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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby Love child of shawn kemp » Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:29 pm

Hoodoo I don't know if that took one minute or one hour to put together but I liked it either way
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby JJN » Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:29 pm

[quote="Bayou Tribe"]Everyone in the league is a "potential injury issue" if you want to get into semantics. The pick is top 5 protected, so it's not like its gonna net them Wiggins or Smart. I'm all for it, give me the proven guy who'se locked in for 4 more years.[/quote]

Kyrie has played more than twice as many games as Eric Gordon over the last two years. That's not a potential injury issue compared to most players.

Any of the picks 5-10 would have competed for number 1 this year. For a team that wasn't going anywhere with Holiday.
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby CAVSTRIBEBROWNSin07! » Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:38 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:BTW: This draft officially make TT over Vala a mortal wound.

Kyrie/TT/Waiters/Bennett <<< Kyrie/Vala/Waiters/Bennett. Scarily so.
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby Spin » Thu Jun 27, 2013 11:42 pm

Holy shit. Karasev, Crabbe, Felix. Last year's 1st rounder.

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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby Kingpin74 » Thu Jun 27, 2013 11:47 pm

I'm pumped about Bennett, players always tend to slim down as they get older and are guaranteed millions of dollars.
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby OldDawg » Fri Jun 28, 2013 12:09 am

I kinda liked the Crabbe pick. A lot of folks had him going in the 1st round if I recall. Kinda sorry to see him go. SI has Felix with a rating of a 1.5 on a 10-point scale, by far the lowest rated player drafted in the 1st 46 picks. They say he's an elite defender, though.

Shocked we drafted no C's in a draft that had a ton of 6'11+ post people.
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby HoodooMan » Fri Jun 28, 2013 12:26 am

Soooooo, Bynum?

While everyone else is fighting over Dwight?
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby bookelly » Fri Jun 28, 2013 12:45 am

OldDawg wrote:I kinda liked the Crabbe pick. A lot of folks had him going in the 1st round if I recall. Kinda sorry to see him go. SI has Felix with a rating of a 1.5 on a 10-point scale, by far the lowest rated player drafted in the 1st 46 picks. They say he's an elite defender, though.

Shocked we drafted no C's in a draft that had a ton of 6'11+ post people.


All of whom were hurt. I'm glad they stayed away from the bigs.

/To be fair...so was Bennett - tho his injury was much less severe.
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby pup » Fri Jun 28, 2013 12:57 am

HoodooMan wrote:Soooooo, Bynum?

While everyone else is fighting over Dwight?


Pretty much where my head is. Not sure if anything else makes much sense.
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby motherscratcher » Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:19 am

HoodooMan wrote:Soooooo, Bynum?

While everyone else is fighting over Dwight?


Does the guy who pushes his wheelchair up and down the court count as one of the players?
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby bookelly » Fri Jun 28, 2013 3:03 am

I watched a ton of Bynum play in LA and I know he's not a winner. Please no. Great physical skills, zero motor, zero motivation, zero attitude. Run away. RUN away.

Go grab a one year vet 3 and use you tax space to acquire picks. You'll have a decent team...maybe a playoff team...and then you can use all your picks to move up next year and grab your big. And maybe you -know - who will return to grab that wide open 3 slot.
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby Toxicadam » Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:09 am

Bynum's the kind of guy you can add if you already have an established culture/core. A team like OKC or SA.

When you are trying to build something? Aw, hell no.
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:11 am

This draft will either be very good, or very bad. That I am sure of.
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby Squints » Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:12 am

motherscratcher wrote:
HoodooMan wrote:Soooooo, Bynum?

While everyone else is fighting over Dwight?


Does the guy who pushes his wheelchair up and down the court count as one of the players?



Guy makes millions of dollars a year, no reason why that w/c shouldn't be electric.
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby jb » Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:17 am

I think this draft can be described as the best of a bad situation. If Noel is physically questionable then Bennett probably has the highest upside of any prospect. And teh cavs definately need upside more than anything. As constituted they aren't anywhere near good enough to even potantially make any push. If bennett hits upside, they have a shot if Kyrie can ever stay healthy and Waiters can develop.

Sergey ? IDK. Have to see if he can D at all and get his shot off. We'll see. same with any Euro.

My biggest disappointment was the dealing of Crabbe. I thought potentially he would have contributed to a nice 3 guard rotation and given us some shooting. I don't understand this whole "no 4 rookies" line.

Other kid looks like a nice perimeter defenfer prospect. 2nd rounder. Whadaya want?

