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Re: 08/05/2013 - Indians Vs Tigers - Biggest series in 5 yea

Unread postby Larvell Blanks » Thu Aug 08, 2013 12:00 am

skatingtripods wrote:What is so mother fucking hard about bouncing an 0-2 pitch or throwing it at eye fucking level?

Incredible.


Why pussyfoot around Perez instead of going at him and giving Fielder his shot?
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Re: 08/05/2013 - Indians Vs Tigers - Biggest series in 5 yea

Unread postby scrambler » Thu Aug 08, 2013 12:03 am

bookelly wrote:Hats off to the Tigers. They are a much better team than us. I would be surprised if anyone can beat them come playoffs. They are just to strong an offense. With that starting pitching and those two BP guys...nobody will beat them.


Yep, this is it in a nutshell. they are simply better, the end.
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Re: 08/05/2013 - Indians Vs Tigers - Biggest series in 5 yea

Unread postby skatingtripods » Thu Aug 08, 2013 12:04 am

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skatingtripods wrote:What is so mother fucking hard about bouncing an 0-2 pitch or throwing it at eye fucking level?

Incredible.


Why pussyfoot around Perez instead of going at him and giving Fielder his shot?


I think Shaw was out of gas. Had thrown 40 pitches and was in his third inning of relief. I agree that you need to go after Perez, but he just couldn't locate.

I do, for what it's worth, agree with going after Fielder instead of walking him to face Victor. Rzepczynski had him down 0-2 and the strike two swing from Fielder was atrocious. He just made a terrible mistake 0-2.

Easy to second guess now (though I would have had second guessed immediately had I been at the game or home watching it), but they might win this game 3-2 if Francona goes to the pen for the 8th. Why not Shaw there? Jackson, Hunter, Cabrera and Shaw's very useful against RHB. Hill for Fielder and Martinez if it gets that far.
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Re: 08/05/2013 - Indians Vs Tigers - Biggest series in 5 yea

Unread postby Am I Here Again? » Thu Aug 08, 2013 12:26 am

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Re: 08/05/2013 - Indians Vs Tigers - Biggest series in 5 yea

Unread postby TouchEmAllTime » Thu Aug 08, 2013 2:10 am

bookelly wrote:Hats off to the Tigers. They are a much better team than us. I would be surprised if anyone can beat them come playoffs. They are just to strong an offense. With that starting pitching and those two BP guys...nobody will beat them.


The Pirates will beat them in the World Series ;-) ;) :wink:
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Re: 08/05/2013 - Indians Vs Tigers - Biggest series in 5 yea

Unread postby leadpipe » Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:18 am

skatingtripods wrote:
Larvell Blanks wrote:
skatingtripods wrote:What is so mother fucking hard about bouncing an 0-2 pitch or throwing it at eye fucking level?

Incredible.


Why pussyfoot around Perez instead of going at him and giving Fielder his shot?


I think Shaw was out of gas. Had thrown 40 pitches and was in his third inning of relief. I agree that you need to go after Perez, but he just couldn't locate.

I do, for what it's worth, agree with going after Fielder instead of walking him to face Victor. Rzepczynski had him down 0-2 and the strike two swing from Fielder was atrocious. He just made a terrible mistake 0-2.

Easy to second guess now (though I would have had second guessed immediately had I been at the game or home watching it), but they might win this game 3-2 if Francona goes to the pen for the 8th. Why not Shaw there? Jackson, Hunter, Cabrera and Shaw's very useful against RHB. Hill for Fielder and Martinez if it gets that far.


But you got Salazar, still running it up there in the high nineties. He struck out Cabrera the three previous at bats. Not sute what better match-up there was at that point. I understand him never throwing that many pitches, but he was NOT out of gas. He just ran into a PLAYA. What can you do. Cabrera could hit a dinger off Chuck Norris, not sure Shaw's gonna scare him.
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Re: 08/05/2013 - Indians Vs Tigers - Biggest series in 5 yea

Unread postby WiscTribeFan » Thu Aug 08, 2013 9:11 am

Agreed. It took him 4 tries, but Miggy finally locked on on that heat.

First time actually watching Salazar pitch. It's official, I have a total man crush on him.

Trevor Bauer should watch this kid pitch, stop over analyzing every micron of his delivery and get up there and let his talent take over. He is never going to get out of his own way and let his talent do the talking.
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Re: 08/05/2013 - Indians Vs Tigers - Biggest series in 5 yea

Unread postby peeker643 » Thu Aug 08, 2013 9:19 am

leadpipe wrote:
skatingtripods wrote:
Larvell Blanks wrote:
skatingtripods wrote:What is so mother fucking hard about bouncing an 0-2 pitch or throwing it at eye fucking level?

