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Re: Well, anyone sniffing or sip[ping the Kool Aid?

Unread postby Hikohadon » Tue Jul 30, 2013 10:16 am

peeker643 wrote:In two years we can let you pretend you were just open minded about a a big, tall guy your team took instead of ignorant and color-blind.


Really, who gives a fuck about that? People have opinions. Ain't no one keepin' score.
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Re: Well, anyone sniffing or sip[ping the Kool Aid?

Unread postby Hikohadon » Tue Jul 30, 2013 10:17 am

mattvan1 wrote:
peeker643 wrote:::doh::

.....I gotta hear some half-assed gangsta poet....


Wait, I'm confused. Is that JB, Hiko, SoulDawg? 'Cause "half-assed gansta poet" (or HAG Poet) is a pretty nice handle - I just need to know to whom it refers.


I would be honored to wear that supposedly slanderous label, but I'm pretty sure it's not me.
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Re: Well, anyone sniffing or sip[ping the Kool Aid?

Unread postby peeker643 » Tue Jul 30, 2013 10:33 am

Hikohadon wrote:
peeker643 wrote:In two years we can let you pretend you were just open minded about a a big, tall guy your team took instead of ignorant and color-blind.


People have opinions.


I've heard that. Some based on youtube vids and draft sites.

Some based.... where one lives and a rooting interest I guess.

Both equally as valid.

Yet here we are.

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Re: Well, anyone sniffing or sip[ping the Kool Aid?

Unread postby jb » Tue Jul 30, 2013 10:58 am

peeker643 wrote:
Hikohadon wrote:
peeker643 wrote:In two years we can let you pretend you were just open minded about a a big, tall guy your team took instead of ignorant and color-blind.


People have opinions.


I've heard that. Some based on youtube vids and draft sites.

Some based.... where one lives and a rooting interest I guess.

Both equally as valid.

Yet here we are.

Afuckingain


Or, yah know, the football field and quotes from coaches or personnel execs with no horse in the race that inherited the guy.
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Re: Well, anyone sniffing or sip[ping the Kool Aid?

Unread postby Hikohadon » Tue Jul 30, 2013 11:15 am

peeker643 wrote:
Hikohadon wrote:
peeker643 wrote:In two years we can let you pretend you were just open minded about a a big, tall guy your team took instead of ignorant and color-blind.


People have opinions.


I've heard that. Some based on youtube vids and draft sites.

Some based.... where one lives and a rooting interest I guess.



Some based on watching games.

Some based on draft sites.

Some based on different draft sites that say totally different things.

Some based on pure hope.

Some based on a hunch or gut feeling.

Some based on the horoscope.

Some based on having poopy pants.

Some based on hair color and funny accent.

Some based on the Mayan calendar.

Some based on wanting to "call it" and be "right".

Some based on how the guy's girlfriend/wife looks.

In the end, the "why" doesn't matter. No one gives a shit.
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Re: Well, anyone sniffing or sip[ping the Kool Aid?

Unread postby peeker643 » Tue Jul 30, 2013 11:17 am

jb wrote:
peeker643 wrote:
Hikohadon wrote:
peeker643 wrote:In two years we can let you pretend you were just open minded about a a big, tall guy your team took instead of ignorant and color-blind.


People have opinions.


I've heard that. Some based on youtube vids and draft sites.

Some based.... where one lives and a rooting interest I guess.

Both equally as valid.

Yet here we are.

Afuckingain


Or, yah know, the football field and quotes from coaches or personnel execs with no horse in the race that inherited the guy.


The people that inherited the guy have no horse in the race? OK. Clearly no incentive for them to talk the guy up. :thumb up:

Or if there's supposed to an 'either/or' there, or I missed an assumed comma someplace in the sentence, please advise.

As to on the field, we're talking about the guy who famously threw away a 4th down pass to avoid pressure? Hopefully his 30th year on earth shows him that's not a good idea, or that Norv and Chud don't Shurmur him into doing such things again.

Look, I agree he was put into the worst possible situation possible by the people who ran the show last season. It was brutal and he got no favors done for him. Can he grow and be better with quality talent around him? Yes.

Will even that be good enough to elevate this team where it needs to go? I don't believe it will.

What's that worth?

A whole bunch of nothing.
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Re: Well, anyone sniffing or sip[ping the Kool Aid?

Unread postby Hikohadon » Tue Jul 30, 2013 11:26 am

Man, we were SO close to getting to a preseason game without rehashing this topic...

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Re: Well, anyone sniffing or sip[ping the Kool Aid?

Unread postby HoodooMan » Tue Jul 30, 2013 11:43 am

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Re: Well, anyone sniffing or sip[ping the Kool Aid?

Unread postby Hikohadon » Tue Jul 30, 2013 11:46 am

HoodooMan wrote:'

That's laughable.

No where near as valid as ~.
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Re: Well, anyone sniffing or sip[ping the Kool Aid?

Unread postby peeker643 » Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:13 pm

Hikohadon wrote:Man, we were SO close to getting to a preseason game without rehashing this topic...

:pb:


It was never going to happen. It wouldn't have been tolerated ;-) ;) :wink:

FWIW, I think HooDoo has it right.
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Re: Well, anyone sniffing or sip[ping the Kool Aid?

Unread postby jb » Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:22 pm

peeker643 wrote:
jb wrote:
peeker643 wrote:
Hikohadon wrote:
peeker643 wrote:In two years we can let you pretend you were just open minded about a a big, tall guy your team took instead of ignorant and color-blind.


People have opinions.


I've heard that. Some based on youtube vids and draft sites.

Some based.... where one lives and a rooting interest I guess.

Both equally as valid.

Yet here we are.

Afuckingain


Or, yah know, the football field and quotes from coaches or personnel execs with no horse in the race that inherited the guy.


The people that inherited the guy have no horse in the race? OK. Clearly no incentive for them to talk the guy up. :thumb up:

Or if there's supposed to an 'either/or' there, or I missed an assumed comma someplace in the sentence, please advise.

As to on the field, we're talking about the guy who famously threw away a 4th down pass to avoid pressure? Hopefully his 30th year on earth shows him that's not a good idea, or that Norv and Chud don't Shurmur him into doing such things again.

Look, I agree he was put into the worst possible situation possible by the people who ran the show last season. It was brutal and he got no favors done for him. Can he grow and be better with quality talent around him? Yes.

Will even that be good enough to elevate this team where it needs to go? I don't believe it will.

What's that worth?

A whole bunch of nothing.



well what I'm suggesting is they didn't draft weedon. They could have drafted their own guy. They could have traded for a vet, signed an FA; whatever.

They decided weeds was the best option for now.
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Re: Well, anyone sniffing or sip[ping the Kool Aid?