NFW to Buynum. Woud rather see us pay out to Splinter.
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby motherscratcher » Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:25 am

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:This draft will either be very good, or very bad. That I am sure of.


Agree. Or mediocre. One of those things. You can cunt on it.


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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby rebelwithoutaclue » Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:25 am

Brad Grant just Brad Granted all over the draft. For the third year in a row. At this point, my only surprise is that he didn't take Derrick Williams over Kyrie Irving.



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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby motherscratcher » Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:27 am

rebelwithoutaclue wrote:Brad Grant just Brad Granted all over the draft. For the third year in a row. At this point, my only surprise is that he didn't take Derrick Williams over Kyrie Irving.



I keep bringing up TT over Vala to my friends. They've never heard of him and think I'm crazy.


Who's Brad Grant?
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby peeker643 » Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:33 am

Best part of the entire draft was Bebe's hair and little sundae cup hat on top of it, McLemore's shout out to an imprisoned brother and Karasevs absolutely ignoring any question a frightened and stunned Shane battier asked and just riffing on whatever the fuck he wanted in broken, incomprehensible english.

What a great draft.

And then it all took a back seat to HooDoo's story board.

I like the Bennett pick and the Karasev pick. I liked the Crabbe pick for 12 seconds til learning he was dealt. And I have no idea why you don't keep a kid like that who has in-the-gym range. If for nothing else as insurance on the non-english speaking white russian you just drafted.
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby motherscratcher » Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:44 am

The more I read about Bennett the more I like the pick. Wth Brown being a defensive coach and, um, struggling on offense it does make some sense to get players who can score all by their lonesome. Maybe Mike will be able to coach em up to respectability before he has a nervous breakdown.

Bennett...a bit of an undersized fat guy who can score. Barkley? :hide: That's my expert analysis after watching him play for zero minutes and reading a couple things about him.
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby HoodooMan » Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:59 am

jb wrote:NFW to Buynum. Woud rather see us pay out to Splinter.


<--not suggesting it, BTW.

It just appears to be the most open spot in the starting lineup, and we were supposedly in the mix to deal for him last year, weren't we?

If Bennet was a win-now pick, Bennet + Bynum is a win-right-the-fuck-now offseason.

What does Dan Gilbert want more? To hold onto that cap space and risk getting jilted at the altar again by Bron? Or to try to get a big who might even give Miami some matchup problems in the playoffs, bwa ha ha ha?
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby jb » Fri Jun 28, 2013 10:13 am

HoodooMan wrote:
jb wrote:NFW to Buynum. Woud rather see us pay out to Splinter.


<--not suggesting it, BTW.

It just appears to be the most open spot in the starting lineup, and we were supposedly in the mix to deal for him last year, weren't we?

If Bennet was a win-now pick, Bennet + Bynum is a win-right-the-fuck-now offseason.

What does Dan Gilbert want more? To hold onto that cap space and risk getting jilted at the altar again by Bron? Or to try to get a big who might even give Miami some matchup problems in the playoffs, bwa ha ha ha?



I know people hate this kind of stuff, but I think we do need some role vets to show these kids what time it is given MB as coach. Even if it means overpaying them some. But Bynum sure as hell ain't that guy.
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby jb » Fri Jun 28, 2013 10:15 am

peeker643 wrote: I liked the Crabbe pick for 12 seconds til learning he was dealt. And I have no idea why you don't keep a kid like that who has in-the-gym range. If for nothing else as insurance on the non-english speaking white russian you just drafted.



Dittoe. It doesn't make sense. I know he's a 2nd rounder and odds are this isn't the end of the world, but visions of Dell Curry and Danny Green are dancing in my head.

A rotation of Kyrie-Waiters, Waiters-Crabbe and Kyrie-carrick makes too much sense.
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby rbm0183 » Fri Jun 28, 2013 10:15 am

motherscratcher wrote:The more I read about Bennett the more I like the pick. Wth Brown being a defensive coach and, um, struggling on offense it does make some sense to get players who can score all by their lonesome. Maybe Mike will be able to coach em up to respectability before he has a nervous breakdown.

Bennett...a bit of an undersized fat guy who can score. Barkley? :hide: That's my expert analysis after watching him play for zero minutes and reading a couple things about him.


