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Re: The Brian Hoyer Era Starts Sunday

Unread postby pod2dawg » Sun Sep 22, 2013 4:32 pm

Any way we can pry Ponder from the Vikes?

Good job today Browns...well except the secondary....and run blocking.
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Re: The Brian Hoyer Era Starts Sunday

Unread postby FUDU » Sun Sep 22, 2013 4:32 pm

Meanwhile TRich hits a gaping hole at full speed for the 1 yd TD run. LOL.

Here it comes...
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Re: The Brian Hoyer Era Starts Sunday

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill 2.0 » Sun Sep 22, 2013 4:32 pm

jb wrote:While today makes me happy the Ginger Era comes to a close I await the onslaught of the Hoyer is the answer posts.

My money is on Spin.

They can't even lose right.

Hoyer has just enuff to be a threat to the tank.

The Bald Bazooka.


Nah..... career day for the skin head today

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Re: The Brian Hoyer Era Starts Sunday

Unread postby Triple-S » Sun Sep 22, 2013 4:33 pm

jb wrote:While today makes me happy the Ginger Era comes to a close I await the onslaught of the Hoyer is the answer posts.


He's not.

But he intrigues me in regards to wanting to see more.
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Re: The Brian Hoyer Era Starts Sunday

Unread postby Spin » Sun Sep 22, 2013 4:39 pm

jb wrote:
Spin wrote:Go teach your college how to score a fuckin point.



I can't even explain reality to u with that UA education.

C'mon Kramer to Rashaad...


Oh I understand that mentality, it's what's kept the Cavaliers in Cleveland.

I just never heard or saw any indication the team is tanking this year. Your argument is with the professionals still trying to win games.Image
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Re: The Brian Hoyer Era Starts Sunday

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Sun Sep 22, 2013 4:40 pm

Feh, when the Borwns take Kenny Guiton at #2 overall next year eryone's prayers will be answered.
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Re: The Brian Hoyer Era Starts Sunday

Unread postby FUDU » Sun Sep 22, 2013 4:42 pm

Fire Marshall Bill 2.0 wrote:
jb wrote:While today makes me happy the Ginger Era comes to a close I await the onslaught of the Hoyer is the answer posts.

My money is on Spin.

They can't even lose right.

Hoyer has just enuff to be a threat to the tank.

The Bald Bazooka.


Nah..... career day for the skin head today

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Yeah, just shows you how easy it is to toss for 300 yards in an NFL game.
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Re: The Brian Hoyer Era Starts Sunday

Unread postby FUDU » Sun Sep 22, 2013 4:44 pm

LOL, Colts don't even hand TRich ball on 3rd & 2.
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Re: The Brian Hoyer Era Starts Sunday

Unread postby Toxicadam » Sun Sep 22, 2013 4:45 pm

Maybe we should learn to accept that we are not in the lowest tier of suck. We have a shack built on the edge of that neighborhood, but we are not residents.
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Re: The Brian Hoyer Era Starts Sunday

Unread postby jb » Sun Sep 22, 2013 4:48 pm

Spin wrote:
jb wrote:
Spin wrote:Go teach your college how to score a fuckin point.



I can't even explain reality to u with that UA education.

C'mon Kramer to Rashaad...


Oh I understand that mentality, it's what's kept the Cavaliers in Cleveland.

I just never heard or saw any indication the team is tanking this year. Your argument is with the professionals still trying to win games.Image



Of course the players are trying to win, Einsteen.

I saw Major League.

Doesn't mean I'm dumb enuff to be happy about it or get excited by Brady Quinn in the snow.

Every 13 version of a meaningless Mangini win is bad.

I do like FMBs optimism.
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Re: The Brian Hoyer Era Starts Sunday

Unread postby jb » Sun Sep 22, 2013 4:52 pm

Toxicadam wrote:Maybe we should learn to accept that we are not in the lowest tier of suck. We have a shack built on the edge of that neighborhood, but we are not residents.



Move this bitch to São Paulo.

