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Re: Chris Perez Does Drugs!

Unread postby FUDU » Fri Jun 07, 2013 4:03 pm

I don't think anyone gives a shit about him either way, but I know his neighbors wish he'd cut his fucking grass, lazy fuck.
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Re: Chris Perez Does Drugs!

Unread postby Govbarney » Fri Jun 07, 2013 4:12 pm

Looks Like Josh Gordon does Drugs to
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Re: Chris Perez Does Drugs!

Unread postby 1Perry » Fri Jun 07, 2013 4:44 pm

Looks like Perez and his wife will both be charged.

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Re: Chris Perez Does Drugs!

Unread postby swerb » Fri Jun 07, 2013 6:47 pm

This explains the Song of the Day at least.
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Re: Chris Perez Does Drugs!

Unread postby bookelly » Fri Jun 07, 2013 7:09 pm

Glad I used "bookelly" and my avatar as the return address. I was really sweating that one.
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Re: Chris Perez Does Drugs!

Unread postby RedDawg53 » Sat Jun 08, 2013 6:32 am

Does Chris Perez pitch for the Indians again this year?
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Re: Chris Perez Does Drugs!

Unread postby ClevelandFanInNewYork » Sat Jun 08, 2013 7:41 am

RedDawg53 wrote:Does Chris Perez pitch for the Indians again this year?


I think the more important question here is:
"Do the Indians have a save situation again this year?"
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Re: Chris Perez Does Drugs!

Unread postby dazindiansfanuk » Sat Jun 08, 2013 7:54 am

RedDawg53 wrote:Does Chris Perez pitch for the Indians again this year?


Without doubt, if he's healthy yes.

MLB can't suspend him as he hasn't failed a drugs test (to my knowledge) and the legal process is a civil matter outside of their jurisdiction..... there's a precedence for this as Tim Lincecum was charged with misdemeanor Marijuana possession a couple of years ago and MLB couldn't touch him.
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Re: Chris Perez Does Drugs!

Unread postby leadpipe » Sat Jun 08, 2013 12:29 pm

dazindiansfanuk wrote:
RedDawg53 wrote:Does Chris Perez pitch for the Indians again this year?


Without doubt, if he's healthy yes.

MLB can't suspend him as he hasn't failed a drugs test (to my knowledge) and the legal process is a civil matter outside of their jurisdiction..... there's a precedence for this as Tim Lincecum was charged with misdemeanor Marijuana possession a couple of years ago and MLB couldn't touch him.


A major league player has to damn near kill someone before that union allows even a slap on the wrist.
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Re: Chris Perez Does Drugs!

Unread postby motherscratcher » Sat Jun 08, 2013 12:56 pm

dazindiansfanuk wrote:
RedDawg53 wrote:Does Chris Perez pitch for the Indians again this year?


Without doubt, if he's healthy yes.

MLB can't suspend him as he hasn't failed a drugs test (to my knowledge) and the legal process is a civil matter outside of their jurisdiction..... there's a precedence for this as Tim Lincecum was charged with misdemeanor Marijuana possession a couple of years ago and MLB couldn't touch him.


Precarious position to take right now. After the last few days I'm not sure Bud and MLB give much of a crap whether someone failed a drug test or not anymore.
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Re: Chris Perez Does Drugs!

Unread postby dazindiansfanuk » Sat Jun 08, 2013 1:04 pm

motherscratcher wrote:
dazindiansfanuk wrote:
RedDawg53 wrote:Does Chris Perez pitch for the Indians again this year?


Without doubt, if he's healthy yes.

MLB can't suspend him as he hasn't failed a drugs test (to my knowledge) and the legal process is a civil matter outside of their jurisdiction..... there's a precedence for this as Tim Lincecum was charged with misdemeanor Marijuana possession a couple of years ago and MLB couldn't touch him.


Precarious position to take right now. After the last few days I'm not sure Bud and MLB give much of a crap whether someone failed a drug test or not anymore.