I'm not sure that there will never be another Barkley. He was 2-3 inches shorter than Bennett and still had him by 30 pounds even on Bennett's fattest day. But if he can rebound and score at 75% of Barkley's level while playing at least average D, I would definitely take it.
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby jb » Fri Jun 28, 2013 10:17 am

rbm0183 wrote:
motherscratcher wrote:The more I read about Bennett the more I like the pick. Wth Brown being a defensive coach and, um, struggling on offense it does make some sense to get players who can score all by their lonesome. Maybe Mike will be able to coach em up to respectability before he has a nervous breakdown.

Bennett...a bit of an undersized fat guy who can score. Barkley? :hide: That's my expert analysis after watching him play for zero minutes and reading a couple things about him.


I'm not sure that there will never be another Barkley. He was 2-3 inches shorter than Bennett and still had him by 30 pounds even on Bennett's fattest day. But if he can rebound and score at 75% of Barkley's level while playing at least average D, I would definitely take it.



maybe more of a Larry Johnson type if we're lucky.
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby peeker643 » Fri Jun 28, 2013 10:20 am

jb wrote:
HoodooMan wrote:
jb wrote:NFW to Buynum. Woud rather see us pay out to Splinter.


<--not suggesting it, BTW.

It just appears to be the most open spot in the starting lineup, and we were supposedly in the mix to deal for him last year, weren't we?

If Bennet was a win-now pick, Bennet + Bynum is a win-right-the-fuck-now offseason.

What does Dan Gilbert want more? To hold onto that cap space and risk getting jilted at the altar again by Bron? Or to try to get a big who might even give Miami some matchup problems in the playoffs, bwa ha ha ha?



I know people hate this kind of stuff, but I think we do need some role vets to show these kids what time it is given MB as coach. Even if it means overpaying them some. But Bynum sure as hell ain't that guy.


That's why bringing back Daniel Gibson is critical......... ;-) ;) :wink:
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby rk » Fri Jun 28, 2013 10:37 am

HoodooMan wrote:Soooooo, Bynum?

While everyone else is fighting over Dwight?


If we're going after big guys with upside and no knees I'd rather go get Oden on the cheap than try for Bynum. Risk on Oden pissing off Kyrie is almost nil. Not so with Bynum.
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby peeker643 » Fri Jun 28, 2013 10:40 am

rk wrote:
HoodooMan wrote:Soooooo, Bynum?

While everyone else is fighting over Dwight?


If we're going after big guys with upside and no knees I'd rather go get Oden on the cheap than try for Bynum. Risk on Oden pissing off Kyrie is almost nil. Not so with Bynum.


I guess if my choices are Bynum or Oden I'd go Oden too. But I'd actually prefer a big that's played more games than Kyrie has in the last two years.
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby HoodooMan » Fri Jun 28, 2013 10:45 am

Maybe we could sign them both and tie them together at the knees for maximum stability.

A 7-foot 4-arm center might be worth two spots on the floor.
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby peeker643 » Fri Jun 28, 2013 11:07 am

HoodooMan wrote:Maybe we could sign them both and tie them together at the knees for maximum stability.

A 7-foot 4-arm center might be worth two spots on the floor.


Ha!

That still doesn't qualify per my requirements of playing more games the last two seasons than Kyrie. Combined.

And that's not a bar that's all that high to begin with. :thumb up:
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby rebelwithoutaclue » Fri Jun 28, 2013 11:16 am

motherscratcher wrote:
rebelwithoutaclue wrote:Brad Grant just Brad Granted all over the draft. For the third year in a row. At this point, my only surprise is that he didn't take Derrick Williams over Kyrie Irving.



I keep bringing up TT over Vala to my friends. They've never heard of him and think I'm crazy.


Who's Brad Grant?



Christ, he's so terrible I don't even know his name. Chris Grant.


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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

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rebelwithoutaclue wrote:
motherscratcher wrote:
rebelwithoutaclue wrote:Brad Grant just Brad Granted all over the draft. For the third year in a row. At this point, my only surprise is that he didn't take Derrick Williams over Kyrie Irving.



I keep bringing up TT over Vala to my friends. They've never heard of him and think I'm crazy.


Who's Brad Grant?



Christ, he's so terrible I don't even know his name. Chris Grant.


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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby Madre Hill, Superstar » Fri Jun 28, 2013 12:06 pm

bookelly wrote:All of whom were hurt. I'm glad they stayed away from the bigs.


