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Unread postby furls » Sat Oct 19, 2013 4:01 pm

Got to the boards a little late and didn't see a thread started so I figured what the heck.

It appears Kirk Ferentz has seen game film and has determined that whoever our LBs are supposed to cover will be open ALL DAY LONG. Meyer, for all his gamefilm study has apparently decided to go right at the heart of this Iowa defense.

They are moving the ball against the front 7, but seems that the Buckeyes should be able to have success down the field.
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Re: Iowa Game Thread

Unread postby fairvis » Sat Oct 19, 2013 4:12 pm

That is such a bullshit call. Shoulder right to the center of the chest. Fuck this "defenseless" stuff, that's a football play.
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Re: Iowa Game Thread

Unread postby furls » Sat Oct 19, 2013 4:18 pm

That was about as clear a case of targetting as I have seen.

YOU CANNOT HIT PLAYERS ABOVE THE SHOULDERS, PARTICULARLY PLAYERS THAT ARE NOT LOOKING AT YOU.

If you form tackle, the rule does NOT affect you unless the offense player lowers their head. That hit is about 50% of what is wrong with this team, how many long receptions has Roby (and others) given up by doing that? Those hits single handedly kept scUM in the game last year.
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Re: Iowa Game Thread

Unread postby fairvis » Sat Oct 19, 2013 4:23 pm

Well, then I hate the targeting rule. At least the D held them to a FG afterwards. Now we got to get into the end zone.
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Unread postby Squints » Sat Oct 19, 2013 4:24 pm

Yep. Rule was made for plays like that. What's wrong wrong with wrapping up and making a tackle there Roby? Doesn't know the rules, draft status plummeting. Did you notice Iowa went three plays and FG after his ejection? Just stating facts.
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Re: Iowa Game Thread

Unread postby fairvis » Sat Oct 19, 2013 4:24 pm

Well, they certainly bit on the Dontre play action there.
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Re: Iowa Game Thread

Unread postby fairvis » Sat Oct 19, 2013 4:45 pm

What the hell is going on with our front 7 right now?
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Re: Iowa Game Thread

Unread postby furls » Sat Oct 19, 2013 5:01 pm

Holy shit that was FUCKING RETARDED at all levels.

Roughing the kicker and they didn't call time?
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Re: Iowa Game Thread

Unread postby furls » Sat Oct 19, 2013 5:02 pm

How the fuck do you NOT call that time out?
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Re: Iowa Game Thread

Unread postby furls » Sat Oct 19, 2013 5:04 pm

Front 4 is playing decently, middle 3 has been an absolute abomination. There is no scrape, no contain and obviously no pass coverage.

FUCKING awful. I think Fickel should be fired for the play of the LBs not necessarily the overall defense. Even with Pitt Brown in the game, Roby out, Bryant out... the Secondary is NOT the worst part of the D.

HOLY FUCKING SHIT the back 7 is a SHIT SHOW.
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Re: Iowa Game Thread

Unread postby furls » Sat Oct 19, 2013 5:05 pm

BoB and his ability to use the TEs could really embarrass this team.
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Re: Iowa Game Thread

Unread postby jb » Sat Oct 19, 2013 5:18 pm

Well they may or may not pull this one out but call me a troll again.

This is just not an elite team at all. Defense just not any good.

Good to see that big NU win validated today. Uh never mind..
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Re: Iowa Game Thread

Unread postby jb » Sat Oct 19, 2013 5:28 pm

Ryde Hyde & pray the front 4 can get it done.

This back 7 makes me pine for Pellini & the Sullivans.
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Re: Iowa Game Thread

Unread postby furls » Sat Oct 19, 2013 5:33 pm

The back 7 is AWFUL.
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Re: Iowa Game Thread

Unread postby furls » Sat Oct 19, 2013 5:34 pm

I didn't call you a troll. I have never stated that this defense is even decent. I think Shazier is pretty good, probably not an AA, but pretty good. Grant and Barnett have been decent. The other 4 are worthless.
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Re: Iowa Game Thread

Unread postby furls » Sat Oct 19, 2013 5:36 pm

Apparently the flawless gameplan against this defense is to soft toss the ball to your TEs to make sure they catch it as long as they are short of the safeties.