Unread postby peeker643 » Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:29 pm

jb wrote:
peeker643 wrote:
jb wrote:
peeker643 wrote:
Hikohadon wrote:
peeker643 wrote:In two years we can let you pretend you were just open minded about a a big, tall guy your team took instead of ignorant and color-blind.


People have opinions.


I've heard that. Some based on youtube vids and draft sites.

Some based.... where one lives and a rooting interest I guess.

Both equally as valid.

Yet here we are.

Afuckingain


Or, yah know, the football field and quotes from coaches or personnel execs with no horse in the race that inherited the guy.


The people that inherited the guy have no horse in the race? OK. Clearly no incentive for them to talk the guy up. :thumb up:

Or if there's supposed to an 'either/or' there, or I missed an assumed comma someplace in the sentence, please advise.

As to on the field, we're talking about the guy who famously threw away a 4th down pass to avoid pressure? Hopefully his 30th year on earth shows him that's not a good idea, or that Norv and Chud don't Shurmur him into doing such things again.

Look, I agree he was put into the worst possible situation possible by the people who ran the show last season. It was brutal and he got no favors done for him. Can he grow and be better with quality talent around him? Yes.

Will even that be good enough to elevate this team where it needs to go? I don't believe it will.

What's that worth?

A whole bunch of nothing.



well what I'm suggesting is they didn't draft weedon. They could have drafted their own guy. They could have traded for a vet, signed an FA; whatever.

They decided weeds was the best option for now.


Truth. There was no one out there they believed was going to be better that was available in the draft or free agency and the trade market in the NFL for that commodity is pretty much non-existent.

I would have been happier with Alex Smith but agree he's not an answer to any 'elite' question.

And so as not to get pigeon-holed, I do think Weeden can be (at best) "serviceable" in this offense with these coaches.
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Re: Well, anyone sniffing or sip[ping the Kool Aid?

Unread postby mattvan1 » Tue Jul 30, 2013 2:38 pm

peeker643 wrote: I do think Weeden can be (at best) "serviceable" in this offense with these coaches.


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Re: Well, anyone sniffing or sip[ping the Kool Aid?

Unread postby leadpipe » Tue Jul 30, 2013 6:33 pm

jb wrote:
leadpipe wrote:
jb wrote:
leadpipe wrote:If I agree with the last paragraph, then how the hell is age not a factor for a 29 year old rookie on the 4 year plan?


I'll type slower Piper.

We haven't had a run of good QB play worth a shit for more than a half season since 1994.


Let's say Weed take 4 years to hit peak and started here at 29. The ramp up to peak will have to be "good" starting this year for him to keep a lease on life. In 4 years he'll be what, 33? let's say to Hiko's point his style of QB play allows him to play well until he's 36 and that's 3 seasons.

Name me the last time we had a QB play here who played well for 5 or 6 seasons?

I can worry about his replacement in 6 years so long as he can play worth a damn. You don't have to limit your QB search to a guy who is there for a decade or more.

The question remains whether he can play or not.

My OPINION, and that's just it, is that he was rated highly enough and has enough tools so that he has a legitimate shot, as opposed to a 3rd round flier. I'll keep an open mind given what he showed last season rather than fatally writing him off.


I'll type even slower...

I already acknowledged that whether he can play or not is the biggest factor.

I'm just offering my OPINION, that if you've got a project guy starting at 29, you've got an age issue.

Especially a pure pocket guy. Brady gets rid of the ball in about record time. Then there's the fact he's great. We'll get him to damn near 40 allright.

Not sure how many more immobile guys you're gonna get there as the game continues to change. Anyone wanna bet me the NFL record for total sacks gets broken this year? Cause it will. The % of pass plays will go up, and teams are hoarding anyone that can get to the QB cause they understand it's about the only way to legally defend the pass anymore. Immobile QB's are gonna have a harder time as the next few years pass, unless they can analyze and process fast. Real fast.

Which brings me full circle to my OPINION. Nothing that I'VE SEEN, from watching the Big 12, to seeing the performances of modern QB's from the Big 12, suggest they are getting a shred of preparation for the storm that's a comin' on Sundays. And if they can adjust IT WILL TAKE TIME, cause they are starting basically at square one.

We'll take the same thing JB, hell, I'll take 4 good years of QB play, and then send him behind the barn smiling. But damn man, I admire your confidence that the guy can get there conidering where he's been, what we've seen, and..ahem...the late start in life.



So about all this BS about quarterbacks from the Big 12....

It isn't the college. It isn't the conference. Hell, it's questionable it is the system rather than the mechanics.

Who came after Marrk Rypien and Drew Bledsoe and played for Mike Price from the all might PAC 10?

Who came after Heath Shuler and preceded T Martin in the venerable SEC?

Hell, I'm probably missing someone patently obvious, but the SEC has long been the gold standard of college football. Much pro set I style offense run there. I can think of one family that has produced QB's worth spit in the last half decade from the pro style teams in that conference that produces stars at every other position on the field. The only other successful SEC QB starting now is a spread offense product doing so based on his immense physical talent. The irony...

Edit - I forgot Cutler. Does vandy even count as the SEC? More irony.

If Brandon Weedon struggles and fails it will be because of Brandon Weedon. The rest is sophistry.

