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Re: NFL Draft: Day 2

Unread postby Triple-S » Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:14 pm

municipalmutt wrote:Hard to "build through the draft" when you don't have any picks. We still need guards, a TE, and more DBs including a starting FS. Ain't happening with this draft.


They've really not been building through the draft.

They signed Kruger, David Nelson, Quentin Groves and Desmond Bryant

They traded for Dion Lewis and Davone Bess.

The draft this year isn't very good, so signing some FA's isn't exactly a bad move at this point.
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Re: NFL Draft: Day 2

Unread postby OldDawg » Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:20 pm

Bronws trade 4th round pick and 5th round pick away.
1) Haslam can't afford to draft any more players, or
2) We are stockpiling picks next year to trade up to grab Johnny Football next year.

My guess is #1
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Re: NFL Draft: Day 2

Unread postby jfiling » Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:22 pm

What did we get for that 5th rounder?
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Re: NFL Draft: Day 2

Unread postby Hikohadon » Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:23 pm

Gotta commend LomBanner, they haven't made a bad pick today.

Not to mention this will seriously aid their efforts to stay under the cap.
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Re: NFL Draft: Day 2

Unread postby municipalmutt » Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:23 pm

aoxo1 wrote:If only the Browns had some more 4th and 5th rounders, they could really contend next year.

So what will it take for them to contend THIS year?
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Re: NFL Draft: Day 2

Unread postby jfiling » Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:23 pm

Never mind, forgot about the Dolphins trade for the WR.
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Re: NFL Draft: Day 2

Unread postby antikryct » Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:24 pm

jfiling wrote:What did we get for that 5th rounder?


4th next year...just announced.
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Re: NFL Draft: Day 2

Unread postby municipalmutt » Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:24 pm

jfiling wrote:What did we get for that 5th rounder?

The corpse of Johnny Unitas.
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Re: NFL Draft: Day 2

Unread postby OldDawg » Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:25 pm

jfiling wrote:What did we get for that 5th rounder?

Indy's 4th round pick in 2014
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Re: NFL Draft: Day 2

Unread postby ClevelandFanInNewYork » Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:31 pm

This just in...the Browns trade 175, 217, and 227 to the Super Bowl Champs in 2014, 2015, and 2016 so that they can obtain pick 254 in each of those years to have the honor of drafting Mr. Irrelevant.
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Re: NFL Draft: Day 2

Unread postby scrambler » Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:31 pm

I must say, the strategy being employed intrigues me. Trade all your middle round picks this year for one round higher middle round picks next year. 2014 draft class must be banner or something like that. Or else everyone just got tired and didn't want to deal with any more phone calls this year.
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Re: NFL Draft: Day 2

Unread postby That_Guy™ » Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:35 pm

They're just trying to get job security with the next owner.
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Re: NFL Draft: Day 2

Unread postby OldDawg » Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:35 pm

A) They didn't do any homework and they know nothing about players after round 3
B) Like I said before, they are going to pull a Ditka next year and trade the whole draft for one guy (Johnny Football)

Edit: C) Again, Haslem is strapped for cash with his ass and assets frozen
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Re: NFL Draft: Day 2

Unread postby Hikohadon » Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:36 pm

OldDawg wrote:A) They didn't do any homework and they know nothing about players after round 3
B) Like I said before, they are going to pull a Ditka next year and trade the whole draft for one guy (Johnny Football)


Why would they need to do that when they'll likely be in position to just take him?
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Re: NFL Draft: Day 2

Unread postby OldDawg » Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:37 pm

I mean, they shoulda traded back in round 1 and picked up a player just as good as Bark and picked up another pick, too. Now they are gonna make up for it and trade a bunch away.
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Re: NFL Draft: Day 2

Unread postby ClevelandFanInNewYork » Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:38 pm

Hikohadon wrote:
OldDawg wrote:A) They didn't do any homework and they know nothing about players after round 3
B) Like I said before, they are going to pull a Ditka next year and trade the whole draft for one guy (Johnny Football)


Why would they need to do that when they'll likely be in position to just take him?