You don't even have to pick on a specific player, you just have to throw to an area of the field 5 yards past the LOS. It is probably going to be a 10 yard gain instead of an 8 yard gain if you run the safeties off by running something vertical with the WRs.
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Re: Iowa Game Thread

Unread postby fairvis » Sat Oct 19, 2013 5:38 pm

Shazier isn't great in coverage. Grant is awful in coverage. Josh Perry is on the order of rudderless suck. Combined with an ole-hitting secondary that doesn't press, these middles routes will be open all day.
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Re: Iowa Game Thread

Unread postby jb » Sat Oct 19, 2013 5:42 pm

furls wrote:I didn't call you a troll. I have never stated that this defense is even decent. I think Shazier is pretty good, probably not an AA, but pretty good. Grant and Barnett have been decent. The other 4 are worthless.



No, that was for Peeker & Eye.

Individual performance always varries but as a unit Meh.
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Re: Iowa Game Thread

Unread postby jb » Sat Oct 19, 2013 5:52 pm

On bright side Miller is looking healthier. Getting that cutting ability back.
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Re: Iowa Game Thread

Unread postby FUDU » Sat Oct 19, 2013 5:54 pm

I know it's not hip to slide in college ball, but start the trend Brax, or at least go down on your own accord when it's obvious you have nowhere to go and the risk of an injury or a fumble becomes high.
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Re: Iowa Game Thread

Unread postby FUDU » Sat Oct 19, 2013 5:56 pm

The best defense is your offense smacking the other defense across the face.
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Re: Iowa Game Thread

Unread postby fairvis » Sat Oct 19, 2013 5:57 pm

Very nice screen to Smith. Fields had a hell of a block on that play, and was the first player Braxton actually got to in the end zone.

Could be Braxton's best day throwing. 17/19 for 189 yards and 2 TDs. Can't do much better then that.
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Re: Iowa Game Thread

Unread postby FUDU » Sat Oct 19, 2013 5:59 pm

LOL, a TE out ran our entire D.
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Re: Iowa Game Thread

Unread postby furls » Sat Oct 19, 2013 6:02 pm

an Iowa TE is faster than Armani Reeves? Holy shit? Noah Spence and Armani Reeves in coverage? FUCK. If Armani Reeves does not have the closing speed to catch a TE we are totally fucked against any decent team.
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Re: Iowa Game Thread

Unread postby furls » Sat Oct 19, 2013 6:03 pm

By the way, that right there is why I hate zone blitzes... Spence owns that one. He never even touched the TE, by the time Reeves' slow ass could react the play was past him.
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Re: Iowa Game Thread

Unread postby FUDU » Sat Oct 19, 2013 6:05 pm

furls wrote:an Iowa TE is faster than Armani Reeves? Holy shit? Noah Spence and Armani Reeves in coverage? FUCK. If Armani Reeves does not have the closing speed to catch a TE we are totally fucked against any decent team.


It is simple physics I guess, you give a 245lb guy a 15 yard running head start it is going to be hard to catch him even if you are a 190lb DB. Embarrassing still.
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Re: Iowa Game Thread

Unread postby furls » Sat Oct 19, 2013 6:11 pm

FUDU wrote:
furls wrote:an Iowa TE is faster than Armani Reeves? Holy shit? Noah Spence and Armani Reeves in coverage? FUCK. If Armani Reeves does not have the closing speed to catch a TE we are totally fucked against any decent team.


It is simple physics I guess, you give a 245lb guy a 15 yard running head start it is going to be hard to catch him even if you are a 190lb DB. Embarrassing still.


Ummmm... No. That is a gross conceptual error. His weight only applies to his inertia/momentum which does not actually dictate his velocity. Now his velocity does dictate his momentum as momentum = Mass*Velocity.

Actually a lighter CB should have a much greater acceleration for a given power. If he doesn't then we should just line up 245lb TEs on the boundary and the field side on defense.
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Re: Iowa Game Thread

Unread postby fairvis » Sat Oct 19, 2013 6:13 pm

Those were two of the most ridiculous runs I have ever seen.
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Unread postby FUDU » Sat Oct 19, 2013 6:13 pm

I was just speaking in terms of his head start, momentum.

