Text Size

Cleveland Indians & MLB

13/5 Indians v Yankees Making revision more bearable edition

Talk Tribe, talk baseball in this forum.

Moderators: peeker643, swerb, pup, paulcousineau

Re: 13/5 Indians v Yankees Making revision more bearable edi

Unread postby Am I Here Again? » Mon May 13, 2013 2:34 pm

Wow, this game gave me playoff-game chills! This was GREAT! BALLGAME! :partyers:
I've tried 'em all, I really have, and the only church that truly feeds the soul, day in, day out, is the Church of Baseball.~~~Annie Savoy-"Bull Durham"
User avatar
Am I Here Again?
Tribe-a-Holic
 
Posts: 1155
Joined: Fri May 29, 2009 1:28 am
Location: In exile in MA :-(
Favorite Player: Sam McDowell
Least Favorite Player: Any Red Sox or Yank

Re: 13/5 Indians v Yankees Making revision more bearable edi

Unread postby Dnthateonthepronk » Mon May 13, 2013 2:34 pm

:dingle:
Alex White: Just like School on Sunday......No Class.
User avatar
Dnthateonthepronk
 
Posts: 1823
Joined: Sat Feb 12, 2011 12:57 pm
Location: Virginia Beach
Favorite Player: Dan Marino
Least Favorite Player: Alex Rodriguez

Re: 13/5 Indians v Yankees Making revision more bearable edi

Unread postby googleeph2 » Mon May 13, 2013 2:37 pm

Man, great outing.

MLB.com gameday click on "classic" - I used to use the ESPN site but have been won over.
User avatar
googleeph2
 
Posts: 1710
Joined: Thu Jul 06, 2006 8:40 am
Favorite Player: Todd Beamer
Least Favorite Player: .

Re: 13/5 Indians v Yankees Making revision more bearable edi

Unread postby skatingtripods » Mon May 13, 2013 2:39 pm

Masterson's second 1-0 CG SHO of the season. Other one was the Swisher walk-off against Chicago.
A God Damn dead man would understand that if a minor league bus in any city took a real sharp right turn, a Zack McCalister would likely fall out. - Lead Pipe
User avatar
skatingtripods
Sloth Duncan
 
Posts: 14346
Joined: Tue May 01, 2007 12:27 pm
Location: Cleveland
Favorite Player: Mike Aviles
Least Favorite Player: Every Detroit Tiger

Re: 13/5 Indians v Yankees Making revision more bearable edi

Unread postby dazindiansfanuk » Mon May 13, 2013 2:41 pm

Game 2 first pitch at 3.10pm ET
User avatar
dazindiansfanuk
Tyner Is God
 
Posts: 8985
Joined: Fri Apr 27, 2007 9:21 am
Location: Cardiff, UK
Favorite Player: Jhonny Peralta
Least Favorite Player: Curt Schilling

Re: 13/5 Indians v Yankees Making revision more bearable edi

Unread postby skatingtripods » Mon May 13, 2013 2:44 pm

Justin Masterson is one hell of an interview. Quite a character.
A God Damn dead man would understand that if a minor league bus in any city took a real sharp right turn, a Zack McCalister would likely fall out. - Lead Pipe
User avatar
skatingtripods
Sloth Duncan
 
Posts: 14346
Joined: Tue May 01, 2007 12:27 pm
Location: Cleveland
Favorite Player: Mike Aviles
Least Favorite Player: Every Detroit Tiger

Re: 13/5 Indians v Yankees Making revision more bearable edi

Unread postby pod2dawg » Mon May 13, 2013 2:50 pm

:clap:
User avatar
pod2dawg
Warrior Poet aka Thread Killer
 
Posts: 1317
Joined: Wed Apr 18, 2007 8:34 pm
Favorite Player: Phil Gordon
Least Favorite Player: Lane Kiffin

Re: 13/5 Indians v Yankees Making revision more bearable edi

Unread postby British_Pharaoh » Mon May 13, 2013 3:00 pm

Game 2

CLE: Bauer 1-1, 2.70ERA
NYY: Nuno 0-0, 0.00ERA

neither pitcher has a career record against the opposing team

Yankees

Gardner
Nix
Cano
Wells
Overbay
Francisco
Joseph
Gonzalez
Romine



Indians

Stubbs CF
Brantley LF
Cabrera SS
Swisher DH
Santana 1B
Reynolds 3B
Raburn RF
Aviles 2B
Gomes C


For the ladies
Image
"There is but one thing of real value: to cultivate truth and justice and to live without anger in the midst of lying and unjust men"

-Marcus Aurelius
User avatar
British_Pharaoh
Tony Sipp IS HERE!
 
