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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:01 am

The outcome isn't surprising. It's sad, but it was a near impossible case to prove. A kid in the ground for no reason at all.

Plus "George Zimmerman Defense" is a term I think we'll hear a lot more of in the future.


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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby FUDU » Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:43 am

pup wrote:Let the stalking begin.

You know how many people are going to follow FUDU around town just waiting for him to turn around and say something so hey can pop a cap in his ass? Someone will be selling tickets to get in that line.


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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby peeker643 » Sun Jul 14, 2013 1:13 am

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:There are far too many doubts for a murder conviction. Plus I believe most murders involves intent, and as much as I don't like Zimmerman, I do not believe his initial intention was to shoot Travyon.

If I was deciding his fate, i'd give him 7-10 years with parole possible after 5.

But the legal system lacks common sense and is put into the hands of 12 people who are too stupid to figure out an excuse to get out of jury duty.


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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill 2.0 » Sun Jul 14, 2013 9:11 am

Justice!

The race baiters lose....and one more hoodie wearing thug bites the dust...

"If I had a son he'd look just like Trayvon"......you know, the one where he's blowing dope, flashing gang signals and posing with a cheap 9MM

This case never should have gone to trial and the cops knew it too that's why they didn't press charges till 44 days later...after politically correct pressure from the professional Race Baiters

Obama is Black but Zimmerman is not Hispanic...fucking DUH! to the umpteenth.....

Meanwhile......


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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby motherscratcher » Sun Jul 14, 2013 9:20 am

Hold up, you mean there's a picture of him with a GM smoking marijuana like a cigarette? I didn't know that. I guess he did deserve to die after all.
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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill 2.0 » Sun Jul 14, 2013 10:15 am

motherscratcher wrote:Hold up, you mean there's a picture of him with a GM smoking marijuana like a cigarette? I didn't know that. I guess he did deserve to die after all.



What a dumb fucking take...

Of course not, dumbass, but, he was not the innocent 12 yr old "child" he was made out to be in the press

You are obviously one that bought into the race baiting hype and refuse to believe that the actual physical confrontation was initiated by Martin...in fact, you and e0 totally dismiss even the thought of such a scenario

All you have is Zimmerman should never have gotten out of his car...which is of course obvious to even the most ignorant of human beings

Martin should have run home....

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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby JJN » Sun Jul 14, 2013 10:40 am

Fire Marshall Bill 2.0 wrote:All you have is Zimmerman should never have gotten out of his car...which is of course obvious to even the most ignorant of human beings

Martin should have run home....

Relativity ^^^^^^


So Zimmerman has the right to stand his ground with a gun, but Trayvon can't stand his ground with his fists to the man stalking him. ...And justice for all.
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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby motherscratcher » Sun Jul 14, 2013 10:54 am

Fire Marshall Bill 2.0 wrote:
motherscratcher wrote:Hold up, you mean there's a picture of him with a GM smoking marijuana like a cigarette? I didn't know that. I guess he did deserve to die after all.



What a dumb fucking take...

Of course not, dumbass, but, he was not the innocent 12 yr old "child" he was made out to be in the press

You are obviously one that bought into the race baiting hype and refuse to believe that the actual physical confrontation was initiated by Martin...in fact, you and e0 totally dismiss even the thought of such a scenario

All you have is Zimmerman should never have gotten out of his car...which is of course obvious to even the most ignorant of human beings

Martin should have run home....

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You think some photos of T smoking dope, wearing a hoodie, and holding a gun should have any relevance on this case and I'm the one with a stupid fucking take.

Never mind that 90% of the humps on this board, you included, own guns, have smoked dope, and probably have a hoodie hanging in the closet somewhere.

So my thought that photos of TM looking more thug than he actually is is bullshit, while your thought that the other photos make Tam look more innocent than he actually is is spot on correct. Fucking hypocrite.

Martin should have run home. Yeah, run, boy, run. Know your place.
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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill 2.0 » Sun Jul 14, 2013 11:31 am

Obama = Black, not white

Zimmerman = Hispanic, white

There's your case right there...its all the prosecution ever had...race baiting

Deal with it

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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby peeker643 » Sun Jul 14, 2013 11:40 am

You know, it could be true that:

TM is a thug
GZ is a racist asshole
GZ was wrong, killed a teenager but it was not criminal given the letter of the law and the charges.
Not every fucking white guy who understands above is a racist. No more so than any black guy who's upset is a militant.