Hell of a run by Brax, to bad he is often meh at following blockers.

Then Hyde, sheesh, nice Fn finish to that drive Buckeyes.
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Re: Iowa Game Thread

Unread postby furls » Sat Oct 19, 2013 6:15 pm

show me a better TD run by Buckeye than that one by Hyde. Holy Shit. That guy has improved every season. DAMN. That was some Eddie George shit right there.
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Re: Iowa Game Thread

Unread postby furls » Sat Oct 19, 2013 6:16 pm

I hope the Browns get him somehow in like the 4th round. He is the kind of guy that will plug away for a decade in the NFL. He aint gonna break a lot of 60 yarders, but he is still on an upward trajectory in development.
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Re: Iowa Game Thread

Unread postby FUDU » Sat Oct 19, 2013 6:20 pm

Does our defense create turnovers anymore?
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Re: Iowa Game Thread

Unread postby motherscratcher » Sat Oct 19, 2013 6:30 pm

Wait, I was led to believe that Hall is the home run hitter.
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Re: Iowa Game Thread

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Sat Oct 19, 2013 7:27 pm

jb wrote:
furls wrote:I didn't call you a troll. I have never stated that this defense is even decent. I think Shazier is pretty good, probably not an AA, but pretty good. Grant and Barnett have been decent. The other 4 are worthless.



No, that was for Peeker & Eye.

Individual performance always varries but as a unit Meh.


Declaring scUM and ND both superior after one week of CFB wasn't trolling?

No on has ever called this team elite. People have only said (hoped) the d would have some miracle turn around like last year. Unless that happens they sure as shit aren't elite.

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Re: Iowa Game Thread

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Sat Oct 19, 2013 7:51 pm

-Braxton Miller is back and looked great throwing and running. That 4&10 pass into double coverage that got knocked away was a thing of beauty.

-Carlos Hyde is an absolute beast and I hope his draft stock is skyrocketing. Had a great view of that run and dive. He demoralizes entire defenses, they get tired of tackling him. I saw this happen.

-Jordan Hall appeared to trip over grass... twice.

-The O-line was really solid again, to not get holding calls on all those Braxton broken plays, great job.

-The Roby call was absolute horseshit, he didn't even hit his head or neck. He hit him in the chest with his shoulder. There is no defense for making that call and tossing him. If you want to hit him with the still BS "defenseless receiver" call, I'd still be pissed but i'd expect it. Next time Roby will go low and blow out some guy's knee, but the NCAA would be fine with that.

-I'm not sure the DBs understand basic concepts of coverage. They were awful as was much of the defense. The D-line pla was sub par based on what we have seen.

-Armanni Reeves might still be chasing that TE. Spence could have at least chipped him.

-I HATE the cushions the DBs give, especially against a WR corps like Iowa.

All in all it was a really fun game to be at. The swings between tension, hair pulling anger, and stranger hugging joy. Too bad the weather sucked. But that feels right for an Iowa/OSU game in late October.
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Re: Iowa Game Thread

Unread postby FUDU » Sat Oct 19, 2013 7:57 pm

There was helmet to helmet contact on the Roby play, that should have been the call, at worst. No way one can say that was "targeting" and then eject him. IMO what got that call made was his mini celebration after the hit, IIRC flag came in after his antics and they decided he was out to get the WR.

Hyde is quickly moving up the draft board, 3rd round.
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Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Sat Oct 19, 2013 8:00 pm

Meaning the helmets touched and nothing more. That was not where the point of impact was, it was in the chest.
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Unread postby FUDU » Sat Oct 19, 2013 8:08 pm

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:Meaning the helmets touched and nothing more. That was not where the point of impact was, it was in the chest.

Agreed, but we both know that isn't where they always focus, they see helmets touch they skip a heartbeat.

Gotta love the whacked out logic in this attempt to fundamentally change the game of football. You teach defenders to be relentless, be a killer and become an immovable object, but then say ah ah ah no touchy. Reminds me of Pacino in Devil's Advocate, touch but don't taste, taste but don't swallow etc.
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Unread postby furls » Sat Oct 19, 2013 8:11 pm

CDT, it is the nature of the beast in today's concussion concerned football universe. Hit low, blow out some knees, but for God's sake, don't make a guy shit in a bag at the age 37 vice 57. The rules are clear, and he violated them. It is Roby's own stupid fault, maybe now he will start tackling people. I loved when ABC showed the replay of his sideline hit, that went unflagged, that was actually worse.

