am

TouchEmAllTime wrote:
These contracts are just getting out of hand, I mean I know the Indians won't ever land any big names regardless so I guess big picture it doesn't matter, but what are guys like Mike Trout going to get pretty soon, $40-$50 mil a year?


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Re: The 2014 Offseason Thread

Unread postby pup » Tue Jan 21, 2014 10:01 am

Erie Warrior wrote:
TouchEmAllTime wrote:
These contracts are just getting out of hand, I mean I know the Indians won't ever land any big names regardless so I guess big picture it doesn't matter, but what are guys like Mike Trout going to get pretty soon, $40-$50 mil a year?


I've already got my son a tee that automatically does soft toss. Earl Woods in da hizzy!


Screw the tee. Be better off teaching him how to stand there and take pitches...then swing from the heels with 2 strikes.
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Re: The 2014 Offseason Thread

Unread postby googleeph2 » Tue Jan 21, 2014 10:36 am

pup wrote:
Erie Warrior wrote:
TouchEmAllTime wrote:
These contracts are just getting out of hand, I mean I know the Indians won't ever land any big names regardless so I guess big picture it doesn't matter, but what are guys like Mike Trout going to get pretty soon, $40-$50 mil a year?


I've already got my son a tee that automatically does soft toss. Earl Woods in da hizzy!


Screw the tee. Be better off teaching him how to stand there and take pitches...then swing from the heels with 2 strikes.


He said Earl Woods, not Earl Weaver.
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Re: The 2014 Offseason Thread

Unread postby skatingtripods » Tue Jan 21, 2014 12:52 pm

Omar to be inducted into the Indians Hall of Fame.

Hope they fly in all the women he allegedly had sex with to boost attendance.
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Re: The 2014 Offseason Thread

Unread postby Larvell Blanks » Tue Jan 21, 2014 1:25 pm

skatingtripods wrote:Omar to be inducted into the Indians Hall of Fame.

Hope they fly in all the women he allegedly had sex with to boost attendance.



Safe to assume Jose Mesa won't be in attendance?
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Re: The 2014 Offseason Thread

Unread postby skatingtripods » Wed Jan 22, 2014 10:58 am

Yankees sign Masahiro Tanaka. 7/155.

Little surprised, good call bookelly. Didn't think he'd want to go there, but I was wrong.
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Re: The 2014 Offseason Thread

Unread postby British_Pharaoh » Wed Jan 22, 2014 11:02 am

7 years? hmm
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