Incredible.


Why pussyfoot around Perez instead of going at him and giving Fielder his shot?


I think Shaw was out of gas. Had thrown 40 pitches and was in his third inning of relief. I agree that you need to go after Perez, but he just couldn't locate.

I do, for what it's worth, agree with going after Fielder instead of walking him to face Victor. Rzepczynski had him down 0-2 and the strike two swing from Fielder was atrocious. He just made a terrible mistake 0-2.

Easy to second guess now (though I would have had second guessed immediately had I been at the game or home watching it), but they might win this game 3-2 if Francona goes to the pen for the 8th. Why not Shaw there? Jackson, Hunter, Cabrera and Shaw's very useful against RHB. Hill for Fielder and Martinez if it gets that far.


But you got Salazar, still running it up there in the high nineties. He struck out Cabrera the three previous at bats. Not sute what better match-up there was at that point. I understand him never throwing that many pitches, but he was NOT out of gas. He just ran into a PLAYA. What can you do. Cabrera could hit a dinger off Chuck Norris, not sure Shaw's gonna scare him.


Yep- He gets the ball from me there too. Unquestionably and unapologetically.

Tip your hat to the best hitter of the game, who looked 99mph in a certain spot and, unlike most of the guys on the Indians team in critical spots in the order, he didn't miss it. He didn't miss it, foul it off or anything else. He hit it out.

Again- Tigers would not trade a single guy 1-5 in their lineup for a single guy 1-5 in Indians lineup. And I wouldn't if I were them either.
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Re: 08/05/2013 - Indians Vs Tigers - Biggest series in 5 yea

Unread postby Prosecutor » Thu Aug 08, 2013 9:40 am

Bourn, Cabrera, and Santana went 2-for-18. You can't beat the Tigers with that kind of production from our main guys.

Cabrera is clearly putting too much pressure on himself now that he's hitting cleanup. He's popping everything up, which tells me he's overswinging and trying for HR's. He needs to play within himself, forget he's hitting cleanup, go for line drives, and take any homers that come. That's his game. It works for Brantley.

How does a guy who throws 103 have an ERA over 5.00? He also got his slider over which made him unhittable. Meanwhile we've got Shaw and Scrabble.

I agree you got with Salazar in the 8th. He was under 100 pitches and he's got better stuff than anybody in the pen.

With Danny replacing Ubaldo in the rotation next year this team will be even better, especially if they upgrade the bullpen, which has to be Job One.

The Tribe is nine games under .500 against the Tigers and 19 games over against everybody else. Very frustrating, but Peeks is right, the talent gap is huge. I can't believe we've hung with them this long.
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Re: 08/05/2013 - Indians Vs Tigers - Biggest series in 5 yea

Unread postby skatingtripods » Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:19 am

Fair enough. Agree to disagree.

And yeah, he's clearly a better option than Shaw, which wasn't my point. My point was that he was in new territory this season against some of the league's best hitters. Fourth time through the lineup. Season-high pitch count in a high-stress environment. Etc., etc.

You just got the kid a run after he worked out of a jam in the 7th. He gave you everything you needed. Turn it over to somebody else.

Ultimately, the problem here is that we don't have a trustworthy arm in the bullpen.
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Re: 08/05/2013 - Indians Vs Tigers - Biggest series in 5 yea

Unread postby scrambler » Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:57 am

Prince Fielder is a very fine hitter but he ain't Cabrera....any thoughts to just putting Cabrera on in the 8th and bringing in Hill or eye chart to pitch to Fielder there?? I know it breaks all conventional wisdom on what you do...putting winning run on base etc, In the end it likely doesn't matter as it's simply a case of they're better. I did prefer Salazar to any righty in the pen to pitch to Cabrera there, but maybe I would have preferred one of the lefties to pitch to Prince than anyone on the staff pitching to Cabrera in that situation.
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Re: 08/05/2013 - Indians Vs Tigers - Biggest series in 5 yea

Unread postby Prosecutor » Thu Aug 08, 2013 2:40 pm

Ultimately, the problem here is that we don't have a trustworthy arm in the bullpen.


That's it, no question. Which is why I'm optimistic that if we can get a couple of trustworthy arms next year, including at least one damn good LOOGY, we can make a run at 90-95 wins.

We still have a shot at a wild card this year. Only four games left against Detroit.
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Re: 08/05/2013 - Indians Vs Tigers - Biggest series in 5 yea

Unread postby leadpipe » Thu Aug 08, 2013 4:25 pm

skatingtripods wrote:Fair enough. Agree to disagree.