Hiko...you just hit the nail on the head. I now totally understand this year's draft strategy.. Thank you!
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Re: NFL Draft: Day 2

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:39 pm

I'm not sure I understand what this team is doing.
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Re: NFL Draft: Day 2

Unread postby OldDawg » Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:40 pm

Hikohadon wrote:
OldDawg wrote:A) They didn't do any homework and they know nothing about players after round 3
B) Like I said before, they are going to pull a Ditka next year and trade the whole draft for one guy (Johnny Football)


Why would they need to do that when they'll likely be in position to just take him?

Haha. Well played.

But in reality, they will likely end up with pick #2 and we will trade the whole draft to move up one spot.

Heck the Browns are good at trading up one spot for a player that likely would have fallen to them if they had stayed pat.
1) For Richardson last year
2) For K2 a few years ago.

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Re: NFL Draft: Day 2

Unread postby OldDawg » Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:42 pm

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I'm not sure I understand what this team is doing.

They are tanking for a higher draft pick next year.

Heck, the Cavs do it every year. But they usually wait till about 2/3 the way thru the season.

The Browns are just getting an early jump on things.
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Re: NFL Draft: Day 2

Unread postby OldDawg » Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:50 pm

C'mon guys, be patient.
The Browns do have TWO PICKS in the the 7th round!!
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Re: NFL Draft: Day 2

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:52 pm

How can a new regime tank it's first year? Doesn't exactly send out the right signals to the people who buy tickets to watch that shitshow.
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Re: NFL Draft: Day 2

Unread postby OldDawg » Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:53 pm

The post-draft presser should be interesting, to say the least. I hope some folks ask some very pointed questions.
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Re: NFL Draft: Day 2

Unread postby motherscratcher » Sat Apr 27, 2013 3:07 pm

I just got home from work. Someone fill me in. Who'd we pick? How's it looking?
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Re: NFL Draft: Day 2

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Sat Apr 27, 2013 3:19 pm

motherscratcher wrote:I just got home from work. Someone fill me in. Who'd we pick? How's it looking?



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Re: NFL Draft: Day 2

Unread postby scrambler » Sat Apr 27, 2013 3:40 pm

I see a kicker came off the board. It's only now that I'm officially worried about our draft in 2013.
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Re: NFL Draft: Day 2

Unread postby ClevelandFanInNewYork » Sat Apr 27, 2013 3:51 pm

Bray, Rambo, or Swope at 175.
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Re: NFL Draft: Day 2

Unread postby antikryct » Sat Apr 27, 2013 3:56 pm

If we actually pick someone today, I like Tony Jefferson S Oklahoma.
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Re: NFL Draft: Day 2

Unread postby municipalmutt » Sat Apr 27, 2013 3:58 pm

Jamoris Slaughter?
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Re: NFL Draft: Day 2

Unread postby ClevelandFanInNewYork » Sat Apr 27, 2013 3:59 pm

Jamoris Slaughter, SS
Height: 6-0 Weight: 195
Class: rSr Hometown: Stone Mountain, GA
Prospect Rank: 686 Position Rank: 28


Strengths
Solid pass defender. Knocks receivers off their route with a strong punch, and has the read-and-react skills to follow quarterbacks’ eyes and knock away passes in zone. Attacking blitzer, able to throw aside running backs and run under the shoulder of tackles trying to protect their quarterback. Also plays with strength against the run, fighting off receivers to contain on the edge. Brings attitude into head-on collisions in the open field, can stop backs in the hole. Contributes on special teams coverage units, using speed and intensity to fight through blocks.

Weaknesses
Lacks a true position. Might not have the size to succeed against tight ends or the foot quickness to handle faster receivers. Spends a lot of time around the line, will needs to prove the range and ability to read routes in two-deep looks. Hasn’t been challenged in coverage often. Injuries.

Bottom Line
Notre Dame coaches have used Slaughter’s excellent football instincts all over the field throughout his career. However, between his lack of a true position, season ending injury, and a deep defensive back class, Slaughter might not hear his name called on draft day. Except by the Browns of course
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Re: NFL Draft: Day 2

Unread postby scrambler » Sat Apr 27, 2013 4:02 pm

He is vastly underrated by whatever publication that is. He's gonna solve the majority of this team's issues.
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Re: NFL Draft: Day 2

Unread postby municipalmutt » Sat Apr 27, 2013 4:06 pm

Slaughter played only three games during his senior year as an Achilles injury ended his season early and has kept him from participating in all-star games and the combine drills. He has a thin frame and will need to add bulk to play safety at the next level. While he possesses good top end speed, he is not an innately explosive player when trying to break and close from off the ball. He needs to improve his ball skills, as he will at times struggle locating the ball in the air in time to break up passes.
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Re: NFL Draft: Day 2