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Re: The Brian Hoyer Era Starts Sunday

Unread postby FUDU » Sun Sep 22, 2013 4:53 pm

I hate to say it but being happy about the win today and wanting more wins this year is flat out stupid. Minus the home game against the inbred.

Happy for the home kid Hoyer though. Probably fulfilled a dream today.
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Re: The Brian Hoyer Era Starts Sunday

Unread postby HoodooMan » Sun Sep 22, 2013 4:56 pm

FUDU wrote:I hate to say it but being happy about the win today and wanting more wins this year is flat out stupid.


If it's the first win in a 7+ win season, it means culture change, and it's a good thing.

If it's the difference between a 4 and 5 win season, well...

Either way, if the QB class is as deep as we hope it is, it might not matter.
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Re: The Brian Hoyer Era Starts Sunday

Unread postby FUDU » Sun Sep 22, 2013 5:03 pm

HoodooMan wrote:
FUDU wrote:I hate to say it but being happy about the win today and wanting more wins this year is flat out stupid.


If it's the first win in a 7+ win season, it means culture change, and it's a good thing.

If it's the difference between a 4 and 5 win season, well...

Either way, if the QB class is as deep as we hope it is, it might not matter.


Yep.

But we all know it's not the former.
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Re: The Brian Hoyer Era Starts Sunday

Unread postby leadpipe » Sun Sep 22, 2013 5:08 pm

The new Browns quarterback depth chart is out:

1. Brian Hoyer

2. Jason Campbell

3. Spencer Lanning

4. Brandon Weeden

Look, I have no illusions that Brian Hoyer is the answer, but I'll say this - Chud and Norv are gonna go with the guy that's on time and makes quick decisions. They'll sort the shit from there. Shocked. I'd be shocked if Weeden starts here ever again.

What was funny about today was the Vikings running the mirror of a Brandon Weeden lead team. Christ, if Ponder coulda been on time they'da scored 2-3 more touchdowns in the first half.

If you are slow, and can't really think, you have zero chance. Hoyer's whatever small % trumps zero.

As far as rooting for losses....not sure how in holy hell they'd wind up worse than J'Ville or Oakland no matter what happens, so there would be some problems anyway. Sorting thru a few more teams....I assume they understood this, and is a reason they have the draft picks. Also, HooDoo hits on a point - this regime - and the players buying into this regime...beating them down with 14 losses ain't gonna help. A few nice wins, being competitve....depending on how things shake out, the 9th pick in the draft with some light at the end of the tunnell may be more valuable than the thied pick and 13-14 losses.
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Re: The Brian Hoyer Era Starts Sunday

Unread postby pod2dawg » Sun Sep 22, 2013 5:25 pm

Boys, the Browns showed "life" today. We looked like a Pro Football Team. We all know what we got and what we don't got. But I feel much better about our coaching now. We had a clue. I'm wearing my Browns jacket ( always do anyway) with a little "hop" in my step.

Only 17 pre-season games left....
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Re: The Brian Hoyer Era Starts Sunday

Unread postby motherscratcher » Sun Sep 22, 2013 5:38 pm

I just finished the game and...What.The. Fuck? I can't believe this. There is literally nothing that this eternally fucked franchise can do right.

It was like watching the Browns in purple jerseys.

1-15 should still be enough to get it done. Heads better be rolling in Berea as we speak.

I expect next weeks injury report to be long and distinguished. Like my Johnson.
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Re: The Brian Hoyer Era Starts Sunday

Unread postby Spin » Sun Sep 22, 2013 5:38 pm

HoodooMan wrote:
FUDU wrote:I hate to say it but being happy about the win today and wanting more wins this year is flat out stupid.


If it's the first win in a 7+ win season, it means culture change, and it's a good thing.

If it's the difference between a 4 and 5 win season, well...

Either way, if the QB class is as deep as we hope it is, it might not matter.


Exactly. This isn't the NBA, hell a lot of legendary QB's weren't even drafted in the first round. The Cavs strategy doesn't translate well to the NFL.

And for those afraid we will win "too many" games, we have a stockpile of picks we can use to trade up. You just gotta close the deal, unlike Walrus.