Posts: 9154
Joined: Fri Oct 13, 2006 9:31 pm
Location: Pardubice, Czech Republic
Favorite Player: Michael Brantley
Least Favorite Player: Alexei Ramirez

Re: 13/5 Indians v Yankees Making revision more bearable edi

Unread postby skatingtripods » Mon May 13, 2013 3:23 pm

Good thing Santana can hit because it's really hard to put him anywhere on the diamond defensively.
A God Damn dead man would understand that if a minor league bus in any city took a real sharp right turn, a Zack McCalister would likely fall out. - Lead Pipe
User avatar
skatingtripods
Sloth Duncan
 
Posts: 14346
Joined: Tue May 01, 2007 12:27 pm
Location: Cleveland
Favorite Player: Mike Aviles
Least Favorite Player: Every Detroit Tiger

Re: 13/5 Indians v Yankees Making revision more bearable edi

Unread postby skatingtripods » Mon May 13, 2013 3:25 pm

Meanwhile, the Indians proving why Bauer believes fly balls > ground balls.
A God Damn dead man would understand that if a minor league bus in any city took a real sharp right turn, a Zack McCalister would likely fall out. - Lead Pipe
User avatar
skatingtripods
Sloth Duncan
 
Posts: 14346
Joined: Tue May 01, 2007 12:27 pm
Location: Cleveland
Favorite Player: Mike Aviles
Least Favorite Player: Every Detroit Tiger

Re: 13/5 Indians v Yankees Making revision more bearable edi

Unread postby Dnthateonthepronk » Mon May 13, 2013 3:40 pm

everything still up, little better in the 2nd
Alex White: Just like School on Sunday......No Class.
User avatar
Dnthateonthepronk
 
Posts: 1823
Joined: Sat Feb 12, 2011 12:57 pm
Location: Virginia Beach
Favorite Player: Dan Marino
Least Favorite Player: Alex Rodriguez

Re: 13/5 Indians v Yankees Making revision more bearable edi

Unread postby skatingtripods » Mon May 13, 2013 3:48 pm

Dnthateonthepronk wrote:everything still up, little better in the 2nd


Q: If I'm not mistaken that was the night you went on Twitter and said something about not liking ground balls. It sort of seemed like a lot of people were like, 'Wait, what?'

A: "Yeah. It was controversial. I knew that when I posted it. It was part of the reason I posted it. I like to post things that make people think. The initial reaction to 'I hate ground balls' is, 'Oh my God, the sky is falling! How could anyone...' But when you actually look at it and think about the statistics behind it, it makes a lot of sense. Hitters are trained to hit the ball hard on the ground. Fly balls are bad. You don't want to hit the ball in the air. Hit the ball on the ground. Pitchers are taught to get them to hit the ball on the ground. Something's got to give. Hitters and pitchers can't both want the same thing. And ground balls have a much higher chance of producing a base runner. You've got to field the ball, throw the ball and field the ball again. That's three things you have to do. A fly ball you just have to catch it. A strikeout you don't have to do anything. Ground balls statistically go for hits a lot more than fly balls.

"Sure, fly balls produce more power numbers and stuff like that. But everyone gets so scared of the home run and the double, but if you actually have a plan on how to disrupt hitters' timing and you're not just guessing, 'Oh, I think this pitch here' 'I think that pitch there.' With Effective Velocity and understanding the physics behind a swing and hitters' timing and stuff like that -- I'm not scared of giving up fly balls. If I do a good job of disrupting a hitter's timing, they're not going to be able to hit it out of the park. So, to me, strikeouts and fly balls are key. The more of those I can get the better off I'm going to do. The amount of fly balls that I get aren't going to produce the amount of hits that some other pitchers' fly balls may produce. At least that's the theory. And, so far, it's proven out. I don't know how it's going to play at the big league level.