Unread postby scrambler » Sat Apr 27, 2013 4:08 pm

That Webster Slaughter guy was good, so might this Slaughter be. All signs are positive with this selection. He's so good we didn't even trade this pick.
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Re: NFL Draft: Day 2

Unread postby scrambler » Sat Apr 27, 2013 4:13 pm

If Slaughter is on the field, Notre Dame beats Alabama. That's all I'm saying.
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Re: NFL Draft: Day 2

Unread postby Hikohadon » Sat Apr 27, 2013 4:47 pm

I don't know much about Slaughter, but seems like a decent pick. At least made sense positionally.
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Re: NFL Draft: Day 2

Unread postby scott » Sat Apr 27, 2013 4:57 pm

Hikohadon wrote:I don't know much about Slaughter, but seems like a decent pick. At least made sense positionally.



To sum it up the last two days have resulted in a small and slow CB, a small and slow WR and a small and slow S?
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Re: NFL Draft: Day 2

Unread postby Hikohadon » Sat Apr 27, 2013 5:04 pm

scott wrote:
Hikohadon wrote:I don't know much about Slaughter, but seems like a decent pick. At least made sense positionally.



To sum it up the last two days have resulted in a small and slow CB, a small and slow WR and a small and slow S?


I don't think I need to defend Bess' skill set - his actual NFL production does that for him.

The CB and S - not worth it to me to debate their NFL viability until I see them play. Scouting reports don't mean all that much to me. Certainly don't sound like exciting high-ceiling prospects, but it's not like they were 1st rounders either. Positionally, they make sense.

And definitely don't read my statements as any kind of defense of LomBanner, who I have 0 faith in.
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Re: NFL Draft: Day 2

Unread postby ClevelandFanInNewYork » Sat Apr 27, 2013 5:52 pm

Bray or Dysert maybe? Fragel from OSU?
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Re: NFL Draft: Day 2

Unread postby justmebd » Sat Apr 27, 2013 6:11 pm

Absolutely AWFUL coverage of the draft by ESPN today. I happened to have my lunch at work while the Browns were up in the 4th round. All of a sudden, the "CLE" changes to "PIT" and all Johnny Hairdoo and Captain Excited can talk about is the Nassib pick -- FOR TEN FREAKING MINUTES.

My lunch ended and I STILL had no idea what just happened. I had to wait and come home to read about what happened.

I wish my job had the NFL Network on their cable plan.
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Re: NFL Draft: Day 2

Unread postby OldDawg » Sat Apr 27, 2013 6:19 pm

Do you guys remember when this new regime said there would be a 4-headed monster in the war room. And they said if they couldn't come to a consensus, they would just move on. So that explains today... That means if they couldn't make up their mind, they would trade the pick to their arch rival.

Great idea.
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Re: NFL Draft: Day 2

Unread postby Hikohadon » Sat Apr 27, 2013 6:21 pm

7th rounder #1:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/draft-2013/tracker/#players/141501

Long athlete with sneaky quickness off the ball. Set ECU's all-time sack record. Can play standing up as an outside linebacker in 3-4 defense and also play defensive end in 4-3 scheme. Explosive off the ball with long stride. Plays with good leverage and can control the blocker with arms measuring over 35 inches. Has strong hands to stack and shed. Quick arm over move. Has very good speed and can close quickly to the football. Is a good athlete and looks natural in space. Can track and catch the ball carrier from behind. Has a knack for causing turnovers. Needs to get stronger in his upper body. Not a dominant tackler. Reaches for too many tackles instead of running through the ball carrier. Small school player who has huge upside. His natural pass rush skills will allow him to play as a rookie. With solid coaching, Bryant should be a starter by year 2 in the NFL. Overall, I expect some team to take a gamble on Bryant in the late 3rd or 4th round because players with natural pass rush skills and good athleticism are hard to find.
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Re: NFL Draft: Day 2

Unread postby Hikohadon » Sat Apr 27, 2013 6:30 pm

7th rounder #2:

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/college_player_scouting_report.html&player=201208

