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Unread postby dazindiansfanuk » Wed May 08, 2013 6:27 pm

Interesting note; in winning 8 of the last 9 Masterson is the only Indians starter without a "W" over that stretch.

The starters are 7-1 with Masterson getting a no decision in his only start (a game we won in extra innings) over that stretch.

Lineups

C Jaso
LF Smith
DH lowrie
CF Cespedes
RF Moss
3B Donaldson
1B Barton
SS Robert Irvine - I mean, Rosales
2B Sogard

RHP Griffin



LF Brantley
2B Kipnis
SS Cabrera
1B Swisher
DH Reynolds
C Santana
RF Raburn
3B Chisenhall
CF Stubbs

RHP Masterson
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Unread postby Prosecutor » Wed May 08, 2013 6:48 pm

No Giambi even with a right-hander starting for the A's. After Bourn gets back it will be even harder to find him at-bats. He's hardly getting any as it is. I still don't get why he's on the team. I guess Francona puts a lot of value on a "clubhouse presence".
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Unread postby British_Pharaoh » Wed May 08, 2013 7:11 pm

Nice way to start
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Unread postby bookelly » Wed May 08, 2013 7:45 pm

Trivia:

Giambi
Conseco
McGwire
Jackson
Tejada?
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Unread postby bookelly » Wed May 08, 2013 7:50 pm

Prosecutor wrote:No Giambi even with a right-hander starting for the A's. After Bourn gets back it will be even harder to find him at-bats. He's hardly getting any as it is. I still don't get why he's on the team. I guess Francona puts a lot of value on a "clubhouse presence".


With Gomez's ability to play 3B I'd think Chiz is the one who's on the bubble for at-bats.

Giambi has a .821 OPS 126 OPS+. He's not going anywhere.
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Unread postby bookelly » Wed May 08, 2013 8:20 pm

Can somebody tell the sound people Katies mic is WAY too loud?
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Unread postby Dnthateonthepronk » Wed May 08, 2013 8:23 pm

Nice :lmfao: fat baseball players flopping around
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Unread postby dazindiansfanuk » Wed May 08, 2013 8:37 pm

Swish...... and we're tied!
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Unread postby British_Pharaoh » Wed May 08, 2013 8:40 pm

Boooooooom 4-3
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Unread postby dazindiansfanuk » Wed May 08, 2013 8:41 pm

The Axeman Cometh!!!

HRs are fun.
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Unread postby Dnthateonthepronk » Wed May 08, 2013 8:41 pm

That was smoked by Carlos
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Unread postby bookelly » Wed May 08, 2013 8:42 pm

Swisher is a dork. Please never dance like that again. I just sweated vicariously.
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Unread postby Dnthateonthepronk » Wed May 08, 2013 8:49 pm

These guys are alotta fun to watch right now
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Unread postby Dnthateonthepronk » Wed May 08, 2013 8:50 pm

bookelly wrote:Swisher is a dork. Please never dance like that again. I just sweated vicariously.



did you see Brantley's reaction :lmfao:
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Unread postby dazindiansfanuk » Wed May 08, 2013 9:06 pm

Nice job Smitty!
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Unread postby Dellucci TailGator » Wed May 08, 2013 9:14 pm

bookelly wrote:Swisher is a dork. Please never dance like that again. I just sweated vicariously.


That's the exact dorky dance I would do every day if I was married to Joanna Garcia.
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Unread postby dazindiansfanuk » Wed May 08, 2013 9:21 pm

Holy fuck that was close!
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Unread postby dazindiansfanuk » Wed May 08, 2013 9:23 pm

Shit!

It's a HR.... balls!
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Unread postby ClevelandFanInNewYork » Wed May 08, 2013 9:24 pm

Gone dammit!
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Unread postby British_Pharaoh » Wed May 08, 2013 9:25 pm

I can understand Melvin's fury

How did the umps mistake that?