"It's just stuff like that that challenges the conventional wisdom. 'Do it because everybody else does it.' I'm not exactly in that mold. People don't know how to take it sometimes. It's not just frustration. 'Oh, I gave up five hits on ground balls today so now I hate ground balls.' I feel like I'm doing a better job of sequencing pitches and stuff like that if I get the ball hit in the air than if I get it hit on the ground."

You said you knew it would be controversial when you threw it out there...

"It's not so much a reaction. It's not that I'm trying to provoke people or poke people to get a reaction. I know that when I said something like that it would be somewhat controversial and people wouldn't really at first understand it. And so then people would ask me question and after I explain the ideology behind it, it just makes people think. I enjoy making people think about whether there's a better way to do things."


Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/sports/diamond ... z2TChp48W8
A God Damn dead man would understand that if a minor league bus in any city took a real sharp right turn, a Zack McCalister would likely fall out. - Lead Pipe
User avatar
skatingtripods
Sloth Duncan
 
Posts: 14346
Joined: Tue May 01, 2007 12:27 pm
Location: Cleveland
Favorite Player: Mike Aviles
Least Favorite Player: Every Detroit Tiger

Re: 13/5 Indians v Yankees Making revision more bearable edi

Unread postby Dnthateonthepronk » Mon May 13, 2013 3:52 pm

Im not disagreeing with him. My concern is he is UP and OUT of the strike zone. Throw the ball wherever you want too but throw strikes or throw pitchers strikes. If he cant throw it for strikes he is going to keep going only 5 innings and walking 6 or 7 guys.
Alex White: Just like School on Sunday......No Class.
User avatar
Dnthateonthepronk
 
Posts: 1823
Joined: Sat Feb 12, 2011 12:57 pm
Location: Virginia Beach
Favorite Player: Dan Marino
Least Favorite Player: Alex Rodriguez

Re: 13/5 Indians v Yankees Making revision more bearable edi

Unread postby skatingtripods » Mon May 13, 2013 3:58 pm

Dnthateonthepronk wrote:Im not disagreeing with him. My concern is he is UP and OUT of the strike zone. Throw the ball wherever you want too but throw strikes or throw pitchers strikes. If he cant throw it for strikes he is going to keep going only 5 innings and walking 6 or 7 guys.


Hardest pitch for a hitter to lay off is the high fastball. He needs to spot it better in terms of hitting the corners, yes. Too many of them miss by a ton or get too much plate. But, I have no problem with his pitching philosophy.

He'll have to adjust to Major League hitters in that he'll need to pitch backwards (start with offspeed, then go to fastball) more often to keep them honest, but I have no doubt that he's studying every plate appearance and trying to improve from it.
A God Damn dead man would understand that if a minor league bus in any city took a real sharp right turn, a Zack McCalister would likely fall out. - Lead Pipe
User avatar
skatingtripods
Sloth Duncan
 
Posts: 14346
Joined: Tue May 01, 2007 12:27 pm
Location: Cleveland
Favorite Player: Mike Aviles
Least Favorite Player: Every Detroit Tiger

Re: 13/5 Indians v Yankees Making revision more bearable edi

Unread postby Dnthateonthepronk » Mon May 13, 2013 4:06 pm

skatingtripods wrote:
Hardest pitch for a hitter to lay off is the high fastball. He needs to spot it better in terms of hitting the corners, yes. Too many of them miss by a ton or get too much plate. But, I have no problem with his pitching philosophy.



I dont either, if thats how he works and he can make it successful then great. There are a million ways to do things successfully. He wants to throw high strikes great....but throw strikes. He has to locate better in and around the top of the zone and like you said pitch backwards.
Alex White: Just like School on Sunday......No Class.
User avatar
Dnthateonthepronk
 
Posts: 1823
Joined: Sat Feb 12, 2011 12:57 pm
Location: Virginia Beach
Favorite Player: Dan Marino
Least Favorite Player: Alex Rodriguez

Re: 13/5 Indians v Yankees Making revision more bearable edi

Unread postby skatingtripods » Mon May 13, 2013 4:09 pm

Good thing Vidal Nuno is 5'5".
A God Damn dead man would understand that if a minor league bus in any city took a real sharp right turn, a Zack McCalister would likely fall out. - Lead Pipe
User avatar
skatingtripods
Sloth Duncan
 
