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Cleveland @ Cincy - Feast or Famine?

Unread postby DeanSheen » Sun Nov 17, 2013 1:03 pm

I'm going with Feast. Pound the ginger into submission and don't put the game in Little's hands.

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Unread postby British_Pharaoh » Sun Nov 17, 2013 2:10 pm

An uninspiring start with the first offensive possession there
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Unread postby British_Pharaoh » Sun Nov 17, 2013 2:18 pm

Wooooo! When was the last time we saw a rush like that?
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Unread postby British_Pharaoh » Sun Nov 17, 2013 2:22 pm

Ogbonnaya massively under-rated. Good to see him get more PT
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Unread postby FUDU » Sun Nov 17, 2013 2:28 pm

In a game like this Campbell cannot afford to miss guys as open in the EZ as Gordon was, lob that ball in there JC and it's 7-0.
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Unread postby British_Pharaoh » Sun Nov 17, 2013 2:29 pm

Dang! Little could have built a Walmart in the wide open space he was in
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Unread postby British_Pharaoh » Sun Nov 17, 2013 2:32 pm

PUNISH THEM!!! Finish it, come on
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Unread postby bac5665 » Sun Nov 17, 2013 2:40 pm

Ok, that was fun.
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Unread postby British_Pharaoh » Sun Nov 17, 2013 2:43 pm

Anything sweeter than a chorus of boos at Paul Brown stadium?
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Unread postby British_Pharaoh » Sun Nov 17, 2013 2:47 pm

Frig!!! That takes the wind out of the sails.

in before 'nice job jinxy' posts
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Unread postby Spin » Sun Nov 17, 2013 2:52 pm

It's called TACKLING ass holes.
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Re: Cleveland @ Cincy - Feast or Famine?

Unread postby FUDU » Sun Nov 17, 2013 2:58 pm

I wish we never traded Jordan Cameron, it'd be nice to have him today.
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Unread postby justmebd » Sun Nov 17, 2013 3:35 pm

Is Weeden wearing Campbell's jersey today?
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Re: Cleveland @ Cincy - Feast or Famine?

Unread postby bookelly » Sun Nov 17, 2013 3:40 pm

Campbell is NOT having a good game. He missing guys all over and keeps checking down when he should be making something happen with his feet.

With an even average QB we will be very good team.
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Unread postby FUDU » Sun Nov 17, 2013 3:51 pm

Longest second quarter in NFL history, fuck, get into the locker room already.
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Re: Cleveland @ Cincy - Feast or Famine?

Unread postby Hikohadon » Sun Nov 17, 2013 4:02 pm

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Re: Cleveland @ Cincy - Feast or Famine?

Unread postby FUDU » Sun Nov 17, 2013 4:42 pm

What a crap game, a surprising 51 total points, but only 31 total coming from both offensive units so far. The Bengals will be a one and done in the post season for sure.
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Re: Cleveland @ Cincy - Feast or Famine?

Unread postby HoodooMan » Sun Nov 17, 2013 5:39 pm

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Pretty much. He sucked and was the primary reason we lost. We'd have been up more early if it wasn't for him, and things wouldn't have started snowballing so badly afterwards if it wasn't for him.

Eh.
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Unread postby jerryroche » Sun Nov 17, 2013 6:22 pm

The word "crapfest" was originally coined for a quarter like the 2nd--if there's ever been a quarter like that one.
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Re: Cleveland @ Cincy - Feast or Famine?

Unread postby DeanSheen » Sun Nov 17, 2013 7:14 pm

Thanks for the shit sandwich guys. If Campbell just played up to his 83QBR career rating things might not have been so bad.

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Re: Cleveland @ Cincy - Feast or Famine?

Unread postby Hikohadon » Sun Nov 17, 2013 7:24 pm

DeanSheen wrote:Thanks for the shit sandwich guys. If Campbell just played up to his 83QBR career rating things might not have been so bad.

New special teams coach next year?


Who cares? Call me when you have a QB.

Edit to be less a dick - I don't think the ST have been bad before this game, so unless this is an ongoing thing, probably no new ST coach.
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Re: Cleveland @ Cincy - Feast or Famine?

Unread postby Hikohadon » Sun Nov 17, 2013 9:11 pm

One thing this game underlines is how poor the Chiefs and Ravens' offenses are. Be shocked if the Broncos don't buttfuck KC tonight.
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Re: Cleveland @ Cincy - Feast or Famine?

