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Re: The Walking Dead, tv series

Unread postby StewieG » Mon Oct 22, 2012 1:02 am

Did Rick just figure out that killing is an acceptable solution to his problems?
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Re: The Walking Dead, tv series

Unread postby Govbarney » Mon Oct 22, 2012 9:12 am

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:If it's half as good as the comic, which in some places it hasn't been, it should be a bloodbath. Torture, murder, rape, awful shit.

Dale wasn't killed like that in the comics. He had his leg eaten by cannibals. He had been bitten before hand and the cannibals tried to vomit up the infected "meat". Rick and some of the survivors proceed to massacre the cannibals in brutal fashion. I don't consider that a spoiler since he's fuckin' dead already.

The point of the comic is the real walking dead are the survivors, not the zombies. They're all infected as shown in season 2.


I downloaded the first four volumes of the comic on my IPAD last week, I just started the third Volume "Safety Behind Bars". I got to ask when does all the "Torture, murder, rape, awful shit." start happening , because so far its been a slow read. Maybe I am just not accustomed to graphic novels, the only other one I have ever read was Watchman, which I thought was fantastic, but through the first two volumes of "Walking Dead" I have been disappointed in the writing. Its been disjointed, and kind of cheesy IMO.
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Re: The Walking Dead, tv series

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Mon Oct 22, 2012 1:28 pm

The battle for the prison with the Governor and his group, the whole sequence leading up to that.

What the Governor does to the group, especially Michonne. It's awful.
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Re: The Walking Dead, tv series

Unread postby Adverb Harry » Sun Nov 04, 2012 11:26 pm

Holy. Shit.

I don't think anyone can complain about the pace of this show anymore.
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Re: The Walking Dead, tv series

Unread postby StewieG » Mon Nov 05, 2012 1:33 am

Well that escalated quickly.

Did anyone else think the baby was going to be DOA and turn, eating Lori from within?
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Re: The Walking Dead, tv series

Unread postby Orenthal » Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:47 am

Just glad she is dead.
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Re: The Walking Dead, tv series

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Mon Nov 05, 2012 6:02 pm

What a surprises. Until I head the gunshot, I was SURE they were gonna keep her alive somehow.

The Governor has been really good so far. Outwardly he has that "ah shucks" demeanor, but they showed you what he's really capable of.
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Re: The Walking Dead, tv series

Unread postby Orenthal » Wed Nov 07, 2012 5:48 pm

My fav character, by far^

Didn't like seeing T-Dog die. Him being conflicted gave him some depth, but I guess they have only enough space for one black guy with issues. So when unnamed prisoner guy dies, maybe Morgan makes his return.
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Re: The Walking Dead, tv series

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Thu Nov 08, 2012 10:59 am

I think Rick goes on a zombie killing rampage next episode.
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Re: The Walking Dead, tv series

Unread postby Orenthal » Thu Nov 08, 2012 5:50 pm

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I think Rick goes on a zombie killing rampage next episode.


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Re: The Walking Dead, tv series

Unread postby Adverb Harry » Thu Nov 08, 2012 6:36 pm

Really was shocked to see her go so quickly in the season, especially in the same episode as another semi-major character. I figured (wrongly) that made everyone else "safe" for a while. Knew she was a goner at some point, but I figured it as more of a mid-season cliffhanger or season-finale type deal, not a quarter of the way in. You can definitely feel the change in tone and pacing with the new creative team behind it.
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Re: The Walking Dead, tv series

Unread postby Orenthal » Mon Nov 19, 2012 2:28 pm

Pick up the phone Rick!
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Re: The Walking Dead, tv series

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:14 pm

Michonne taking that guy's head off was awesome. Rick's sanity is slipping. And war is coming.
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Re: The Walking Dead, tv series

Unread postby motherscratcher » Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:23 am

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:Michonne taking that guy's head off was awesome. Rick's sanity is slipping. And war is coming.


I was wondering, why didn't Michonne take out Merl first? Obviously he was by far the biggest threat.

