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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby FUDU » Sat Jul 06, 2013 5:02 pm

Ftr the killing isnt in dispute, it is a stipulated fact, its the surrounding events that are being debated in this case.
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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Sat Jul 06, 2013 5:26 pm

So do you refer to Tray as "darky"?
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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby FUDU » Sat Jul 06, 2013 5:36 pm

Me, no, but we know you refer to GZ types as "spics" dont we.

Just admit it eieio you convicted and hung GZ ten minutes after the media told you to. Sounds like you paid an awful lot of money to be stupid.
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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby Orenthal » Sat Jul 06, 2013 5:53 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:So do you refer to Tray as "darky"?


I find it ironic people say, "if you know what I mean," after saying the neighborhood is getting dark.
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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Sat Jul 06, 2013 6:27 pm

Better than the neighborhood getting a little too "Balkany".
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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby Orenthal » Sat Jul 06, 2013 7:59 pm

...but we obviously know what "dark" means. No need to say, "you know what I mean."
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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby pup » Sat Jul 06, 2013 10:20 pm

FUDU wrote:I dont disagree with that pup, if he gets convicted Im fine with that bc he did take a life. However it might not serve justice bc it might havr been self defense.

I assume you have kids, so if your kid pushed someone in the back and the other kid turned around and stuck his fist through uour kids face and proceeded to beat his ass is your kid entitled to self defense, despite being the aggressor? Legally and morally your kid has the right to self defense.

This very much breaks down to an issue of proportions and self defense, AND who are you and I to tell someone else when they have legitimate concerns of emminent danger?

Posted on a phone so Im not oing spelling or puncuation checks.


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If a kid pushes my kid, my kid kicks his ass and that kid pulls out a gun and shoots my kid, he better hope the cops find him.
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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby FUDU » Sat Jul 06, 2013 10:38 pm

My guess is you wouldn't think that if you kid ended up in the hospital from the beating though. So, from your reply, you see no relevance to equal force or disproportionate force? Am I reading you correctly? Also, you are of the opinion that any detail (no matter how significant or insig) from the moment GZ got out of his truck is irrelevant?

What if it is your kid getting pushed, is he instructed to bash the person's face in?
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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Sun Jul 07, 2013 1:17 am

Jesus Fucking Christ.

Basic goddamn rule: Don't start no shit, won't be no shit.

This is worse than an Albanian family reunion.
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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby pup » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:42 am

FUDU wrote:My guess is you wouldn't think that if you kid ended up in the hospital from the beating though. So, from your reply, you see no relevance to equal force or disproportionate force? Am I reading you correctly? Also, you are of the opinion that any detail (no matter how significant or insig) from the moment GZ got out of his truck is irrelevant?

What if it is your kid getting pushed, is he instructed to bash the person's face in?


Wow.

Would I be ok with it? Fuck no, it is my kid. Would i rather her gets his ass beat and goes to the hospital than he gets shot? Yes. If he started shit, got in over his head and ended up shooting the other one I would unfortunately be driving him to the local police station and handing him over.

Irrelevant? I wouldn't say irrelevant, but certainly less relevant than the dude carrying the gun got out of the vehicle. For a reason. Never going to know the real reason or his intent. But he certainly started a bad chain of events by getting out of his car. Whatever his "plan" was could have been executed by staying in his car and observing. As long as his "plan" was observation. If his plan had anything to do with harass or frighten, then he got himself into a situation in hindsight he was unable to handle. Resulting in him needed to "defend" himself with a gun.

As for the length of the beating my son would administer? All i can tell you is as a parent i will always attempt to teach my kids about consequences. I like to think i will try to arm both of my kids with as much information as possible for all kinds of situations and then do what every parent out there does every morning. Cross my fingers.
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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby Orenthal » Sun Jul 07, 2013 10:36 am

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:This is worse than an Albanian family reunion.


Let's stick to the facts. Blacks and hispanics...
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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby FUDU » Sun Jul 07, 2013 10:40 am

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:Jesus Fucking Christ.

Basic goddamn rule: Don't start no shit, won't be no shit.

This is worse than an Albanian family reunion.


This is where you're just not getting it, nobody knows who initiated the physical confrontation, b/c it has been stated that there was nothing illegal about anything done prior to the actual shooting. This is where the concept of self defense (or imperfect self defense) enters the conversation. It matters b/c of how the law will interpret this, which can impact how the jury then applies their verdict.
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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby jb » Sun Jul 07, 2013 12:43 pm

FUDU wrote:
It will probably end up being a manslaughter charge, if the judge so instructs the jury to do so.