Not entirely sold if Noel dropped due to injury concerns, even if I jokingly referenced Greg Oden yesterday. The more I think on how he dropped past Len and Zeller, the more I think the greater concern was his inability to find the basket if you spotted him a stepladder and a pair of scissors. Oh, and that the Pelicans completely rolled the Sixers on the trade.
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Unread postby e0y2e3 » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:23 pm

If you didn't catch the presser, Brown's response to defensive concerns was awesome. Cited having had an awesome defense with Damon Jones and Yell Marshall getting burn....
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Roker + Chip On Shoulder = Bill Duke?
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Unread postby Rat_Tail » Fri Jun 28, 2013 3:23 pm

This interview is gold.

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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby jb » Fri Jun 28, 2013 3:38 pm

Rat_Tail wrote:This interview is gold.

http://youtu.be/WiflW1iZNVc



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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Fri Jun 28, 2013 3:56 pm

This team has a billion question marks right now and could end up a complete and utter disaster.

Priority one has to be getting some semblance of vet leadership in to avoid the problems that showed up last year. They also have to hope Speights doesn't take his option or the logjam at PF is going to be really fugly and Speights will just pout around all year.

That all said, they should at least be fun to watch.

TT over Vala hangs dreadfully over this franchise though, that much is undeniable.
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby HoodooMan » Fri Jun 28, 2013 4:02 pm

Has Vala actually been any good? Is there some story that 9/6 isn't telling? Isn't Tristan still at least a tradeable asset?

What's going to hang dreadfully over this franchise is Bynum's contract. : )
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby jb » Fri Jun 28, 2013 4:14 pm

HoodooMan wrote:Has Vala actually been any good? Is there some story that 9/6 isn't telling? Isn't Tristan still at least a tradeable asset?



Vala is ripping the cords for almost 9 pts and also has 6 boards in 23 MPG. Word is he's doing commercials in the GTR for President's Choice window cleaner with that rebound line for a 5.

His scoring average is TWICE as good as Biyombo's, so this is still an unmitigated DISASTER !
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Fri Jun 28, 2013 4:15 pm

Vala's game improved dramatically over the course of last year and as he finally started getting legit minutes.

Post allstar break he was 11 and 7 w/ 1.5 blocks and shot 58%. In April he was 15 and 6 w/ 2.4 blocks when he finally hit 30min a game. HIs per 48min stats were 18 and 12 w/ 2.5 blocks as a rookie....

TT in his second season had per 48 stats of 18 and 14.5 w/ 1.3 blocks a game in his second season, was a pretty bad defender too.

Vala shot 56% and 78% from the line and is physical and showed better defense than TT ever has. Looks like he'll grow into a legit rim defender.

TT shot 49% and 60%.

At the end of the day TT looks like he'll be a solid NBA player, but Vala looks like he'll be a solid at worst 7 foot center that can bang and defend and the later is one of the harder assets to find.

TT should have trade value though, just not sure how much.
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Fri Jun 28, 2013 4:15 pm

I still don't understand how Biyombo was worse in his second year, but yeah that's a bust. And that's a bust that prevented them from drafting Noel.
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby jb » Fri Jun 28, 2013 5:19 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:I still don't understand how Biyombo was worse in his second year, but yeah that's a bust. And that's a bust that prevented them from drafting Noel.



Rather have Vala than TT for sure.

I just don't think that is THE move that makes r breaks us in hindsight. i don't see Vala as anything more than an OK starting center. This roster is still coming together and we can get That Guy.

While TT makes me sick he was 4th overall, I still like the idea of Roker having interchangable parts. I watch games & coaches put in rotations where I say WTF and next thing I know teams are on runs. I don't see TT as toast with Bennett as another 4. I see TT as having some value depending on the rotation. They have different skill sets.

I just don't see TT over vala as the thing we'll point back to one day like the harper trade.
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Fri Jun 28, 2013 5:30 pm

Meh, athletic 7 footers that can defend, have soft hands and can run the pick and pop are one of the hardest things to find. If Len had shown any kind of ability to use his skill set in college he would have went #1 for that reason.

If they find that guy, gawd bless them, but it is really hard to do and Vala would just fit this roster like a damn glove. That's my main point.