Did anyone even miss Richardson?
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Re: The Brian Hoyer Era Starts Sunday

Unread postby Triple-S » Sun Sep 22, 2013 6:00 pm

The talent on this team isn't as devoid as Jacksonville, and Oakland.

That much is true. They have a defense, and a few decent offensive players (Cameron, Gordon).

Plus I'm convinced the coaching staff isn't as bad as those other teams, so you have to toss that in as well.(benefit of the doubt be damned. )

It needs one thing, and the frustrating part is they're not bad enough to get that one thing.

Jacksonville, Oakland, Minnesota, Pittsburgh, are bad teams.

The Browns are an "okay" team that doesn't get QB play.
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Re: The Brian Hoyer Era Starts Sunday

Unread postby Madre Hill, Superstar » Sun Sep 22, 2013 6:22 pm

That wasn't the same old Browns. Four passing TDs? A come from behind win?

Someone convince me culture changing over tanking is a bad thing.
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Re: The Brian Hoyer Era Starts Sunday

Unread postby Hikohadon » Sun Sep 22, 2013 8:12 pm

Their D is too competent for them to out-suck JAX for sure, and prob a couple others. We should resign ourselves to the 2nd or 3rd best QB in the draft, and he better be as good or better a passer as a runner bc despite the warnings, the revolution will probably be more of a brief riot.
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Re: The Brian Hoyer Era Starts Sunday

Unread postby Hikohadon » Sun Sep 22, 2013 8:39 pm

I think the Steelers could get in that top 5 mix. If Clowney is gone, do they consider a QB?
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Re: The Brian Hoyer Era Starts Sunday

Unread postby HoodooMan » Sun Sep 22, 2013 8:40 pm

So OSU fans, how good is Bradley Roby?

Because this defense might be one good corner away from being really, really good.
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Re: The Brian Hoyer Era Starts Sunday

Unread postby FUDU » Sun Sep 22, 2013 9:01 pm

HoodooMan wrote:So OSU fans, how good is Bradley Roby?

Because this defense might be one good corner away from being really, really good.


If Georgia could have went undefeated you could have found out.

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Re: The Brian Hoyer Era Starts Sunday

Unread postby Madre Hill, Superstar » Sun Sep 22, 2013 9:01 pm

Hikohadon wrote:I think the Steelers could get in that top 5 mix. If Clowney is gone, do they consider a QB?


Also, would they take a trade up offer from the Browns?
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Re: The Brian Hoyer Era Starts Sunday

Unread postby HoodooMan » Sun Sep 22, 2013 9:11 pm

FUDU wrote:
HoodooMan wrote:So OSU fans, how good is Bradley Roby?

Because this defense might be one good corner away from being really, really good.


If Georgia could have went undefeated you could have found out.

:thumb up:


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Re: The Brian Hoyer Era Starts Sunday

Unread postby FUDU » Sun Sep 22, 2013 9:15 pm

He's got talent, but he hasn't been overly impressive this year. Maybe he's complacent or pacing himself.
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Re: The Brian Hoyer Era Starts Sunday

Unread postby Hikohadon » Sun Sep 22, 2013 9:38 pm

Steeler fans booing their team... Beautiful.
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Re: The Brian Hoyer Era Starts Sunday

Unread postby leadpipe » Sun Sep 22, 2013 9:57 pm

Hikohadon wrote:Their D is too competent for them to out-suck JAX for sure, and prob a couple others. We should resign ourselves to the 2nd or 3rd best QB in the draft, and he better be as good or better a passer as a runner bc despite the warnings, the revolution will probably be more of a brief riot.


I don't think it's keeping up with a "revolution," just keeping up with a changing game.

Look, Aaron Rodgers is still the prototype - by far the best way to move the ball is the pass, but also being able to slow/escape the increased pressure teams bring each week.

Passer first, with some athletic ability. There will never be a revolution based on super athlete/poor passer.