Huge break
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Unread postby ClevelandFanInNewYork » Wed May 08, 2013 9:26 pm

Wow did we get a break. The Oakland TV feed clearly showed it was a HR.
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Unread postby dazindiansfanuk » Wed May 08, 2013 9:26 pm

What the fuck?!

They're calling that a double?

That's just terrible..... clearly a HR.
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Unread postby Dnthateonthepronk » Wed May 08, 2013 9:26 pm

:thumb up: :lmfao: On my god, we caught a break, These umps are morons...oh Angel Hernandez
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Unread postby British_Pharaoh » Wed May 08, 2013 9:31 pm

Wouldn't be a CP save if it was easy
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Unread postby dazindiansfanuk » Wed May 08, 2013 9:32 pm

Ball game!!

Angel Hernandez gets the save tonight.

Wow.... that was a nail biter.... and a gift!
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Unread postby Dellucci TailGator » Wed May 08, 2013 9:35 pm

Hernandez is so unwilling to admit he made a mistake that he just ignored the evidence. That's the only conclusion I can come to. What an asshat. I almost feel bad that Oakland didn't tie it up there afterwards. Almost.
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Unread postby Dellucci TailGator » Wed May 08, 2013 9:38 pm

I could see Selig upholding Oakland's protest of the game and make them replay it from the home run on. The Pine Tar game gives him precedence.
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Unread postby Am I Here Again? » Wed May 08, 2013 9:38 pm

dazindiansfanuk wrote:The Axeman Cometh!!!

Rs are fun.


Fixed. I like runs. Lots of runs. It's just more fun when it's a HR.

I am enjoying just as much as I did during the heat of the 90s. Would enjoy it even more if we end up with a couple WS appearance. And a win guys - I'm getting old.
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Unread postby smalls1129 » Wed May 08, 2013 9:40 pm

I'm confused, the at bat app said it was a double deflected off Brantley to Stubbs, guessing that isn't an accurate description of the play.
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Unread postby Squints » Wed May 08, 2013 9:56 pm

smalls1129 wrote:I'm confused, the at bat app said it was a double deflected off Brantley to Stubbs, guessing that isn't an accurate description of the play.


The ball hit the metal railing just above the wall. It was close, but zoomed in replays clearly show that it was off the fence, not the wall.
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Unread postby bookelly » Wed May 08, 2013 10:00 pm

Squints wrote:
smalls1129 wrote:I'm confused, the at bat app said it was a double deflected off Brantley to Stubbs, guessing that isn't an accurate description of the play.


The ball hit the metal fence just above the wall. It was close, but zoomed in replays clearly show that it was off the fence, not the wall.


And then it deflected off Brantley's hand into Stubbs glove. So the At Bat was accurate, just not correct. ;-) ;) :wink:

Ball was clearly a HR. If I was Ump. Angel I'd be on Monster.com tonight.
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Unread postby smalls1129 » Wed May 08, 2013 10:01 pm

Right on, still not sure where they have Brantley deflecting it but right on we finally caught a break...were there even 9k to see it?
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Unread postby skatingtripods » Wed May 08, 2013 10:49 pm

So, replay is clearly useless. Time to go back to the human element. What a mess. I doubt a protest stands up, if Melvin files one, but who knows. What a disaster.

Get the sweep tomorrow afternoon. Pour extra salt in the wound.
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Unread postby dazindiansfanuk » Thu May 09, 2013 6:43 am

Buster Olney is all over twitter saying MLB should step in a the game should restart from 4-4 top 9th.

Obviously I hope this doesn't happen as an Indians fan but, also really MLB shouldn't step in unless the A's protested the game if you ask me.

And from what I understand about playing under protest, if it's not a game-ending call (which it wasn't) you have to protest it there and then for it to be valid.

Move on (he says knowing full well if the shoe was on the other foot I'd be calling for the game to be replayed)!

