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Draft Day

Unread postby Adverb Harry » Thu Jun 06, 2013 10:49 am

Great work by Al the past few days with his draft primers. Today's the day we hopefully pick up a blue chip prospect who'll be a big part of the team for the next decade. It's generally considered a weak draft, but with the fifth pick, we ought to get a talented player. Unfortunately, the top four collegiate players (Appel, Gray, Bryant, and Moran) could all conceivably be off the table by our pick, and after them, there seems to be a drop off in talent, unless you're taking a prep player...and, in that case, you're waiting 3-4 years to see them in the majors.

From everything I've seen, it sounds like it all comes down to what Houston does with the first pick. There are rumblings they may do what they did last year--overdraft for savings later in the pool--and, in that case, we may have a shot at one of the "big four." There's a snowball's chance in hell that we get Appel or Gray, but I would kill to get Bryant--a big time righty power bat who can play a corner position. A lot of projections are showing Moran could fall to us, too, and he would be a fine consolation prize, but he's yet another lefty who doesn't project to have as much power. If Bryant is still on the board at the fifth pick, I'll be very happy...provided, of course, we don't do another "Naquin and save" picks like last year, which I doubt they would do anyway with the loss of second and third round picks afterward.

I guess we'll find out tonight what happens.
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Re: Draft Day

Unread postby skatingtripods » Thu Jun 06, 2013 12:00 pm

For those who haven't read them...

Part One: http://www.theclevelandfan.com/clevelan ... t-part-one

Part Two: http://www.theclevelandfan.com/clevelan ... t-part-two

Spoiler alert: Al has us taking Clint Frazier, a HS OF from Georgia.
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Re: Draft Day

Unread postby Dnthateonthepronk » Thu Jun 06, 2013 12:35 pm

Adverb Harry wrote: A lot of projections are showing Moran could fall to us, too, and he would be a fine consolation prize,



God I hope not. Cant play defense and alot of people are not sold on his power developing. I have not read a lot of nice things about him over the last year. Low floor not a very high ceiling.


If its between Meadows and Frazier I would take Meadows but then again I always think they need to draft a pitcher who they think can be a #1 starter so Im all for the highest rated pitcher if all things on their board are equal.
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Re: Draft Day

Unread postby dmiles » Thu Jun 06, 2013 1:23 pm

Meadows no way. Don't want to pay a guy who needs a mechanics overhaul. Adding 20-40 pounds to that swing is not going to matter. I had this discussion with a cross-checker I know who totally agreed with my analysis and he told he's had trouble convincing his scouts of the same thing so who knows. I am sure his team won't be drafting him, but a couple of his guys were pushing him.

Frazier to me has the upside potential and my son's team played against their team at East Cobb last year. Had them down 5-0 too and let it slip until Frazier hit a walk-off HR in the bottom of the 7th.

That said I am not so sure I don't want to see a big arm taken here. Good Stuff Al.
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Re: Draft Day

Unread postby dmiles » Thu Jun 06, 2013 1:26 pm

How the hell is Ryan Stanek 6'4" but only 180? I watched him pitch the other day and my son is 6'2" 210 and Stanek looked thicker and broader to me. Ehhh maybe my kid could be closer to 6'3" but still Stanek didn't look that light to me. It's not like the guy has peg legs do they re-measure these boys after their freshman year?
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Re: Draft Day

Unread postby skatingtripods » Thu Jun 06, 2013 1:40 pm

No disrespect to Al and his hard work, but wake me up in three years when we know if this guy actually has a shot at The Show and if there's any chance he can make an impact.
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Re: Draft Day

Unread postby peeker643 » Thu Jun 06, 2013 2:32 pm

skatingtripods wrote:No disrespect to Al and his hard work, but wake me up in three years when we know if this guy actually has a shot at The Show and if there's any chance he can make an impact.


Well, the guy they took three years ago this month pitches tomorrow night.

It might not be him exactly, but it's what they turned him into.