Jordan Hall is so exceptionally not good (or bad) that every time he touches the ball I have to fight the urge not to change the channel.

I agree about the DBs. Every replay they show, the secondary looks confused about who has what zone or guy. Something is wrong with Withers, Fickel and Coombs. I am not calling for jobs (yet) just sayin that it is clear that no one knows how to cover anyone or where they are supposed to be and it is not getting any better. I don't really know who to blame, but the problem is so bad that someone needs to be blamed. I will say, I am becoming less and less a Fickel supporter with every season and every game. He is supposed to be coaching LBs and they are NOT improving. I am not giving Coombs a pass either as I am not seeing anything from Roby or Reeves, although Grant is arguably the most improved defensive player.

I hate zone blitzes when it causes guys that are not good in coverage to drop into coverage. Spence is not good in coverage.

The cushions are just obnoxious. I am tired of even complaining about it.
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Re: Iowa Game Thread

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Sat Oct 19, 2013 8:22 pm

CDT, it is the nature of the beast in today's concussion concerned football universe. Hit low, blow out some knees, but for God's sake, don't make a guy shit in a bag at the age 37 vice 57. The rules are clear, and he violated them. It is Roby's own stupid fault, maybe now he will start tackling people


Bullshit. He didn't "target" anything other than the guy who caught the ball..... in the chest. The rules sure as shit are not clear. If he had targeted his head, they would have to take him out on a goddamn stretcher. And he tackled the shit out of him, so much he lost his mouthpiece. There was no time for him to form tackle him.

It was a great play and hit.
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Re: Iowa Game Thread

Unread postby FUDU » Sat Oct 19, 2013 10:38 pm

FSU's Winston is quickly raising the bar. Kid has been nothing but impressive all the way through. Can't see how he wouldn't shred us like a block of cheese.
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Unread postby FUDU » Sat Oct 19, 2013 10:41 pm

During FSU halftime update they said back up RB Hyde had a good game, back up? Pay attention clowns it doesn't cost much.
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Re: Iowa Game Thread

Unread postby furls » Sun Oct 20, 2013 6:47 am

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CDT, it is the nature of the beast in today's concussion concerned football universe. Hit low, blow out some knees, but for God's sake, don't make a guy shit in a bag at the age 37 vice 57. The rules are clear, and he violated them. It is Roby's own stupid fault, maybe now he will start tackling people


Bullshit. He didn't "target" anything other than the guy who caught the ball..... in the chest. The rules sure as shit are not clear. If he had targeted his head, they would have to take him out on a goddamn stretcher. And he tackled the shit out of him, so much he lost his mouthpiece. There was no time for him to form tackle him.

It was a great play and hit.


I've seen the play 16 times. He hit a defenseless player above the letters. Kids are taught from pee-wee league to "see what you hit." If you do what you don't lead with the crown. That was Roby's second hit like that in the first 5 minutes of the game. It was not a great play. It cost OSU 15 yards, put Armani Reeves on the field and caused Pitt Brown to play more. There is nothing good about that.

That is the same hit "form" that has caused Roby to give several big plays this year.

You may not like the rule, but it is the rule. I know it, Meyer knows it, Coombs knows it and Roby should know it.
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Re: Iowa Game Thread

Unread postby jb » Sun Oct 20, 2013 10:20 am

FUDU wrote:
furls wrote:an Iowa TE is faster than Armani Reeves? Holy shit? Noah Spence and Armani Reeves in coverage? FUCK. If Armani Reeves does not have the closing speed to catch a TE we are totally fucked against any decent team.


It is simple physics I guess, you give a 245lb guy a 15 yard running head start it is going to be hard to catch him even if you are a 190lb DB. Embarrassing still.


^^^^^^

St Ed's edumacshun at work right there.