Posts: 14346
Joined: Tue May 01, 2007 12:27 pm
Location: Cleveland
Favorite Player: Mike Aviles
Least Favorite Player: Every Detroit Tiger

Re: 13/5 Indians v Yankees Making revision more bearable edi

Unread postby pup » Mon May 13, 2013 4:18 pm

His biggest problem will be there are no high strikes in the show.
Home Run Leaders as RHB 5/7/13

Mark Reynolds (10)
User avatar
pup
Closet Shapiro Fan
 
Posts: 12020
Joined: Thu Jan 19, 2006 9:15 pm
Location: Eastlake, Ohio
Favorite Player: Vince Shubrownicek
Least Favorite Player: Any other coach

Re: 13/5 Indians v Yankees Making revision more bearable edi

Unread postby skatingtripods » Mon May 13, 2013 4:21 pm

pup wrote:His biggest problem will be there are no high strikes in the show.


Yes. Most umps have a low zone. You're right. Some of those high fastballs are strikes that go uncalled.

Strikeout rates keep climbing too. Over 20% of all plate appearances end in a K this season. Been setting season highs every year since 2008.
A God Damn dead man would understand that if a minor league bus in any city took a real sharp right turn, a Zack McCalister would likely fall out. - Lead Pipe
User avatar
skatingtripods
Sloth Duncan
 
Posts: 14346
Joined: Tue May 01, 2007 12:27 pm
Location: Cleveland
Favorite Player: Mike Aviles
Least Favorite Player: Every Detroit Tiger

Re: 13/5 Indians v Yankees Making revision more bearable edi

Unread postby skatingtripods » Mon May 13, 2013 4:23 pm

Just like that 2-2 curve ball he just threw. That's a strike.
A God Damn dead man would understand that if a minor league bus in any city took a real sharp right turn, a Zack McCalister would likely fall out. - Lead Pipe
User avatar
skatingtripods
Sloth Duncan
 
Posts: 14346
Joined: Tue May 01, 2007 12:27 pm
Location: Cleveland
Favorite Player: Mike Aviles
Least Favorite Player: Every Detroit Tiger

Re: 13/5 Indians v Yankees Making revision more bearable edi

Unread postby pup » Mon May 13, 2013 4:25 pm

skatingtripods wrote:
pup wrote:His biggest problem will be there are no high strikes in the show.


Yes. Most umps have a low zone. You're right. Some of those high fastballs are strikes that go uncalled.

Strikeout rates keep climbing too. Over 20% of all plate appearances end in a K this season. Been setting season highs every year since 2008.


Strike outs go up because guys are willing to stand there and hope for a walk, not because the high strike is being called.
Home Run Leaders as RHB 5/7/13

Mark Reynolds (10)
User avatar
pup
Closet Shapiro Fan
 
Posts: 12020
Joined: Thu Jan 19, 2006 9:15 pm
Location: Eastlake, Ohio
Favorite Player: Vince Shubrownicek
Least Favorite Player: Any other coach

Re: 13/5 Indians v Yankees Making revision more bearable edi

Unread postby dazindiansfanuk » Mon May 13, 2013 4:25 pm

Bauer's definitely showing progress but it's tough to watch right now...... I imagine it's painful playing defense behind him.
User avatar
dazindiansfanuk
Tyner Is God
 
Posts: 8985
Joined: Fri Apr 27, 2007 9:21 am
Location: Cardiff, UK
Favorite Player: Jhonny Peralta
Least Favorite Player: Curt Schilling

Re: 13/5 Indians v Yankees Making revision more bearable edi

Unread postby Dnthateonthepronk » Mon May 13, 2013 4:26 pm

skatingtripods wrote:Just like that 2-2 curve ball he just threw. That's a strike.



thought the same thing
Alex White: Just like School on Sunday......No Class.
User avatar
Dnthateonthepronk
 
Posts: 1823
Joined: Sat Feb 12, 2011 12:57 pm
Location: Virginia Beach
Favorite Player: Dan Marino
Least Favorite Player: Alex Rodriguez

Re: 13/5 Indians v Yankees Making revision more bearable edi

Unread postby skatingtripods » Mon May 13, 2013 4:29 pm

pup wrote:
skatingtripods wrote:
pup wrote:His biggest problem will be there are no high strikes in the show.