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Rk Tm Age G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD
1 Matthew Stafford DET 24 16 15 4-12-0 435 727 59.8 4967 20 2.8 17 2.3 57 6.8 6.3 11.4 310.4 79.8 58.93 29 212 6.29 5.81 3.8 3 3
2 Drew Brees* NOR 33 16 16 7-9-0 422 670 63.0 5177 43 6.4 19 2.8 80 7.7 7.7 12.3 323.6 96.3 67.86 26 190 7.17 7.17 3.7 1 2
3 Tony Romo DAL 32 16 16 8-8-0 425 648 65.6 4903 28 4.3 19 2.9 85 7.6 7.1 11.5 306.4 90.5 62.74 36 263 6.78 6.35 5.3 5 5
4 Tom Brady* NWE 35 16 16 12-4-0 401 637 63.0 4827 34 5.3 8 1.3 83 7.6 8.1 12.0 301.7 98.7 77.05 27 182 7.00 7.48 4.1 1 2
5 Andrew Luck IND 23 16 15 11-5-0 339 627 54.1 4374 23 3.7 18 2.9 70 7.0 6.4 12.9 273.4 76.5 64.99 41 246 6.18 5.66 6.1 4 7
6 Matt Ryan* ATL 27 16 15 13-3-0 422 615 68.6 4719 32 5.2 14 2.3 80 7.7 7.7 11.2 294.9 99.1 74.5 28 210 7.01 7.03 4.4 5 7
7 Peyton Manning*+ DEN 36 16 16 13-3-0 400 583 68.6 4659 37 6.3 11 1.9 71 8.0 8.4 11.6 291.2 105.8 84.11 21 137 7.49 7.89 3.5 3 3
8 Carson Palmer OAK 33 15 15 4-11-0 345 565 61.1 4018 22 3.9 14 2.5 64 7.1 6.8 11.6 267.9 85.3 44.72 26 199 6.46 6.14 4.4 2 2
9 Josh Freeman TAM 24 16 16 7-9-0 306 558 54.8 4065 27 4.8 17 3.0 95 7.3 6.9 13.3 254.1 81.6 53.13 26 161 6.68 6.30 4.5 1 1
10 Aaron Rodgers* GNB 29 16 16 11-5-0 371 552 67.2 4295 39 7.1 8 1.4 73 7.8 8.5 11.6 268.4 108.0 72.48 51 293 6.64 7.33 8.5 2 3
11 Sam Bradford STL 25 16 16 7-8-1 328 551 59.5 3702 21 3.8 13 2.4 80 6.7 6.4 11.3 231.4 82.6 51.56 35 233 5.92 5.64 6.0 4 3
12 Matt Schaub* HOU 31 16 15 12-4-0 350 544 64.3 4008 22 4.0 12 2.2 60 7.4 7.2 11.5 250.5 90.7 62.57 27 216 6.64 6.47 4.7 2 2
13 Eli Manning* NYG 31 16 16 9-7-0 321 536 59.9 3948 26 4.9 15 2.8 80 7.4 7.1 12.3 246.8 87.2 67.39 19 136 6.87 6.59 3.4 3 3
14 Joe Flacco BAL 27 16 16 10-6-0 317 531 59.7 3817 22 4.1 10 1.9 61 7.2 7.2 12.0 238.6 87.7 46.82 35 227 6.34 6.33 6.2 4 4
15 Andy Dalton CIN 25 16 16 10-6-0 329 528 62.3 3669 27 5.1 16 3.0 59 6.9 6.6 11.2 229.3 87.4 50.73 46 229 5.99 5.68 8.0 1 3
16 Philip Rivers SDG 31 16 16 7-9-0 338 527 64.1 3606 26 4.9 15 2.8 80 6.8 6.5 10.7 225.4 88.6 40.57 49 311 5.72 5.45 8.5
17 Brandon Weeden CLE 29 15 15 5-10-0 297 517 57.4 3385 14 2.7 17 3.3 71 6.5 5.6 11.4 225.7 72.6 26.6 28 186 5.87 4.98 5.1 1 1
18 Ryan Fitzpatrick BUF 30 16 15 6-10-0 306 505 60.6 3400 24 4.8 16 3.2 68 6.7 6.3 11.1 212.5 83.3 45.77 30 161 6.05 5.61 5.6 0 1
19 Cam Newton CAR 23 16 16 7-9-0 280 485 57.7 3869 19 3.9 12 2.5 82 8.0 7.6 13.8 241.8 86.2 54.22 36 244 6.96 6.65 6.9 1 1
20 Ryan Tannehill MIA 24 16 16 7-9-0 282 484 58.3 3294 12 2.5 13 2.7 80 6.8 6.1 11.7 205.9 76.1 52.28 35 234 5.90 5.23 6.7 1 1
21 Christian Ponder MIN 24 16 16 10-6-0 300 483 62.1 2935 18 3.7 12 2.5 65 6.1 5.7 9.8 183.4 81.2 53.77 32 184 5.34 4.99 6.2 1 2
22 Mark Sanchez NYJ 26 15 15 6-9-0 246 453 54.3 2883 13 2.9 18 4.0 66 6.4 5.2 11.7 192.2 66.9 23.37 34 209 5.49 4.36 7.0 1 1
23 Ben Roethlisberger PIT 30 13 13 7-6-0 284 449 63.3 3265 26 5.8 8 1.8 82 7.3 7.6 11.5 251.2 97.0 62.75 30 182 6.44 6.77 6.3 2 3
24 Jay Cutler CHI 29 15 15 10-5-0 255 434 58.8 3033 19 4.4 14 3.2 60 7.0 6.4 11.9 202.2 81.3 51.91 38 250 5.90 5.37 8.1 1 1
25 Robert Griffin III* WAS 22 15 15 9-6-0 258 393 65.6 3200 20 5.1 5 1.3 88 8.1 8.6 12.4 213.3 102.4 71.41 30 217 7.05 7.47 7.1 3 2
26 Russell Wilson SEA 24 16 16 11-5-0 252 393 64.1 3118 26 6.6 10 2.5 67 7.9 8.1 12.4 194.9 100.0 69.59 33 203 6.84 7.01 7.7 4 5
27 Michael Vick PHI 32 10 10 3-7-0 204 351 58.1 2362 12 3.4 10 2.8 77 6.7 6.1 11.6 236.2 78.1 46.03 28 153 5.83 5.27 7.4 3 3
28 Jake Locker TEN 24 11 11 4-7-0 177 314 56.4 2176 10 3.2 11 3.5 71 6.9 6.0 12.3 197.8 74.0 48.07 25 151 5.97 5.10 7.4 0 1
29 Chad Henne JAX 27 10 6 1-5-0 166 308 53.9 2084 11 3.6 11 3.6 81 6.8 5.9 12.6 208.4 72.2 29.9 28 169 5.70 4.88 8.3
Rk Tm Age G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD
30 Blaine Gabbert JAX 23 10 10 1-9-0 162 278 58.3 1662 9 3.2 6 2.2 80 6.0 5.7 10.3 166.2 77.4 40.94 22 158 5.01 4.71 7.3 1 1
31 Matt Cassel KAN 30 9 8 1-7-0 161 277 58.1 1796 6 2.2 12 4.3 46 6.5 5.0 11.2 199.6 66.7 36.54 19 101 5.73 4.31 6.4 1 1
32 Nick Foles PHI 23 7 6 1-5-0 161 265 60.8 1699 6 2.3 5 1.9 46 6.4 6.0 10.6 242.7 79.1 45.33 20 131 5.50 5.13 7.0 1 1
33 Matt Hasselbeck TEN 37 8 5 2-3-0 138 221 62.4 1367 7 3.2 5 2.3 37 6.2 5.8 9.9 170.9 81.0 48.49 14 103 5.38 5.02 6.0 2 2
34 Colin Kaepernick SFO 25 13 7 5-2-0 136 218 62.4 1814 10 4.6 3 1.4 57 8.3 8.6 13.3 139.5 98.3 76.79 16 112 7.27 7.55 6.8 2 2
35 Alex Smith SFO 28 10 9 6-2-1 153 218 70.2 1737 13 6.0 5 2.3 55 8.0 8.1 11.4 173.7 104.1 70.09 24 137 6.61 6.76 9.9
36 John Skelton ARI 24 7 6 1-5-0 109 201 54.2 1132 2 1.0 9 4.5 40 5.6 3.8 10.4 161.7 55.4 13.89 15 98 4.79 3.10 6.9 1 1
37 Brady Quinn KAN 28 10 8 1-7-0 112 197 56.9 1141 2 1.0 8 4.1 57 5.8 4.2 10.2 114.1 60.1 27.4 21 123 4.67 3.20 9.6
38 Kevin Kolb ARI 28 6 5 3-2-0 109 183 59.6 1169 8 4.4 3 1.6 46 6.4 6.5 10.7 194.8 86.1 37.96 27 159 4.81 4.93 12.9 2 2
39 Ryan Lindley ARI 23 7 4 1-3-0 89 171 52.0 752 0 0.0 7 4.1 28 4.4 2.6 8.4 107.4 46.7 9.82 12 91 3.61 1.89 6.6
40 Charlie Batch PIT 38 3 2 1-1-0 45 70 64.3 475 1 1.4 4 5.7 43 6.8 4.5 10.6 158.3 64.9 34.76 3 12 6.34 4.15 4.1 1 1
41 Brian Hoyer ARI 27 2 1 0-1-0 30 53 56.6 330 1 1.9 2 3.8 53 6.2 4.9 11.0 165.0 65.8 37.66 4 30 5.26 4.04 7.0
42 Byron Leftwich PIT 32 2 1 0-1-0 25 53 47.2 272 0 0.0 1 1.9 37 5.1 4.3 10.9 136.0 54.9 34.02 3 24 4.43 3.63 5.4 0 0
43 Jason Campbell CHI 31 6 1 0-1-0 32 51 62.7 265 2 3.9 2 3.9 45 5.2 4.2 8.3 44.2 72.8 23.49 6 49 3.79 2.91 10.5
44 Kirk Cousins WAS 24 3 1 1-0-0 33 48 68.8 466 4 8.3 3 6.3 77 9.7 8.6 14.1 155.3 101.6 72.69 3 27 8.61 7.53 5.9 1 1
45 Matt Leinart OAK 29 2 0 16 33 48.5 115 0 0.0 1 3.0 20 3.5 2.1 7.2 57.5 44.4 11.31 1 9 3.12 1.79 2.9
46 Thaddeus Lewis CLE 25 1 1 0-1-0 22 32 68.8 204 1 3.1 1 3.1 23 6.4 5.6 9.3 204.0 83.3 58.63 3 14 5.43 4.71 8.6
47 Greg McElroy NYJ 24 2 1 0-1-0 19 31 61.3 214 1 3.2 1 3.2 30 6.9 6.1 11.3 107.0 79.2 45.17 11 71 3.40 2.81 26.2 1 1
48 Terrelle Pryor OAK 23 3 1 0-1-0 14 30 46.7 155 2 6.7 1 3.3 38 5.2 5.0 11.1 51.7 70.8 59.66 0 0 5.17 5.00 0.0
49 Tyrod Taylor BAL 23 6 0 17 29 58.6 179 0 0.0 1 3.4 25 6.2 4.6 10.5 29.8 62.3 45.01 3 30 4.66 3.25 9.4
50 Matt Moore MIA 28 10 0 11 19 57.9 131 1 5.3 0 0.0 37 6.9 7.9 11.9 13.1 96.6 59.73 2 9 5.81 6.76 9.5
51 Colt McCoy CLE 25 3 0 9 17 52.9 79 1 5.9 0 0.0 21 4.6 5.8 8.8 26.3 85.2 13.1 4 25 2.57 3.52 19.0
52 Shaun Hill DET 32 1 0 10 13 76.9 172 2 15.4 0 0.0 46 13.2 16.3 17.2 172.0 157.9 76.75 0 0 13.23 16.31 0.0
53 Bruce Gradkowski CIN 29 3 0 5 11 45.5 65 0 0.0 0 0.0 44 5.9 5.9 13.0 21.7 64.6 54.68 0 0 5.91 5.91 0.0 1 1
54 Kyle Orton DAL 30 1 0 9 10 90.0 89 1 10.0 0 0.0 21 8.9 10.9 9.9 89.0 137.1 99.38 0 0 8.90 10.90 0.0
55 T.J. Yates HOU 25 4 0 4 10 40.0 38 0 0.0 1 10.0 19 3.8 -0.7 9.5 9.5 11.7 2.07 1 0 3.45 -0.64 9.1
56 Matt Flynn SEA 27 3 0 5 9 55.6 68 0 0.0 0 0.0 27 7.6 7.6 13.6 22.7 79.9 23.36 0 0 7.56 7.56 0.0
57 Tim Tebow NYJ 25 12 2 6 8 75.0 39 0 0.0 0 0.0 23 4.9 4.9 6.5 3.3 84.9 17.6 2 7 3.20 3.20 20.0
58 Dan Orlovsky TAM 29 1 0 4 7 57.1 51 0 0.0 0 0.0 24 7.3 7.3 12.8 51.0 80.1 34.91 0 0 7.29 7.29 0.0
59 Rusty Smith TEN 25 1 0 3 5 60.0