Can't play FB worth a dam neither.
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Re: Iowa Game Thread

Unread postby FUDU » Sun Oct 20, 2013 12:11 pm

jb wrote:
FUDU wrote:
furls wrote:an Iowa TE is faster than Armani Reeves? Holy shit? Noah Spence and Armani Reeves in coverage? FUCK. If Armani Reeves does not have the closing speed to catch a TE we are totally fucked against any decent team.


It is simple physics I guess, you give a 245lb guy a 15 yard running head start it is going to be hard to catch him even if you are a 190lb DB. Embarrassing still.


^^^^^^

St Ed's edumacshun at work right there.

Can't play FB worth a dam neither.


Says the Iggy grad.

No excuses from me, those kids looked like garbage last night, against a very meh Iggy team. You know how this works, there's a good chance they'll play again before it's over.
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Re: Iowa Game Thread

Unread postby jb » Sun Oct 20, 2013 6:58 pm

Say Mr Simple Physics of 2 human beings running a race. Moron.

Ed's is overrated and Ignatius got healthy & has played a national class schedule.

Next game won't be that different. Another close game. Like the Athenians said before Marathon Free Men will always outfight mercenaries.
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Re: Iowa Game Thread

Unread postby FUDU » Sun Oct 20, 2013 7:08 pm

jb wrote:Say Mr Simple Physics of 2 human beings running a race. Moron.

Ed's is overrated and Ignatius got healthy & has played a national class schedule.

Next game won't be that different. Another close game. Like the Athenians said before Marathon Free Men will always outfight mercenaries.


Really? Learn how to dechipher a point, I was mocking the OSU DBs with that little momentum EG.

Ed's has played as tough a schedule as Iggy minus a game. Every single expert had Eds winning that game going in, with relative ease so to speak. Grab another bag of Werthers Originals and chill.
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Re: Iowa Game Thread

Unread postby peeker643 » Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:22 am

jb wrote:
furls wrote:I didn't call you a troll. I have never stated that this defense is even decent. I think Shazier is pretty good, probably not an AA, but pretty good. Grant and Barnett have been decent. The other 4 are worthless.



No, that was for Peeker & Eye.

Individual performance always varries but as a unit Meh.


Waaah.

So if I mention again the Brandon Weeden shitshow is that fact based or trolling?

You were trolling. I know how it works. It's easy money here.

No one's arguing they aren't elite. Point being no one else appears to be either.

Summary:

Iggy > Eds

JB was trolling

Roby was targeting.

All are obvious.
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Re: Iowa Game Thread

Unread postby googleeph2 » Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:41 am

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/pub ... uls+review

Can someone find the targeting rule language? I found this. (Some NCAA releases just mention hitting above the shoulders. This one mentions that, plus leading with the crown of the helmet.) Roby should have been flagged for the sideline hit, but that is off topic (as is the fact that the TE who spit the bit outweighed him by a bunch. And as is the fact that Roby needs to frickin learn to wrap up, in general). As CDT says, it was a football play. Hit the guy in the chest with his shoulder.

I would have let this go if OSU had lost- would have been mocked as sore loser whining.

Since they won, I'm gonna whine. That was a bullshit call. Cannot believe it was upheld on replay. Why bother.

ETA: Peeker, I believe the Roby hit was very similar to the TJ Ward hit in your avatar. Taking the physical nature out of football is just a pet peeve. Even on offense (in the NFL), a RB cannot lead with his helmet any more.
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Re: Iowa Game Thread

Unread postby jb » Mon Oct 21, 2013 1:40 pm

peeker643 wrote:
jb wrote:
furls wrote:I didn't call you a troll. I have never stated that this defense is even decent. I think Shazier is pretty good, probably not an AA, but pretty good. Grant and Barnett have been decent. The other 4 are worthless.



No, that was for Peeker & Eye.

Individual performance always varries but as a unit Meh.


Waaah.

So if I mention again the Brandon Weeden shitshow is that fact based or trolling?

You were trolling. I know how it works. It's easy money here.

No one's arguing they aren't elite. Point being no one else appears to be either.

Summary:

Iggy > Eds

JB was trolling

Roby was targeting.

All are obvious.



Peeker - the Buckeye's offense is top 10 and almost elite IF Miller is healthy and running.

The D is just flat out mediocre.

CFB is rounding out nicely. It's bama, Oreygun and FSU. All else shove off into mediocrity.
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