I'm with dmiles: I'd draft 55 rounds worth of power arms, let them tear through Low A like crazy, see half of them dominate High A, half that half have success at AA, pump up their bios and get the PR machine rolling and sell half of that half to teams that need more Pomeranz's and Whites.

Yeah...a little hyperbole but...

The guys you draft high don't HAVE to make it big for you. They're assets if someone thinks they need them too. Before theprospect can prove they ain't.

Pitching is power. There's one guy on this Indians everyday lineup who was drafted and developed and is above league average. And they've picked a shitload of position players.

Pitchers, pitchers, pitchers. Have a surplus of that and you still don't have enough, but you can get anything else in the game with it.
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Re: Draft Day

Unread postby Jumbo » Thu Jun 06, 2013 3:16 pm

ESPN had a blog post a week or so ago on the last All Star drafted by each team. The last All-Star drafted by the Indians was...

http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/36350/last-time-each-al-team-drafted-an-all-star

C.C. Sabathia. In 1998.
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Re: Draft Day

Unread postby Pabo » Thu Jun 06, 2013 6:38 pm

Jumbo wrote:ESPN had a blog post a week or so ago on the last All Star drafted by each team. The last All-Star drafted by the Indians was...

http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/36350/last-time-each-al-team-drafted-an-all-star

C.C. Sabathia. In 1998.


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Re: Draft Day

Unread postby Adverb Harry » Thu Jun 06, 2013 7:14 pm

Appell goes number 1. No way Bryant falls to us now.
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Re: Draft Day

Unread postby Adverb Harry » Thu Jun 06, 2013 7:20 pm

And we're definitely not getting him now...Cubs took him at #2.
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Re: Draft Day

Unread postby Adverb Harry » Thu Jun 06, 2013 7:24 pm

Gray to Colorado. Bet he's excited. ;-) ;) :wink:
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Re: Draft Day

Unread postby Adverb Harry » Thu Jun 06, 2013 7:29 pm

Kohl Stewart to Twins. We're up.
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Re: Draft Day

Unread postby OrganFreeman » Thu Jun 06, 2013 7:35 pm

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Re: Draft Day

Unread postby Adverb Harry » Thu Jun 06, 2013 7:37 pm

I'll take him.
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Re: Draft Day

Unread postby skatingtripods » Thu Jun 06, 2013 7:41 pm

Good call, Al.
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Re: Draft Day

Unread postby dmiles » Thu Jun 06, 2013 7:42 pm

Excellent was really happy about this pick. Let's hope he pans out.
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Re: Draft Day

Unread postby rebelwithoutaclue » Thu Jun 06, 2013 7:49 pm

Don't know anything about him but glad the Indians are still shooting for upside instead of lumbering college seniors.
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Re: Draft Day

Unread postby Adverb Harry » Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:11 pm

Still would have liked to have gotten Bryant, but the chances were pretty slim on that happening, anyway. Frazier was my next choice. The instant gratification part of me likes college players just because they're theoretically closer to the bigs, but that's not always necessarily the case, and besides, athleticism trumps everything, and by all accounts, this kid has got that in spades. Hopefully in a year or two's time, we'll be talking about him in the same breath as Lindor...an untouchable elite prospect.
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Re: Draft Day

Unread postby Symbolic47 » Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:38 pm

LIke the pick.....
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Re: Draft Day

Unread postby pup » Thu Jun 06, 2013 9:05 pm

Let me get this straight. You can basically punt in the draft, take a guy, not sign him, leave yourself cash to go over slot on another guy and get rewarded with a higher pick next year?

Sign me up for that plan.
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Re: Draft Day

Unread postby motherscratcher » Thu Jun 06, 2013 9:33 pm

pup wrote:Let me get this straight. You can basically punt in the draft, take a guy, not sign him, leave yourself cash to go over slot on another guy and get rewarded with a higher pick next year?

Sign me up for that plan.