On any SINGLE NFL play, your best chance for success is the dual threat QB, however, the NFL will not allow you to go an entire 16 games season this way without breaking you down.
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Re: The Brian Hoyer Era Starts Sunday

Unread postby Hikohadon » Sun Sep 22, 2013 10:14 pm

leadpipe wrote:
Hikohadon wrote:Their D is too competent for them to out-suck JAX for sure, and prob a couple others. We should resign ourselves to the 2nd or 3rd best QB in the draft, and he better be as good or better a passer as a runner bc despite the warnings, the revolution will probably be more of a brief riot.


I don't think it's keeping up with a "revolution," just keeping up with a changing game.

Look, Aaron Rodgers is still the prototype - by far the best way to move the ball is the pass, but also being able to slow/escape the increased pressure teams bring each week.

Passer first, with some athletic ability. There will never be a revolution based on super athlete/poor passer.

On any SINGLE NFL play, your best chance for success is the dual threat QB, however, the NFL will not allow you to go an entire 16 games season this way without breaking you down.


I would rather have a great passer who was also a running threat.

I would hope they were at least mobile enough to keep themselves alive, like a Rodgers.

But the RG3/Kaep level of running threat is more of a bonus for me than a requisite. The key to my QB is that you are can make the throws that Weeden throws well and the throws that Hoyer throws well and is a way better overall passer than either.

The only QB of the crop that's coming out that I've seen enough of to make a judgment is Manziel, and IMHO he just won't do.
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Re: The Brian Hoyer Era Starts Sunday

Unread postby justmebd » Mon Sep 23, 2013 7:58 am

Before we all get too "excited" over one win, remember a few things.

1. Let's see what Hoyer looks like after a few more weeks of tape on him are out there.
2. As bad as Jacksonville, Tampa Bay and a few other teams are, there still are 13 more games, as the Browns proved in 2009, anything can and will happen to torch your shot at the No. 1 overall pick.
3. Discussing QBs in the draft still is purely speculative. You gotta wait until Mid-November, and even then, one of these goofs may decide to stay in one more year for whatever dumb reason (Allergic to making money?). Manziel won't be that guy, but I see him as a dumber version of McCoy.

4. Unrelated: Steelers fans are so funny right now. I believe I saw some idiots on my wife's facebook calling for Rapistburger to be cut after the game. Hysterical!! Even my wife was muttering, "Thanks for throwing the game away, Ben!"
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Re: The Brian Hoyer Era Starts Sunday

Unread postby jb » Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:47 am

The false dichotomy of great runner / bad passer vs great passer / ok runner is funny to me.

Rogers was in warm ups when Kaep was playing in a SB & RG3 in the playoffs. Where will these guys be in year 8?

Maybe we could get a great passer AND super runner?
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Re: The Brian Hoyer Era Starts Sunday

Unread postby FUDU » Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:54 am

jb wrote:The false dichotomy of great runner / bad passer vs great passer / ok runner is funny to me.

Rogers was in warm ups when Kaep was playing in a SB & RG3 in the playoffs. Where will these guys be in year 8?

Maybe we could get a great passer AND super runner?


...and when saying runner we need to distinguish between a system that really only wants a guy improvising when things go wrong AND a system that ALLOWS a guy to run when he sees an opportunity or at least decide for himself (via the read option). Kaepernick yesterday was the perfect EG. He dropped back, within about 2.5 seconds he sees nobody is open, yet there was 15 yards of open field off the right side. He just tucked and ran, gained about 11. Didn't take a hit, and didn't have to throw the ball away wasting a down. 11 yards is 11 yards.
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Re: The Brian Hoyer Era Starts Sunday

Unread postby peeker643 » Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:00 am

FUDU wrote:
jb wrote:The false dichotomy of great runner / bad passer vs great passer / ok runner is funny to me.

Rogers was in warm ups when Kaep was playing in a SB & RG3 in the playoffs. Where will these guys be in year 8?

Maybe we could get a great passer AND super runner?


...and when saying runner we need to distinguish between a system that really only wants a guy improvising when things go wrong AND a system that ALLOWS a guy to run when he sees an opportunity or at least decide for himself (via the read option). Kaepernick yesterday was the perfect EG. He dropped back, within about 2.5 seconds he sees nobody is open, yet there was 15 yards of open field off the right side. He just tucked and ran, gained about 11. Didn't take a hit, and didn't have to throw the ball away wasting a down. 11 yards is 11 yards.