Unread postby peeker643 » Mon Nov 18, 2013 9:50 am

Chiefs are legit. They lost to the best team in the AFC last night, but that was a good football game that swung on a couple of plays like those kinds of games do. The KC fumble right after the Denver fumble in the red zone was killer. Game changing fumble.

And the fact the Broncos were without Clady and an old, hurt Manning didn't get touched by the best pair of rush ends in the game is amazing.

That was really good football last night. And by the way, if you guys get a chance to watch it on NBC.com do so. The camera angles you can watch from are awesome to see plays open up or break down live.
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Re: Cleveland @ Cincy - Feast or Famine?

Unread postby jb » Mon Nov 18, 2013 2:57 pm

DeanSheen wrote:I'm going with Feast. Pound the ginger into submission and don't put the game in Little's hands.

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Quality prognostication there, Dino.

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Re: Cleveland @ Cincy - Feast or Famine?

Unread postby FUDU » Mon Nov 18, 2013 3:29 pm

peeker643 wrote:Chiefs are legit. They lost to the best team in the AFC last night, but that was a good football game that swung on a couple of plays like those kinds of games do. The KC fumble right after the Denver fumble in the red zone was killer. Game changing fumble.

And the fact the Broncos were without Clady and an old, hurt Manning didn't get touched by the best pair of rush ends in the game is amazing.

That was really good football last night. And by the way, if you guys get a chance to watch it on NBC.com do so. The camera angles you can watch from are awesome to see plays open up or break down live.


Yeah it was a good game I suppose, but KC's issue was exposed, again. Smith, while a very capable QB (and solid game manager) isn't strong at pulling the trigger in tight spots when it counts most, when the outcome of the play is uncertain. KC isn't beating Denver with that type of conservative approach. KC probably isn't beating the Pats that way either, nor the Colts if the Colts on on their game. Fumbles happen, just ask Denver, part of the game and you need to be able to respond, KC isn't as capable as some of the offensive juggernauts are at doing so.
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Re: Cleveland @ Cincy - Feast or Famine?

Unread postby Triple-S » Mon Nov 18, 2013 4:07 pm

Jason Campbell was the reason the Browns lost?

Are you guys in such a habit of blaming the coach and QB that's literally where your first thought goes?

I mean the other times it was justified because Shurmer/Weeds hate were definitely warrented.

Campbell? you're pissed at a guy who's a third stringer, and who's not going to be on the roster this year, yet led you to a win against B-More?

You're only going to be able to do so much in the situation he was in. You're literally expecting that Cheeseburger you bought at Speedway at 3 am to taste like one you bought at Ray Place a few weeks a go.

Hell I guarantee if the Scud Farkus looking dick who was playing for the "Imitation" Browns on the other side of the sideline was slinging the ball for us he'd had have looked just as bad.
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Unread postby Hikohadon » Mon Nov 18, 2013 4:38 pm

Triple-S wrote:Jason Campbell was the reason the Browns lost?

Are you guys in such a habit of blaming the coach and QB that's literally where your first thought goes?

I mean the other times it was justified because Shurmer/Weeds hate were definitely warrented.

Campbell? you're pissed at a guy who's a third stringer, and who's not going to be on the roster this year, yet led you to a win against B-More?

You're only going to be able to do so much in the situation he was in. You're literally expecting that Cheeseburger you bought at Speedway at 3 am to taste like one you bought at Ray Place a few weeks a go.

Hell I guarantee if the Scud Farkus looking dick who was playing for the "Imitation" Browns on the other side of the sideline was slinging the ball for us he'd had have looked just as bad.


"Do so much in the situation he was in"? What situation are you speaking of? Having a guy so wide open in the end zone that not even Colt McCoy could miss him and throwing it into the D line? Or floating the ball over the head of a wide open receiver at the 5 on the next drive? Or the putrid pick next time he got the ball? Which of those situations was tough on the poor guy?

I don't care where he started the year or where he'll be next year, he started the game today. It wasn't his first start, not of the year, not of his career. So do I blame him for a big portion of what went wrong yesterday? Hell yes.

He looked every bit as bad as Weeden usually looks, and if the Browns started Weeden's sorry ass and got that shit sandwich people'd sure as hell blame him too. There are no passes for sucking that bad. He ain't a rookie.

Obviously 2 blocked punts helped as well, and a plethora of other things. But make no mistake, Campbell deserves all the criticism he's getting.
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Unread postby peeker643 » Mon Nov 18, 2013 4:41 pm

He was horsehit yesterday because he's horseshit every day. Good QBs don't typically bounce around the league like some $10 whore in a Phillipines bar.