There's precedence and the Union is as powerful as it gets... no way there's a suspension forthcoming, not without an appeal and undoubted over-turning.
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Re: Chris Perez Does Drugs!

Unread postby motherscratcher » Sat Jun 08, 2013 1:07 pm

dazindiansfanuk wrote:
motherscratcher wrote:
dazindiansfanuk wrote:
RedDawg53 wrote:Does Chris Perez pitch for the Indians again this year?


Without doubt, if he's healthy yes.

MLB can't suspend him as he hasn't failed a drugs test (to my knowledge) and the legal process is a civil matter outside of their jurisdiction..... there's a precedence for this as Tim Lincecum was charged with misdemeanor Marijuana possession a couple of years ago and MLB couldn't touch him.


Precarious position to take right now. After the last few days I'm not sure Bud and MLB give much of a crap whether someone failed a drug test or not anymore.


There's precedence and the Union is as powerful as it gets... no way there's a suspension forthcoming, not without an appeal and undoubted over-turning.


I don't disagree. I'm just wondering how this is different from the ARod/Braun situation where there are reports of MlB going for 100 games.
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Re: Chris Perez Does Drugs!

Unread postby dazindiansfanuk » Sat Jun 08, 2013 1:21 pm

motherscratcher wrote:
dazindiansfanuk wrote:
motherscratcher wrote:
dazindiansfanuk wrote:
RedDawg53 wrote:Does Chris Perez pitch for the Indians again this year?


Without doubt, if he's healthy yes.

MLB can't suspend him as he hasn't failed a drugs test (to my knowledge) and the legal process is a civil matter outside of their jurisdiction..... there's a precedence for this as Tim Lincecum was charged with misdemeanor Marijuana possession a couple of years ago and MLB couldn't touch him.


Precarious position to take right now. After the last few days I'm not sure Bud and MLB give much of a crap whether someone failed a drug test or not anymore.


There's precedence and the Union is as powerful as it gets... no way there's a suspension forthcoming, not without an appeal and undoubted over-turning.


I don't disagree. I'm just wondering how this is different from the ARod/Braun situation where there are reports of MlB going for 100 games.


I believe, and don't quote me on this, that the actual Drug Policy wording allows suspensions relating to performance enhancing drugs to not only be levied in the event of a failed test but also for evidence of "use and possession" - I guess MLB considers Bosch's potential testimony as sufficient evidence.

I don't believe that stipulation applies to drugs of abuse. Also, drugs of abuse don't get tested for randomly either - they only get tested for if there is evidence that the player in question has used drugs of abuse in the last 12 months. So, you can bet your life that Perez will be tested for it moving forward.
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Re: Chris Perez Does Drugs!

Unread postby dazindiansfanuk » Sat Jun 08, 2013 1:29 pm

Another thing is, there's also an argument that the Union may not be as vociferous with their defense of the alleged cheats who took performance enhancing drugs than they would when defending a misdemeanour drug of abuse charge.

I know that might sound a little odd but, you have to consider that the Union will be in a "difficult" position - how strongly can they defend a proportionately small number of players who have allegedly cheated and did so at the detrement of the rest of the Union members?!

Defending the "wrong" minority who have wronged the "right" majority if that makes sense.
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Re: Chris Perez Does Drugs!

Unread postby RedDawg53 » Sun Jun 09, 2013 10:15 am

Chris Perez charged with marijuana possession after package of pot mailed to HIS DOG. Sounds like he's related to Manny Ramirez

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Re: Chris Perez Does Drugs!

Unread postby idoctribefan » Sun Jun 09, 2013 5:24 pm

I didn't realize that 1-800-PET-MEDS sold medical mariujuana. FWIW, I've never known anyone named "Brody" who didn't smoke pot so the wife may have a legitimate defense.
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Re: Chris Perez Does Drugs!

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Mon Jun 10, 2013 6:27 pm

idoctribefan wrote:I didn't realize that 1-800-PET-MEDS sold medical mariujuana. FWIW, I've never known anyone named "Brody" who didn't smoke pot so the wife may have a legitimate defense.