EDIT: From the official rules

Rule 4.19 Comment: Whenever a manager protests a game because of alleged misapplication of the rules the protest will not be recognized unless the umpires are notified at the time the play under protest occurs and before the next pitch, play or attempted play. A protest arising on a game-ending play may be filed until 12 noon the following day with the league office.
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Unread postby Squints » Thu May 09, 2013 7:01 am

bookelly wrote:
Squints wrote:
smalls1129 wrote:I'm confused, the at bat app said it was a double deflected off Brantley to Stubbs, guessing that isn't an accurate description of the play.


The ball hit the metal fence just above the wall. It was close, but zoomed in replays clearly show that it was off the fence, not the wall.


And then it deflected off Brantley's hand into Stubbs glove. So the At Bat was accurate, just not correct. ;-) ;) :wink:


Yep, just saw the full replay on Mike and Mike.
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Unread postby Larvell Blanks » Thu May 09, 2013 7:51 am

Prosecutor wrote:No Giambi even with a right-hander starting for the A's. After Bourn gets back it will be even harder to find him at-bats. He's hardly getting any as it is. I still don't get why he's on the team. I guess Francona puts a lot of value on a "clubhouse presence".



and that's precisley why he's on the roster. I heard an interview with him the other day and he knows his role on this team is to help these kids with the 162 game grind. And to swing the stick when the opportunity allows. He knows he's not a full time guy but as he said in that interview, "part of baseball is the veterans giving back to the young guys, it's the young guys that will move the sport forward. I want to do my part and give back to the game." The interviewer referenced his head first dive into first and how you could see how pumped up the dugout was over that. If he continues to post this in his limited plate appearences he's here for the long haul.
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Unread postby Prosecutor » Thu May 09, 2013 8:11 am

The Tribe lucked out with the blown HR call and Rosales throwing away a double play ball that would have ended the inning, but gave the Tribe two runs instead. That's three gift runs in a one-run win. But I'll take it any day.

So this is what it feels like to pull for a team that doesn't suck.
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Larvell Blanks wrote:
Prosecutor wrote:No Giambi even with a right-hander starting for the A's. After Bourn gets back it will be even harder to find him at-bats. He's hardly getting any as it is. I still don't get why he's on the team. I guess Francona puts a lot of value on a "clubhouse presence".



and that's precisley why he's on the roster. I heard an interview with him the other day and he knows his role on this team is to help these kids with the 162 game grind. And to swing the stick when the opportunity allows. He knows he's not a full time guy but as he said in that interview, "part of baseball is the veterans giving back to the young guys, it's the young guys that will move the sport forward. I want to do my part and give back to the game." The interviewer referenced his head first dive into first and how you could see how pumped up the dugout was over that. If he continues to post this in his limited plate appearences he's here for the long haul.
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Giambi will get more at bats as soon as Mark Reynolds returns to his proper location on Planet Earth.
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Unread postby skatingtripods » Thu May 09, 2013 10:11 am

pup wrote:Giambi will get more at bats as soon as Mark Reynolds returns to his proper location on Planet Earth.


Yep. Reynolds is batting .297/.360/.625/.985 against RHP this season. For his career, even with this season's numbers, he's .235/.321/.474/.795. Once the numbers v. RHP normalize, Giambi will see some more swings.
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Unread postby CAVSTRIBEBROWNSin07! » Thu May 09, 2013 10:13 am

They won't just normalize - his slump is going to be JR Smith level epic.
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Unread postby skatingtripods » Thu May 09, 2013 10:18 am

CAVSTRIBEBROWNSin07! wrote:They won't just normalize - his slump is going to be JR Smith level epic.


Maybe. He's stuck in a 1-for-11 slump now, so maybe this is the start of it. But, he could do a 3-for-14 with 2 HR slump on a fairly regular basis from here on out.
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skatingtripods wrote:
CAVSTRIBEBROWNSin07! wrote:They won't just normalize - his slump is going to be JR Smith level epic.