Yes. Most umps have a low zone. You're right. Some of those high fastballs are strikes that go uncalled.

Strikeout rates keep climbing too. Over 20% of all plate appearances end in a K this season. Been setting season highs every year since 2008.


Strike outs go up because guys are willing to stand there and hope for a walk, not because the high strike is being called.


I wasn't trying to suggest a correlation of any kind between the two points. Should have separated them better.

For what it's worth, since 2000, the range in swing rates is just 1.2%. Highest was 2002 at 46.5%. Lowest was 2009 at 45.3%.
A God Damn dead man would understand that if a minor league bus in any city took a real sharp right turn, a Zack McCalister would likely fall out. - Lead Pipe
User avatar
skatingtripods
Sloth Duncan
 
Posts: 14346
Joined: Tue May 01, 2007 12:27 pm
Location: Cleveland
Favorite Player: Mike Aviles
Least Favorite Player: Every Detroit Tiger

Re: 13/5 Indians v Yankees Making revision more bearable edi

Unread postby skatingtripods » Mon May 13, 2013 4:42 pm

You can see how good Bauer's raw stuff is. Especially when you consider that he's starting the majority of the at bats 1-0 or 2-0, yet not getting hit hard. Again, a little bit of a watered down lineup, but you can see the kid's talent. Needs some polishing, but from a stuff perspective, it's as good as any we've seen here in a long time. Late rise on the fastball. Good slow curve. Pretty good assortment of changeups.

Offense needs to figure out this soft tosser.
A God Damn dead man would understand that if a minor league bus in any city took a real sharp right turn, a Zack McCalister would likely fall out. - Lead Pipe
User avatar
skatingtripods
Sloth Duncan
 
Posts: 14346
Joined: Tue May 01, 2007 12:27 pm
Location: Cleveland
Favorite Player: Mike Aviles
Least Favorite Player: Every Detroit Tiger

Re: 13/5 Indians v Yankees Making revision more bearable edi

Unread postby pup » Mon May 13, 2013 4:43 pm

Taking the 5 from TB, or running him back out there to start the 6th? I think you see what he has with another inning.
Home Run Leaders as RHB 5/7/13

Mark Reynolds (10)
User avatar
pup
Closet Shapiro Fan
 
Posts: 12020
Joined: Thu Jan 19, 2006 9:15 pm
Location: Eastlake, Ohio
Favorite Player: Vince Shubrownicek
Least Favorite Player: Any other coach

Re: 13/5 Indians v Yankees Making revision more bearable edi

Unread postby pup » Mon May 13, 2013 4:44 pm

skatingtripods wrote:
pup wrote:
skatingtripods wrote:
pup wrote:His biggest problem will be there are no high strikes in the show.


Yes. Most umps have a low zone. You're right. Some of those high fastballs are strikes that go uncalled.

Strikeout rates keep climbing too. Over 20% of all plate appearances end in a K this season. Been setting season highs every year since 2008.


Strike outs go up because guys are willing to stand there and hope for a walk, not because the high strike is being called.


I wasn't trying to suggest a correlation of any kind between the two points. Should have separated them better.

For what it's worth, since 2000, the range in swing rates is just 1.2%. Highest was 2002 at 46.5%. Lowest was 2009 at 45.3%.


Interesting and surprising.
Home Run Leaders as RHB 5/7/13

Mark Reynolds (10)
User avatar
pup
Closet Shapiro Fan
 
Posts: 12020
Joined: Thu Jan 19, 2006 9:15 pm
Location: Eastlake, Ohio
Favorite Player: Vince Shubrownicek
Least Favorite Player: Any other coach

Re: 13/5 Indians v Yankees Making revision more bearable edi

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Mon May 13, 2013 4:45 pm

Pup called a stat interesting. /dead
“Irony is wasted on the stupid” - Oscar Wilde
User avatar
e0y2e3
Et Tu, Brute?
 