You're an eye doctor, maybe Chris was just trying to prevent glaucoma.
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Re: Chris Perez Does Drugs!

Unread postby Spin » Mon Jun 10, 2013 10:38 pm

dazindiansfanuk wrote:Another thing is, there's also an argument that the Union may not be as vociferous with their defense of the alleged cheats who took performance enhancing drugs than they would when defending a misdemeanour drug of abuse charge.

I know that might sound a little odd but, you have to consider that the Union will be in a "difficult" position - how strongly can they defend a proportionately small number of players who have allegedly cheated and did so at the detrement of the rest of the Union members?!

Defending the "wrong" minority who have wronged the "right" majority if that makes sense.


That may be what MLB is banking on, because they basically have one witness who's a proven liar to back up their attempt at self destruction.
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Re: Chris Perez Does Drugs!

Unread postby idoctribefan » Tue Jun 11, 2013 12:25 am

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:
idoctribefan wrote:I didn't realize that 1-800-PET-MEDS sold medical mariujuana. FWIW, I've never known anyone named "Brody" who didn't smoke pot so the wife may have a legitimate defense.



You're an eye doctor, maybe Chris was just trying to prevent glaucoma.


FT1I's eye doctor should recommend a selective laser trabeculoplasty for his glaucoma, rather than medicinal therapy. The laser has minimal side effects. The chronic has many side effects including red eyes, apathy, and an insatiable appetite often resulting in man boobs. They should put the list of side effects on the plastic baggy so that people know what they're getting themselves into.
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Re: Chris Perez Does Drugs!

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Tue Jun 11, 2013 3:34 pm

idoctribefan wrote:
Cerebral_DownTime wrote:
idoctribefan wrote:I didn't realize that 1-800-PET-MEDS sold medical mariujuana. FWIW, I've never known anyone named "Brody" who didn't smoke pot so the wife may have a legitimate defense.



You're an eye doctor, maybe Chris was just trying to prevent glaucoma.


FT1I's eye doctor should recommend a selective laser trabeculoplasty for his glaucoma, rather than medicinal therapy. The laser has minimal side effects. The chronic has many side effects including red eyes, apathy, and an insatiable appetite often resulting in man boobs. They should put the list of side effects on the plastic baggy so that people know what they're getting themselves into.


Always with the lasers. Are eye doctors training to become Imperial Storm Troopers or something?
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Re: Chris Perez Does Drugs!

Unread postby idoctribefan » Wed Jun 12, 2013 12:00 am

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:
idoctribefan wrote:
Cerebral_DownTime wrote:
idoctribefan wrote:I didn't realize that 1-800-PET-MEDS sold medical mariujuana. FWIW, I've never known anyone named "Brody" who didn't smoke pot so the wife may have a legitimate defense.



You're an eye doctor, maybe Chris was just trying to prevent glaucoma.


FT1I's eye doctor should recommend a selective laser trabeculoplasty for his glaucoma, rather than medicinal therapy. The laser has minimal side effects. The chronic has many side effects including red eyes, apathy, and an insatiable appetite often resulting in man boobs. They should put the list of side effects on the plastic baggy so that people know what they're getting themselves into.


Always with the lasers. Are eye doctors training to become Imperial Storm Troopers or something?


Some of them, yes. But those with the highest midichlorian counts are training to become Jedi.
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Re: Chris Perez Does Drugs!

Unread postby googleeph2 » Fri Jun 14, 2013 9:04 am

ENjoyed the thread, but didn't see the obvious, so:

Sure, what Perez does is his own business. And smoking pot is no more harmful to the smoker than drinking.

But smoking on a regular basis absolutely affects you 24/7. You're not at your best, mentally or physically.
I don't think anyone who is being honest with themselves can deny that with a straight face.

Anyone who disagrees hasn't been there, or is in denial. And getting that much? There's either constant consumption or intent to distribute.