He was the perfect example yesterday.... if you're okay with having Taylor Martinez as your QB to pick up those tough 11 yards when the throw ain't there. And having the throw not be there all game.

Dude was 13/27 for 150 yards and an INT and on one of those nifty runs he put the ball on the ground and lost it.

Good teams are already dealing with the read-option. As always, better be far more thrower than a runner. Just that the days of being a statue in pocket are over (for now).
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Re: The Brian Hoyer Era Starts Sunday

Unread postby FUDU » Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:08 am

Sure, and my point wasn't about Kaepernick's overall performance, it was about his ability to see the opportunity to gain nice yards with his feet, in part due to the system allowing him to do so, and not wait for the desperation moment in the play. Kaepernick can sit back and throw just fine, he's already proven that.
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Re: The Brian Hoyer Era Starts Sunday

Unread postby jerryroche » Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:12 am

A better example from yesterday's games might be Andrew Luck, who looks to throw first but can run when necessary. Four rushes for 24 yards and a TD, to go along with a QB rating of 82.9, no INTs -- and his Colts WON.
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Re: The Brian Hoyer Era Starts Sunday

Unread postby FUDU » Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:18 am

jerryroche wrote:A better example from yesterday's games might be Andrew Luck, who looks to throw first but can run when necessary. Four rushes for 24 yards and a TD, to go along with a QB rating of 82.9, no INTs -- and his Colts WON.


That's a good EG, again in part due to Luck's athleticism being extremely under rated or under valued. How long he'll catch defenses sleeping remians to be seen. His naked bootleg was a thing of beauty.

But don't be confused by Kaepernick's athleticism. He looks to throw first as well.
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Re: The Brian Hoyer Era Starts Sunday

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill 2.0 » Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:21 am

RG is 0-3 and SF is 1-2 scoring 44 in 3 games

Like Sanchez and a host of others before them, deified and crowned "Game Changers" after one season...

Meantime, Brady and Manning are old, run like 6 yr old girls and still getting it done

Sorry but, heard it all before and Randall Cunningham still leads that category...
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Unread postby Hikohadon » Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:24 am

jb wrote:The false dichotomy of great runner / bad passer vs great passer / ok runner is funny to me.

Rogers was in warm ups when Kaep was playing in a SB & RG3 in the playoffs. Where will these guys be in year 8?

Maybe we could get a great passer AND super runner?


If only it were so easy. I thought I was clear that was the best case scenario?
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Re: The Brian Hoyer Era Starts Sunday

Unread postby FUDU » Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:26 am

Fire Marshall Bill 2.0 wrote:RG is 0-3 and SF is 1-2 scoring 44 in 3 games

Like Sanchez and a host of others before them, deified and crowned "Game Changers" after one season...

Meantime, Brady and Manning are old, run like 6 yr old girls and still getting it done

Sorry but, heard it all before and Randall Cunningham still leads that category...


LOL. ^ isn't watching any of these games.

Skins are a mess and aren't even attempting to run the O like they did last year. RG3 is slow, he's not 100%, whether he regains that explosiveness who knows, but he clearly doesn't have it now. SF has nobody that can get open except Boldin and they kind of ignored Gore this year.
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Re: The Brian Hoyer Era Starts Sunday

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Seattle is 3-0 and the Giants are 0-3 after taking a beatdown from Cam Newton's Panthers.

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Re: The Brian Hoyer Era Starts Sunday

Unread postby FUDU » Mon Sep 23, 2013 10:20 am

This Giant's decline has been brewing for a couple years. Seattle looks good, killer D, can run the ball well, good QB play, best 12th man in the NFL.
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Re: The Brian Hoyer Era Starts Sunday

Unread postby FUDU » Mon Sep 23, 2013 10:34 am

Fire Marshall Bill 2.0 wrote:RG is 0-3 and SF is 1-2 scoring 44 in 3 games

Like Sanchez and a host of others before them, deified and crowned "Game Changers" after one season...

