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The Triumphant Return of Mike Brown?

Unread postby British_Pharaoh » Fri Apr 19, 2013 2:16 pm

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Re: The Triumphant Return of Mike Brown?

Unread postby kman_holla8 » Fri Apr 19, 2013 6:46 pm

This is from the yahoo piece:

"Brown wants to be close enough to watch his son, Elijah, play at Butler. The youngster recently committed to playing for the Bulldogs next season. Brown's younger son, Cameron, has remained close to the friends he made while his dad coached the Cavs and intends to finish high school in Cleveland."
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Re: The Triumphant Return of Mike Brown?

Unread postby British_Pharaoh » Fri Apr 19, 2013 7:11 pm

He's certainly the defensive influence this team needs but we will only have the same problems as we did with him coaching during the LeBron years.
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Re: The Triumphant Return of Mike Brown?

Unread postby swerb » Fri Apr 19, 2013 7:16 pm

Please no
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Re: The Triumphant Return of Mike Brown?

Unread postby peeker643 » Fri Apr 19, 2013 10:18 pm

swerb wrote:Please no


Just put him on the banner, dude. He'll be dead or caught with a little boy by this time tomorrow.
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Re: The Triumphant Return of Mike Brown?

Unread postby leadpipe » Fri Apr 19, 2013 10:34 pm

British_Pharaoh wrote:He's certainly the defensive influence this team needs but we will only have the same problems as we did with him coaching during the LeBron years.


Actually the problems wouldn't look at all the same.

His problems this time around will deal with those of a 25-30 win team.

Mike Brown or Erik Spoelestra? I'll take the one with Lebron James.
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Re: The Triumphant Return of Mike Brown?

Unread postby swerb » Sat Apr 20, 2013 7:35 am

Guy was outcoached in 17 consecutive playoff series. And run out of LA in like 2 weeks.

"Lets bring him back!!!!"
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Re: The Triumphant Return of Mike Brown?

Unread postby Kingpin74 » Sat Apr 20, 2013 4:05 pm

The fact that they're even considering this shows what an inbred circle jerk this front office is. Do they realize that taking one guy off the team brought us from 60+ wins to a 3 year record that rivals the Stepien years? And they think bringing back the spineless coach who helped screw it up in the first place will fix that? The only way to get defensive emphasis is to bring back a guy who barely had plays? All the talented young coaches out there looking for an opportunity and this is what we're doing??? Ridiculous. The Cavs must just be smarter than everyone else.

Brown's crowning playoff achievement was beating the retirement home Pistons in 2007, and it took 28 straight superhuman LeBron points to even do that. After that he took 120 something combined regular season wins in 2009 and 2010 and proceeded to get barbecued by both teams in the Cavs' ballpark talent wise. And don't forget the 2008 series that the Celtics tried to give us on a silver platter.
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Re: The Triumphant Return of Mike Brown?

Unread postby Orenthal » Sat Apr 20, 2013 4:40 pm

This is too funny, cuz its an idea of a Cavaliers beat writer from the PeeDee. Not saying the eventual hire won't be disappointing, just not Mike Brown.
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Re: The Triumphant Return of Mike Brown?

Unread postby Spin » Sat Apr 20, 2013 11:28 pm

He was brought up on Fox8 tonight.

If they bring Roker back that may put me over the edge, becoming a front-runner.
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Re: The Triumphant Return of Mike Brown?

Unread postby CP » Tue Apr 23, 2013 3:18 pm

and... per Jason Lloyd, he's back. Announcement tomorrow.
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Re: The Triumphant Return of Mike Brown?

Unread postby Govbarney » Tue Apr 23, 2013 3:45 pm

Id like to see Gilbert hire , and fire him a few more times so he becomes Cleveland's Billy Martin.
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Re: The Triumphant Return of Mike Brown?

Unread postby Nicastro13 » Tue Apr 23, 2013 3:52 pm

Per Windhorst and Broussard its a done deal 5 years, I am stunned. Why would you rush into hiring this bum back. I really don't get it, did I not watch the same meaningful games that everyone else did while he was here? I can't remeber being this upset with a coaching hire.
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Re: The Triumphant Return of Mike Brown?

Unread postby Madre Hill, Superstar » Tue Apr 23, 2013 4:20 pm

Kyrie wanted a doormat, and Dan Gilbert knew exactly where to find one.
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Re: The Triumphant Return of Mike Brown?

Unread postby Kingpin74 » Tue Apr 23, 2013 4:28 pm

This is what it feels like to be a fan of this team. Did they even freaking interview anyone else?

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Re: The Triumphant Return of Mike Brown?

Unread postby andrew6586 » Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:14 pm

I remember thinking immediately after the 2010 playoffs that Mike Brown was only two firings away from being a great coach.

The most stunning thing is that this isn't some new regime with a new FO. These are the exact same people that fired him to begin with. How can they possible sell this to the fans? How do you rationalize hiring a guy you fired three years ago? Shocking.
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Re: The Triumphant Return of Mike Brown?

Unread postby andrew6586 » Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:16 pm

I wonder if by doing this the Cavs think they can redraft LeBron James next season.
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Re: The Triumphant Return of Mike Brown?

Unread postby fairvis » Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:19 pm

Govbarney wrote:Id like to see Gilbert hire , and fire him a few more times so he becomes Cleveland's Billy Martin.


Billy Martin won the World Series in 1977. I'd take it.
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Re: The Triumphant Return of Mike Brown?

Unread postby motherscratcher » Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:30 pm

Meh, I don't know enough about basketball to have a problem with it. I always felt like he was fired as a panic effort to appease LeBron anyway.