Where someone plays has a bearing on how I'd analyze someone. Always.

Never said there was a "Super QB Conference", never said....ahhh, to hell with it. It seems like nothing really matters. In that case I suppose we can all agree we hope he's good.
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Re: Well, anyone sniffing or sip[ping the Kool Aid?

Unread postby SoulDawg74 » Tue Jul 30, 2013 6:44 pm

mattvan1 wrote:
peeker643 wrote: I do think Weeden can be (at best) "serviceable" in this offense with these coaches.


Ha! I knew, deep down inside, you were secretly optimistic. :hide:


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Serviceable is not analogous with a Franchise talent.

But it might be good enough to win until one shows up ,
so long as they keep building .

If Weeds turns that corner and starts making noise this year with everything catered to his every whim , with two of the best QB friendly coaches in football , then amen amen ..........

If not , that search must continue , and that's all there is about that .

Nothing wrong with hoping for the best ,but ignoring the fact our guy was drafted beyond the age when most NFL players have long since hung up their cleats , before he took his first snap , cannot be dismissed no matter how many pom poms rose water or hopeful notions .

We need him to be good , we deserve to have the best , but like Clint Eastwood splained to Gene Hackman just before that Bullet tore his head off.

Deserves got nothing to do with it .

We'll go as far as our QB takes us , that's it that's all.

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Re: Well, anyone sniffing or sip[ping the Kool Aid?