Stupid Michonne.
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Re: The Walking Dead, tv series

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:25 am

I think he was too far away. So she took out the two she knew she could kill.
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Re: The Walking Dead, tv series

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Wed Nov 28, 2012 4:54 pm

A much, much, much better series this year. If they were smart they would just pretend like last season didn't even happen.

Still some stupid ass shit (the phone call thing with Rick), but nowhere near enough stupid shit to take away from the fun shit.

That said, I'm very impressed by the shut-in that was able to live for a year in a shed off of a fox carcass while not noticing the dead chilling outside. Dude can sleep.
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Re: The Walking Dead, tv series

Unread postby motherscratcher » Wed Nov 28, 2012 11:12 pm

Yeah, this season is two steps up from the previous season. Not a dull episode yet. There have been a few farts, like the phone call you mentioned, but they generally don't last long like they seemed to in the past.

The dude playing the Governor is perfectly cast and Michonne is pretty badass, if slightly underused so far.

The best decision they made was to jump ahead 8 months.
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Re: The Walking Dead, tv series

Unread postby Erie Warrior » Thu Nov 29, 2012 1:10 pm

The Governor is a bad, bad dude.

What he did to Glen's lady friend was some cold-ass shit.
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Re: The Walking Dead, tv series

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Thu Nov 29, 2012 1:53 pm

Watching that hermit get stabbed and sacrificed actually brother mother to mind. I couldn't think of a single person that would deserve that random ass end to their life until I remember that the douchy dentist from the North Shore exists.
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Re: The Walking Dead, tv series

Unread postby motherscratcher » Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:05 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:Watching that hermit get stabbed and sacrificed actually brother mother to mind. I couldn't think of a single person that would deserve that random ass end to their life until I remember that the douchy dentist from the North Shore exists.


I'd take that. Go out while living blissfully unaware of the zombie apocalypse in a cabin in the woods. There are worse fates.

My preferred scenario is getting eaten by a shark. A few moments of sheer terror followed by uncomprehendingly watching as appendages are removed from your body and quickly bleeding out. Probably very little pain due to the adrenaline. And it would leave a great story for family and friends.

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Re: The Walking Dead, tv series

Unread postby pod2dawg » Thu Nov 29, 2012 4:32 pm

^^^^^^^^ Well, that sounds about right. :)

If I were the shark bait my friends and family's next line would be,

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Re: The Walking Dead, tv series

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Sun Dec 02, 2012 11:06 pm

That was just about as much tension as you can pack into an hour of TV. Holy fuck.
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Re: The Walking Dead, tv series

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Sun Oct 13, 2013 10:25 pm

Great season premier. Raining zombies, face stabbings, and that crazy bitch.

And no, you have not seen the last of The Governor. Michonne still has a score to settle.
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Re: The Walking Dead, tv series

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Mon Oct 14, 2013 12:42 am

Didn't realize this show was back, glad CDT is here to remind me (honestly).

Hopefully the improvement from last season occurs yet again Last season was actually really entertaining for the most part. This isn't ever going to be intellectually stimulating TV, just make it badass and entertaining and I'm straight. They only falter when they try to "develop" characters that aren't worth developing. Unfortunately they spent most of two seasons doing that.
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Re: The Walking Dead, tv series

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Mon Oct 14, 2013 5:47 pm

They'll probably introduce the roaming bands of cannibals this season. A very prominent character might lose a body part (not by being bit). They've become well organized after taking in the Woodbury refugees, trying to turn the prison into a permanent home. The downside is they're not as mobile as they used to be, they can't just pack up and move because of the extra people. Which also requires them to make more runs to feed everyone until they can get their crops and livestock going.

There was a lot of foreshadowing in that episode.
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Re: The Walking Dead, tv series

Unread postby pod2dawg » Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:32 pm

SWINE FLU?
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Re: The Walking Dead, tv series

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:17 pm

I have no idea. The show is very different from the comic (I don't even remember him in the books). I assume he was already sick with something and it killed him and caused him to turn.
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Re: The Walking Dead, tv series

Unread postby StewieG » Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:22 pm

Looks more like ebola to me. Bleeding eyes/nose/mouth, nausea, fever/chills, etc. Plus they spent a long time lingering on those walkers with the bled-out eyes. I think he got it when he ate the deer Darryl killed. Which probably means he's not the only one infected.