And yeah, he's clearly a better option than Shaw, which wasn't my point. My point was that he was in new territory this season against some of the league's best hitters. Fourth time through the lineup. Season-high pitch count in a high-stress environment. Etc., etc.

You just got the kid a run after he worked out of a jam in the 7th. He gave you everything you needed. Turn it over to somebody else.

Ultimately, the problem here is that we don't have a trustworthy arm in the bullpen.


I'm not going to say overmatch, that might be excessive - but he was pretty darn close on the first two hitters in the 8th. At that point he's pitching to anyone on GGE. Hunter get the hit, and you've got yourself a circumstance. Might have been 4th time thru, but it was 4th time ever, and the first three you got the best possible result.

Again, the guy looked as good in that 8th as just about any inning. And just as strong as well.

We can agree to diasagree, but watching that inning, I woulda had a caniption should they handed the ball over.
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Re: 08/05/2013 - Indians Vs Tigers - Biggest series in 5 yea

Unread postby dazindiansfanuk » Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:56 pm

Z-Mac really driving the nail into the Tribe coffin.
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Re: 08/05/2013 - Indians Vs Tigers - Biggest series in 5 yea

Unread postby Dnthateonthepronk » Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:24 pm

still a lot of games left
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Re: 08/05/2013 - Indians Vs Tigers - Biggest series in 5 yea

Unread postby justmebd » Thu Aug 08, 2013 9:20 pm

Dnthateonthepronk wrote:still a lot of games left

I hate to sound pessimistic, but games left for what?

So what we squeak into the playoffs. Chances are we'll end up playing Detroit.

Whooptie-friggin-do.

Tons of credit to Francona for squeezing every last inch of talent out of this shitbag squad, but at the end of the day, this team still is very thin on talent, and this series just re-exposed that.

We now have the next six weeks of playing mediocre teams for everyone to forget this lesson.
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Re: 08/05/2013 - Indians Vs Tigers - Biggest series in 5 yea

Unread postby RedDawg53 » Thu Aug 08, 2013 9:49 pm

Let's have Slider pitch too!
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Re: 08/05/2013 - Indians Vs Tigers - Biggest series in 5 yea

Unread postby Am I Here Again? » Thu Aug 08, 2013 9:55 pm

Tribe to Twinkies: I see your Jamey Carroll and I raise you a Ryan Raburn. Our guy had a 1-2-3 inning too and got it up into the 80s.
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Re: 08/05/2013 - Indians Vs Tigers - Biggest series in 5 yea

Unread postby skatingtripods » Fri Aug 09, 2013 1:33 am

Tonight was so miserable. Between the 8-0 deficit after 3.5 and The Jake becoming Comerica Park South, it almost forced me to break my cardinal rule of never leaving early. I got rewarded for staying with a Ryan Raburn appearance on the mound.
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Re: 08/05/2013 - Indians Vs Tigers - Biggest series in 5 yea

Unread postby Prosecutor » Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:16 am

Am I Here Again? wrote:Tribe to Twinkies: I see your Jamey Carroll and I raise you a Ryan Raburn. Our guy had a 1-2-3 inning too and got it up into the 80s.


I was screaming for Francona to put Rayburn in to pitch the 9th on Monday, but he went with Perez instead and that set the tone for the whole series.

I hope he learned something.

OK, so we got hammered by the Tigers again, but at least we know we're not the only team in the Central that has an infielder that can close out a game. So the series wasn't a total loss.
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Re: 08/05/2013 - Indians Vs Tigers - Biggest series in 5 yea

Unread postby Larvell Blanks » Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:46 am

Hey look behind us, is that KC?

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only 1.5 games behind us.
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Unread postby WiscTribeFan » Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:53 am

skatingtripods wrote:Tonight was so miserable. Between the 8-0 deficit after 3.5 and The Jake becoming Comerica Park South, it almost forced me to break my cardinal rule of never leaving early. I got rewarded for staying with a Ryan Raburn appearance on the mound.


Reminds me of Comiskey back in the mid to late 90s after the Sox threw up the White Flag. There were always more Tribe fans there than Sox fans. It was magnificent.
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Re: 08/05/2013 - Indians Vs Tigers - Biggest series in 5 yea

Unread postby peeker643 » Fri Aug 09, 2013 9:12 am

Any questions?
No?

Okay then.

And please, please, please.... let's really hope and count on that wildcard spot so at least we get a game against another mediocre team before having to play someone that's just better than this Indians team in every regard.

People act like 7 games with almost 50 to play is a huge deal. It ain't to a good team that actually can beat the team ahead of it and isn't completely outclassed by it.