Unread postby Hikohadon » Tue Jul 30, 2013 8:17 pm

jb wrote:Here's you list of QB;s:

Rk Tm Age G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD
1 Matthew Stafford DET 24 16 15 4-12-0 435 727 59.8 4967 20 2.8 17 2.3 57 6.8 6.3 11.4 310.4 79.8 58.93 29 212 6.29 5.81 3.8 3 3
2 Drew Brees* NOR 33 16 16 7-9-0 422 670 63.0 5177 43 6.4 19 2.8 80 7.7 7.7 12.3 323.6 96.3 67.86 26 190 7.17 7.17 3.7 1 2
3 Tony Romo DAL 32 16 16 8-8-0 425 648 65.6 4903 28 4.3 19 2.9 85 7.6 7.1 11.5 306.4 90.5 62.74 36 263 6.78 6.35 5.3 5 5
4 Tom Brady* NWE 35 16 16 12-4-0 401 637 63.0 4827 34 5.3 8 1.3 83 7.6 8.1 12.0 301.7 98.7 77.05 27 182 7.00 7.48 4.1 1 2
5 Andrew Luck IND 23 16 15 11-5-0 339 627 54.1 4374 23 3.7 18 2.9 70 7.0 6.4 12.9 273.4 76.5 64.99 41 246 6.18 5.66 6.1 4 7
6 Matt Ryan* ATL 27 16 15 13-3-0 422 615 68.6 4719 32 5.2 14 2.3 80 7.7 7.7 11.2 294.9 99.1 74.5 28 210 7.01 7.03 4.4 5 7
7 Peyton Manning*+ DEN 36 16 16 13-3-0 400 583 68.6 4659 37 6.3 11 1.9 71 8.0 8.4 11.6 291.2 105.8 84.11 21 137 7.49 7.89 3.5 3 3
8 Carson Palmer OAK 33 15 15 4-11-0 345 565 61.1 4018 22 3.9 14 2.5 64 7.1 6.8 11.6 267.9 85.3 44.72 26 199 6.46 6.14 4.4 2 2
9 Josh Freeman TAM 24 16 16 7-9-0 306 558 54.8 4065 27 4.8 17 3.0 95 7.3 6.9 13.3 254.1 81.6 53.13 26 161 6.68 6.30 4.5 1 1
10 Aaron Rodgers* GNB 29 16 16 11-5-0 371 552 67.2 4295 39 7.1 8 1.4 73 7.8 8.5 11.6 268.4 108.0 72.48 51 293 6.64 7.33 8.5 2 3
11 Sam Bradford STL 25 16 16 7-8-1 328 551 59.5 3702 21 3.8 13 2.4 80 6.7 6.4 11.3 231.4 82.6 51.56 35 233 5.92 5.64 6.0 4 3
12 Matt Schaub* HOU 31 16 15 12-4-0 350 544 64.3 4008 22 4.0 12 2.2 60 7.4 7.2 11.5 250.5 90.7 62.57 27 216 6.64 6.47 4.7 2 2
13 Eli Manning* NYG 31 16 16 9-7-0 321 536 59.9 3948 26 4.9 15 2.8 80 7.4 7.1 12.3 246.8 87.2 67.39 19 136 6.87 6.59 3.4 3 3
14 Joe Flacco BAL 27 16 16 10-6-0 317 531 59.7 3817 22 4.1 10 1.9 61 7.2 7.2 12.0 238.6 87.7 46.82 35 227 6.34 6.33 6.2 4 4
15 Andy Dalton CIN 25 16 16 10-6-0 329 528 62.3 3669 27 5.1 16 3.0 59 6.9 6.6 11.2 229.3 87.4 50.73 46 229 5.99 5.68 8.0 1 3
16 Philip Rivers SDG 31 16 16 7-9-0 338 527 64.1 3606 26 4.9 15 2.8 80 6.8 6.5 10.7 225.4 88.6 40.57 49 311 5.72 5.45 8.5
17 Brandon Weeden CLE 29 15 15 5-10-0 297 517 57.4 3385 14 2.7 17 3.3 71 6.5 5.6 11.4 225.7 72.6 26.6 28 186 5.87 4.98 5.1 1 1
18 Ryan Fitzpatrick BUF 30 16 15 6-10-0 306 505 60.6 3400 24 4.8 16 3.2 68 6.7 6.3 11.1 212.5 83.3 45.77 30 161 6.05 5.61 5.6 0 1
19 Cam Newton CAR 23 16 16 7-9-0 280 485 57.7 3869 19 3.9 12 2.5 82 8.0 7.6 13.8 241.8 86.2 54.22 36 244 6.96 6.65 6.9 1 1
20 Ryan Tannehill MIA 24 16 16 7-9-0 282 484 58.3 3294 12 2.5 13 2.7 80 6.8 6.1 11.7 205.9 76.1 52.28 35 234 5.90 5.23 6.7 1 1
21 Christian Ponder MIN 24 16 16 10-6-0 300 483 62.1 2935 18 3.7 12 2.5 65 6.1 5.7 9.8 183.4 81.2 53.77 32 184 5.34 4.99 6.2 1 2
22 Mark Sanchez NYJ 26 15 15 6-9-0 246 453 54.3 2883 13 2.9 18 4.0 66 6.4 5.2 11.7 192.2 66.9 23.37 34 209 5.49 4.36 7.0 1 1
23 Ben Roethlisberger PIT 30 13 13 7-6-0 284 449 63.3 3265 26 5.8 8 1.8 82 7.3 7.6 11.5 251.2 97.0 62.75 30 182 6.44 6.77 6.3 2 3
24 Jay Cutler CHI 29 15 15 10-5-0 255 434 58.8 3033 19 4.4 14 3.2 60 7.0 6.4 11.9 202.2 81.3 51.91 38 250 5.90 5.37 8.1 1 1
25 Robert Griffin III* WAS 22 15 15 9-6-0 258 393 65.6 3200 20 5.1 5 1.3 88 8.1 8.6 12.4 213.3 102.4 71.41 30 217 7.05 7.47 7.1 3 2
26 Russell Wilson SEA 24 16 16 11-5-0 252 393 64.1 3118 26 6.6 10 2.5 67 7.9 8.1 12.4 194.9 100.0 69.59 33 203 6.84 7.01 7.7 4 5
27 Michael Vick PHI 32 10 10 3-7-0 204 351 58.1 2362 12 3.4 10 2.8 77 6.7 6.1 11.6 236.2 78.1 46.03 28 153 5.83 5.27 7.4 3 3