Meantime, Brady and Manning are old, run like 6 yr old girls and still getting it done

Sorry but, heard it all before and Randall Cunningham still leads that category...

BTW there are some interesting whispers that RG3 is trying to put a wrench in the works in DC. Supposedly isn't 100% buying into the read option and wants to be more like Brady/Manning. Seeing as they got one week to right their ship, one would certainly hope those whispers are not true.
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Re: The Brian Hoyer Era Starts Sunday

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Mon Sep 23, 2013 11:54 am

Good teams are already dealing with the read option? Is that way Shady McCoy is averaging 150 a game?

The RB benefits the most from the read option. Maybe, just maybe, someday people on this forum will get that.

Fucking christ, do you guys even know what the read option is?

If you watched the SF - Seattle game you watched Seattle go out, line-up and literally read option the big bad niners D to death.

Just because SF is struggling right now and RGIII literally shouldn't be on the field doesn't mean shit.

Christ, this week when the Oregon Revolution in Philly got its as beat it wasn't because of D's figuring out the read option, they still got shady enough space for another 150. It was because Mike Vick decided to hand the ball over to the other team non-stop.

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Re: The Brian Hoyer Era Starts Sunday

Unread postby HoodooMan » Mon Sep 23, 2013 12:04 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:because all of the writing I've done has accomplished nothing thus far.


Keep your head up. Tolstoy once thought the same thing.
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Re: The Brian Hoyer Era Starts Sunday

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HoodooMan wrote:
e0y2e3 wrote:because all of the writing I've done has accomplished nothing thus far.


Keep your head up. Tolstoy once thought the same thing.


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Re: The Brian Hoyer Era Starts Sunday

Unread postby peeker643 » Mon Sep 23, 2013 12:15 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:Good teams are already dealing with the read option? Is that way Shady McCoy is averaging 150 a game?

The RB benefits the most from the read option. Maybe, just maybe, someday people on this forum will get that.

Fucking christ, do you guys even know what the read option is?

If you watched the SF - Seattle game you watched Seattle go out, line-up and literally read option the big bad niners D to death.

Just because SF is struggling right now and RGIII literally shouldn't be on the field doesn't mean shit.

Christ, this week when the Oregon Revolution in Philly got its as beat it wasn't because of D's figuring out the read option, they still got shady enough space for another 150. It was because Mike Vick decided to hand the ball over to the other team non-stop.

Maybe if we put a fund together to go and get all of you a XBox and Madden we could teach you guys how a read option works and what the intent is, because all of the writing I've done has accomplished nothing thus far.


^^^^

Works "mesh point" into any and all conversations he can.

I watched Russell Wilson get blown the hell up three times last Sunday night, twice after giving the ball up. I watch what's going on in Washington with RG3 not wanting to run or not being allowed to run.

If you don't see assets being depreciated more quickly then it ain't me missing the point. The threat of a Russell Wilson or Kaep or RG3 is still huge and that will never go away, but teams aren't going to allow those kind of guys to get brutalized year after year.

For video purposes:

http://thebiglead.com/2013/09/15/ahmad- ... ad-option/

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Re: The Brian Hoyer Era Starts Sunday

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Mon Sep 23, 2013 12:30 pm

Russel Wilson was blown up three times against the Niners?

RGIII's leg is hurt!??!??!

OH MY GAWDZZ!!!!!

Those 51 sacks Rogers took last year (many of which were blind side hits) must have really scrambled his brains!

And OH MY GAWDZZ!!!! HE'S BEEN HIT TEN TIMES IN THREE GAMES ALREADY!#%!%! INSIDE OF THE POCKET!!
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Re: The Brian Hoyer Era Starts Sunday

Unread postby HoodooMan » Mon Sep 23, 2013 12:40 pm

Bad things that naturally happen within the flow of the game as I conventionally understand it are just part of football.

Bad things that happen when those crazy kids and their rock n roll start being all differnt? Askin' for it.
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Unread postby e0y2e3 » Mon Sep 23, 2013 12:44 pm

The funny thing is that for the last two years the QB that has abused running like an RB the most of anyone in the league is Cam and he's immortal (and still improving as an actual QB).
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