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Unread postby British_Pharaoh » Sun Jun 02, 2013 4:23 am

371AVG 5 bombs 14ribbies and a 1.138 OPS in 15 games back at Columbus
Still needs to learn to be patient in the bigs and swing at his pitch but it's good to see that he has had a good attitude toward the demotion and mashed.

Although I'm in favour of leaving him there until the All-Star break to be honest. There's no need to call him up given our bench and Reynolds' play at third (Chis has 6 errors in his 15 games back at AAA)
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Re: Chisenhall

Unread postby GodHatesClevelandSport » Sun Jun 02, 2013 8:02 am

Ironically, Mark Reynolds has become Chisenhall. Reynolds hit .208/.302/.376 in May.
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Re: Chisenhall

Unread postby bookelly » Sun Jun 02, 2013 9:29 am

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Unread postby motherscratcher » Sun Jun 02, 2013 9:51 am

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Re: Chisenhall

Unread postby Symbolic47 » Sun Jun 02, 2013 5:25 pm

Is he taking any walks?
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Re: Chisenhall

Unread postby TouchEmAllTime » Sun Jun 02, 2013 5:40 pm

He might just be one of those guys that can't hit major league pitching.
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Re: Chisenhall

Unread postby Prosecutor » Mon Jun 03, 2013 2:12 pm

TouchEmAllTime wrote:He might just be one of those guys that can't hit major league pitching.


Matt LaPorta (AAA) .285/.885 (five years)
Matt LaPorta (ML) .238/.694

Lonnie Chisenhall (AAA) .294/.885 (three years)
Lonnie Chisenhall (ML) .250/.692

Hmmm.....

Edit - here's one more.

Andy Marte (AAA) .267/.802 (5 years)
Andy Marte (ML) .218/.635

Columbus is considered a very good hitter's ballpark. So the question is....is there any reason to think that a guy who hits .290/.885ish in Columbus will be able to hit big league pitching well enough to justify starting at a corner infield position?
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Re: Chisenhall

Unread postby peeker643 » Mon Jun 03, 2013 2:20 pm

Chisenhall may well end up as the newest version of Marte and LaPorta. Odds are better going in with any player that they won't hit MLB pitching.

But he's still too young to slap that label on him right now.
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Re: Chisenhall

Unread postby Prosecutor » Mon Jun 03, 2013 2:26 pm

Victor Martinez (AAA) .330/.871
Victor Martinez (ML) .300/.829

Victor developed more power after he got to the bigs.

Carlos Santana (AAA) .316/1.044
Carlos Santana (ML) .252/.815

There seems to be a pretty big jump from AAA to the bigs in terms of quality of pitching. I'm not sure a .285/.885 guy at Columbus is going to hit up here. However, I haven't looked at how old those other guys were at Columbus. I know LaPorta and Marte were older than Chis is now when they put up those numbers. So maybe Chis was just pushed through the system a little too fast.

He's sure hitting now, so that's something.
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Re: Chisenhall

Unread postby skatingtripods » Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:04 pm

Skeptical of offensive numbers at Huntington Park. Was best MiLB park for scoring runs last season and second best for HRs.

He's .444/.516/.889/1.405 at home. .314/.390/.543/.933 away. Still good away numbers, though small sample size. 82% of his AB against RHP too.

I don't know about Chisenhall. He's never going to walk. But he needs to improve his pitch recognition and discipline to the point where he takes enough pitches to be an effective hitter.

He may hit MLB pitching, but I don't think it'll ever be enough to justify how high he was drafted and how high the expectations are (were) for him. He's also a very mediocre 3B.

He's just 24. There's some time left to see what he can become.
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Re: Chisenhall

Unread postby GodHatesClevelandSport » Mon Jun 03, 2013 11:29 pm

I blame sabermatricians for telling him to take walks.
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Unread postby RickNashEquilibrium » Tue Jun 04, 2013 8:11 am

GodHatesClevelandSport wrote:I blame sabermatricians for telling him to take walks.


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Re: Chisenhall

Unread postby Prosecutor » Tue Jun 04, 2013 10:05 am

Lonnie has seven errors in 16 games in Columbus. He's a future DH/1B, in my opinion. Probably with another team since we have Swisher and Santana locked up for several more years, and Gomes looks like he'll be the everyday catcher before too long. Santana is 3-for-25 throwing out base stealers and he's crappy at preventing wild pitches. The Indians have a much better W-L record with Gomes catching.

