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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby Madre Hill, Superstar » Tue Jun 11, 2013 4:18 pm

So what I've gathered so far:

Noel's still figuring out offense.
Oldaipo's still figuring out offense.
McLemore can't create off the dribble.
Porter is pretty much what he will be going forward.
Len is already on the Greg Oden trajectory and he hasn't even been drafted.

Meh. If I can't con a Kevin Love out of Flip Saunders with the pick, I say go with Noel and just roll with it.
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby peeker643 » Tue Jun 11, 2013 4:32 pm

Madre Hill, Superstar wrote:So what I've gathered so far:

Noel's still figuring out offense.
Oldaipo's still figuring out offense.
McLemore can't create off the dribble.
Porter is pretty much what he will be going forward.
Len is already on the Greg Oden trajectory and he hasn't even been drafted.

Meh. If I can't con a Kevin Love out of Flip Saunders with the pick, I say go with Noel and just roll with it.


Your chance for Kevin Love here walked out the door with David Kahn. Have to be an effing moron to give up a 24 yr old star for the handful of beans the Cavs can promise you.
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby leadpipe » Tue Jun 11, 2013 5:05 pm

Ring ! Ring!

Kevin Love: Hello
Minnesota Rep: Kevin, we've just traded you
KL: Oh thank Christ. To who?
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby OldDawg » Tue Jun 11, 2013 7:11 pm

leadpipe wrote:Ring ! Ring!

Kevin Love: Hello
Minnesota Rep: Kevin, we've just traded you
KL: Oh thank Christ. To who?
MR: Cleveland
KL: Christ, kill me.


Followed by an eating binge where he becomes fat, unathletic and slow, like many feared he would be out of college.
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby Madre Hill, Superstar » Wed Jun 12, 2013 9:05 am

peeker643 wrote:Your chance for Kevin Love here walked out the door with David Kahn. Have to be an effing moron to give up a 24 yr old star for the handful of beans the Cavs can promise you.


I thought the same thing. And then I remembered they gave his office to Flip Saunders.
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby Madre Hill, Superstar » Wed Jun 12, 2013 9:06 am

OldDawg wrote:Followed by an eating binge where he becomes fat, unathletic and slow, like many feared he would be out of college.


Certainly he wouldn't Kemp himself out of the league, right? ... Right?
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:50 am

Love isn't getting traded unless he demands his way out and that isn't happening yet.
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby HoodooMan » Wed Jun 12, 2013 1:19 pm

In a good year, Kyrie Irving & Kevin Love play together 20 games.

Take Nerlens.
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby Madre Hill, Superstar » Wed Jun 12, 2013 1:39 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:Love isn't getting traded unless he demands his way out and that isn't happening yet.


Fair enough. And the more I see the playoffs play out, the more I'm getting sold on Noel as the pick.
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby pod2dawg » Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:36 pm

Nerlens N.
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

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Nerlens N.
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby Gradysmanldy » Fri Jun 14, 2013 9:18 am

Gotta be Nerlens.
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby Spin » Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:15 am

Madre Hill, Superstar wrote:
OldDawg wrote:Followed by an eating binge where he becomes fat, unathletic and slow, like many feared he would be out of college.


Certainly he wouldn't Kemp himself out of the league, right? ... Right?


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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby kman_holla8 » Mon Jun 17, 2013 2:01 pm

Yeah so I overplayed my Ben Wallace hand. Tough to argue with the hardware he accumulated in his career. E0y don't take my comments so personally, it's not like I owe him or you money, property, or services.
I'll agree you have the superior eye for evaluating pre-draft nba talent.

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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby OldDawg » Mon Jun 17, 2013 3:40 pm

kman_holla8 wrote:Yeah so I overplayed my Ben Wallace hand. Tough to argue with the hardware he accumulated in his career. E0y don't take my comments so personally, it's not like I owe him or you money, property, or services.
I'll agree you have the superior eye for evaluating pre-draft nba talent.

BTW, It was hard not to laugh as you ripped me apart...


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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby HoodooMan » Mon Jun 17, 2013 3:57 pm

I agree that e0 is exactly like Eddie Murphy in The Nutty Professor.