He stinks. He pretty much has his entire career.

And yet he's still the best option on the roster yesterday, today and tomorrow.

But that doesn't mean he ain't horseshit. And he was brutal yesterday. Hell, he was late and behind last week too, and made just enough plays to win that game.
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Unread postby DeanSheen » Mon Nov 18, 2013 5:00 pm

jb wrote:
DeanSheen wrote:I'm going with Feast. Pound the ginger into submission and don't put the game in Little's hands.

Go Browns!



Quality prognostication there, Dino.

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Well I was right about us containing the ginger.

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Unread postby Triple-S » Mon Nov 18, 2013 5:13 pm

Hikohadon wrote:He looked every bit as bad as Weeden usually looks, and if the Browns started Weeden's sorry ass and got that shit sandwich people'd sure as hell blame him too. There are no passes for sucking that bad. He ain't a rookie.

Obviously 2 blocked punts helped as well, and a plethora of other things. But make no mistake, Campbell deserves all the criticism he's getting.


25 MPH+ winds and a Tornado lurking will do that to your passing game.

Sorry. It will. Everyone likes to pretend the dude was playing in the Silverdome, but I'll be damned if that Shit ass Stadium down in Cincy doesn't act like a giant dust bowl.

How the hell could you explain the punter for Cincy getting a freak of nature punt to pin us back to the 15, despite the fact we held them during their first drive.

And when you have no ground game to speak of? That's going to be the result.

Shit like this game happens. If he sucks next week? Then yeah, I'll tell him the hell off. But for now, he gets a pass this week.
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Unread postby Hikohadon » Mon Nov 18, 2013 5:24 pm

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Hikohadon wrote:He looked every bit as bad as Weeden usually looks, and if the Browns started Weeden's sorry ass and got that shit sandwich people'd sure as hell blame him too. There are no passes for sucking that bad. He ain't a rookie.

Obviously 2 blocked punts helped as well, and a plethora of other things. But make no mistake, Campbell deserves all the criticism he's getting.


25 MPH+ winds and a Tornado lurking will do that to your passing game.

Sorry. It will. Everyone likes to pretend the dude was playing in the Silverdome, but I'll be damned if that Shit ass Stadium down in Cincy doesn't act like a giant dust bowl.

How the hell could you explain the punter for Cincy getting a freak of nature punt to pin us back to the 15, despite the fact we held them during their first drive.

And when you have no ground game to speak of? That's going to be the result.

Shit like this game happens. If he sucks next week? Then yeah, I'll tell him the hell off. But for now, he gets a pass this week.


::doh::

I don't know why we have to go giving passes to our "favorites". Weeden has that performance and people would murder his wife. But because it was someone that hasn't had enough starts yet for Cleveland for the masses to despise, it was the fault of "hurricane conditions".

The nameless faceless guy that played QB for the Browns on Sunday was TERRIBLE and a large reason why they lost. Period.

Maybe he can be better next week. We have no choice but to find out. Trying to find a silver lining to the Jason fucking Campbells of the world is what we are reduced to since we haven't had a good QB since Family Ties was still on the air.
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Unread postby googleeph2 » Mon Nov 18, 2013 5:46 pm

I live about 12 miles from the Cin stadium. At 1pm, it was like one of those warm, wet, overcast October games. The gusts didn;t pick up til later. Campbell is a starting QB for a professional team who was missing open receivers and throwing into double/triple coverage checkdowns. If weather conditions were to blame, his arm is not NFL-caliber. Those who want Campbell to be accountable are citing his judgment and bouts of panic. The ground game sucks, but he missed open receivers and cost the team points.
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Unread postby HoodooMan » Mon Nov 18, 2013 5:50 pm

FUDU wrote:Yeah it was a good game I suppose, but KC's issue was exposed, again. Smith, while a very capable QB (and solid game manager) isn't...


...really much better than Jason Campbell.

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Unread postby FUDU » Mon Nov 18, 2013 5:54 pm

HoodooMan wrote:
FUDU wrote:Yeah it was a good game I suppose, but KC's issue was exposed, again. Smith, while a very capable QB (and solid game manager) isn't...


...really much better than Jason Campbell.

Go SF/KC Super Bowl!


Never thought about the comparison to be honest, now that you mention it, maybe not. I'd take Smith over soupy though.
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Re: Cleveland @ Cincy - Feast or Famine?