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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby motherscratcher » Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:12 pm

Fire Marshall Bill 2.0 wrote:Obama = Black, not white

Zimmerman = Hispanic, white

There's your case right there...its all the prosecution ever had...race baiting

Deal with it

Me, I'm happy someone, finally, who was deemed guilty before innocent by people like you, e0 and the media, is now innocent based on the evidence presented in a court of law and judged by a jury that was chosen and accepted by both sides


Not sure WTF Obama has to do with anything, but whatever.

Justice served, I guess. Just like OJ.
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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby motherscratcher » Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:16 pm

peeker643 wrote:You know, it could be true that:

TM is a thug
GZ is a racist asshole
GZ was wrong, killed a teenager but it was not criminal given the letter of the law and the charges.
Not every fucking white guy who understands above is a racist. No more so than any black guy who's upset is a militant.

Just saying...



Don't disagree with anything there Peek. Not only possible, but likely as well. One of my points has been that thugs (if TM is to be defined as one) don't deserve to die for being thugs.

I don't think that everyone who might agree with the verdict is a racist. That's ridiculous. What I find perplexing is people who seem to think that race play no part in any of this. I just don't get that.

Also, it's been brought to our attention that President Obama is black. Because relevance.
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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby FUDU » Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:51 pm

mo I think some, if not many, people felt race played no part b/c there is so little to prove such. That whole angle of this story carried so much speculation it was ridiculous, for both sides to some degree. What was interesting on some level was the insistence of finding out GZ's past (to get into his character and "state of mind") but yet there were not the same insistence or convenience of finding out TM's past, for the same purpose. Plus, from the moment GZ saw TM, did he know he was black. IIRC he saw TM from behind, TM was wearing a hoodie, on a dark and rainy night. Could GZ even tell TM was black, could TM really tell GZ was a cracker?

Plus have you ever called 911 or the non emergency number for the police? They ALWAYS ask for a description of a person if you are in fact calling about another person. So this notion that GZ called screaming there's a black kid outside doing bad things is absurd. Doesn't mean GZ wasn't a biased individual either.
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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby Spin » Sun Jul 14, 2013 1:27 pm

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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby FUDU » Sun Jul 14, 2013 1:41 pm



So are you part of the tit for tat crowd now that this is over?

Who couldn't do this meaningless exercise all day long...

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/26/suspect-attacked-white-teen-because-am-angry-about-trayvon/

It's all senseless and idiotic.
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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby GodHatesClevelandSport » Sun Jul 14, 2013 3:53 pm

Fire Marshall Bill 2.0 wrote:"If I had a son he'd look just like Trayvon"......you know, the one where he's blowing dope, flashing gang signals and posing with a cheap 9MM


All things that Trayvon was doing when Zimmerman stalked and killed him.
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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill 2.0 » Sun Jul 14, 2013 4:35 pm

motherscratcher wrote:
Fire Marshall Bill 2.0 wrote:Obama = Black, not white

Zimmerman = Hispanic, white

There's your case right there...its all the prosecution ever had...race baiting

Deal with it

Me, I'm happy someone, finally, who was deemed guilty before innocent by people like you, e0 and the media, is now innocent based on the evidence presented in a court of law and judged by a jury that was chosen and accepted by both sides


Not sure WTF Obama has to do with anything, but whatever.

Justice served, I guess. Just like OJ.



JFC......

"If I had a son he'd look like Trayvon"

Yeah, that was real helpful....how about he just says...

"We are A Republic of States and what I think has not one fucking thing to do with Florida law"

....and for the love of all things holy did you just compare this to OJ?????

::doh::

FTR, I'm happy to see this comparison from a Trayvon supporter ^^^^^^^ ...mostly because its ludicrous
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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill 2.0 » Sun Jul 14, 2013 4:42 pm

FUDU wrote:


So are you part of the tit for tat crowd now that this is over?

Who couldn't do this meaningless exercise all day long...

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/26/suspect-attacked-white-teen-because-am-angry-about-trayvon/

It's all senseless and idiotic.


Feh...that's just another day in Riot City...

...and its not national news because its black on white crime

And it could also be said its not national news because it happens so often to do so would be racist...

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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill 2.0 » Sun Jul 14, 2013 4:43 pm

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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby motherscratcher » Sun Jul 14, 2013 4:51 pm

Fire Marshall Bill 2.0 wrote:
motherscratcher wrote:
Fire Marshall Bill 2.0 wrote:Obama = Black, not white

Zimmerman = Hispanic, white

There's your case right there...its all the prosecution ever had...race baiting

Deal with it

Me, I'm happy someone, finally, who was deemed guilty before innocent by people like you, e0 and the media, is now innocent based on the evidence presented in a court of law and judged by a jury that was chosen and accepted by both sides


Not sure WTF Obama has to do with anything, but whatever.