Chiz is definitely hitting now, though. Huntington is not helping guys this year:

Chiz .364
Fedroff .268
Hermida .262
Phelps .248
Zeke .247
Chen .246
LaPorta .235

Those other guys have more at-bats so maybe in a few weeks Chiz's average will come back to the pack. But for now he's crushing the ball and it doesn't look like it's the ballpark, or everybody else would be higher.
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Re: Chisenhall

Unread postby pup » Tue Jun 04, 2013 1:04 pm

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Re: Chisenhall

Unread postby skatingtripods » Tue Jun 04, 2013 4:44 pm

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Re: Chisenhall

Unread postby Pabo » Tue Jun 04, 2013 9:48 pm

The Indians have to seriously consider bringing Chisenhall back up here for his defense alone. I know Lonnie is no great shakes at third, but Mark Reynolds is an absolute disaster over there.
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Re: Chisenhall

Unread postby skatingtripods » Tue Jun 04, 2013 10:33 pm

Chisenhall is a shitty defender too.
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Re: Chisenhall

Unread postby Larvell Blanks » Wed Jun 05, 2013 9:36 am

Pabo wrote:The Indians have to seriously consider bringing Chisenhall back up here for his defense alone. I know Lonnie is no great shakes at third, but Mark Reynolds is an absolute disaster over there.



Lonnie has seven errors in 16 games in Columbus


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Re: Chisenhall

Unread postby Pabo » Mon Jun 10, 2013 8:59 pm

Larvell Blanks wrote:
Pabo wrote:The Indians have to seriously consider bringing Chisenhall back up here for his defense alone. I know Lonnie is no great shakes at third, but Mark Reynolds is an absolute disaster over there.



Lonnie has seven errors in 16 games in Columbus


so which lesser of 2 evils do you want in the lineup each day?


I think I'm ready for Chisenhall.
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Re: Chisenhall

Unread postby scott » Mon Jun 10, 2013 10:36 pm

Pabo wrote:
I think I'm ready for Chisenhall.


If they want to let him have a go at pitching the 7th inning I'd be fine with that as well.
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Re: Chisenhall

Unread postby Prosecutor » Tue Jun 11, 2013 9:06 am

scott wrote:
Pabo wrote:
I think I'm ready for Chisenhall.


If they want to let him have a go at pitching the 7th inning I'd be fine with that as well.


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Re: Chisenhall

Unread postby British_Pharaoh » Mon Jun 17, 2013 1:19 pm

Is it time to free the Chiz? Ha she served his sentence?

Batting .390 after 27 Clippers games.
HOWEVER he's striking out close to once ever 4 at bats, he has committed 8 errors and still can't take a walk for shit (12/24 BB/K ratio in 105 at bats)

What do we think? The early season gloss has worn off of Reynolds and the offense is scuffling along with A-Cab being on the DL and Swisher likely to follow.

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Re: Chisenhall

Unread postby Dnthateonthepronk » Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:41 pm

Can we just trade him? ;-) ;) :wink:
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Re: Chisenhall

Unread postby RedDawg53 » Mon Jun 17, 2013 5:50 pm

Dnthateonthepronk wrote:Can we just trade him? ;-) ;) :wink:


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Re: Chisenhall

Unread postby skatingtripods » Mon Jun 17, 2013 6:03 pm

British_Pharaoh wrote:Is it time to free the Chiz? Ha she served his sentence?

Batting .390 after 27 Clippers games.
HOWEVER he's striking out close to once ever 4 at bats, he has committed 8 errors and still can't take a walk for shit (12/24 BB/K ratio in 105 at bats)

What do we think? The early season gloss has worn off of Reynolds and the offense is scuffling along with A-Cab being on the DL and Swisher likely to follow.


I think if he didn't get called up in place of Matt Langwell with Swisher unavailable until Friday, then that's pretty telling. We've already burned his option for this season, so we could call him up at any time.

They're content to deal with Reynolds's slump and his below average defense at 3B at a time when they could easily put him at 1B.

Reading between the lines, they're still not impressed with Lonnie.
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Re: Chisenhall

Unread postby Pabo » Mon Jun 17, 2013 6:17 pm

No sense in calling up a guy that's hitting .390 in AAA when you've got Johnny Mac right here.
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Re: Chisenhall

Unread postby dazindiansfanuk » Mon Jun 17, 2013 7:12 pm

skatingtripods wrote:
British_Pharaoh wrote:Is it time to free the Chiz? Ha she served his sentence?