28 Jake Locker TEN 24 11 11 4-7-0 177 314 56.4 2176 10 3.2 11 3.5 71 6.9 6.0 12.3 197.8 74.0 48.07 25 151 5.97 5.10 7.4 0 1
29 Chad Henne JAX 27 10 6 1-5-0 166 308 53.9 2084 11 3.6 11 3.6 81 6.8 5.9 12.6 208.4 72.2 29.9 28 169 5.70 4.88 8.3
Rk Tm Age G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD
30 Blaine Gabbert JAX 23 10 10 1-9-0 162 278 58.3 1662 9 3.2 6 2.2 80 6.0 5.7 10.3 166.2 77.4 40.94 22 158 5.01 4.71 7.3 1 1
31 Matt Cassel KAN 30 9 8 1-7-0 161 277 58.1 1796 6 2.2 12 4.3 46 6.5 5.0 11.2 199.6 66.7 36.54 19 101 5.73 4.31 6.4 1 1
32 Nick Foles PHI 23 7 6 1-5-0 161 265 60.8 1699 6 2.3 5 1.9 46 6.4 6.0 10.6 242.7 79.1 45.33 20 131 5.50 5.13 7.0 1 1
33 Matt Hasselbeck TEN 37 8 5 2-3-0 138 221 62.4 1367 7 3.2 5 2.3 37 6.2 5.8 9.9 170.9 81.0 48.49 14 103 5.38 5.02 6.0 2 2
34 Colin Kaepernick SFO 25 13 7 5-2-0 136 218 62.4 1814 10 4.6 3 1.4 57 8.3 8.6 13.3 139.5 98.3 76.79 16 112 7.27 7.55 6.8 2 2
35 Alex Smith SFO 28 10 9 6-2-1 153 218 70.2 1737 13 6.0 5 2.3 55 8.0 8.1 11.4 173.7 104.1 70.09 24 137 6.61 6.76 9.9
36 John Skelton ARI 24 7 6 1-5-0 109 201 54.2 1132 2 1.0 9 4.5 40 5.6 3.8 10.4 161.7 55.4 13.89 15 98 4.79 3.10 6.9 1 1
37 Brady Quinn KAN 28 10 8 1-7-0 112 197 56.9 1141 2 1.0 8 4.1 57 5.8 4.2 10.2 114.1 60.1 27.4 21 123 4.67 3.20 9.6
38 Kevin Kolb ARI 28 6 5 3-2-0 109 183 59.6 1169 8 4.4 3 1.6 46 6.4 6.5 10.7 194.8 86.1 37.96 27 159 4.81 4.93 12.9 2 2
39 Ryan Lindley ARI 23 7 4 1-3-0 89 171 52.0 752 0 0.0 7 4.1 28 4.4 2.6 8.4 107.4 46.7 9.82 12 91 3.61 1.89 6.6
40 Charlie Batch PIT 38 3 2 1-1-0 45 70 64.3 475 1 1.4 4 5.7 43 6.8 4.5 10.6 158.3 64.9 34.76 3 12 6.34 4.15 4.1 1 1
41 Brian Hoyer ARI 27 2 1 0-1-0 30 53 56.6 330 1 1.9 2 3.8 53 6.2 4.9 11.0 165.0 65.8 37.66 4 30 5.26 4.04 7.0
42 Byron Leftwich PIT 32 2 1 0-1-0 25 53 47.2 272 0 0.0 1 1.9 37 5.1 4.3 10.9 136.0 54.9 34.02 3 24 4.43 3.63 5.4 0 0
43 Jason Campbell CHI 31 6 1 0-1-0 32 51 62.7 265 2 3.9 2 3.9 45 5.2 4.2 8.3 44.2 72.8 23.49 6 49 3.79 2.91 10.5
44 Kirk Cousins WAS 24 3 1 1-0-0 33 48 68.8 466 4 8.3 3 6.3 77 9.7 8.6 14.1 155.3 101.6 72.69 3 27 8.61 7.53 5.9 1 1
45 Matt Leinart OAK 29 2 0 16 33 48.5 115 0 0.0 1 3.0 20 3.5 2.1 7.2 57.5 44.4 11.31 1 9 3.12 1.79 2.9
46 Thaddeus Lewis CLE 25 1 1 0-1-0 22 32 68.8 204 1 3.1 1 3.1 23 6.4 5.6 9.3 204.0 83.3 58.63 3 14 5.43 4.71 8.6
47 Greg McElroy NYJ 24 2 1 0-1-0 19 31 61.3 214 1 3.2 1 3.2 30 6.9 6.1 11.3 107.0 79.2 45.17 11 71 3.40 2.81 26.2 1 1
48 Terrelle Pryor OAK 23 3 1 0-1-0 14 30 46.7 155 2 6.7 1 3.3 38 5.2 5.0 11.1 51.7 70.8 59.66 0 0 5.17 5.00 0.0
49 Tyrod Taylor BAL 23 6 0 17 29 58.6 179 0 0.0 1 3.4 25 6.2 4.6 10.5 29.8 62.3 45.01 3 30 4.66 3.25 9.4
50 Matt Moore MIA 28 10 0 11 19 57.9 131 1 5.3 0 0.0 37 6.9 7.9 11.9 13.1 96.6 59.73 2 9 5.81 6.76 9.5
51 Colt McCoy CLE 25 3 0 9 17 52.9 79 1 5.9 0 0.0 21 4.6 5.8 8.8 26.3 85.2 13.1 4 25 2.57 3.52 19.0
52 Shaun Hill DET 32 1 0 10 13 76.9 172 2 15.4 0 0.0 46 13.2 16.3 17.2 172.0 157.9 76.75 0 0 13.23 16.31 0.0
53 Bruce Gradkowski CIN 29 3 0 5 11 45.5 65 0 0.0 0 0.0 44 5.9 5.9 13.0 21.7 64.6 54.68 0 0 5.91 5.91 0.0 1 1
54 Kyle Orton DAL 30 1 0 9 10 90.0 89 1 10.0 0 0.0 21 8.9 10.9 9.9 89.0 137.1 99.38 0 0 8.90 10.90 0.0
55 T.J. Yates HOU 25 4 0 4 10 40.0 38 0 0.0 1 10.0 19 3.8 -0.7 9.5 9.5 11.7 2.07 1 0 3.45 -0.64 9.1
56 Matt Flynn SEA 27 3 0 5 9 55.6 68 0 0.0 0 0.0 27 7.6 7.6 13.6 22.7 79.9 23.36 0 0 7.56 7.56 0.0
57 Tim Tebow NYJ 25 12 2 6 8 75.0 39 0 0.0 0 0.0 23 4.9 4.9 6.5 3.3 84.9 17.6 2 7 3.20 3.20 20.0
58 Dan Orlovsky TAM 29 1 0 4 7 57.1 51 0 0.0 0 0.0 24 7.3 7.3 12.8 51.0 80.1 34.91 0 0 7.29 7.29 0.0
59 Rusty Smith TEN 25 1 0 3 5 60.0