Justice served, I guess. Just like OJ.



JFC......

"If I had a son he'd look like Trayvon"

Yeah, that was real helpful....how about he just says...

"We are A Republic of States and what I think has not one fucking thing to do with Florida law"

....and for the love of all things holy did you just compare this to OJ?????

::doh::

FTR, I'm happy to see this comparison from a Trayvon supporter ^^^^^^^ ...mostly because its ludicrous


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Not sure how this isn't a description of OJ.

Maybe you should see a neurologist.
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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby leadpipe » Sun Jul 14, 2013 5:09 pm

The politicians fail us again.

FMB is correct. The case should have never been tried. No grand jury, no arrest, no nothing - until the politicos stepped in.

Which, of course, is why the trial was so one sided. If the prosecution had anything to work with from a JUDICIAL sense, it woulda made it to the grand jury.

And when a police officer sits in that courtroom as says as much to a jury, well, that's a big problem for the state. This, and the defenses medical examiner....it was a bulldozing with those two deals alone.

I think, the real crux of the problem - to those of us that can look objectively, is that we see a guy in GZ who should face some punishment for what he did, yet, if you watched that trial, you're bat shit crazy ILO if you think he warranted a guilty verdict by the letter of the law. But again, as I mentioned earlier, this ain't what we're getting from the circus on TV - we're getting the 5% on each side screaming stupid shit, that ignore any evidence that goes against their preconceived notions.

But, just as I wouldn't waste a minute giving a shit if GZ was "wrongly" convicted, I'm not wasting a minute giving a shithe's out either. Peeker is accurate with his take above, although he forgot one of his signature cappers;

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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill 2.0 » Sun Jul 14, 2013 5:21 pm

Not sure how this isn't a description of OJ.



Well, for starters he didn't lop off anyone's head with a knife....

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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Sun Jul 14, 2013 5:45 pm

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Zimmerman was carrying a Kel Tec for fuck's sake. That's like one step above a fucking Hi Point.


The race baiters lose....and one more hoodie wearing thug bites the dust..


This might take the cake for the dumbest fucking shit ever posted on this site........ and I've read Da Phist posts, so...... Congrats, I guess.

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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby FUDU » Sun Jul 14, 2013 5:59 pm

leadpipe wrote:The politicians fail us again.

FMB is correct. The case should have never been tried. No grand jury, no arrest, no nothing - until the politicos stepped in.

Which, of course, is why the trial was so one sided. If the prosecution had anything to work with from a JUDICIAL sense, it woulda made it to the grand jury.

And when a police officer sits in that courtroom as says as much to a jury, well, that's a big problem for the state. This, and the defenses medical examiner....it was a bulldozing with those two deals alone.

I think, the real crux of the problem - to those of us that can look objectively, is that we see a guy in GZ who should face some punishment for what he did, yet, if you watched that trial, you're bat shit crazy ILO if you think he warranted a guilty verdict by the letter of the law. But again, as I mentioned earlier, this ain't what we're getting from the circus on TV - we're getting the 5% on each side screaming stupid shit, that ignore any evidence that goes against their preconceived notions.

But, just as I wouldn't waste a minute giving a shit if GZ was "wrongly" convicted, I'm not wasting a minute giving a shithe's out either. Peeker is accurate with his take above, although he forgot one of his signature cappers;

"Pass the beer nuts."

Lots of good points LP.

IMO the PC state we live in doesn't allow objectivity to rule the day in this case, and at the same time the letter of the law doesn't offer a perfect solution. One that satisfies people willing to look at this whole clusterfuck of a situation with a degree of reason.
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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Sun Jul 14, 2013 6:05 pm

I hear Edward Snowden is looking for a roommate. That would be a reality show i'd watch. Chubby Cuban Double Chin & The Nerd.
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Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Sun Jul 14, 2013 6:15 pm

Aaron Burr shot and killed Alexander Hamilton. Justice is America kinda got off to a rocky start.
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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby dmiles » Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:21 am

Not long after the verdict was read we got the text that the baseball games were moved. Although no rioting ended up happening, good call, I think people were rightly concerned given all the chatter.

