peeker643 wrote:Hikohadon wrote: Devaluing the importance of the QB to be roughly about the same as any other position seems to be some kind of mantra on this board these days, maybe a projection of the way people wish the world was.
Now who's projecting?
As one of the dozen people still left here and one who's been regularly involved in this circular and annual discussion, I don't find it devaluing the position whatsoever to state that there is no dead-bang answer this season (or most others) and that it's stupid to reach and overspend on a media/scout/draftnik creation if there's an actual, honest to goodness player on the board who can actually, you know, play well and make you better. Especially when there's as good a chance (or better) as not that the QB will be able to actually play the game.
Maybe we could, as a group, list all the 1st round QB selections from the last 3-4 years and look back with hindsight and say which ones were reaches (90% of 'em probably) and which percentage of those reaches paid off in a bonafide franchise QB (5% of 'em maybe??? Prolly less???).
You know how I feel about it. You have for a while.
Take the guy if you like him when it's your turn to pick. Stop reaching so desperately (and yes, there are reaches that are reasonable).
Make the position better every season through either acquisition or development. They did that this year with Campbell/Hoyer over Weeden. Do it again next year and the year after that.
And now we should all sit back with amusement and watch people suddenly swallow goo for Bortles. No one woulda known who the fuck that guy was last September. Now someone, and I guaranfuckingtee it, will talk themselves into the guy being worth #5 and certainly a top 10 pick.
Wouda been a nice player in RD2. Better in RD3. Top of 1??? Are you effing kidding me? That ain't reaching. That's leaping blindly out a 15th floor window with arm out and hoping you find something really great to cling to.
Every single fucking year it happens.
Great. Let the other idiots pay that price. It just doesn't work. I don't know how many more Gabberts and Ponders and Lockers and Weedens it takes for people to figure that out.
BPA. And if BPA is QB (considering reasonable reach) then so be it. Otherwise I'm fine with others stepping on their dicks even if I'm getting only marginally better at the position.
There's very rarely a dead-bang answer. That's why they get paid the big bucks. If every draft had an Andrew Luck, my daughters could do the job.
Reaching, I think, is an overused term. It belies that no on else had the player valued that high and that the people that actually picked him didn't even value him that high themselves but made the pick anyway. It doesn't hurt if the player ends up not playing anywhere near the expectations of players generally picked at that spot.
Weeden is likely an example of this. Possibly Gabbert, Locker, and Ponder as well, although with 3 of them going up that high in the same year, it's hardly like NO ONE else valued those players as high as they got picked. That was apparently just the going price for crap QB's that year.
Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf... those weren't reaches. Lots of teams would've picked them at those spots. Those were just poor jobs of evaluation (across the board).
Which has little to do with your post, just throwing that out there.