Batting .390 after 27 Clippers games.
HOWEVER he's striking out close to once ever 4 at bats, he has committed 8 errors and still can't take a walk for shit (12/24 BB/K ratio in 105 at bats)

What do we think? The early season gloss has worn off of Reynolds and the offense is scuffling along with A-Cab being on the DL and Swisher likely to follow.


I think if he didn't get called up in place of Matt Langwell with Swisher unavailable until Friday, then that's pretty telling. We've already burned his option for this season, so we could call him up at any time.

They're content to deal with Reynolds's slump and his below average defense at 3B at a time when they could easily put him at 1B.

Reading between the lines, they're still not impressed with Lonnie.


Maybe they're just keeping Langwell around one more game with Carrasco on the hill tonight - probably not a bad idea to have an extra arm in the pen.

If Chiz doesn't get the call tomorrow though and we're playing with a 2-man bench of the back-up catcher and J-Mac, then that's very telling like you said.
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Re: Chisenhall

Unread postby dazindiansfanuk » Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:12 pm

Chiz not playing in AAA tonight so, maybe he is on his way to Cleveland..... or maybe it's just a day off.
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Re: Chisenhall

Unread postby skatingtripods » Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:00 pm

Chisenhall up, Langwell down. Nice catch last night daz. Also, congrats on the impending new addition to the family.
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Unread postby dazindiansfanuk » Tue Jun 18, 2013 5:34 pm

skatingtripods wrote:Chisenhall up, Langwell down. Nice catch last night daz. Also, congrats on the impending new addition to the family.


Thanks very much...... baby due right in the middle of the Tribe's run to the World Series!! :hide:
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Re: Chisenhall

Unread postby skatingtripods » Tue Jun 18, 2013 9:40 pm

dazindiansfanuk wrote:
skatingtripods wrote:Chisenhall up, Langwell down. Nice catch last night daz. Also, congrats on the impending new addition to the family.


Thanks very much...... baby due right in the middle of the Tribe's run to the World Series!! :hide:


Naming it Yan, Carlos, Lonnie, or Ubaldo? Or some feminine version. Maybe Yangela? Carlita? Lonnita? Ubalda?
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Re: Chisenhall

Unread postby fairvis » Thu Jun 20, 2013 6:42 pm

skatingtripods wrote:
dazindiansfanuk wrote:
skatingtripods wrote:Chisenhall up, Langwell down. Nice catch last night daz. Also, congrats on the impending new addition to the family.


Thanks very much...... baby due right in the middle of the Tribe's run to the World Series!! :hide:


Naming it Yan, Carlos, Lonnie, or Ubaldo? Or some feminine version. Maybe Yangela? Carlita? Lonnita? Ubalda?


Ubalda would have a lot to live up to.

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Unread postby dazindiansfanuk » Thu Jun 20, 2013 6:48 pm

fairvis wrote:
skatingtripods wrote:
dazindiansfanuk wrote:
skatingtripods wrote:Chisenhall up, Langwell down. Nice catch last night daz. Also, congrats on the impending new addition to the family.


Thanks very much...... baby due right in the middle of the Tribe's run to the World Series!! :hide:


Naming it Yan, Carlos, Lonnie, or Ubaldo? Or some feminine version. Maybe Yangela? Carlita? Lonnita? Ubalda?


Ubalda would have a lot to live up to.

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Well, if I needed a reason not to go with Ubalda, I have one! :dingle:
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Unread postby skatingtripods » Thu Jun 20, 2013 7:18 pm

I had no idea. Not entirely sure why you did, but yeah, I guess I wouldn't go with Ubalda now.
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Re: Chisenhall

Unread postby Toxicadam » Fri Jun 21, 2013 12:22 am

Since the kid has no future as our 3b, I hope they trade at him at the deadline for an arm. Even if it's a rental.
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Re: Chisenhall

Unread postby leadpipe » Fri Jun 21, 2013 12:41 am

The lack of hitting - perhaps not being able to handle big league pitching is one thing. The fact he was a collegiate shortstop who now looks like a DH.....that doesn't come from nowhere - you should have a pretty good idea on his defensive future at the time of the draft.
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Re: Chisenhall

Unread postby motherscratcher » Fri Jun 21, 2013 1:17 am

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Unread postby Larvell Blanks » Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:04 am

motherscratcher wrote:Chisenporta



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Re: Chisenhall

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:14 am

Larvell Blanks wrote:
motherscratcher wrote:Chisenporta



ChisenLaparte

Fixed it for ya, how could you forget Andy in that?