The only shame in that is that people can't see it or admit to it so they'll make excuses for it.
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Re: 08/05/2013 - Indians Vs Tigers - Biggest series in 5 yea

Unread postby skatingtripods » Fri Aug 09, 2013 9:27 am

They got humbled by the best team in the American League, possibly all of baseball. Now that the Tigers have sorted out their bullpen issues and Victor's not hitting .220, I'm not sure anybody can beat them. They have the best 1-4 rotation of any playoff team, and getting Sanchez, Verlander, and Scherzer twice in a series will be very difficult for any lineup to deal with.

That being said, we really should have split this series. Should have won Monday and had plenty of chances on Wednesday. And yes, the Indians have been awful against Detroit and the AL East, but they are 9-1 against Texas and Oakland, who aren't exactly dregs. They can play with good teams. Detroit's just bordering on elite.
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Unread postby Dnthateonthepronk » Fri Aug 09, 2013 1:48 pm

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Re: 08/05/2013 - Indians Vs Tigers - Biggest series in 5 yea

Unread postby Prosecutor » Fri Aug 09, 2013 11:29 pm

After tonight's loss the Tribe is 6-29 against the Yankees, Red Sox, Rays, and Tigers and 56-25 against everybody else.

They're the '62 Mets when they play the elite teams and the '27 Yankees against the bad and mediocre teams.

In theory they have a good shot at the playoffs since only 3 of their remaining 46 games are against those four teams that have been killing them. But I agree - even if they get in they have no chance of winning 3 of 5 against anybody.

Unfortunately, it looks like the wheels are starting to come off. Kluber is out, probably for the year. Kazmir got slammed for five runs before getting an out tonight. And the offense still sucks, although it's no disgrace to get shut down by Verlander, Fister, Scherzer, and Weaver.

I like the new lineup with Raburn and Gomes getting the at-bats Reynolds was wasting for the last three months. Maybe once they get back to playing the non-elite teams again they can get another roll going and make it interesting for a while longer.
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Re: 08/05/2013 - Indians Vs Tigers - Biggest series in 5 yea

Unread postby Dnthateonthepronk » Sat Aug 10, 2013 10:42 am

This is a team that is good enough to make the playoffs. Nobody to my knowledge has annointed them world series contenders. We knew this team wasnt going to win a world series but it was an important year in making strides in getting to that point in the next couple of years. As far as I can tell they are doing what most thought or playing a little better. Im excited and happy they have a shot at the playoffs and am going to enjoy it, then if they were to get in, just enjoy it for what it is. Playoff baseball in Cleveland in October.

This team has proven it is streaky (due to shotty defense and an unreliable bullpen) this year. (Plus the pitchers the last week have not helped). But this team has also proved it has the ability to right the ship and prevent a collapse in these streaks.
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Re: 08/05/2013 - Indians Vs Tigers - Biggest series in 5 yea

Unread postby skatingtripods » Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:24 am

I just want to stay in it long enough for Masterson, McAllister, and hopefully Kluber, to start big, meaningful games and the relievers to pitch in very high-leverage spots in important games. That experience is invaluable.
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Re: 08/05/2013 - Indians Vs Tigers - Biggest series in 5 yea

Unread postby Adverb Harry » Sat Aug 10, 2013 1:23 pm

I'm with you guys. As disappointing as the past week has been, and regardless of what happens the rest of the way, it's not like this is a one shot window into the playoffs. This team is positioned for the next several seasons, and one could even argue that we will be even better positioned next year. Other than Smith, we really aren't losing anybody (And who's to say we don't bring him back?). The young kids are getting their first taste of contention now, so maybe they'll be able to better handle the pressure next time around. Gomes, Kluber, and Salazar have all emerged as some pretty important pieces, and Swisher will have the whole off-season to rest his shoulder. Lindor should make an appearance by the end of the season, too. If they get nothing else the rest of this season other than experience, it'll be a good lesson.

That being said, I would still love to see them go on a crazy tear and catch the Tigers.
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Re: 08/05/2013 - Indians Vs Tigers - Biggest series in 5 yea

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Sat Aug 10, 2013 1:32 pm

I agree. It's been a tough stretch with the sweep and the injuries, but maybe this team has the guts to get up off the mat and throw some punches. They may not win, but i'll be proud if they fight to the end.

Kinda reminds me of last season's CBJ team, not the most talented by any stretch, but they played hard and earned respect from a wavering fan base.
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Re: 08/05/2013 - Indians Vs Tigers - Biggest series in 5 yea

Unread postby jerryroche » Sat Aug 10, 2013 2:28 pm

Question for all: Next year, how many victories would a 35-100 guy in the four-hole mean to the roster as it's presently constructed? (No other additions in the off-season.)

0? 4? 8? 12?
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