Trying to figure out who dies early in the season. I've got one of Sasha/Karen, with an outside shot at Herschel.
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Re: The Walking Dead, tv series

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:29 pm

In the books, Herschel was killed in the 2nd assault on the prison along with Lori, her baby, and that last surviving inmate. There was no Daryl or Merle either. Sophia lived and was Carl's "girlfriend" and Carol killed herself.

I think it's very possible that you're right about the deer, and maybe animals can be carriers of the virus. Whatever it was it killed him quick.

I think they missed a chance to have Michonne takes the heads off some zombies while returning on horseback. That would have been cool to see.
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Re: The Walking Dead, tv series

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:28 pm

Last 2 episodes have been absolutely fantastic. Tyreese and Michonne tearing walkers apart. Carroll murdering 2 of the sick and being shunned by Rick. Carl and Rick lighting up that whole heard of walkers.

And of course.... the return of the Governor. Fuckin' A.
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Re: The Walking Dead, tv series

Unread postby Hikohadon » Mon Nov 11, 2013 12:02 am

I've actually been a little disappointed with this season so far (haven't watched tonight's yet though). Last episode was way too talky.
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Re: The Walking Dead, tv series

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Mon Nov 11, 2013 12:22 am

I totally disagree. The dialogue was needed and really good. Rick confronting Carroll on the murders, Herschel trying to comfort and care for people on the verge of death. Plus there was enough action on the run to the vet school, Michonne taking heads left and right.
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Re: The Walking Dead, tv series

Unread postby Larvell Blanks » Tue Nov 12, 2013 9:25 am

as Rick and Carl are mowing down the herd, Carl walks off screen towards them and continues firing, Rick has a look of pride and fear. Proud that Carl is fearless and yet fearful that Carl is fearless and may becoming emotionless.

But the weakened fence and the Gov looking on from the outskirts may put the time left occupying the prison, to a minimum.
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Re: The Walking Dead, tv series

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Tue Nov 12, 2013 2:48 pm

Larvell Blanks wrote:as Rick and Carl are mowing down the herd, Carl walks off screen towards them and continues firing, Rick has a look of pride and fear. Proud that Carl is fearless and yet fearful that Carl is fearless and may becoming emotionless.

But the weakened fence and the Gov looking on from the outskirts may put the time left occupying the prison, to a minimum.



That scene was shot so well and realistic. It wasn't just spraying bullets, they were tactical and using controlled fire. Which is one thing I love about the core members of the group, they're all battle hardened and expert walker killers.

Carl has been losing his capacity for emotion since the walker he failed to kill do to fear, killed Dale.
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Re: The Walking Dead, tv series

Unread postby StewieG » Tue Nov 12, 2013 2:56 pm

Yeah, the prison is about done.

And I agree on that scene. Very well done. Up until the last couple episodes of last season, I wasn't loving the Carl character. Since he shot that kid though, and gave his reasoning as to why, he's become much more interesting. Carol and Herschel are probably the 2 most interesting characters, but Carl's now pretty high up the list.

Any thoughts on when/how Carol returns? I'm guessing she finds the people who were talking on the radio, and then either comes back to find the group, or the group also finds those people and they meet Carol there.
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Re: The Walking Dead, tv series

Unread postby Larvell Blanks » Tue Nov 12, 2013 5:59 pm

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:

That scene was shot so well and realistic. It wasn't just spraying bullets, they were tactical and using controlled fire. Which is one thing I love about the core members of the group, they're all battle hardened and expert walker killers.

Carl has been losing his capacity for emotion since the walker he failed to kill do to fear, killed Dale.