Maybe. He's stuck in a 1-for-11 slump now, so maybe this is the start of it. But, he could do a 3-for-14 with 2 HR slump on a fairly regular basis from here on out.


Exactly tripods. He is going to fall into a 7 strikeout over 3 games and game 4 will be against a tough RH. Giambi will be mental break DH on that day. Which is the perfect role for him.
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Just like that.
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Unread postby skatingtripods » Thu May 09, 2013 2:07 pm

pup wrote:Just like that.


Yeah. We were all over it.

Let's see what he does with Scherzer and Verlander the next two days. Might see him get Sunday off.
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Unread postby pup » Thu May 09, 2013 2:10 pm

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pup wrote:Just like that.


Yeah. We were all over it.

Let's see what he does with Scherzer and Verlander the next two days. Might see him get Sunday off.


Tito might try to get out in front of it and give him a breather Saturday.
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Unread postby skatingtripods » Thu May 09, 2013 2:14 pm

pup wrote:
skatingtripods wrote:
pup wrote:Just like that.


Yeah. We were all over it.

Let's see what he does with Scherzer and Verlander the next two days. Might see him get Sunday off.


Tito might try to get out in front of it and give him a breather Saturday.


Yeah. I think if Reynolds went 0-for-4 today with a couple K's, he might have gotten tomorrow off against Scherzer, especially entering on the 1-for-11. 2-for-12 with a HR and 7 K against Verlander. Seems like a good bet he gets a breather on Saturday.
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Unread postby dazindiansfanuk » Thu May 09, 2013 5:58 pm

On the subject of Reynolds, at the risk of opening up a whole statistical can of worms, if you believe that BABIP is a good indicator of luck/bad luck, then his BABIP would suggest his numbers to this point are a true reflection of his performance.

The average expected BABIP is .300 and Reynolds BABIP is .300 - take that for what it's worth!

From the eye test though, he's got a much better two strike approach to this point than I ever expected to see and long may it continue.
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dazindiansfanuk wrote:On the subject of Reynolds, at the risk of opening up a whole statistical can of worms, if you believe that BABIP is a good indicator of luck/bad luck, then his BABIP would suggest his numbers to this point are a true reflection of his performance.

The average expected BABIP is .300 and Reynolds BABIP is .300 - take that for what it's worth!

From the eye test though, he's got a much better two strike approach to this point than I ever expected to see and long may it continue.


Problem is, when he goes into the funk it will not be on the BIP of that equation.
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Unread postby Prosecutor » Thu May 09, 2013 9:26 pm

He's waiting longer on the pitch and taking it to right field with two strikes. As a result his strikeouts have decreased and he's a much better hitter. And he's still strong enough to hit it over the right field wall. He had a double and a HR today - both to right-center field.

This could be a real breakthrough, although it's too early to tell for sure.
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Unread postby skatingtripods » Thu May 09, 2013 10:27 pm

dazindiansfanuk wrote:On the subject of Reynolds, at the risk of opening up a whole statistical can of worms, if you believe that BABIP is a good indicator of luck/bad luck, then his BABIP would suggest his numbers to this point are a true reflection of his performance.

The average expected BABIP is .300 and Reynolds BABIP is .300 - take that for what it's worth!

From the eye test though, he's got a much better two strike approach to this point than I ever expected to see and long may it continue.


Well, HR hitters usually have a lower BABIP because HRs don't count towards BABIP.

I made the argument in my article the other day. The big things for Reynolds are the K% and the IFFB% (pop ups). Both are currently at career lows. Those are guaranteed outs. Anything put in play has a chance. But, yes, his two-strike approach has been fantastic. I really think he's maturing as a player. These are trends that have been building for the last few seasons.

Here's a link to anybody who wants to read it: http://www.theclevelandfan.com/clevelan ... g-the-mark
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