On a side note, when I was about 18, ca. 1980, I went for a physical. Dr. asked me whether I smoked pot. I was honest. Afterward, he took my mom aside and told her it's not dangerous, and she should not be worried. Kind of interesting, thinking about it now.
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Re: Chris Perez Does Drugs!

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Fri Jun 14, 2013 6:37 pm

But smoking on a regular basis absolutely affects you 24/7. You're not at your best, mentally or physically.
I don't think anyone who is being honest with themselves can deny that with a straight face.

Anyone who disagrees hasn't been there, or is in denial.


I can deny that with a straight face simply because I don't believe you have a clue to what you're talking about.
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Re: Chris Perez Does Drugs!

Unread postby pup » Fri Jun 14, 2013 9:34 pm

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:
But smoking on a regular basis absolutely affects you 24/7. You're not at your best, mentally or physically.
I don't think anyone who is being honest with themselves can deny that with a straight face.

Anyone who disagrees hasn't been there, or is in denial.


I can deny that with a straight face simply because I don't believe you have a clue to what you're talking about.


I second CDT.

Stereotypical stoner dude? You may have him nailed.

The other 60% of smokers you wouldn't know unless you were smoking with them. They are all over the place and you have no clue they are.
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Re: Chris Perez Does Drugs!

Unread postby motherscratcher » Fri Jun 14, 2013 11:37 pm

pup wrote:
Cerebral_DownTime wrote:
But smoking on a regular basis absolutely affects you 24/7. You're not at your best, mentally or physically.
I don't think anyone who is being honest with themselves can deny that with a straight face.

Anyone who disagrees hasn't been there, or is in denial.


I can deny that with a straight face simply because I don't believe you have a clue to what you're talking about.


I second CDT.

Stereotypical stoner dude? You may have him nailed.

The other 60% of smokers you wouldn't know unless you were smoking with them. They are all over the place and you have no clue they are.


They could be anywhere, man!!!
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Re: Chris Perez Does Drugs!

Unread postby 1Perry » Sun Jun 16, 2013 4:26 pm

Indians RHP Chris Perez (right shoulder strain) made his first rehab appearance for Class A Lake County, pitching one scoreless inning against Great Lakes. The Indians' closer started the game, allowing two hits while striking out one. ...

Is giving up two hits in one inning pitched in A ball considered a success?
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Re: Chris Perez Does Drugs!

Unread postby dazindiansfanuk » Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:43 pm

Perez just pitched his 2nd rehab appearance - in AA this time.

The outing went K, HR, K, HR, HBP, HR, 2B, RBI 1B (runner out advancing to 2B)

Finished with 1IP, 5H, 5R/ER, 0BB, 2K, 3 HRA

Not good.
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Re: Chris Perez Does Drugs!

Unread postby skatingtripods » Tue Jun 18, 2013 9:42 pm

At least he threw strikes. Or so it would seem. Guys don't really go yard on balls very often.
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Re: Chris Perez Does Drugs!

Unread postby dazindiansfanuk » Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:04 pm

Kip on the post game interview when asked about the wild 9th inning tonight replied with "Is Chris Perez not our closer? That was nothing tonight, we're used to it".

Said in jest.... and comedy gold!
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Re: Chris Perez Does Drugs!

Unread postby peeker643 » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:56 am

If Perez is healthy he's the guy. Makes everyone more effective and slots out the 7th, 8th and 9th every night.

And unless you have Eck or Rivera you're not avoiding 9th inning drama w/pretty much any closer over a three year period. There is no more bottom line business than that business.
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Re: Chris Perez Does Drugs!

Unread postby skatingtripods » Wed Jun 19, 2013 3:07 pm

peeker643 wrote:If Perez is healthy he's the guy. Makes everyone more effective and slots out the 7th, 8th and 9th every night.


This.

Pestano started some trends last year that weren't favorable for closing, mostly a drop in velocity and a drop in whiff rate - thus increasing the number of balls in play. This year, the whiff rate is even lower, line drive rate way up, fly ball rate way up, and velo down even further. I'm not entirely convinced that he has the make-up for the 9th either.