Posts: 13982
Joined: Mon Mar 12, 2007 5:41 pm
Favorite Player: Prosecutor
Least Favorite Player: motherscratcher

Re: 13/5 Indians v Yankees Making revision more bearable edi

Unread postby skatingtripods » Mon May 13, 2013 4:46 pm

pup wrote:Taking the 5 from TB, or running him back out there to start the 6th? I think you see what he has with another inning.


Send him back out there. He's really settled in well. Try to get him a couple runs in the sixth since Nuno will be done. Was only supposed to throw around 75 pitches.
A God Damn dead man would understand that if a minor league bus in any city took a real sharp right turn, a Zack McCalister would likely fall out. - Lead Pipe
User avatar
skatingtripods
Sloth Duncan
 
Posts: 14346
Joined: Tue May 01, 2007 12:27 pm
Location: Cleveland
Favorite Player: Mike Aviles
Least Favorite Player: Every Detroit Tiger

Re: 13/5 Indians v Yankees Making revision more bearable edi

Unread postby pup » Mon May 13, 2013 4:51 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:Pup called a stat interesting. /dead


Just buying time until I can destroy the validity of it...
Home Run Leaders as RHB 5/7/13

Mark Reynolds (10)
User avatar
pup
Closet Shapiro Fan
 
Posts: 12020
Joined: Thu Jan 19, 2006 9:15 pm
Location: Eastlake, Ohio
Favorite Player: Vince Shubrownicek
Least Favorite Player: Any other coach

Re: 13/5 Indians v Yankees Making revision more bearable edi

Unread postby dazindiansfanuk » Mon May 13, 2013 4:52 pm

You could see Nuno mouth to the catcher when he went out "Fastball away".... and he executed.

Taking a strike 3 fastball though probably shouldn't happen.
User avatar
dazindiansfanuk
Tyner Is God
 
Posts: 8985
Joined: Fri Apr 27, 2007 9:21 am
Location: Cardiff, UK
Favorite Player: Jhonny Peralta
Least Favorite Player: Curt Schilling

Re: 13/5 Indians v Yankees Making revision more bearable edi

Unread postby dazindiansfanuk » Mon May 13, 2013 4:57 pm

Nice job Bauer - best start as an Indian by far..... now let's get him some runs.

Can the Yankees bring someone in with a half decent fastball who doesn't throw junk curve balls every other pitch please?!
User avatar
dazindiansfanuk
Tyner Is God
 
Posts: 8985
Joined: Fri Apr 27, 2007 9:21 am
Location: Cardiff, UK
Favorite Player: Jhonny Peralta
Least Favorite Player: Curt Schilling

Re: 13/5 Indians v Yankees Making revision more bearable edi

Unread postby skatingtripods » Mon May 13, 2013 4:59 pm

pup wrote:
e0y2e3 wrote:Pup called a stat interesting. /dead


Just buying time until I can destroy the validity of it...


It's probably not a coincidence that the six highest average fastball velocities by season from 2000-13 are the last six years.

The highest seasons by outside the zone swinging percentage? 2012, 2011, 2013, 2010, 2008, 2009. 30.8% to 25.1%.

If you want to look for yourself, here's the link: http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?p ... &players=0
A God Damn dead man would understand that if a minor league bus in any city took a real sharp right turn, a Zack McCalister would likely fall out. - Lead Pipe
User avatar
skatingtripods
Sloth Duncan
 
Posts: 14346
Joined: Tue May 01, 2007 12:27 pm
Location: Cleveland
Favorite Player: Mike Aviles
Least Favorite Player: Every Detroit Tiger

Re: 13/5 Indians v Yankees Making revision more bearable edi

Unread postby skatingtripods » Mon May 13, 2013 5:02 pm

Santana now hitting .205 in May.
A God Damn dead man would understand that if a minor league bus in any city took a real sharp right turn, a Zack McCalister would likely fall out. - Lead Pipe
User avatar
skatingtripods
Sloth Duncan
 
Posts: 14346
Joined: Tue May 01, 2007 12:27 pm
Location: Cleveland
Favorite Player: Mike Aviles
Least Favorite Player: Every Detroit Tiger

Re: 13/5 Indians v Yankees Making revision more bearable edi

Unread postby skatingtripods » Mon May 13, 2013 5:05 pm

Francona pressing his luck a little bit with Bauer now.