Yup, the draft is ridiculous, especially in baseball.

here is a great article by Rany about the draft that i just finished:

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9348666/the-mlb-draft-work-quite-possibly-immoral-replace-it

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Re: Draft Day

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Fri Jun 07, 2013 8:22 am

So who did we draft and what does he do?
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Re: Draft Day

Unread postby rebelwithoutaclue » Fri Jun 07, 2013 9:39 am

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:So who did we draft and what does he do?


Per ESPN draft team:

5. Cleveland Indians: Clint Frazier | OF, Loganville (Ga.) HS


Frazier was the best performer of the high school hitters this spring, outshining Austin Meadows, a fellow Georgia product, showing plus power and a strong arm. The Indians' system needs talent and it's a bit of a surprise they went with a high school player, but Frazier qualifies as a best-player scenario. It'll be interesting to see where he ends up in pro ball, but the bat should play anywhere, despite the lack of physical projection.

The Indians came into the draft with pitching as one area of need, so perhaps they go in that direction in the next few rounds. -- Churchill



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Re: Draft Day

Unread postby 7foot3 » Fri Jun 07, 2013 1:13 pm

pup wrote:Let me get this straight. You can basically punt in the draft, take a guy, not sign him, leave yourself cash to go over slot on another guy and get rewarded with a higher pick next year?

Sign me up for that plan.


You lose the slot value if you don't sign a guy. And it's not a higher pick, it's the same slot. And, of course, you're not adding a top tier player to your system, so you better be damn sure that you're going to be getting a better deal next year.
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Re: Draft Day

Unread postby Erie Warrior » Fri Jun 07, 2013 8:51 pm

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:So who did we draft and what does he do?


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Re: Draft Day

Unread postby skatingtripods » Mon Jul 29, 2013 6:38 pm

Clint Frazier homered today in the Arizona League game. Jason Cole, of Lone Star Dugout and Baseball Prospectus was there. Here's the video of Frazier's HR:

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Re: Draft Day

Unread postby skatingtripods » Wed Sep 04, 2013 2:38 pm

Former scout and MLB.com contributor Bernie Pleskoff wrote up his thoughts after seeing Clint Frazier: http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd ... b&c_id=mlb

I quoted the most "scouty" sounding parts.

Frazier's grit, makeup, size and energy remind me of Lenny Dykstra. If Dykstra was "Nails," Frazier is "Nails Plus."

Frazier brings strength, speed and power, plus an overt love of baseball to his game. He's the guy you want next to you in a foxhole, or on your team. He's that competitive and impressive. But he'll get even better.

Frazier's bat speed may be the component that sets him apart from the average good hitter. His muscular hands, wrists and arms get through the ball in a flash, generating line drives and loft with backspin.

With his hands held back nicely and his head down at the level of the ball, Frazier does not waste energy and timing on non-essential movement. His swing is measured and compact.

My concern with Frazier at this point rests entirely with his defense. I have seen him fooled badly on balls in the air in Arizona. Games are played at night, and the bright sun doesn't come into play. However, Frazier's recognition of the trajectory of the ball has been late at times. His routes need a great deal of work.

At this stage, I project Frazier to have less trouble and more success as a left fielder, even though he has awesome arm strength and can throw with the carry of a right fielder. Center field may continue to be a burdensome and unnecessary challenge. But time and experience may well smooth out his approach in the middle of the outfield. That's what a development program is intended to accomplish.

Look for Frazier to continue to develop his power and hitting abilities in the Indians' system. And he might even get stronger. His lofty Draft selection was very well deserved.
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Re: Draft Day

Unread postby peeker643 » Wed Sep 04, 2013 3:12 pm

Keep him away from pick-up hoops games and sprinkler heads.

What do home-grown legit outfield prospects look like again? If you're 30 or under I'm pretty sure there's no way you can remember as it pertains to the Indians.

Be nice to break that run of shitty picks.