And I know he's far too bashful to thank us for the compliment, but don't doubt for a moment that it means everything to him.
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Mon Jun 17, 2013 5:30 pm

SMH
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby Madre Hill, Superstar » Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:50 am

Anyone else thinking Noel is getting Ron Harpered? Or fearing the rumors might be right?
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby peeker643 » Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:04 am

There is no consensus guy no matter what the experts here say and the teams with top 5 picks typically don't have luxury of simply drafting for need.

This is about the least surprising development in the past ten drafts IMO.
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:26 am

Not true Peeker, Nole is and always has been the top guy, baring medical reports.

Now (as has always been the case) if his knee is more messed up than just an ACL tear, he doesn't go one, period. Greg Oden ended that world.
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby peeker643 » Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:17 am

e0y2e3 wrote:Not true Peeker, Nole is and always has been the top guy, baring medical reports.

Now (as has always been the case) if his knee is more messed up than just an ACL tear, he doesn't go one, period. Greg Oden ended that world.


But you HAVE to take those medical reports into consideration. Now and before. I agree with what you're saying about the guy and the weight issue is probably a non-issue. But you can't dismiss the knee issue from the equation.

As it stands today there isn't that one guy who truly stands out above the rest mostly because the guy that would apparently can't stand.

Now, I would bet my life that someone from this class will rise above the rest of the class and be a perennial All-NBA type guy. Is it still Noel? Is it Oladipo? Porter? I have no idea. But there will be at least one and the point is there's no consensus now as to who that will be.
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:23 am

No doubt, my only point is we have no idea what those reports really say. Nor do we know how a 7 footer with a fused ankle like Len is checking out w/ the Dr's.

At this point we don't really have any clue because the Dr's matter far more this year than most and yeah, there isn't that LBJ/Kyrie/Wiggins here.

BTW: Nole is already back up to 218.
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby peeker643 » Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:46 am

True. We have no idea what is in any of the medical reports.

And it may be that there are enough questions about the others that you still take Noel because none of those other guys wow you anyway.

And I know the popular choice is to trade out of that spot but other teams see the same issues and aren't likely to desire a move up either. Unless they know something or are willing to roll the dice.
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby SoulDawg74 » Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:51 pm

peeker643 wrote:True. We have no idea what is in any of the medical reports.

And it may be that there are enough questions about the others that you still take Noel because none of those other guys wow you anyway.

And I know the popular choice is to trade out of that spot but other teams see the same issues and aren't likely to desire a move up either. Unless they know something or are willing to roll the dice.


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Fuck a trade , in a shit draft take the top athlete who brings a dynamic to the team in off the charts athleticism you just can't buy .

Raw as an onion Norlens is just like Mingo for the Browns except for the injury.

Draft him and redshirt him if you have to ,

Fuck a few months , we waited an eternity for Z and he had half this kids talent.

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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby peeker643 » Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:18 pm

SoulDawg74 wrote:
peeker643 wrote:True. We have no idea what is in any of the medical reports.

And it may be that there are enough questions about the others that you still take Noel because none of those other guys wow you anyway.

And I know the popular choice is to trade out of that spot but other teams see the same issues and aren't likely to desire a move up either. Unless they know something or are willing to roll the dice.


SD:

Fuck a trade , in a shit draft take the top athlete who brings a dynamic to the team in off the charts athleticism you just can't buy .

Raw as an onion Norlens is just like Mingo for the Browns except for the injury.

Draft him and redshirt him if you have to ,

Fuck a few months , we waited an eternity for Z and he had half this kids talent.

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That's all fine and good except for tick tock this is Kyrie's clock.


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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby Kingpin74 » Tue Jun 18, 2013 5:00 pm

Kyrie's clock is in 4-5 years after his extension, not now. Very very rare for someone to roll the dice with the one year qualifying offer at the end of a rookie deal and leave $80M+ on the table to reach unrestricted free agency. Especially someone like him who's made of papier mache.

Semi-redshirt Nerlens, tank one more year for the Wiggins/Parker class, get 23 back, then go to work.
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby motherscratcher » Tue Jun 18, 2013 5:17 pm

Kingpin74 wrote:Kyrie's clock is in 4-5 years after his extension, not now. Very very rare for someone to roll the dice with the one year qualifying offer at the end of a rookie deal and leave $80M+ on the table to reach unrestricted free agency. Especially someone like him who's made of papier mache.