- Didn't care for the typical NeoCons who tend to love the Police State otherwise, spiking the football for Zimmerman last night on my facebook feed.
- Sure the parents are never going to read your opinion, but no matter how stupid you think it is that people cared so much about Trayvon getting justice, that doesn't mean you turn around and get so sucked in yourself.
- Even if I thought the case was a joke, the parents were brought into this circus, caught up in the hype and hope GZ went down and they were hurting, chill out man. Race Baiter's bait, so what? That's the fucking game, that's how it is played. No different that Focus on Family baiting with Gay Marriage.

- Headline on Drudge saying FBI is telling DOJ NO on filing a civil rights lawsuit that the FBI couldn't find any evidence that this guy was a racist. which will lead to...
- Rumors of the defense team picking up steam on the lawsuit against NBC. My guess any attorney worth his salt will cash in big-time, hell they fired a few producers at that point NBC is admitting what was done was wrong. Now it's just a question of what is the dollar amount to settle this case quietly. Given that I am sure our Media wants to continue the facade that they aren't Pravda I would assume NBC really doesn't want this story in the news cycle.
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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby kman_holla8 » Mon Jul 15, 2013 1:02 am

motherscratcher wrote:
One of my points has been that thugs (if TM is to be defined as one) don't deserve to die for being thugs.



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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Mon Jul 15, 2013 6:15 am

You read Drudge, LOL
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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill 2.0 » Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:59 am

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:
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Zimmerman was carrying a Kel Tec for fuck's sake. That's like one step above a fucking Hi Point.


The race baiters lose....and one more hoodie wearing thug bites the dust..


This might take the cake for the dumbest fucking shit ever posted on this site........ and I've read Da Phist posts, so...... Congrats, I guess.

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Suck it, old fuck.


Just because you're a big headed loudmouthed giant with a size 20 foot doesn't make you right

...and I know more about pizza, guns, chicks, motorcycles, carpentry deep sea diving, underwater welding, physics, geometric algebra, algebraic geometry and math that you do...

...but I have no use for large and small engine repair, animal husbandry or politics

...and I especially know more about hand grenades than your dumb fucking ass

So suck it Lurch!
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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill 2.0 » Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:30 am

(Reuters) - A pit bull named Big Boi began menacing George and Shellie Zimmerman in the fall of 2009.

The first time the dog ran free and cornered Shellie in their gated community in Sanford, Florida, George called the owner to complain. The second time, Big Boi frightened his mother-in-law's dog. Zimmerman called Seminole County Animal Services and bought pepper spray. The third time he saw the dog on the loose, he called again. An officer came to the house, county records show.

"Don't use pepper spray," he told the Zimmermans, according to a friend. "It'll take two or three seconds to take effect, but a quarter second for the dog to jump you," he said.

"Get a gun."

That November, the Zimmermans completed firearms training at a local lodge and received concealed-weapons gun permits. In early December, another source close to them told Reuters, the couple bought a pair of guns. George picked a Kel-Tec PF-9 9mm handgun, a popular, lightweight weapon.

By June 2011, Zimmerman's attention had shifted from a loose pit bull to a wave of robberies that rattled the community, called the Retreat at Twin Lakes. The homeowners association asked him to launch a neighborhood watch, and Zimmerman would begin to carry the Kel-Tec on his regular, dog-walking patrol - a violation of neighborhood watch guidelines but not a crime.

Few of his closest neighbors knew he carried a gun - until two months ago.

On February 26, George Zimmerman shot and killed unarmed black teenager Trayvon Martin in what Zimmerman says was self-defense. The furor that ensued has consumed the country and prompted a re-examination of guns, race and self-defense laws enacted in nearly half the United States.

During the time Zimmerman was in hiding, his detractors defined him as a vigilante who had decided Martin was suspicious merely because he was black. After Zimmerman was finally arrested on a charge of second-degree murder more than six weeks after the shooting, prosecutors portrayed him as a violent and angry man who disregarded authority by pursuing the 17-year-old.

But a more nuanced portrait of Zimmerman has emerged from a Reuters investigation into Zimmerman's past and a series of incidents in the community in the months preceding the Martin shooting.

Based on extensive interviews with relatives, friends, neighbors, schoolmates and co-workers of Zimmerman in two states, law enforcement officials, and reviews of court documents and police reports, the story sheds new light on the man at the center of one of the most controversial homicide cases in America.

The 28-year-old insurance-fraud investigator comes from a deeply Catholic background and was taught in his early years to do right by those less fortunate. He was raised in a racially integrated household and himself has black roots through an Afro-Peruvian great-grandfather - the father of the maternal grandmother who helped raise him.