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Re: Draft Day

Unread postby YahooFanChicago » Thu Sep 05, 2013 3:00 am

Well we had the one year with Jody Gerrut.

Isn't that enough for you spoiled Indians fan? Now go out and by some tickets cheap ass.

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Re: Draft Day

Unread postby peeker643 » Thu Sep 05, 2013 10:45 am

YahooFanChicago wrote:Well we had the one year with Jody Gerrut.

Isn't that enough for you spoiled Indians fan? Now go out and by some tickets cheap ass.

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Jody Gerut was a Rockies pick.
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Re: Draft Day

Unread postby skatingtripods » Thu Sep 05, 2013 11:05 am

Isn't that enough for you spoiled Indians fan? Now go out and by some tickets cheap ass.

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They've done things on their end for this season. Hired an analytics firm to evaluate attendance trends and re-evaluate promotions. Spent plenty of money in the offseason. Lowered concession prices. The fans, by and large, have not responded, despite the team remaining in playoff contention into the final month of the season.
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Re: Draft Day

Unread postby motherscratcher » Thu Sep 05, 2013 12:31 pm

peeker643 wrote:Keep him away from pick-up hoops games and sprinkler heads.

What do home-grown legit outfield prospects look like again? If you're 30 or under I'm pretty sure there's no way you can remember as it pertains to the Indians.

Be nice to break that run of shitty picks.

Oh....and, no, Trevor Crowe should not be your answer to the above question.


They should just go ahead and do microfracture surgery on his left knee and lop off one of his fingers right now. Get him ready for spring 2015. Any delay is just going to set his development back.
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Re: Draft Day

Unread postby YahooFanChicago » Thu Sep 05, 2013 9:10 pm

peeker643 wrote:
YahooFanChicago wrote:Well we had the one year with Jody Gerrut.

Isn't that enough for you spoiled Indians fan? Now go out and by some tickets cheap ass.

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Jody Gerut was a Rockies pick.



Which is win-win for the Indians and for you. You were able to watch his brilliant ROY campaign and we were able to acquire him without paying his signing bonus.

Now are you going to buy some tickets or not? We're a contender you know and it is well documented on these web pages that we have the easiest schedule and are a lock for the WC. So buy some dynamic priced tickets -- my recommendation is wait until gameday and select lower deck reserved or better.
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Re: Draft Day

Unread postby leadpipe » Thu Sep 05, 2013 9:21 pm

peeker643 wrote:
YahooFanChicago wrote:Well we had the one year with Jody Gerrut.

Isn't that enough for you spoiled Indians fan? Now go out and by some tickets cheap ass.

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Jody Gerut was a Rockies pick.


What about Chris Magruder?
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Re: Draft Day

Unread postby skatingtripods » Thu Sep 05, 2013 9:39 pm

leadpipe wrote:
peeker643 wrote:
YahooFanChicago wrote:Well we had the one year with Jody Gerrut.

Isn't that enough for you spoiled Indians fan? Now go out and by some tickets cheap ass.

.The Management


Jody Gerut was a Rockies pick.


What about Chris Magruder?


Giants 2nd rounder in 1998. Acquired from the Rangers in 2002 for Rashad Eldridge, who was a career .270/.736 hitter in 11 minor league seasons.
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Re: Draft Day

Unread postby leadpipe » Fri Sep 06, 2013 7:31 am

skatingtripods wrote:
leadpipe wrote:
peeker643 wrote:
YahooFanChicago wrote:Well we had the one year with Jody Gerrut.

Isn't that enough for you spoiled Indians fan? Now go out and by some tickets cheap ass.

.The Management


Jody Gerut was a Rockies pick.


What about Chris Magruder?


Giants 2nd rounder in 1998. Acquired from the Rangers in 2002 for Rashad Eldridge, who was a career .270/.736 hitter in 11 minor league seasons.


One could argue the G-Men got the better of that deal.

I'd rather have never known Rashad Eldridge existed, than to have to suffer through watching Chris Magruder's Major League career.
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