^true, that slipped my mind


nice father/son moment when Carl killed that walker at Rick's feet, they exchange a quick glance and Carl flips him another clip. Ensue massacre

Waiting for the conversation between Rick and Daryl regarding Carol. Daryl showed off his Alpha male when confronting Bob and his bottle, gonna be interesting to see how he deals with Ricks decision.
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Re: The Walking Dead, tv series

Unread postby justmebd » Tue Nov 12, 2013 9:01 pm

Carl the maturing bad-ass zombie killer is by far the most interesting character on the show right now.

This is his life. He's so young that his life before the zombies becomes increasingly meaningless. It's a fascinating character arc that's not really been explored in the TV medium, even in genre shoes.

I'm not saying we've never seen these kinds of characters before, but Carl is the "first" one to be a series regular and that we see grow from a frightened kid into a stone cold killer because of his environment.

If I'm wrong, let me know. I just can't think of any regular series character like this off of the top of my head.
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Re: The Walking Dead, tv series

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Wed Nov 13, 2013 12:03 am

It's just such a great show. Humans becoming an endangered species, the breakdown of society and the idea that you have no idea who you can trust, as we have seen humans can be just as dangerous as the walkers. Emotions and relationships take a backseat to just trying to survive. Sure it's a zombie show, but you can empathize with these characters, and their development is as good as any show I can remember.

Carl has been through hell. His lack of action led to the death of one the most moral characters in the show and he had to kill his own mother. They've tried so hard to build a life for themselves at the prison only to see it turn into a nightmare with the death flu that spreads and kills quickly.
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Re: The Walking Dead, tv series

Unread postby Larvell Blanks » Wed Nov 13, 2013 8:53 am

justmebd wrote:Carl the maturing bad-ass zombie killer is by far the most interesting character on the show right now.

This is his life. He's so young that his life before the zombies becomes increasingly meaningless. It's a fascinating character arc that's not really been explored in the TV medium, even in genre shoes.

I'm not saying we've never seen these kinds of characters before, but Carl is the "first" one to be a series regular and that we see grow from a frightened kid into a stone cold killer because of his environment.

If I'm wrong, let me know. I just can't think of any regular series character like this off of the top of my head.




Only other character arc that is similar is Michael in season 4/5 of The Wire. Once he became a part of Marlo's gang and started taking people out, he forgot any/everything about his former life. As evidence, his talk w/ Dukie while dropping him off and Duke remenices about a couple things they did. Mike says he can't remember. Carl seems to be gping down the same path as the months/years move forward. Anything that was good/innocent will/has been erased from his mind
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Re: The Walking Dead, tv series

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Wed Nov 13, 2013 4:00 pm

Ugh....There's so much Carl stuff I want to say, but I can't because it might be a spoiler. The show is already really damn different from the comics, but I don't want to risk it. (I hate spoilers myself, so....)

I also expect Carroll to return at some point, but Rick made the right call and probably saved her life from the hulking and brooding Tyreese. There's no way he could hide the killings from the group, and as Maggie said, most probably wouldn't want her there.

Few more weeks of shows before they probably have the stupid ass "Mid-season finale". If it's mid-season, it's not exactly a finale, is it, AMC?
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Re: The Walking Dead, tv series

Unread postby motherscratcher » Wed Nov 13, 2013 4:07 pm

But what the hell is Daryl going to do when he finds out? I think it was the wrong call to send her away. Fuck Tyresse. It's the zombie apocalypse. Dude should have been made to accept an apology/explanation and move on...or out if that's his choice.

But Carol is OG. Bad call Rick.
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Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Wed Nov 13, 2013 4:34 pm

You completely lack understanding of the gravity of the situation. Carroll killed 2 people who were sick, but as we have seen, not everyone dies from the infection. It goes beyond Daryl and Ty, how would Herschel, Carl, Glenn, Sasha, Michonne, and the others feel about her making those choices on her own? Especially those who are sick.... It was murder.

IMO she accepted Rick's choice, she knows the way back and went on her own.

My guess is Daryl is going to want to go after her, but circumstances will dictate that he stay. Plus I believe Rick will be able to talk him down. If it had been Carroll stabbed and burnt instead of Karen and Dave. Would he feel any different than Ty?