A criminal justice student who aspired to become a judge, Zimmerman also concerned himself with the safety of his neighbors after a series of break-ins committed by young African-American men.

Though civil rights demonstrators have argued Zimmerman should not have prejudged Martin, one black neighbor of the Zimmermans said recent history should be taken into account.

"Let's talk about the elephant in the room. I'm black, OK?" the woman said, declining to be identified because she anticipated backlash due to her race. She leaned in to look a reporter directly in the eyes. "There were black boys robbing houses in this neighborhood," she said. "That's why George was suspicious of Trayvon Martin."

"MIXED" HOUSEHOLD

George Michael Zimmerman was born in 1983 to Robert and Gladys Zimmerman, the third of four children. Robert Zimmerman Sr. was a U.S. Army veteran who served in Vietnam in 1970, and was stationed at Fort Myer in Arlington, Virginia, in 1975 with Gladys Mesa's brother George. Zimmerman Sr. also served two tours in Korea, and spent the final 10 years of his 22-year military career in the Pentagon, working for the Department of Defense, a family member said.

In his final years in Virginia before retiring to Florida, Robert Zimmerman served as a magistrate in Fairfax County's 19th Judicial District.

Robert and Gladys met in January 1975, when George Mesa brought along his army buddy to his sister's birthday party. She was visiting from Peru, on vacation from her job there as a physical education teacher. Robert was a Baptist, Gladys was Catholic. They soon married, in a Catholic ceremony in Alexandria, and moved to nearby Manassas.

Gladys came to lead a small but growing Catholic Hispanic enclave within the All Saints Catholic Church parish in the late 1970s, where she was involved in the church's outreach programs. Gladys would bring young George along with her on "home visits" to poor families, said a family friend, Teresa Post.

"It was part of their upbringing to know that there are people in need, people more in need than themselves," said Post, a Peruvian immigrant who lived with the Zimmermans for a time.

Post recalls evening prayers before dinner in the ethnically diverse Zimmerman household, which included siblings Robert Jr., Grace, and Dawn. "It wasn't only white or only Hispanic or only black - it was mixed," she said.

Zimmerman's maternal grandmother, Cristina, who had lived with the Zimmermans since 1978, worked as a babysitter for years during Zimmerman's childhood. For several years she cared for two African-American girls who ate their meals at the Zimmerman house and went back and forth to school each day with the Zimmerman children.

"They were part of the household for years, until they were old enough to be on their own," Post said.

Zimmerman served as an altar boy at All Saints from age 7 to 17, church members said.

"He wasn't the type where, you know, 'I'm being forced to do this,' and a dragging-his-feet Catholic," said Sandra Vega, who went to high school with George and his siblings. "He was an altar boy for years, and then worked in the rectory too. He has a really good heart."

George grew up bilingual, and by age 10 he was often called to the Haydon Elementary School principal's office to act as a translator between administrators and immigrant parents. At 14 he became obsessed with becoming a Marine, a relative said, joining the after-school ROTC program at Grace E. Metz Middle School and polishing his boots by night. At 15, he worked three part-time jobs - in a Mexican restaurant, for the rectory, and washing cars - on nights and weekends, to save up for a car.

After graduating from Osbourn High School in 2001, Zimmerman moved to Lake Mary, Florida, a town neighboring Sanford. His parents purchased a retirement home there in 2002, in part to bring Cristina, who suffers from arthritis, to a warmer climate.

YOUNG INSURANCE AGENT

On his own at 18, George got a job at an insurance agency and began to take classes at night to earn a license to sell insurance. He grew friendly with a real estate agent named Lee Ann Benjamin, who shared office space in the building, and later her husband, John Donnelly, a Sanford attorney.

"George impressed me right off the bat as just a real go-getter," Donnelly said. "He was working days and taking all these classes at night, passing all the insurance classes, not just for home insurance, but auto insurance and everything. He wanted to open his own office - and he did."

In 2004, Zimmerman partnered with an African-American friend and opened up an Allstate insurance satellite office, Donnelly said.

Then came 2005, and a series of troubles. Zimmerman's business failed, he was arrested, and he broke off an engagement with a woman who filed a restraining order against him.

That July, Zimmerman was charged with resisting arrest, violence, and battery of an officer after shoving an undercover alcohol-control agent who was arresting an under-age friend of Zimmerman's at a bar. He avoided conviction by agreeing to participate in a pre-trial diversion program that included anger-management classes.

In August, Zimmerman's fiancee at the time, Veronica Zuazo, filed a civil motion for a restraining order alleging domestic violence. Zimmerman reciprocated with his own order on the same grounds, and both orders were granted. The relationship ended.