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Cerebral_DownTime wrote:
Larvell Blanks wrote:
motherscratcher wrote:Chisenporta



ChisenLaparte

Fixed it for ya, how could you forget Andy in that?


ChisenLapartbuenacrowe.

Fixxxed it FOR YOU.


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Unread postby danwismar » Fri Jun 21, 2013 12:18 pm

Asking anyone who is better informed on this than I am...which is to say...anyone...

What would it take to get Aramis Ramirez? Would we want to? What is the contract situation with him? I keep hearing he's not likely to finish the season with the Brewers. (I see he's only played 40 games...what's that about?)
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Re: Chisenhall

Unread postby skatingtripods » Fri Jun 21, 2013 12:34 pm

danwismar wrote:What would it take to get Aramis Ramirez? Would we want to? What is the contract situation with him? I keep hearing he's not likely to finish the season with the Brewers. (I see he's only played 40 games...what's that about?)


Bad knee. Hurt it in Spring, missed a month in April, still not 100%.

It would depend on how much salary the Brewers are willing to cover IMO. Ramirez is signed through next season at 16M in 2014 with a 4M buyout on a mutual option in 2015. He makes 10M this year.

To move that contract, it shouldn't take much in the form of personnel. My issue is that you're trading for damaged goods. He's not really driving the ball this season, with his lowest ISO since 2002. His numbers are also inflated a bit from playing his home games at Wrigley and Miller Park, two of the better hitter's parks in the NL. His career road split is much lower than his home one, and the Jake is a neutral park.

He's also been a below average defensive 3B in three of the last four seasons according to the advanced fielding metrics. His error totals, though, have not been bad at all.

Not saying that he's not an upgrade, but at that price tag for 2014 and with the season he's currently putting together, I'd expect Milwaukee to cover a good amount of money and I wouldn't offer up very much.

I guess, in summation, if we can get him pretty cheap and get some money to cover what he's still owed, I'd be all for it.
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Re: Chisenhall

Unread postby rebelwithoutaclue » Fri Jun 21, 2013 7:16 pm

He's just another guy that can't hack it. LaPorta and Marte were at least top tier prospects; I don't know if Chisenhall was ever a top 100 prospect. First rounder, yes, but MLB is lucky if 5 out of 30 first rounders turn out to be major league starters. This is not completely unexpected. Though when they were drafted, of the two, I actually thought Chiz had a better chance to stick in the majors than Kipnis. May have been a little off on that...

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Re: Chisenhall

Unread postby Prosecutor » Fri Jun 21, 2013 7:59 pm

Before this year he was a career .294 hitter in AAA. He was hitting 70-80 points higher when they brought him up, so maybe he figured something out and is now ready to hit .280 with some pop in the bigs.

Or not. I'm not ready to throw him in the LaMarte trash bin just yet. I'm giving him another week.
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Re: Chisenhall

Unread postby 7foot3 » Mon Jun 24, 2013 7:47 pm

rebelwithoutaclue wrote:He's just another guy that can't hack it. LaPorta and Marte were at least top tier prospects; I don't know if Chisenhall was ever a top 100 prospect. First rounder, yes, but MLB is lucky if 5 out of 30 first rounders turn out to be major league starters. This is not completely unexpected. Though when they were drafted, of the two, I actually thought Chiz had a better chance to stick in the majors than Kipnis. May have been a little off on that...

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Chisenhall was ranked #31 and then #25 for the 2010 and 2011 seasons. He was very highly rated. Let's give him more than ~30 games at 24 to write him off.
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Re: Chisenhall

Unread postby pup » Mon Jun 24, 2013 9:18 pm

7foot3 wrote:
rebelwithoutaclue wrote:He's just another guy that can't hack it. LaPorta and Marte were at least top tier prospects; I don't know if Chisenhall was ever a top 100 prospect. First rounder, yes, but MLB is lucky if 5 out of 30 first rounders turn out to be major league starters. This is not completely unexpected. Though when they were drafted, of the two, I actually thought Chiz had a better chance to stick in the majors than Kipnis. May have been a little off on that...

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Chisenhall was ranked #31 and then #25 for the 2010 and 2011 seasons. He was very highly rated. Let's give him more than ~30 games at 24 to write him off.


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