Terrific play by Yan Gomes, who continues to impress me behind the plate.
A God Damn dead man would understand that if a minor league bus in any city took a real sharp right turn, a Zack McCalister would likely fall out. - Lead Pipe
User avatar
skatingtripods
Sloth Duncan
 
Posts: 14346
Joined: Tue May 01, 2007 12:27 pm
Location: Cleveland
Favorite Player: Mike Aviles
Least Favorite Player: Every Detroit Tiger

Re: 13/5 Indians v Yankees Making revision more bearable edi

Unread postby dazindiansfanuk » Mon May 13, 2013 5:07 pm

Gotta say I'm shocked Francona sent Bauer back out there.
User avatar
dazindiansfanuk
Tyner Is God
 
Posts: 8985
Joined: Fri Apr 27, 2007 9:21 am
Location: Cardiff, UK
Favorite Player: Jhonny Peralta
Least Favorite Player: Curt Schilling

Re: 13/5 Indians v Yankees Making revision more bearable edi

Unread postby skatingtripods » Mon May 13, 2013 5:08 pm

I'll take 6.1 and two runs from Bauer every day.

I get Francona's hesitation to go to the pen with a night game and day game in Philly before the off day, but asking Bauer for seven was a little too much after he labored through the first three innings.
A God Damn dead man would understand that if a minor league bus in any city took a real sharp right turn, a Zack McCalister would likely fall out. - Lead Pipe
User avatar
skatingtripods
Sloth Duncan
 
Posts: 14346
Joined: Tue May 01, 2007 12:27 pm
Location: Cleveland
Favorite Player: Mike Aviles
Least Favorite Player: Every Detroit Tiger

Re: 13/5 Indians v Yankees Making revision more bearable edi

Unread postby cappy1920 » Mon May 13, 2013 5:08 pm

Bad pitch or not, I don't think Bauer is long for the minor leagues.
User avatar
cappy1920
 
Posts: 101
Joined: Wed Sep 12, 2007 2:12 pm

Re: 13/5 Indians v Yankees Making revision more bearable edi

Unread postby dazindiansfanuk » Mon May 13, 2013 5:13 pm

Hagadone's quickly walking his way back to AAA.

At this rate he's overtaken Albers as the pitcher most likely to make way for Pestano.
User avatar
dazindiansfanuk
Tyner Is God
 
Posts: 8985
Joined: Fri Apr 27, 2007 9:21 am
Location: Cardiff, UK
Favorite Player: Jhonny Peralta
Least Favorite Player: Curt Schilling

Re: 13/5 Indians v Yankees Making revision more bearable edi

Unread postby dazindiansfanuk » Mon May 13, 2013 5:16 pm

Gotta think there's a good chance Hagadone's sent out tomorrow for a bat.

Heading into an NL park could do with another bench guy.
User avatar
dazindiansfanuk
Tyner Is God
 
Posts: 8985
Joined: Fri Apr 27, 2007 9:21 am
Location: Cardiff, UK
Favorite Player: Jhonny Peralta
Least Favorite Player: Curt Schilling

Re: 13/5 Indians v Yankees Making revision more bearable edi

Unread postby skatingtripods » Mon May 13, 2013 5:25 pm

Yep. Back to back poor outings from Hagadone. Still so inconsistent. You can't make it as a matchup lefty with a BB/9 around 6. It just doesn't work.

Well, it doesn't work to give up rocket shots to lefties either.
A God Damn dead man would understand that if a minor league bus in any city took a real sharp right turn, a Zack McCalister would likely fall out. - Lead Pipe
User avatar
skatingtripods
Sloth Duncan
 
Posts: 14346
Joined: Tue May 01, 2007 12:27 pm
Location: Cleveland
Favorite Player: Mike Aviles
Least Favorite Player: Every Detroit Tiger

Re: 13/5 Indians v Yankees Making revision more bearable edi

Unread postby British_Pharaoh » Mon May 13, 2013 5:25 pm

Francona has laid a giant turd in this 7th inning
"There is but one thing of real value: to cultivate truth and justice and to live without anger in the midst of lying and unjust men"

-Marcus Aurelius
User avatar
British_Pharaoh
Tony Sipp IS HERE!
 