Any ranking of QB's that has Stafford 1st - nay, in the Top 10 - is worth less than my morning toilet paper.

Oh, look, Carson Palmer's 8th.

Lord God that list is for shit.
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Re: Well, anyone sniffing or sip[ping the Kool Aid?

Unread postby justmebd » Tue Jul 30, 2013 9:57 pm

*Fart Noise*

Yep, that's what I think at this point in time. Hopefully my Give A Shit Meter will start working again, but right now it's as broke as Hiko's.

FWIW, I said a few months ago Weeds won't last the season. I really hope I eat those words.
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Re: Well, anyone sniffing or sip[ping the Kool Aid?

Unread postby HoodooMan » Tue Jul 30, 2013 9:59 pm

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Re: Well, anyone sniffing or sip[ping the Kool Aid?

Unread postby Triple-S » Wed Jul 31, 2013 12:12 am

Team has worn me down with their consistent level of "Not bad enough to land the number 1 pick, not good enough to even get a .500 record" level of suck.

My level of optimism isn't really there any more. It used to be, but I keep expecting terrible things or just for things to not fall through as expected.

I mean, we'll see I guess. I'd like to be discussing the playoffs one day on this board, that would indeed be a refreshing change, but I am not at all convinced about what Weeden is going to be. We'll see with this new offense, but I'm not holding my breathe.

Pretty sad I'm more excited about who's going to win the "Astor Cup" in IndyCar this year over this new season of Browns training camp.
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Re: Well, anyone sniffing or sip[ping the Kool Aid?

Unread postby Erie Warrior » Wed Jul 31, 2013 5:39 am

These threads are my favorite.

Lipstick on a turd- regardless of whether or not they are pretty to kiss, you're still eating shit.

Weeds is a bum, until he's not. Same at the Browns are bad, until they're not. They haven't not been bad in 13 years- why would this year be any different?
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Re: Well, anyone sniffing or sip[ping the Kool Aid?

Unread postby jb » Wed Jul 31, 2013 10:58 am

Hikohadon wrote:
Any ranking of QB's that has Stafford 1st - nay, in the Top 10 - is worth less than my morning toilet paper.

Oh, look, Carson Palmer's 8th.

Lord God that list is for shit.



Its a straight sort on whatever default aggregate stat used by PFR you dork. No subjectivity. maybe Rating, maybe total QBR. IDK. IDC.

I just lazy copy/pasted from PFR to grab a listing of any QB that tyhrew a pass in 2012.

I defy anyone to take that and logically try to churn out some just-enough-knowledge-to-be-dumb bullshit about generalizing successful QB origins. people look for conclusions and trends when all they have are case studies.
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Re: Well, anyone sniffing or sip[ping the Kool Aid?

Unread postby jb » Wed Jul 31, 2013 10:59 am

Erie Warrior wrote:These threads are my favorite.

Lipstick on a turd- regardless of whether or not they are pretty to kiss, you're still eating shit.

Weeds is a bum, until he's not. Same at the Browns are bad, until they're not. They haven't not been bad in 13 years- why would this year be any different?



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Re: Well, anyone sniffing or sip[ping the Kool Aid?

Unread postby Hikohadon » Wed Jul 31, 2013 11:21 am

jb wrote:
Hikohadon wrote:
Any ranking of QB's that has Stafford 1st - nay, in the Top 10 - is worth less than my morning toilet paper.

Oh, look, Carson Palmer's 8th.

Lord God that list is for shit.



Its a straight sort on whatever default aggregate stat used by PFR you dork. No subjectivity. maybe Rating, maybe total QBR. IDK. IDC.

I just lazy copy/pasted from PFR to grab a listing of any QB that tyhrew a pass in 2012.

I defy anyone to take that and logically try to churn out some just-enough-knowledge-to-be-dumb bullshit about generalizing successful QB origins. people look for conclusions and trends when all they have are case studies.


I'm not blaming you, you didn't create it.

I'm just saying that if you have an algorithm that ranks Matt Stafford as the #1 QB in the NFL, it just exemplifies how difficult it is to quantify/categorize QB's and how useless stats are.

Which is why I cringe when I hear that Banner is investing in all sorts of new statistical analysis, since too much faith in numbers will convince you that your eyes don't know what they're seeing.
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Re: Well, anyone sniffing or sip[ping the Kool Aid?

Unread postby jb » Wed Jul 31, 2013 11:27 am

Hikohadon wrote:
jb wrote:
Hikohadon wrote:
Any ranking of QB's that has Stafford 1st - nay, in the Top 10 - is worth less than my morning toilet paper.

Oh, look, Carson Palmer's 8th.

Lord God that list is for shit.



Its a straight sort on whatever default aggregate stat used by PFR you dork. No subjectivity. maybe Rating, maybe total QBR. IDK. IDC.

I just lazy copy/pasted from PFR to grab a listing of any QB that tyhrew a pass in 2012.

I defy anyone to take that and logically try to churn out some just-enough-knowledge-to-be-dumb bullshit about generalizing successful QB origins. people look for conclusions and trends when all they have are case studies.


I'm not blaming you, you didn't create it.

I'm just saying that if you have an algorithm that ranks Matt Stafford as the #1 QB in the NFL, it just exemplifies how difficult it is to quantify/categorize QB's and how useless stats are.

Which is why I cringe when I hear that Banner is investing in all sorts of new statistical analysis, since too much faith in numbers will convince you that your eyes don't know what they're seeing.


BTW - Stafford is the other SEC starting QB I forgot about up thread.

I think a good case, hopefully, for the SABRmetrics of football may be Chris owens if we;'re lucky. I read that his stats and performance in slot was far worse than on outside. That helps.

O and D tendencies? Player go-to tendencies? Stats are key. You'd better know them cold. There are no bad tools. Just bad applications.
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Re: Well, anyone sniffing or sip[ping the Kool Aid?

Unread postby Hikohadon » Wed Jul 31, 2013 12:16 pm

jb wrote:O and D tendencies? Player go-to tendencies? Stats are key. You'd better know them cold. There are no bad tools. Just bad applications.


Totally fine with that.

Not so fine in their over-reliance regarding player evaluation.
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Re: Well, anyone sniffing or sip[ping the Kool Aid?

Unread postby motherscratcher » Wed Jul 31, 2013 12:44 pm

Hikohadon wrote:
jb wrote:O and D tendencies? Player go-to tendencies? Stats are key. You'd better know them cold. There are no bad tools. Just bad applications.


Totally fine with that.

Not so fine in their over-reliance regarding player evaluation.


Wouldn't that be an example of a bad application?
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Re: Well, anyone sniffing or sip[ping the Kool Aid?

Unread postby bac5665 » Wed Jul 31, 2013 12:50 pm

Statistics needs to be taught in public schools starting in middle schools. The inability of people who use statistics to use them correctly and the inability of people reading statistics to understand them is just appalling.
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Re: Well, anyone sniffing or sip[ping the Kool Aid?

Unread postby Hikohadon » Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:54 pm

motherscratcher wrote:
Hikohadon wrote:
jb wrote:O and D tendencies? Player go-to tendencies? Stats are key. You'd better know them cold. There are no bad tools. Just bad applications.


Totally fine with that.

Not so fine in their over-reliance regarding player evaluation.


Wouldn't that be an example of a bad application?


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Re: Well, anyone sniffing or sip[ping the Kool Aid?

Unread postby HoodooMan » Wed Jul 31, 2013 2:19 pm

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Re: Well, anyone sniffing or sip[ping the Kool Aid?