I don;'t think that is an option. The prosectter would have had to do that.
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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby jb » Sun Jul 07, 2013 12:44 pm

What is "racism"? What is "prejudice"?
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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby FUDU » Sun Jul 07, 2013 12:54 pm

jb from the analysts reviewing this day by day I believe they have stated the judge can recommend manslaughter (if jury is feels murder is not sustainable) if the judge sees the evidence provided supporting such a manslaughter charge.

RE: what is racism & prejudice? It really is moot here, despite so much push from media and politics to make that the focus, mainly due to it being such speculation and subjective review of GZ's character. This is about the context of self defense mostly.

Question for you since you seem to be even keeled on this, what if everything transpired exactly as been presented to us, BUT TM shot and killed GZ? Now what? Does it somehow change the major focus of this case, does it bring a different focus to the actual trial and the charges? Would self defense be discussed as TM's justification for killing GZ?
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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Sun Jul 07, 2013 4:00 pm

FUDU wrote:
Cerebral_DownTime wrote:Jesus Fucking Christ.

Basic goddamn rule: Don't start no shit, won't be no shit.

This is worse than an Albanian family reunion.


This is where you're just not getting it, nobody knows who initiated the physical confrontation, b/c it has been stated that there was nothing illegal about anything done prior to the actual shooting. This is where the concept of self defense (or imperfect self defense) enters the conversation. It matters b/c of how the law will interpret this, which can impact how the jury then applies their verdict.


Just like you don't get basic goddamn common sense. And talking in legalese you just parrot from TV, is not impressive.
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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby FUDU » Sun Jul 07, 2013 4:40 pm

I get basic goddamn sense just fine, evidenced by the fact that I actually recognize the possibility that this could have went down either way, and recognize the importance of the process in coming to a conclusion, and that people are innocent until proven guilty, not guilty b/c the first entity to report the story told you to think that way.

Don't worry CDT GZ just might spend a lot of time in jail, and if not b/c he is acquitted he'll probably get killed by somebody that has nothing to do with this, you'll sleep just fine.

Frankly I'm confused as how you don't see two sides to this b/c you normally don't get overly subjective, you're virtually obtuse on this.
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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:07 pm

Because this whole thing is senseless and could have been prevented.


And please don't suggest that just because the verdict does come out the way I think it should, that I would be okay with Zimmerman's murder.
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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby FUDU » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:49 pm

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:Because this whole thing is senseless and could have been prevented.


And please don't suggest that just because the verdict does come out the way I think it should, that I would be okay with Zimmerman's murder.

Agreed it could have been prevented, I see opportunities for both men to have avoided this. IMO if GZ had premeditated intentions of taking TM or anyone out that night he would have done it from afar and drove off.
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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby davemanddd » Sun Jul 07, 2013 8:37 pm

can't wait for the riots!!! :hide:
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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby jb » Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:57 am

FUDU wrote:jb from the analysts reviewing this day by day I believe they have stated the judge can recommend manslaughter (if jury is feels murder is not sustainable) if the judge sees the evidence provided supporting such a manslaughter charge.

RE: what is racism & prejudice? It really is moot here, despite so much push from media and politics to make that the focus, mainly due to it being such speculation and subjective review of GZ's character. This is about the context of self defense mostly.

Question for you since you seem to be even keeled on this, what if everything transpired exactly as been presented to us, BUT TM shot and killed GZ? Now what? Does it somehow change the major focus of this case, does it bring a different focus to the actual trial and the charges? Would self defense be discussed as TM's justification for killing GZ?



I see it that way.

I maintain this is a "he said, he's dead" situation. Its really sad and needless but we'll never know what happened at the actual moments up to act once the two met.
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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby Orenthal » Mon Jul 08, 2013 4:21 pm

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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby leadpipe » Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:32 pm

Orenthal wrote:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/08/chicago-shootings_n_3561407.html

200? That is tragic.


According to that last cat, it's the cops fault for not policing the streets.....

And 200 is an improvement over last year???
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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby Orenthal » Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:46 am

Yup neither police officers or community watch people dare tread the mean streets of Chicago.
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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Tue Jul 09, 2013 3:27 pm

Chicago should really pass some super strict gun laws.
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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby mattvan1 » Tue Jul 09, 2013 3:48 pm

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:Chicago should really pass some super strict gun laws.


Just send Zimmerman to Chi-Town. He'll have it cleaned up in a jiffy.
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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:30 pm

I don't think that will work.
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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

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Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I don't think that will work.