Unread postby HoodooMan » Mon Nov 18, 2013 5:55 pm

Hikohadon wrote:"Do so much in the situation he was in"? What situation are you speaking of? Having a guy so wide open in the end zone that not even Colt McCoy could miss him and throwing it into the D line? Or floating the ball over the head of a wide open receiver at the 5 on the next drive? Or the putrid pick next time he got the ball? Which of those situations was tough on the poor guy?


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Unread postby googleeph2 » Mon Nov 18, 2013 5:57 pm

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Unread postby pod2dawg » Mon Nov 18, 2013 7:14 pm

...and I think he's still hurting from the pancake he received from that Monster All-Pro NG we passed on for Baltimore. If I were the Squeelers I'd "double" the back out of the backfield.
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Unread postby leadpipe » Mon Nov 18, 2013 10:09 pm

Any official word on Jason Campbell shattering Brady Quinn's NFL single game check-down record?
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Unread postby DeanSheen » Mon Nov 18, 2013 10:48 pm

leadpipe wrote:Any official word on Jason Campbell shattering Brady Quinn's NFL single game check-down record?


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Re: Cleveland @ Cincy - Feast or Famine?

Unread postby jerryroche » Tue Nov 19, 2013 12:28 am

Jason Campbell had two pretty decent games as the Browns' starting QB. But fans are now realizing that there are reasons why Campbell did not stick with the Raiders and Redskins.

Brian Hoyer had two pretty decent games as the Browns' starting QB. But who's to say that there are not reasons why Hoyer did not stuck with the Patriots and Steelers? How can you judge a QB on the basis of two "pretty decent games"? Who's to say that Hoyer wouldn't suck eggs -- like Campbell did Sunday -- if handed the starting role next September?

QB is hands-down the most important position in all of sports. So don't draft a damn QB next spring -- draft two or three! Hell, why not go into next summer with six or eight young QBs (including UFAs) and let them duke it out? Best man wins. Survival of the fittest.
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Re: Cleveland @ Cincy - Feast or Famine?

Unread postby DeanSheen » Tue Nov 19, 2013 12:32 am

" Hell, why not go into next summer with six or eight young QBs (including UFAs) and let them duke it out? Best man wins. Survival of the fittest."

Because: Mis-allocation of resources. Gotta field 52 on the roster.
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Re: Cleveland @ Cincy - Feast or Famine?

Unread postby justmebd » Tue Nov 19, 2013 8:35 am

If Campbell recovers and has a good game against the Yinzers, all will be forgiven. If Campbell repeats this performance, may whatever God you believe in have mercy on his soul.
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Re: Cleveland @ Cincy - Feast or Famine?

Unread postby googleeph2 » Tue Nov 19, 2013 9:46 am

DeanSheen wrote:
leadpipe wrote:Any official word on Jason Campbell shattering Brady Quinn's NFL single game check-down record?


I said a very similar thing to a Domer today at work. He was not amused.


Never liked Quinn much as a QB, but I don't recall him forcing checkdown throws into coverage.
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Re: Cleveland @ Cincy - Feast or Famine?

Unread postby googleeph2 » Tue Nov 19, 2013 9:52 am

jerryroche wrote:fans are now realizing that there are reasons why Campbell did not stick with the Raiders and Redskins.


Our eyes were open on that, weren't they? It's not like we were angry they skipped over him for Hoyer.

jerryroche wrote:QB is hands-down the most important position in all of sports. So don't draft a damn QB next spring -- draft two or three!


Agree, and it's not like the Browns don't go through multiple QBs every year anyway.
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Re: Cleveland @ Cincy - Feast or Famine?

Unread postby jerryroche » Tue Nov 19, 2013 10:12 am

DeanSheen wrote:Because: Mis-allocation of resources. Gotta field 52 on the roster.

The point is that QB is THE most essential element of success in the NFL nowadays, and no other position is even close. Guys on these boards have said the same for years. So don't piss around every year hoping and praying that your first- or second-rounder is going to be "The Answer." Stockpile. One year. (And if your talent evaluation sucks so bad that you can't find him, your team has no hope anyway.)

Find your All-Pro first. Then build around him.
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Re: Cleveland @ Cincy - Feast or Famine?

Unread postby Hikohadon » Tue Nov 19, 2013 10:45 am

jerryroche wrote:Brian Hoyer had two pretty decent games as the Browns' starting QB. But who's to say that there are not reasons why Hoyer did not stuck with the Patriots and Steelers? How can you judge a QB on the basis of two "pretty decent games"? Who's to say that Hoyer wouldn't suck eggs -- like Campbell did Sunday -- if handed the starting role next September?

