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by skatingtripods » Tue Sep 24, 2013 9:12 am
by WiscTribeFan » Tue Sep 24, 2013 11:42 am
by peeker643 » Tue Sep 24, 2013 12:01 pm
WiscTribeFan wrote:Do we invest, however, in that project to the tune of 3-4 years at $12-14M per? Big bet.
by skatingtripods » Tue Sep 24, 2013 12:26 pm
by peeker643 » Tue Sep 24, 2013 12:34 pm
skatingtripods wrote:There are a lot of dynamics in play with Ubaldo. For one thing, the Indians could have given up on him time and time again and they didn't. Ubaldo seems like he's an emotional guy and I think he has a lot of love and respect for the Indians for not giving up on him.For another, does Jimenez put his relationship with Callaway in front of money? Callaway fixed him and potentially saved his career. Jimenez would have gotten work somewhere, but he was that bad that he'd have been a mid-season DFA contender with his new team if he didn't get it fixed. If Jimenez leaves Callaway, there's no guarantee that he has success. He knows what was wrong now and his new pitching coach would be able to look at things to compare/contrast when he falters, but I would think Jimenez holds Callaway in high regard, and rightfully so.Indians have a couple options. They can offer 3 years under the free agent market price and hope Jimenez signs based on loyalty. They can try to talk Jimenez into accepting the mutual option, which won't happen. They can extend a qualifying offer, which I believe is 14M for next season, and if he declines, they'll get compensation.I don't know what I'd do. The Indians don't have any starters beating down the door to come up. Odds are, over a 3-yr deal, Jimenez is a good #3, an average or below #2, depending on how much of this sticks. Between expiring contracts and raises, the Indians' 2014 payroll is around 80M without Jimenez or any FAs. I don't know if 90+ is feasible.I'm torn. I want to say extend the qualifying offer and if he gets a multi-year deal, let him go. But, when you look at the FA market, depending what Ubaldo you get, he's the most attractive option out there and the Indians will have to do something with starting pitchers this winter.Very hard decision. The Indians won't go longer than three years with a SP, that's their MO. The last one was Westbrook and that blew up. The team likely wants to talk extensions with Masterson, Kipnis, and possibly Brantley this winter as well. Jimenez just may not fit.
by WiscTribeFan » Tue Sep 24, 2013 1:14 pm
peeker643 wrote:No offense, but if life and baseball and pretty much 99% of all free agent decisions have taught me anything, it's that emotion, loyalty and pitching coaches place a distant 2nd, 3rd and 4th to #1: money.He never got what he wanted in terms of cash from his Colorado/Cleveland days and he's going to maximize his haul after this season. If the Indians want him, that one year tender at $14million is about the best option. Hell, I'd say it's the only option if he finishes the season strong and if they advance in the playoffs in part because he continues it there.I'd honestly feel more confident giving Kazmir 3 years and $21-$24mm
by skatingtripods » Tue Sep 24, 2013 3:11 pm
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