Semi-redshirt Nerlens, tank one more year for the Wiggins/Parker class, get 23 back, then go to work.


This, even if he goes the LBJ route and signs a 3 year instead of the max, we still have that dude for at least 4 years. And in 2017, when we might be looking at Kyrie's free agency, the thing most likely to drive him into the arms of Pat Riley is to make dumb ass short sighted decisions to try to win 3 extra games in December 2013.
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby leadpipe » Tue Jun 18, 2013 9:03 pm

motherscratcher wrote:
Kingpin74 wrote:Kyrie's clock is in 4-5 years after his extension, not now. Very very rare for someone to roll the dice with the one year qualifying offer at the end of a rookie deal and leave $80M+ on the table to reach unrestricted free agency. Especially someone like him who's made of papier mache.

Semi-redshirt Nerlens, tank one more year for the Wiggins/Parker class, get 23 back, then go to work.


This, even if he goes the LBJ route and signs a 3 year instead of the max, we still have that dude for at least 4 years. And in 2017, when we might be looking at Kyrie's free agency, the thing most likely to drive him into the arms of Pat Riley is to make dumb ass short sighted decisions to try to win 3 extra games in December 2013.


Nerlens or no Nerlens, Kyrie is marking off his days here with chalk on a cement basement wall. Just like any other Cavalier that could PLAY.....all both of them.

And LBJ ain't coming back ferchrisakes. The fact he's from here LESSENS the chance the guy's coming back. Plus, if the Heat lose one of the next two he'll stink again anyways.

Anyways, bottom line w/Kyrie, if he keeps being injured, and his stock drops, he might stay. If he gets healthy and is a rising star in the league, he'll take his three then head for z hills, flush with endorsement money that will lessen the finacial blow.
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby jb » Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:59 pm

Read me now bump me later.

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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby YahooFanChicago » Thu Jun 20, 2013 2:22 am

I don't know who we are going to draft but I do know that some of you guys are really pessimistic when it comes to Kyrie and Cleveland in general.

If the Cavs are crappy in 3-5 years and have a bad group of players and bad FO yes, he will almost certainly leave. If they are middle of the pack and no real signs of being able to win a championship he will also probably leave.

If the Cavs have a strong team, strong FO and look like they can win a title he will probably stay.

Saying he is marking off his basement calendar to bolt in 3-5 years is pretty much chicken little if you ask me. Yeh, yeh I know, no one asked.
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby leadpipe » Thu Jun 20, 2013 8:30 am

YahooFanChicago wrote:I don't know who we are going to draft but I do know that some of you guys are really pessimistic when it comes to Kyrie and Cleveland in general.

If the Cavs are crappy in 3-5 years and have a bad group of players and bad FO yes, he will almost certainly leave. If they are middle of the pack and no real signs of being able to win a championship he will also probably leave.

If the Cavs have a strong team, strong FO and look like they can win a title he will probably stay.Saying he is marking off his basement calendar to bolt in 3-5 years is pretty much chicken little if you ask me. Yeh, yeh I know, no one asked.


In the last 40 years, how many times have they been in this position? Now minus the Lebron ping pong ball and what do you have?

That's the whole point.
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby Gradysmanldy » Thu Jun 20, 2013 2:09 pm

Fuck Alex Len. With a rusty spoon.

Seriously the worst goddamn choice of the five or six guys were rumored to be looking at. Maybe tied with Oladipo, but seriously just FEH BLEH BRUUUUUUUUH.
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby YahooFanChicago » Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:55 pm

leadpipe wrote:.


In the last 40 years, how many times have they been in this position? Now minus the Lebron ping pong ball and what do you have?

That's the whole point.[/quote]

Well, I guess if guys like Ted Stepien were the owner and Paxson was the GM I would agree with you. Like him or hate him Dapper Dan Gilbert has shown that he will spend money.

I still say if we are very good and Gilbert/Grant offer Kyrie a max contract he will most likely stay. If we suck and/or look for a "hommetown discount" he almost certainly leaves. To say that he is gone now and just marking-off his days is something I don't agree with.

You can doubt the Cavs will be good and I understand that. I am optomistic we will be quite good in the coming 2-5 years so I am a lot more positive about keeping Kyrie on the team.