STRENGTHS - The rare small school offensive lineman who looks like an NFL OL "on the hoof," Gilkey has the physical tools to make the huge jump up in competition. After playing at Chadron State, it was surprising how good his playing strength was during the week of practice at the Senior Bowl. He consistently got his hands on pass rusher quickly and was able to tie man up and keep him on the LOS, which was even more impressive considering he was playing guard after playing playing OT in college. Although he lacks OT athleticism, he moved well inside at guard. Able to bend knees and sink hips he pass blocked with base and could slide side to side to stay on block. His aggressiveness, size and strength made him a dominant run blocker at Chadron and he showed at the Senior Bowl that he has the physical talent to be a productive in-line run blocker in the NFL.

WEAKNESSES - An OT at Chadron, it was clear at the Senior Bowl that he lacks the foot quickness to protect the edge versus explosive NFL pass rusher. Then when you add in his shorter than ideal arms for an OT, there is no doubt in my mind that he will have to prove he can slide inside and handle playing guard in the NFL. While he was generally effective handling power moves in Mobile, his shorter arms and adjusting to blocking the much stronger DT's in the NFL could prove to be a challenge because occasionally in Mobile he was driven backwards when he was not aggressive with hands. He did not show the quickness and agility to adjust to blocking a moving target when he steps through to the second level during the week in Mobile, so he will need to improve his second level blocking to be effective playing guard in the NFL.

SUMMARY - A highly productive small school lineman, Gilkey has the size, strength, competes and athleticism to eventually carry over his production to the NFL as a guard. He is few from ready to contribute as a rookie, but within a few seasons I expect to see him challenging for a starting job. Overall, I would not draft Gilkey in the first three rounds, but come the fifth or sixth round he is worth a gamble. While he is nowhere near the athlete that Jared Veldheer is, Gilkey was a more consistent blocker at Chadron State than Veldheer was at Hillsdale.
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Re: NFL Draft: Day 2

Unread postby ClevelandFanInNewYork » Sat Apr 27, 2013 6:32 pm

Hikohadon wrote:7th rounder #1:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/draft-2013/tracker/#players/141501

Long athlete with sneaky quickness off the ball. Set ECU's all-time sack record. Can play standing up as an outside linebacker in 3-4 defense and also play defensive end in 4-3 scheme. Explosive off the ball with long stride. Plays with good leverage and can control the blocker with arms measuring over 35 inches. Has strong hands to stack and shed. Quick arm over move. Has very good speed and can close quickly to the football. Is a good athlete and looks natural in space. Can track and catch the ball carrier from behind. Has a knack for causing turnovers. Needs to get stronger in his upper body. Not a dominant tackler. Reaches for too many tackles instead of running through the ball carrier. Small school player who has huge upside. His natural pass rush skills will allow him to play as a rookie. With solid coaching, Bryant should be a starter by year 2 in the NFL. Overall, I expect some team to take a gamble on Bryant in the late 3rd or 4th round because players with natural pass rush skills and good athleticism are hard to find.


Maybe character doesn't apply to the Browns organization anymore.

"October 12th, 2012 - Ada police reports state 22-year-old Armonty Bryant was taken into custody during football practice Monday.

Bryant allegedly sold $20 worth of marijuana to an undercover officer on two separate occasions.

Court records show he posted $25,000 and was released from the Pontotoc County Justice Center Tuesday around 1 a.m."
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Re: NFL Draft: Day 2

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Sat Apr 27, 2013 6:37 pm

What a stupid thing to arrest someone for. 2 twenty sacks....
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Re: NFL Draft: Day 2

Unread postby municipalmutt » Sat Apr 27, 2013 6:38 pm

OldDawg wrote:Do you guys remember when this new regime said there would be a 4-headed monster in the war room. And they said if they couldn't come to a consensus, they would just move on. So that explains today... That means if they couldn't make up their mind, they would trade the pick to their arch rival.

Great idea.