In 2007 he married Shellie Dean, a licensed cosmetologist, and in 2009 the couple rented a townhouse in the Retreat at Twin Lakes. Zimmerman had bounced from job to job for a couple of years, working at a car dealership and a mortgage company. At times, according to testimony from Shellie at a bond hearing for Zimmerman last week, the couple filed for unemployment benefits.

Zimmerman enrolled in Seminole State College in 2009, and in December 2011 he was permitted to participate in a school graduation ceremony, despite being a course credit shy of his associate's degree in criminal justice. Zimmerman was completing that course credit when the shooting occurred.

On March 22, nearly a month after the shooting and with the controversy by then swirling nationwide, the school issued a press release saying it was taking the "unusual, but necessary" step of withdrawing Zimmerman's enrollment, citing "the safety of our students on campus as well as for Mr. Zimmerman."

A NEIGHBORHOOD IN FEAR

By the summer of 2011, Twin Lakes was experiencing a rash of burglaries and break-ins. Previously a family-friendly, first-time homeowner community, it was devastated by the recession that hit the Florida housing market, and transient renters began to occupy some of the 263 town houses in the complex. Vandalism and occasional drug activity were reported, and home values plunged. One resident who bought his home in 2006 for $250,000 said it was worth $80,000 today.

At least eight burglaries were reported within Twin Lakes in the 14 months prior to the Trayvon Martin shooting, according to the Sanford Police Department. Yet in a series of interviews, Twin Lakes residents said dozens of reports of attempted break-ins and would-be burglars casing homes had created an atmosphere of growing fear in the neighborhood.

In several of the incidents, witnesses identified the suspects to police as young black men. Twin Lakes is about 50 percent white, with an African-American and Hispanic population of about 20 percent each, roughly similar to the surrounding city of Sanford, according to U.S. Census data.

One morning in July 2011, a black teenager walked up to Zimmerman's front porch and stole a bicycle, neighbors told Reuters. A police report was taken, though the bicycle was not recovered.

But it was the August incursion into the home of Olivia Bertalan that really troubled the neighborhood, particularly Zimmerman. Shellie was home most days, taking online courses towards certification as a registered nurse.

On August 3, Bertalan was at home with her infant son while her husband, Michael, was at work. She watched from a downstairs window, she said, as two black men repeatedly rang her doorbell and then entered through a sliding door at the back of the house. She ran upstairs, locked herself inside the boy's bedroom, and called a police dispatcher, whispering frantically.

"I said, 'What am I supposed to do? I hear them coming up the stairs!'" she told Reuters. Bertalan tried to coo her crying child into silence and armed herself with a pair of rusty scissors.

Police arrived just as the burglars - who had been trying to disconnect the couple's television - fled out a back door. Shellie Zimmerman saw a black male teen running through her backyard and reported it to police.

After police left Bertalan, George Zimmerman arrived at the front door in a shirt and tie, she said. He gave her his contact numbers on an index card and invited her to visit his wife if she ever felt unsafe. He returned later and gave her a stronger lock to bolster the sliding door that had been forced open.

"He was so mellow and calm, very helpful and very, very sweet," she said last week. "We didn't really know George at first, but after the break-in we talked to him on a daily basis. People were freaked out. It wasn't just George calling police ... we were calling police at least once a week."

In September, a group of neighbors including Zimmerman approached the homeowners association with their concerns, she said. Zimmerman was asked to head up a new neighborhood watch. He agreed.

"PLEASE CONTACT OUR CAPTAIN"

Police had advised Bertalan to get a dog. She and her husband decided to move out instead, and left two days before the shooting. Zimmerman took the advice.

"He'd already had a mutt that he walked around the neighborhood every night - man, he loved that dog - but after that home invasion he also got a Rottweiler," said Jorge Rodriguez, a friend and neighbor of the Zimmermans.

Around the same time, Zimmerman also gave Rodriguez and his wife, Audria, his contact information, so they could reach him day or night. Rodriguez showed the index card to Reuters. In neat cursive was a list of George and Shellie's home number and cell phones, as well as their emails.

Less than two weeks later, another Twin Lakes home was burglarized, police reports show. Two weeks after that, a home under construction was vandalized.

The Retreat at Twin Lakes e-newsletter for February 2012 noted: "The Sanford PD has announced an increased patrol within our neighborhood ... during peak crime hours.

"If you've been a victim of a crime in the community, after calling police, please contact our captain, George Zimmerman."