I know we have some really shitty teams in Cleveland for a long time and that recently we have been even shitier than usual. Maybe I'm a homer but I like what the Cavs are building.
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:37 pm

Dan Gilbert has never spent money post LBJ. Until he does please don't say he has shown anything, he is a giant question mark.

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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby Triple-S » Fri Jun 21, 2013 1:25 am

He's a billionaire that owns a sports team.

The Cavs are his business, and whatever the hell he does with them, is whatever the hell does with them.
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:06 am

Sincerely,

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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby leadpipe » Fri Jun 21, 2013 8:37 am

YahooFanChicago wrote:
leadpipe wrote:.


In the last 40 years, how many times have they been in this position? Now minus the Lebron ping pong ball and what do you have?

That's the whole point.


Well, I guess if guys like Ted Stepien were the owner and Paxson was the GM I would agree with you. Like him or hate him Dapper Dan Gilbert has shown that he will spend money.

I still say if we are very good and Gilbert/Grant offer Kyrie a max contract he will most likely stay. If we suck and/or look for a "hommetown discount" he almost certainly leaves. To say that he is gone now and just marking-off his days is something I don't agree with.

You can doubt the Cavs will be good and I understand that. I am optomistic we will be quite good in the coming 2-5 years so I am a lot more positive about keeping Kyrie on the team.

I know we have some really shitty teams in Cleveland for a long time and that recently we have been even shitier than usual. Maybe I'm a homer but I like what the Cavs are building.[/quote]

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Spending money has little to do with how good they can become, or how bad they've been. OKC is sittin on some miracle drafts right now. When Durant and Company run their course, than what?

OKC, like Cleveland, is at the TOTAL mercy of the draft. Nobody the hell wants to come here. Again, list the top ten free agents in Cavalier history - NOBODY IS WILLFULLY COMING HERE.

The Cleveland Cavaliers have never been poor because an owner refused to play. They've been poor because A. Historically, they have no earhly idea how to draft and B. Nobody want to be here.

Lebron didn't leave for money, nor is he coming back for it.

Gilbert can pay the luxury tax out of his ass, but unless he's payin' playas, what's the point?
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby ajunior148 » Sat Jun 22, 2013 10:16 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:Dan Gilbert has never spent money post LBJ. Until he does please don't say he has shown anything, he is a giant question mark.

Thanks in advance.


Gilbert has spent when he thought it made sense and he had no problem adding big time salary when we were a contender.

I'm not certain that arguing that "he hasn't spent when we were trying to accumulate ping pong balls so he is a question mark" is a very good point.
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Sat Jun 22, 2013 11:07 pm

Dan Gilbert spent in a misguided attempt to keep the single biggest cash cow in sports in tow.

We have no idea how Dan Gilbert will act without that incentive. Saying he will or won't spend is foolish.
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby ajunior148 » Sat Jun 22, 2013 11:13 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:Dan Gilbert spent in a misguided attempt to keep the single biggest cash cow in sports in tow.


This is a much better point, I think.
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby ajunior148 » Sat Jun 22, 2013 11:15 pm

This doesn't really jive with what you are saying, though.

http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/news/story?id=6153550
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Sat Jun 22, 2013 11:55 pm

ajunior148 wrote:This doesn't really jive with what you are saying, though.

http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/news/story?id=6153550


He was still at the cap line and nowhere even in the ballpark of the luxury tax when he did that. So yeah, he spent near the bottom third of the league to buy that pick.

Great.

It says nothing about the future and how he will spend, especially in regards to the tax.
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Unread postby ajunior148 » Sun Jun 23, 2013 12:06 am

Spending money is spending money, e0. What other owner has spent $12 million dollars on a 3% chance at the first pick and what is likely the ~8th pick?

You said he hasn't spent money post LBJ, I gave you an example of when he has and a very legit reason on why he hasn't in other areas.

This does not mean that he will spend until bankruptcy due to the new luxury tax rules. But to pretend that we don't know if this guy will spend money is absurd.