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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Tue Jul 09, 2013 9:44 pm

Just send FUDU, his Dart and his guns to Chicago. Running around with guns and killing people is legal self-defense in his world, we might as well use and focus his racist hate.
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Unread postby FUDU » Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:02 pm

Few Hispanics in Chitown? Is that why you're not interested.
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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby dmiles » Wed Jul 10, 2013 12:49 am

Why wasn't manslaughter the way to go? If two guys get into a barfight, (no weapons) and one dude cracks the guy's skull in just that spot that causes brain hemorrhaging and death, do they charge that guy with Murder? I don't follow killings enough to see what is typical when one brother beats another to death. I guess like everything it depends on the prosecution.
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Unread postby jb » Wed Jul 10, 2013 12:24 pm

dmiles wrote:Why wasn't manslaughter the way to go?



becasu ethe case was sol politicized IMO.
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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby jfiling » Wed Jul 10, 2013 3:13 pm

At least the feds are taking a "hands-off" approach to this case.

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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby FUDU » Wed Jul 10, 2013 5:24 pm

jb wrote:
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becasu ethe case was sol politicized IMO.


Agreed, IMO there's a chance there was actually political pressure to shoot for murder.
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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Wed Jul 10, 2013 5:28 pm

FUDU leaves his own political board only to comment in a thread supporting racists that run around with guns and ignore instructions from the authorities....

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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby motherscratcher » Wed Jul 10, 2013 5:31 pm

It's perfect. I'm going to get me a pistola and next time I don't like the cut of someone's jib I'm just going to follow them around. Nothing against the law there. But, when they turn around to ask me what the fuck my problem is POW!!! shoot 'em in the face.

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Unread postby e0y2e3 » Wed Jul 10, 2013 5:36 pm

Manslaughter at worst mother, because bar fights are the same thing and stuff!
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Unread postby Orenthal » Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:23 pm

911 op is not an authority. Anyone here hear of the knockout game?
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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:40 pm

Orenthal wrote:911 op is not an authority. Anyone here hear of the knockout game?


I dare you to put on blackface and go prance around FUDU's neighborhood in a hoody...

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Unread postby FUDU » Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:42 pm

motherscratcher wrote:It's perfect. I'm going to get me a pistola and next time I don't like the cut of someone's jib I'm just going to follow them around. Nothing against the law there. But, when they turn around to ask me what the fuck my problem is POW!!! shoot 'em in the face.

Self defense.

Foolproof.

Are you of the opinion that it was impossible GZ could have been in position to claim and use self defense?

Frankly manslaughter is the appropriate charge here.
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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby FUDU » Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:42 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:
Orenthal wrote:911 op is not an authority. Anyone here hear of the knockout game?


I dare you to put on blackface and go prance around FUDU's neighborhood in a hoody...

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You're embarrassing yourself retard.
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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby FUDU » Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:47 pm

Orenthal wrote:911 op is not an authority. Anyone here hear of the knockout game?


Eye witness testifies GZ on bottom (multi colored jacket was seen on bottom), GZ jacket had grass stains on the back, TM's knees had grass stains on them. 3 rather significant pieces of the puzzle to reasonably understand the concept of how self defense works and is fluid at times.
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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:50 pm

FUDU wrote:I can ignore authorities, knowing they are on the way, chase someone down with a gun because they are "dark" and stick a pistol at them, but if they come at me and my gun their death FOR THE WIN!!! SELF DEFENSE 4 THE KLAN!!!!!


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Unread postby pup » Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:52 pm

Start a fight.
Get beat down.
Shoot.

The precedent being set would pretty much legalize murder in about 30 states.
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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:57 pm

pup wrote:Start a fight.
Get beat down.
Shoot.

The precedent being set would pretty much legalize murder in about 30 states.


Not to mention eventually ruin gun rights for those who aren't FUDU Zimmerman types and are actually respectful/qualified owners.

If I were a gun owner I'd be praying this doesn't legalize murder, because they'll be the ones that feel the backlash (beyond all those dead peeps).
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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby FUDU » Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:01 pm

pup wrote:Start a fight.
Get beat down.
Shoot.

The precedent being set would pretty much legalize murder in about 30 states.

Except it quite possibly didn't happen that way, not to mention the precedent was already set in Fla.

You fail to understand how fluid self defense can be, as explained in this case, but you keep on telling others when they can feel the need to defend themselves in the heat of a moment.
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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby FUDU » Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:03 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:
pup wrote:Start a fight.
Get beat down.
Shoot.

The precedent being set would pretty much legalize murder in about 30 states.


Riots are the only thing that can make this better. Loves me some riots.
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Re: Zimmerman, let the circus begin

Unread postby Orenthal » Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:03 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:
Orenthal wrote:911 op is not an authority. Anyone here hear of the knockout game?


I dare you to put on blackface and go prance around FUDU's neighborhood in a hoody...

Double,

No, triple dawg dare you!


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