EMMANUEL BURGESS - SETTING THE STAGE

On February 2, 2012, Zimmerman placed a call to Sanford police after spotting a young black man he recognized peering into the windows of a neighbor's empty home, according to several friends and neighbors.

"I don't know what he's doing. I don't want to approach him, personally," Zimmerman said in the call, which was recorded. The dispatcher advised him that a patrol car was on the way. By the time police arrived, according to the dispatch report, the suspect had fled.

On February 6, the home of another Twin Lakes resident, Tatiana Demeacis, was burglarized. Two roofers working directly across the street said they saw two African-American men lingering in the yard at the time of the break-in. A new laptop and some gold jewelry were stolen. One of the roofers called police the next day after spotting one of the suspects among a group of male teenagers, three black and one white, on bicycles.

Police found Demeacis's laptop in the backpack of 18-year-old Emmanuel Burgess, police reports show, and charged him with dealing in stolen property. Burgess was the same man Zimmerman had spotted on February 2.

Burgess had committed a series of burglaries on the other side of town in 2008 and 2009, pleaded guilty to several, and spent all of 2010 incarcerated in a juvenile facility, his attorney said. He is now in jail on parole violations.

Three days after Burgess was arrested, Zimmerman's grandmother was hospitalized for an infection, and the following week his father was also admitted for a heart condition. Zimmerman spent a number of those nights on a hospital room couch.

Ten days after his father was hospitalized, Zimmerman noticed another young man in the neighborhood, acting in a way he found familiar, so he made another call to police.

"We've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy," Zimmerman said, as Trayvon Martin returned home from the store.

The last time Zimmerman had called police, to report Burgess, he followed protocol and waited for police to arrive. They were too late, and Burgess got away.

This time, Zimmerman was not so patient, and he disregarded police advice against pursuing Martin.

"These assholes," he muttered in an aside, "they always get away."

After the phone call ended, several minutes passed when the movements of Zimmerman and Martin remain a mystery.

Moments later, Martin lay dead with a bullet in his chest.

(Editing by David Adams, Daniel Trotta and Prudence Crowther)

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/ ... 8H20120425
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Unread postby motherscratcher » Mon Jul 15, 2013 9:09 am

In retrospect it worked out for George with "self defense", but I think he might have been better off going with the "Big Scary Dog" defense right from the begining.
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NEIGHBORHOOD IN FEAR
By the summer of 2011, Twin Lakes was experiencing a rash of burglaries and break-ins. Previously a family-friendly, first-time homeowner community, it was devastated by the recession that hit the Florida housing market, and transient renters began to occupy some of the 263 town houses in the complex. Vandalism and occasional drug activity were reported, and home values plunged. One resident who bought his home in 2006 for $250,000 said it was worth $80,000 today.
At least eight burglaries were reported within Twin Lakes in the 14 months prior to the Trayvon Martin shooting, according to the Sanford Police Department. Yet in a series of interviews, Twin Lakes residents said dozens of reports of attempted break-ins and would-be burglars casing homes had created an atmosphere of growing fear in the neighborhood.
In several of the incidents, witnesses identified the suspects to police as young black men. Twin Lakes is about 50 percent white, with an African-American and Hispanic population of about 20 percent each, roughly similar to the surrounding city of Sanford, according to U.S. Census data.
One morning in July 2011, a black teenager walked up to Zimmerman's front porch and stole a bicycle, neighbors told Reuters. A police report was taken, though the bicycle was not recovered.
But it was the August incursion into the home of Olivia Bertalan that really troubled the neighborhood, particularly Zimmerman. Shellie was home most days, taking online courses towards certification as a registered nurse.
On August 3, Bertalan was at home with her infant son while her husband, Michael, was at work. She watched from a downstairs window, she said, as two black men repeatedly rang her doorbell and then entered through a sliding door at the back of the house. She ran upstairs, locked herself inside the boy's bedroom, and called a police dispatcher, whispering frantically.
"I said, 'What am I supposed to do? I hear them coming up the stairs!'" she told Reuters. Bertalan tried to coo her crying child into silence and armed herself with a pair of rusty scissors.
Police arrived just as the burglars - who had been trying to disconnect the couple's television - fled out a back door. Shellie Zimmerman saw a black male teen running through her backyard and reported it to police.
After police left Bertalan, George Zimmerman arrived at the front door in a shirt and tie, she said. He gave her his contact numbers on an index card and invited her to visit his wife if she ever felt unsafe. He returned later and gave her a stronger lock to bolster the sliding door that had been forced open.
"He was so mellow and calm, very helpful and very, very sweet," she said last week. "We didn't really know George at first, but after the break-in we talked to him on a daily basis. People were freaked out. It wasn't just George calling police ... we were calling police at least once a week."
In September, a group of neighbors including Zimmerman approached the homeowners association with their concerns, she said. Zimmerman was asked to head up a new neighborhood watch. He agreed.
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Moral....