I'm beginning to wonder if they had more than one player in mind for each draft position. It looks like when their player was gone they punted. I'm kind of meh about the whole draft. I'm not ledging, but I'm not floored either. It just reeks of another season of low expectations.
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Re: NFL Draft: Day 2

Unread postby Madre Hill, Superstar » Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:19 pm

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Re: NFL Draft: Day 2

Unread postby Hikohadon » Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:29 pm

ClevelandFanInNewYork wrote:
Hikohadon wrote:7th rounder #1:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/draft-2013/tracker/#players/141501

Long athlete with sneaky quickness off the ball. Set ECU's all-time sack record. Can play standing up as an outside linebacker in 3-4 defense and also play defensive end in 4-3 scheme. Explosive off the ball with long stride. Plays with good leverage and can control the blocker with arms measuring over 35 inches. Has strong hands to stack and shed. Quick arm over move. Has very good speed and can close quickly to the football. Is a good athlete and looks natural in space. Can track and catch the ball carrier from behind. Has a knack for causing turnovers. Needs to get stronger in his upper body. Not a dominant tackler. Reaches for too many tackles instead of running through the ball carrier. Small school player who has huge upside. His natural pass rush skills will allow him to play as a rookie. With solid coaching, Bryant should be a starter by year 2 in the NFL. Overall, I expect some team to take a gamble on Bryant in the late 3rd or 4th round because players with natural pass rush skills and good athleticism are hard to find.


Maybe character doesn't apply to the Browns organization anymore.

"October 12th, 2012 - Ada police reports state 22-year-old Armonty Bryant was taken into custody during football practice Monday.

Bryant allegedly sold $20 worth of marijuana to an undercover officer on two separate occasions.

Court records show he posted $25,000 and was released from the Pontotoc County Justice Center Tuesday around 1 a.m."


Find me the college student that hasn't sold $20 worth of pot.

He wouldn't even make the minimum requirements to be a Bengal.
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Re: NFL Draft: Day 2

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:34 pm

Hikohadon wrote:
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Hikohadon wrote:7th rounder #1:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/draft-2013/tracker/#players/141501

Long athlete with sneaky quickness off the ball. Set ECU's all-time sack record. Can play standing up as an outside linebacker in 3-4 defense and also play defensive end in 4-3 scheme. Explosive off the ball with long stride. Plays with good leverage and can control the blocker with arms measuring over 35 inches. Has strong hands to stack and shed. Quick arm over move. Has very good speed and can close quickly to the football. Is a good athlete and looks natural in space. Can track and catch the ball carrier from behind. Has a knack for causing turnovers. Needs to get stronger in his upper body. Not a dominant tackler. Reaches for too many tackles instead of running through the ball carrier. Small school player who has huge upside. His natural pass rush skills will allow him to play as a rookie. With solid coaching, Bryant should be a starter by year 2 in the NFL. Overall, I expect some team to take a gamble on Bryant in the late 3rd or 4th round because players with natural pass rush skills and good athleticism are hard to find.


Maybe character doesn't apply to the Browns organization anymore.

"October 12th, 2012 - Ada police reports state 22-year-old Armonty Bryant was taken into custody during football practice Monday.

Bryant allegedly sold $20 worth of marijuana to an undercover officer on two separate occasions.

Court records show he posted $25,000 and was released from the Pontotoc County Justice Center Tuesday around 1 a.m."


Find me the college student that hasn't sold $20 worth of pot.

He wouldn't even make the minimum requirements to be a Bengal.



Maybe the seed and stem/bud ratio made him a danger to society. That's why they needed an undercover officer to bust him.
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Re: NFL Draft: Day 2

Unread postby Hikohadon » Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:55 pm

Amusing to me, Charlie Casserly of the NFLN threw former colleague Mike Lombardi under the bus by stating that Cleveland had the worst draft of all the teams.

Of course, he did say they didn't need to draft Mingo since they already had Kruger and Sheard, which is just stupid, so I don't know if I can put much stock in it.
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Re: NFL Draft: Day 2

Unread postby furls » Sun Apr 28, 2013 2:51 am

Gotta say that the Bengals got a steal with Fragel in the 7th round. Kid is just figuring out how to play tackle. My guess is that he is a solid pro for about a decade at RT. The rest of OSU's class in this year's draft is really weak.

Hankins could be good, but could be a bust.
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Fragel was the real gem. 6-8" 310, 37 bench reps TE athleticism.... kid will be a player in the NFL and I was hoping the Browns would grab him in the 6th or 7th round.
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Re: NFL Draft: Day 2

Unread postby jb » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:25 am

Drafting probably 3 guys they could have signed as UDFAs. Such great scounting uncovering them.

That Mike Lombardi is so smart!!
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