OG has nothing to do with it. There is no OG it's just "us".
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Unread postby motherscratcher » Wed Nov 13, 2013 5:00 pm

You completely lack understanding of the gravity of farts, dumbass.

Yeah, it was murder, but that flu kills everyone. Who survived that? Nobody. Maybe a few now that they are back with the meds, but those two that Caroll killed were goners. Done. Your right, he should NOT have done it. It was a terrible stupid choice, especially to make by herself, but it wasn't malicious. And the end result is the same.

What if it had worked?
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Re: The Walking Dead, tv series

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Wed Nov 13, 2013 5:22 pm

Lizzie has survived and has shown none of the deadly effects of the virus despite being only a child. Herschel, an old man, is not sick despite being constantly exposed to the virus, which infects quickly. So it obviously doesn't kill everyone.

She had no right to make that choice on her own, that's the whole point of the council they established, to make decisions on events like this.

You never addressed how the rest of the group would react to her actions. Maggie has already stated her opinion, and she sided with Rick. She should have waited for the group returning with the meds before taking drastic action, and if they turned before, then she would have reason to kill them.

And it didn't work, did it? They still have a cell block full of the flu victims.
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Unread postby motherscratcher » Wed Nov 13, 2013 5:40 pm

Lizzie and Hershel are immaterial. They seem to somehow be immune. But the people who have been infected have, as far as I can tell, all died. Or were well on their way to dying unless the meds can reverse it. What Carol was obviously trying to do was contain the problem before it became a full blown outbreak. It didn't work. And I agree she had no right to, and shouldn't have made that call unilaterally. And I have no doubt the council would NOT have vote to kill those two. But I'm not sure that in the midst of a zombie apocalypse what Carol did, while misguided, isn't at least understandable in some small way.

And my recollection is that Carol offed those two before anyone went out looking for meds. There is absolutely no way they were getting back in time to save them.

If Carol should be banished by acting unilaterally instead of taking her concerns to the council, why is it OK for Rick to decide her fate as opposed to the council. How the others would react is anyone's guess.
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Re: The Walking Dead, tv series

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Wed Nov 13, 2013 5:58 pm

Her presence at the prison would have caused nothing but consternation for the rest of the group. She was either going to be killed by Ty, or forced to leave. Plus she asked Rick to keep it a secret, which, IMO made up his mind for him. A secret like that can destroy the group from within. People were going to want to know who the killer was.

Rick saved her life. The people at the prison may not have been so generous as to give her supplies and a car.
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Re: The Walking Dead, tv series

Unread postby motherscratcher » Wed Nov 13, 2013 6:15 pm

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:Her presence at the prison would have caused nothing but consternation for the rest of the group. She was either going to be killed by Ty, or forced to leave. Plus she asked Rick to keep it a secret, which, IMO made up his mind for him. A secret like that can destroy the group from within. People were going to want to know who the killer was.

Rick saved her life. The people at the prison may not have been so generous as to give her supplies and a car.


Eh, you're right. I can't really argue with any of that. It's bullshit, though. I'd have given her a pass.

She made her own bed. Played it wrong. She should have killed them and then said they were already dead and suggested burning the bodies. Them dying is certainly possible. That little bespectacled fuck that started it all got sick, died and turned all in one night. And it's not like you have all sorts of time before they turn. Have to nip that shit in the bud.
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Re: The Walking Dead, tv series

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:54 pm

Well it would be kinda hard to play off them dying from the illness when they had knife wounds to their brain stems. Now if she had smothered them, it might have worked since it could have looked like they choked on their own blood.
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Re: The Walking Dead, tv series

Unread postby motherscratcher » Wed Nov 13, 2013 9:14 pm

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:Well it would be kinda hard to play off them dying from the illness when they had knife wounds to their brain stems. Now if she had smothered them, it might have worked since it could have looked like they choked on their own blood.


No, what I'm saying is that once they die, you only have do long to put them down before they turn. She could have played it off like they were already gone and she did what was necessary.
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Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Wed Nov 13, 2013 9:53 pm

O I C. Fair point.
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