Perez has a lot more margin for error at 94 than Pestano does at 91, assuming Perez gets his velo back. If he's sitting 92 like he was, then I'm not sure he can be the guy either, unless he locates extremely well.

Neither guy is optimal, but most closers aren't optimal. I feel better with Perez there over Pestano, probably because Perez has done it and looks more confident doing it. Pestano doesn't look like the same guy pitching in this new role.
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Re: Chris Perez Does Drugs!

Unread postby motherscratcher » Wed Jun 19, 2013 3:27 pm

Perez probably just had a few jitters. Needs something to help him calm down a bit.

Anyone go any ideas?
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Re: Chris Perez Does Drugs!

Unread postby Larvell Blanks » Thu Jun 20, 2013 7:45 am

motherscratcher wrote:Perez probably just had a few jitters. Needs something to help him calm down a bit.

Anyone go any ideas?



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Re: Chris Perez Does Drugs!

Unread postby googleeph2 » Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:06 am

skatingtripods wrote: Pestano doesn't look like the same guy pitching in this new role.


A few games ago, he came on to close- I think it was vs the Reds, trying to close the first win after the losing streak. Before he started the inning, he already looked gassed. Sweating, huffing and puffing way harder than any baseball player should need to.
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Re: Chris Perez Does Drugs!

Unread postby skatingtripods » Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:26 am

googleeph2 wrote:
skatingtripods wrote: Pestano doesn't look like the same guy pitching in this new role.


A few games ago, he came on to close- I think it was vs the Reds, trying to close the first win after the losing streak. Before he started the inning, he already looked gassed. Sweating, huffing and puffing way harder than any baseball player should need to.


He's nibbling. Possibly a byproduct of knowing he doesn't have the same stuff and has to throw perfect pitches, but could also be a byproduct of nerves. It takes a special kind to close effectively. You have to be arrogant, whether openly or with immense confidence. You have to have an ego. You have to have the mentality that you can throw it past every hitter you face. I don't think Pestano has that. Seems like he used to, but he's a much different guy this season.

We could run down a very long list of closers who are/were complete dicks. I'm not saying that's a prerequisite, but there aren't many nice guys throwing 91-92 who are having lots of success in the closer role.


On a somewhat related note, the Indians are in a bit of a bind with the bullpen. With Perez likely walking as a free agent, and Joe Smith probably getting overpaid somewhere else, the Indians will have a pretty sizable reshuffling in the pen. They'll have to try out new LOOGYs, replace their closer and one of their primary setup men. They should be able to get by with Allen in a setup role. Shaw's platoon splits suck, so he should be a matchup guy. No way Albers or Hill are here. They'll keep hoping and praying Hagadone figures it out. Somebody will have to emerge from CC Lee, Preston Guilmet, or they may have to move Danny Salazar to the bullpen, though I don't think they want to abandon the starting experiment.

You really don't want to spend any sizable chunks of money on the bullpen unless you're getting a guy with a really great track record. Too much injury risk and year-to-year volatility, especially because guys coming off one or two good years have been used and abused.

I think Francona needs to be aware of this and try to use Cody Allen in more high leverage spots. I understand that we're trying to win games as well, but we'll be trying to win games next season too, so we need to slowly throw him into the fire this year and get him some experience in big spots.
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Re: Chris Perez Does Drugs!

Unread postby Kingpin74 » Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:48 am

I thought Perez wasn't a free agent until next year.

http://www.indiansbaseballinsider.com/payroll
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Re: Chris Perez Does Drugs!

Unread postby skatingtripods » Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:07 am

Kingpin74 wrote:I thought Perez wasn't a free agent until next year.

http://www.indiansbaseballinsider.com/payroll


You're right. My apologies.

This injury is probably a blessing in disguise then, because if he got 7.3M in his second year of arb, he was looking at north of 9 in his third year. I would hate to pay that much.

Not sure why I thought this season was his third year of arb. Either way, I wouldn't be shocked if he's not on the ballclub next season.
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