Quit watching CNN MSNBC...and CBS if it still exists

..and I would think a bunch of self described educated individuals which most here think they are would actually get some facts before the hanging...

^^^^ Waayyyy too much to ask

...and Obama should STFU because he has made himself part of the problem

The man had a chance to bring this country and the races together and all he has done is drive a wedge into it with a platform of fear, hate, racial division, a totally inept foreign policy, and a fucking travesty of an economy...

But I hear ya already even tho you haven't spoke...."Its all Bush's fault!"

He has failed miserably at every fucking thing he's touched esp in bringing unity to a divided nation

The man is a fucking plague
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Unread postby Spin » Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:35 am

Why is this even a case of black and white in the first place? GZ isn't white. The buzz surrounding this case is nothing more than an excuse by certain groups using it as a way to push their agenda. You never hear about him being expelled from school, and when they cleaned out his locker there were burglary tools in it. If there were a black tied up on Seymour Ave would there be this much hatred and threats?

And the one group most at fault for causing such a division in the US is the media.

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We're basically told to forget the Tsarnaev's were radical muslims.

It's very easy to see how the media (and those in control of it) are steering this country.
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Unread postby motherscratcher » Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:59 am

You forgot to type "liberal" a few times. I didn't think you were allowed to write "media" without its proper prefix.

As if there is anything driving the media outlets (and everything else) other than dollar signs. People need to wake up before Brian Williams completes his master plan of converting 'merica to sharia law by underreporting the Boston Bombing.
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motherscratcher wrote:As if there is anything driving the media outlets (and everything else) other than dollar signs.


You may be right. The more I watch TV, especially daytime TV and children's TV (Nick Jr and Disney Jr with the grandkids) it's painfully obvious who's watching TV now.
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The real question of today is, what matters more:

PC CULTURE!

FREEDOM OF STANDING GROUND!

RACISM!

RACISM ENDING!

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BTW: If you say PC Culture, I immediately deduct you to the level of FUDU.
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Fire Marshall Bill 2.0 wrote:
Cerebral_DownTime wrote:
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Zimmerman was carrying a Kel Tec for fuck's sake. That's like one step above a fucking Hi Point.


The race baiters lose....and one more hoodie wearing thug bites the dust..


This might take the cake for the dumbest fucking shit ever posted on this site........ and I've read Da Phist posts, so...... Congrats, I guess.

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Suck it, old fuck.


Just because you're a big headed loudmouthed giant with a size 20 foot doesn't make you right

...and I know more about pizza, guns, chicks, motorcycles, carpentry deep sea diving, underwater welding, physics, geometric algebra, algebraic geometry and math that you do...

...but I have no use for large and small engine repair, animal husbandry or politics

...and I especially know more about hand grenades than your dumb fucking ass

So suck it Lurch!



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Audie's Audie. He just says things to get me riled up because Audie is the old ass Harley Rider that pokes people online.

I just like him so I don't fight with him.
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PC CULTURE!
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END OF 'MURICA!
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PC culture
Criminals in this town used to believe in things...honor, respect.
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A man named Zeorge Gimmerman just opened a used clothing store in Luxembourg.
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Unread postby dmiles » Wed Jul 17, 2013 8:43 pm

Was in Sanford for a bit today. Little black and white kids playing together, a few teens all salt and pepper heading over to the park to play basketball. Joggers/walkers. I didn't even get the stink-eye from guys standing around in front of the convenience store. Went in to grab a water, a few brothers off to the side joking about something, didn't even stop and look when I came in (I was the only pasty guy in there). After the game stopped by another store, everyone being polite, greeting, bullshitting in line.

Unfortunately the cameras went down to the convention center for NAACP convention. All systems normal in Sanford.
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Time to go back to the wild west. Arm everyone. Step out of line, get your ass capped.

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Erie Warrior wrote:Time to go back to the wild west. Arm everyone. Step out of line, get your ass capped.

Thin the herd.

I'm trying to reconcile this with your need for the government to do everything possible just so you don't wet your bed at night. I must be missing something.
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I wet my bed on my own schedule, fuck you very much.
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