Side note: Trey Burke rookie of the year is in the bag. Michigan Glory.
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby motherscratcher » Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:28 pm

Rat_Tail wrote:This interview is gold.

http://youtu.be/WiflW1iZNVc


I think he did pretty well there. Not bad for a guy clearly not comfortable with the language.
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby Kingpin74 » Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:53 pm

After reading as much as I could today, I'm now convinced that the Cavs could draft Amanda Bynes and the media around here would call it a savvy move. I guess I missed the part where Thompson and Waiters became these magical trump cards that validate any move this guy makes. They were weird picks in the 4th spot in the draft who are decent players so far, let's throw a parade. I'd love to poll the other 29 GM's in the league and ask if they'd trade Thompson and Waiters for Valanciunas and Barnes. Bennett could end up really good, I obviously hope he is, and this draft sucked, but lets stop pretending this was some brilliant dark horse move. He's a tweener who's 30 pounds overweight and plays no defense. Call me crazy, but I'm thinking a #1 pick shouldn't have that many question marks.
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby Gradysmanldy » Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:55 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:Vala's game improved dramatically over the course of last year and as he finally started getting legit minutes.

Post allstar break he was 11 and 7 w/ 1.5 blocks and shot 58%. In April he was 15 and 6 w/ 2.4 blocks when he finally hit 30min a game. HIs per 48min stats were 18 and 12 w/ 2.5 blocks as a rookie....

TT in his second season had per 48 stats of 18 and 14.5 w/ 1.3 blocks a game in his second season, was a pretty bad defender too.

Vala shot 56% and 78% from the line and is physical and showed better defense than TT ever has. Looks like he'll grow into a legit rim defender.

TT shot 49% and 60%.

At the end of the day TT looks like he'll be a solid NBA player, but Vala looks like he'll be a solid at worst 7 foot center that can bang and defend and the later is one of the harder assets to find.

TT should have trade value though, just not sure how much.


Its clear the league thinks TT is still shit, based on the trade rumors floated out there. Cavs definitely value TT and Dion a lot more than the rest of the league does.

I dont think TT is that terrible of a defender, and i'll bet he looks a whole lot better in Browns system. Also, having Zeller on the floor completely losing his man and looking more lost than a homeless guy at the casino wouldn't hurt. Wouldn't be surprised to see some him get a lot of run 5 and Bennett at the 4. Slide him out to the 4 with Zeller to play the stretch.

He didn't look too bad playing there before, and he's apparently grown a bit since he was drafted.
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby Gradysmanldy » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:01 pm

Kingpin74 wrote:After reading as much as I could today, I'm now convinced that the Cavs could draft Amanda Bynes and the media around here would call it a savvy move. I guess I missed the part where Thompson and Waiters became these magical trump cards that validate any move this guy makes. They were weird picks in the 4th spot in the draft who are decent players so far, let's throw a parade. I'd love to poll the other 29 GM's in the league and ask if they'd trade Thompson and Waiters for Valanciunas and Barnes. Bennett could end up really good, I obviously hope he is, and this draft sucked, but lets stop pretending this was some brilliant dark horse move. He's a tweener who's 30 pounds overweight and plays no defense. Call me crazy, but I'm thinking a #1 pick shouldn't have that many question marks.


Trust, lots of the Cleveland media shit on the move, too. Vanilla Twithers is still pitching a fit about them passing on McLemore. Look at the social media response on the CPD, it's not universal praise.

They took a guy with legitimately polished offense in the hopes that he gives a shit about defense, in the future. Since his future burn will depend on it, I'll bet we find out quickly if its lateral quickness or effort that he lacked. His wingspan will definitely help him with it.

Every pick, 1-6, had major question marks. A lot of people thought McLemore was the best pick, and he went 7th. There just wasn't a consensus top guy, they all had warts.....and to be honest, with Browns deficiencies as a play caller, i'll take the guy who knows what he's doing out there and doesn't need plays called for him to score over the guy who needs to learn and develop.

Waiters and TT both got better, and were surprises based on the pick. TT went from black hole of suck to league average (at 20, with room to grow) and Waiters had a pretty solid second half of the season. Barnes might be better, but again, need more data to see what he's capable of. Either way, they both show the capability.
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Fri Jun 28, 2013 10:32 pm

A 6'8" center combined with a 6'7" PF is asking to lose games and a lot of them.

And if you think TT is a good defender you are insane. I do agree Zeller hurt things and that is a variable at play, but he was gawd awful at defense last year.
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby Madre Hill, Superstar » Fri Jun 28, 2013 11:33 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:A 6'8" center combined with a 6'7" PF is asking to lose games and a lot of them.

And if you think TT is a good defender you are insane. I do agree Zeller hurt things and that is a variable at play, but he was gawd awful at defense last year.


For what its worth, I've heard TT's had a growth spurt and is closer to 6'10" now. I'd have to hunt down harder evidence, there's pictures of him next to SSB that supposedly show this.
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