Posts: 9154
Joined: Fri Oct 13, 2006 9:31 pm
Location: Pardubice, Czech Republic
Favorite Player: Michael Brantley
Least Favorite Player: Alexei Ramirez

Re: 13/5 Indians v Yankees Making revision more bearable edi

Unread postby skatingtripods » Mon May 13, 2013 5:26 pm

British_Pharaoh wrote:Francona has laid a giant turd in this 7th inning


Did I miss the part where Francona pitched?
A God Damn dead man would understand that if a minor league bus in any city took a real sharp right turn, a Zack McCalister would likely fall out. - Lead Pipe
User avatar
skatingtripods
Sloth Duncan
 
Posts: 14346
Joined: Tue May 01, 2007 12:27 pm
Location: Cleveland
Favorite Player: Mike Aviles
Least Favorite Player: Every Detroit Tiger

Re: 13/5 Indians v Yankees Making revision more bearable edi

Unread postby Dnthateonthepronk » Mon May 13, 2013 5:34 pm

:bag:
Alex White: Just like School on Sunday......No Class.
User avatar
Dnthateonthepronk
 
Posts: 1823
Joined: Sat Feb 12, 2011 12:57 pm
Location: Virginia Beach
Favorite Player: Dan Marino
Least Favorite Player: Alex Rodriguez

Re: 13/5 Indians v Yankees Making revision more bearable edi

Unread postby British_Pharaoh » Mon May 13, 2013 5:36 pm

umpires are cunts
"There is but one thing of real value: to cultivate truth and justice and to live without anger in the midst of lying and unjust men"

-Marcus Aurelius
User avatar
British_Pharaoh
Tony Sipp IS HERE!
 
Posts: 9154
Joined: Fri Oct 13, 2006 9:31 pm
Location: Pardubice, Czech Republic
Favorite Player: Michael Brantley
Least Favorite Player: Alexei Ramirez

Re: 13/5 Indians v Yankees Making revision more bearable edi

Unread postby Pabo » Mon May 13, 2013 5:50 pm

The offense is to blame for this game, not Hagadone or Francona. Getting shut out by this rag-tag outfit...good grief, the Indians look like the Washington Generals out there. Lucky to get one today, maybe the bats can de-funkify on the way to Filthadelphia.
Bottom 4th: Cleveland
- J. Kipnis grounded out to shortstop
- A. Cabrera doubled to deep left
- N. Swisher doubled to center, A. Cabrera scored
- J. Giambi doubled to deep right center, N. Swisher to third, N. Swisher out at home
- J. Giambi caught stealing, catcher to third

1 run, 3 hits, 0 errors
User avatar
Pabo
 
Posts: 195
Joined: Sun Nov 15, 2009 12:36 pm
Location: Weirton, WV, USA
Favorite Player: Jason Giambi
Least Favorite Player: Joe Haden

Re: 13/5 Indians v Yankees Making revision more bearable edi

Unread postby dazindiansfanuk » Mon May 13, 2013 6:11 pm

Getting out scored 7-1 and still splitting the double dip.... I guess you have to take that.
User avatar
dazindiansfanuk
Tyner Is God
 
Posts: 8985
Joined: Fri Apr 27, 2007 9:21 am
Location: Cardiff, UK
Favorite Player: Jhonny Peralta
Least Favorite Player: Curt Schilling

Re: 13/5 Indians v Yankees Making revision more bearable edi

Unread postby WiscTribeFan » Mon May 13, 2013 8:30 pm

Tough. We go from a great performance by Masty to the realization that we only scored 1 run in 18 innings against two less than stellar Yankee arms, at home.
Don't go away mad, just go away.
User avatar
WiscTribeFan
Mook
 
Posts: 2681
Joined: Mon Nov 19, 2007 1:10 pm
Location: Kenosha, WI
Favorite Player: Me
Least Favorite Player: You

Previous

Return to Cleveland Indians & MLB

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: gbot and 2 guests

Who is online

In total there are 3 users online :: 1 registered, 0 hidden and 2 guests (based on users active over the past 5 minutes)
Most users ever online was 181 on Sat Feb 16, 2013 4:50 pm

Users browsing this forum: gbot and 2 guests