QB is hands-down the most important position in all of sports. So don't draft a damn QB next spring -- draft two or three! Hell, why not go into next summer with six or eight young QBs (including UFAs) and let them duke it out? Best man wins. Survival of the fittest.


To your first point - I agree that if Hoyer had stayed healthy he would've demonstrated his limitations by now. Not really interested in that guy as a starter except maybe in a brief mentoring role next season.

The second - the obvious problem with drafting 3 QB's is that you then have to enter the season with 3 rookies and nothing else at that position, which probably isn't optimal to their short or long term success (unless one of them plays like Andrew Luck). And it's not like this team has no other holes. If you're Banner and Lombardi and you trust your judgment (and I'm guessing they do even if we don't), then you ride with the first QB you take and fill other positions of need and maybe take a 2nd QB in the 6th or 7th round.

I'm sure who that QB will be shall dominate discussion go-forward - there will be only a very small minority that are fine with going into next year with Hoyer or Campbell as the entrenched starter, and Weeden should really head north of the border if he ever wants a shot to start again.
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Re: Cleveland @ Cincy - Feast or Famine?

Unread postby jerryroche » Tue Nov 19, 2013 10:52 am

Hikohadon wrote:
jerryroche wrote:QB is hands-down the most important position in all of sports. So don't draft a damn QB next spring -- draft two or three! Hell, why not go into next summer with six or eight young QBs (including UFAs) and let them duke it out? Best man wins. Survival of the fittest.

If you're Banner and Lombardi and you trust your judgment (and I'm guessing they do even if we don't), then you ride with the first QB you take and fill other positions of need and maybe take a 2nd QB in the 6th or 7th round.


Sorry, Hiko. Been there, done that. Every year (or at least it seems so) since 1999 and Tim Couch.
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Re: Cleveland @ Cincy - Feast or Famine?

Unread postby jb » Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:18 am

peeker643 wrote:He was horsehit yesterday because he's horseshit every day. Good QBs don't typically bounce around the league like some $10 whore in a Phillipines bar.

He stinks. He pretty much has his entire career.

And yet he's still the best option on the roster yesterday, today and tomorrow.

But that doesn't mean he ain't horseshit. And he was brutal yesterday. Hell, he was late and behind last week too, and made just enough plays to win that game.



What means campbell isn't horse shit is the fact he's not proven by a lengthy NFL career.

This isn't Frank Reich, Gary Kubiak of even Gus Frerotte.

Jason Campbell is an average NFL QB coming off a very poor performance after having 2 quality starts. He's not nearly as bad as you make him out to be. He's been caught in some truly poor situations and it precisely the kind of guy you roll the die on in the intended role they had him in. make no mistake Sunday he was bad. But his whole career isn't defined by Sunday. Not saying he's great or even good. He's average.
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Re: Cleveland @ Cincy - Feast or Famine?

Unread postby Hikohadon » Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:21 am

jerryroche wrote:
Hikohadon wrote:
jerryroche wrote:QB is hands-down the most important position in all of sports. So don't draft a damn QB next spring -- draft two or three! Hell, why not go into next summer with six or eight young QBs (including UFAs) and let them duke it out? Best man wins. Survival of the fittest.

If you're Banner and Lombardi and you trust your judgment (and I'm guessing they do even if we don't), then you ride with the first QB you take and fill other positions of need and maybe take a 2nd QB in the 6th or 7th round.


Sorry, Hiko. Been there, done that. Every year (or at least it seems so) since 1999 and Tim Couch.


I'm not necessarily presenting that as what they SHOULD do, rather what they WILL do.

They will not draft more than one QB early, and they will not draft more than 2.
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Re: Cleveland @ Cincy - Feast or Famine?

Unread postby peeker643 » Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:28 am

Guys who stink often are not defined by long NFL careers. I thought was self-evident enough but...

6 years, 4 teams.

He was fine against Ravens. Threw some balls up for grabs too. Was late and behind too. That's a trait he has. Some days you get away with it.

Not to mention dude ain't Blood & Guts Patton in the face of adversity. He looked like the whiny kid who lost his bike for a week cuz his parents found it unattended. Very Seneca Wallace-like IMO.

Hope he enjoys his stay at the Last Chance Saloon.

Oh...and know how else I know what Jason Campbell is aside from 4 teams in 6 years and his mediocre numbers and poor leadership attributes?

Brian Hoyer started ahead of the #2 guy.

Meh... not worth the arguing. Not good enough to be the guy equals shit at this point and IMO.
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