Hollinger on the trade, the bold is mine:

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/ ... des-110223

Cleveland: A-

I've always wondered what the cash price of a lottery pick was. In this case, it seems to be about $12 million -- the difference in what's owed over the next two years between Davis and Williams. Cleveland effectively paid the Clippers that amount for their first-round pick, which is completely unprotected in the 2011 draft and could end up being first. In fact, it's possible the Cavs will have the first two picks in the draft, which certainly could accelerate the post-LeBron rebuilding. Give a tip of the hat to Cavs owner Dan Gilbert for agreeing to use his checkbook to speed up the process.

In the short term, this trade may make Cleveland even worse. Although Davis is the more talented of the two players, Williams played fairly hard for a miserable Cleveland team, and nobody expects Davis to do the same, especially because he's reunited with coach Byron Scott. (The two clashed in New Orleans.) Look for Cleveland to deal him again at the first available opportunity.

Capwise, however, the Cavs' logic is airtight. Cleveland wasn't going to have cap space in the summer of 2011 no matter what; and even with Davis' fat contract on the books, it'll still have plenty of space in the summer of 2012.
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Sun Jun 23, 2013 1:10 am

Look, AJ, spending the cap (which is the budgeted amount) is nice and all. He did that, proved he isn't the biggest cheap skate ever and spent bottom third of the league money.

Grant cleared the cap out enough for him to do that, huzzah for both.

That says nothing about what will happen when in a three year period he has a max FA on the books, Kyrie and TT coming up for extensions, Waiters coming up for one and the extension for whoever he picks this year to look at. That is what matters and he has no track record in said situation.

We will see what happens, but OKC was a team that took on contracts for picks many, many, many times and they just dumped a top three SG to avoid the tax. Spending = eating the tax, the other shit is meh.
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Unread postby ajunior148 » Sun Jun 23, 2013 11:27 am

e0y2e3 wrote:That says nothing about what will happen when in a three year period he has a max FA on the books, Kyrie and TT coming up for extensions, Waiters coming up for one and the extension for whoever he picks this year to look at. That is what matters and he has no track record in said situation.

We will see what happens, but OKC was a team that took on contracts for picks many, many, many times and they just dumped a top three SG to avoid the tax. Spending = eating the tax, the other shit is meh.


I don't agree with the argument that anything less than suffering the worst luxury tax penalties in the history of professional sports makes Gilbert cheap, but ok e0.

Your issue is with 95% of the NBA owners, but if Gilbert isn't in that top 5% then let's call him cheap.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1457745-how-nbas-luxury-tax-penalties-will-impact-elite-teams
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby OldDawg » Sun Jun 23, 2013 12:06 pm

I'll have to admit that I haven't seen Alex Len play, and that most of my knowledge of him comes from this forum and the mocks that I read. However, the frequency of the Cavs-picking-Len-with-the-1st-pick rumors has me concerned.

Heck, if we want Len, we could trade back to 5 or 6 and be relatively assured that we could get him there.
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby Orenthal » Sun Jun 23, 2013 12:10 pm

"When a man with money meets a man with experience, the man with experience leaves with money and the man with money leaves with experience."
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby OldDawg » Sun Jun 23, 2013 12:24 pm

Orenthal wrote:It is gonna be Len...

http://www.fearthesword.com/2013/6/21/4 ... ing-report


If that were the case, if I were the Cavs, I would have sure tried to keep it quiet. It is fairly common knowledge that the Cavs were shopping the pick for a trade. If you then come out and let it be known that Len is your guy, you clearly de-value the #1 pick in the trade market, because no one was gonna trade up to get Len. Insodoing, you then increase the value of the next couple of picks because now Noel, McLemore, Porter and Bennet are all still available.
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Unread postby Orenthal » Sun Jun 23, 2013 12:31 pm

The Cavaliers are being their quiet usual 'selves and nothing the do with the number 1 would surprise. I have not paid nearly as much attention to this NBA draft, but Len is a two way player that still has possibly the greatest upside of those available. Seems to be a good fit with Irving and the current batch of Cavaliers. I'm not advocating... I am not really a fan of the value at #1.
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Re: The Cavs pick(s) in the first round

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Sun Jun 23, 2013 2:08 pm

Where in the quote you replied to did I call him cheap AJ?

Can we just agree we have no fucking idea what is going to happen when he looks at absurd tax bills without desperately trying to keep LBJ from leaving? I mean really? This isn't a fair point?
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