Unread postby mattvan1 » Wed Jul 31, 2013 2:52 pm

jb wrote:
Hikohadon wrote:
jb wrote:
Hikohadon wrote:
Any ranking of QB's that has Stafford 1st - nay, in the Top 10 - is worth less than my morning toilet paper.

Oh, look, Carson Palmer's 8th.

Lord God that list is for shit.



Its a straight sort on whatever default aggregate stat used by PFR you dork. No subjectivity. maybe Rating, maybe total QBR. IDK. IDC.

I just lazy copy/pasted from PFR to grab a listing of any QB that tyhrew a pass in 2012.

I defy anyone to take that and logically try to churn out some just-enough-knowledge-to-be-dumb bullshit about generalizing successful QB origins. people look for conclusions and trends when all they have are case studies.


I'm not blaming you, you didn't create it.

I'm just saying that if you have an algorithm that ranks Matt Stafford as the #1 QB in the NFL, it just exemplifies how difficult it is to quantify/categorize QB's and how useless stats are.

Which is why I cringe when I hear that Banner is investing in all sorts of new statistical analysis, since too much faith in numbers will convince you that your eyes don't know what they're seeing.


BTW - Stafford is the other SEC starting QB I forgot about up thread.

I think a good case, hopefully, for the SABRmetrics of football may be Chris owens if we;'re lucky. I read that his stats and performance in slot was far worse than on outside. That helps.

O and D tendencies? Player go-to tendencies? Stats are key. You'd better know them cold. There are no bad tools. Just bad applications.


IDK

These guys seem to be making progress with Defense-adjusted Yards Above Replacement and Defense-adjusted Value Over Average

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb

I mean Weeds is ranked 36th out of 39 QBs who threw >100 passes. And that's exactly where Peeks has him ranked !! :hide:
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Re: Well, anyone sniffing or sip[ping the Kool Aid?

Unread postby jb » Wed Jul 31, 2013 3:06 pm

HoodooMan wrote:l



<------------- not getting it
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Re: Well, anyone sniffing or sip[ping the Kool Aid?

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leadpipe wrote:I'll type even slower...


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Re: Well, anyone sniffing or sip[ping the Kool Aid?

Unread postby danwismar » Wed Jul 31, 2013 3:42 pm

So, is anyone excited enough to buy two Dawg Pound seats for the August 8 exhibition opener at half the face value?

I mean, THAT's excited!

The team promises your cell phone will work, and it won't take a half hour to get through the turnstiles. What more could you ask for?

What? More than one series for the starters?

I did say half-price.
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Re: Well, anyone sniffing or sip[ping the Kool Aid?

Unread postby jb » Wed Jul 31, 2013 4:00 pm

HoodooMan wrote:
leadpipe wrote:I'll type even slower...


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<---- remains eluded
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Re: Well, anyone sniffing or sip[ping the Kool Aid?

Unread postby jb » Wed Jul 31, 2013 4:00 pm

danwismar wrote:So, is anyone excited enough to buy two Dawg Pound seats for the August 8 exhibition opener at half the face value?

I mean, THAT's excited!

The team promises your cell phone will work, and it won't take a half hour to get through the turnstiles. What more could you ask for?

What? More than one series for the starters?

I did say half-price.



Oh just post that they're free already.
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Re: Well, anyone sniffing or sip[ping the Kool Aid?

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill 2.0 » Wed Jul 31, 2013 5:54 pm

I wandered over to the table and had a Dixie cup....not bad but, as always, could use more sugar

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Re: Well, anyone sniffing or sip[ping the Kool Aid?

Unread postby Hikohadon » Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:52 pm

jb wrote:
HoodooMan wrote:
leadpipe wrote:I'll type even slower...


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<---- remains eluded


So far he has said "I'll "
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Re: Well, anyone sniffing or sip[ping the Kool Aid?

Unread postby motherscratcher » Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:05 pm

Hikohadon wrote:
motherscratcher wrote:
Hikohadon wrote:
jb wrote:O and D tendencies? Player go-to tendencies? Stats are key. You'd better know them cold. There are no bad tools. Just bad applications.


Totally fine with that.

Not so fine in their over-reliance regarding player evaluation.


Wouldn't that be an example of a bad application?


Yes, Mo, it is.


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Re: Well, anyone sniffing or sip[ping the Kool Aid?

Unread postby AttackOffense » Fri Aug 02, 2013 3:07 pm

Hikohadon wrote:I am interested enough to pay attention.

I just feel like there are too many unanswered questions. Not all of them will have a positive answer as the season kicks into gear. This is probably a 6 win team.

Mindless optimism (or pessimism) is fun and all, but I acknowledge that it is fundamentally useless. I don't have to be optimistic to want to watch these games.

And any Deney Terrio reference gets a :clap:


Browns are improved in personnel and coaching. That's a fact. But weaknesses in lack of depth at TE and in the secondary are going to hurt this team. Already in camp Gipson and Ward are hurt and the back up for Ward is ...Aubrey???!!!

Really, really bad the Browns didn't use the 4th and 5th picks to strengthen the depth in the secondary like the Redskins did. Skins took S Rambo in the 5th round and he's taking first team defense reps and intercepting passes all over the plac.e
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Re: Well, anyone sniffing or sip[ping the Kool Aid?

Unread postby jb » Fri Aug 02, 2013 4:01 pm

AttackOffense wrote:
Hikohadon wrote:I am interested enough to pay attention.

I just feel like there are too many unanswered questions. Not all of them will have a positive answer as the season kicks into gear. This is probably a 6 win team.

Mindless optimism (or pessimism) is fun and all, but I acknowledge that it is fundamentally useless. I don't have to be optimistic to want to watch these games.

And any Deney Terrio reference gets a :clap:


Browns are improved in personnel and coaching. That's a fact. But weaknesses in lack of depth at TE and in the secondary are going to hurt this team. Already in camp Gipson and Ward are hurt and the back up for Ward is ...Aubrey???!!!

Really, really bad the Browns didn't use the 4th and 5th picks to strengthen the depth in the secondary like the Redskins did. Skins took S Rambo in the 5th round and he's taking first team defense reps and intercepting passes all over the plac.e
Lombodomy maybe the only GM in the entire NFL who felt the 2013 draft was thin in depth.



You did not just put out another Bicari Ramnbo post.

Nuh uh. IDK just read that.
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Re: Well, anyone sniffing or sip[ping the Kool Aid?

Unread postby JacksonDysonJackson » Tue Aug 06, 2013 10:00 am

I'm really not that worried about the DBs. I can live with Haden, Owens, Skrine, Ward, and Gipson/Bademosi when we have this front 7. I'm sure it is just the summer enthusiasm, but I really think that crew has the potential to be great.
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Re: Well, anyone sniffing or sip[ping the Kool Aid?

Unread postby pod2dawg » Wed Aug 07, 2013 12:53 pm

Answer to the thread question: No.
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