Seems like he was and is regarded as a great defensive coach. He certainly a great guy, for what that's worth. Probably not much. But I'm not sure why everyone thinks this is awful.

Never understood why he never seemed interested in hiring a great offensive minded assistant, though.
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Re: The Triumphant Return of Mike Brown?

Unread postby leadpipe » Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:43 pm

The Cavs.

Over 40 years....
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Re: The Triumphant Return of Mike Brown?

Unread postby kman_holla8 » Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:01 pm

That pretty much seals the deal, LeBron to LA. He and the dude butted heads while he was here the first time, no way he is coming back for seconds with this dude.

Personally, I will never forget him for not playing Z on the night he was supposed to set the team record for games played. Z even had his parents flown in special to attend the game from Russia.

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Re: The Triumphant Return of Mike Brown?

Unread postby kman_holla8 » Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:05 pm

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Re: The Triumphant Return of Mike Brown?

Unread postby OldDawg » Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:39 pm

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein

Obviously Albert isn't anywhere near the Cavs FO.
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Re: The Triumphant Return of Mike Brown?

Unread postby OldDawg » Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:47 pm

Hey guys, movie night at my house this weekend...

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Re: The Triumphant Return of Mike Brown?

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:14 pm

It isn't the worst hire in the world, however, it is the gawd damned funniest.
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Re: The Triumphant Return of Mike Brown?

Unread postby OldDawg » Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:26 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:It isn't the worst hire in the world, however, it is the gawd damned funniest.

In the past week we have had any enthusiasm about the new ownership of the Browns dashed and any enthusiasm about the new coach of the Cavs dashed. In a matter of a few measly days.

:sillies:
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Re: The Triumphant Return of Mike Brown?

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:32 pm

I've been saying it for years, Dolan is the best owner in Cleveland...
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Re: The Triumphant Return of Mike Brown?

Unread postby bookelly » Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:09 pm

OldDawg wrote:
e0y2e3 wrote:It isn't the worst hire in the world, however, it is the gawd damned funniest.

In the past week we have had any enthusiasm about the new ownership of the Browns dashed and any enthusiasm about the new coach of the Cavs dashed. In a matter of a few measly days.

:sillies:


Wait till the draft...then we all can really have a good laugh. :lmfao:

But about Brown...really? Really? REALLY? Nevermind that this FOR SURE means no LBJ return, when this guy was in LA the players thought he was a joke.

But what kills me is that you have Brian Shaw in the on-deck circle with potentially Phil Jackson in command (a combination that would have attracted top-tier FA's including the King) and you pick Mike Brown? :thud:
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Re: The Triumphant Return of Mike Brown?

Unread postby leadpipe » Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:13 pm

You guys do understand Lebron wasn't coming back here if Jesus H. Christ was the coach.

You do know this, right?

Jesus H. Christ.
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Re: The Triumphant Return of Mike Brown?

Unread postby peeker643 » Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:53 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:It isn't the worst hire in the world, however, it is the gawd damned funniest.


Exactly.

No real issue with the guy as the coach. No better or worse than 80% of the coaches out there. Shit, all but the six with the six best players in the game are screwed anyway.

And I don't know that Roker had one of the six best in the game with pre-Decision LBJ. Physically, no doubt. But overall? I don't think so.

But the whole story is just terribly funny. It'd be way funnier if it was happening to the Celtics. But the funny shit only keeps happening to the worst organizations.

Jack Hannahan and Casey Kotchman as your starting corner infielders?? Funny. Ubaldo? Funny.

Brand new owner about to be indicted for fraud? Funny!!

Hiring the guy you got rid of to appease an immature star who had to leave to grow up and was gone regardless and then re-hiring him 3 years later? Funny!!
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Re: The Triumphant Return of Mike Brown?

Unread postby jerryroche » Wed Apr 24, 2013 9:15 am

e0y2e3 wrote:It isn't the worst hire in the world, however, it is the gawd damned funniest.

At some point, all you as a Cleveland fan can do is laugh. For years, we've been amazed at all the stupid mistakes being made by supposedly smart people. But at least they weren't repeating the mistakes, they were making new ones. This hire takes stupid to a whole new (and much funnier) level.

If you care about the Cavs, you just hope that Roker hires someone who knows at least the basics of running an NBA offense. 'Cuz, based on past history, he sure don't.
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Re: The Triumphant Return of Mike Brown?

Unread postby CAVSTRIBEBROWNSin07! » Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:01 am

I'm ok with Brown, but as soon as I heard the news I laughed for a good 5 minutes straight. I've been eagerly lapping up the meltdown being experienced by many of my friends. Too funny.

I keep seeing people bitching about them not going after Brian Shaw. Shaw was supposedly Phil's heir apparent, yet despite the Lakers themselves ultimately deciding that a guy who they know intimately wasn't HC material (multiple times!), Cleveland fans know better.

And no take is more idiotic than how MB's return affects a possible LBJ return. Some people are so indoctrinated in the ESPN culture that they can now only see news stories through the same prism as those sensationalistic fucks.
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Re: The Triumphant Return of Mike Brown?

Unread postby Kingpin74 » Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:36 am

I agree with Peeker that he's probably no better or worse than 80% of the guys out there. I'm just angry because this is a move that essentially waives the white flag.

It's been well established that once his team is in a position to win big, with the pressure, attention, egos, etc. that come with it, Mike Brown gets his clock cleaned. Stan Van Gundy ran a clinic on him in 2009. Ditto for Doc Rivers in 2010. Kobe "let him coach him" in LA before they lost a semi-winnable series to OKC last year. He's proven to be spineless with star players. I give him credit for the 2007 win over the Pistons and the 2006 and 2008 dogfights against superior Pistons and Celtics teams. But, at the end of the day, '06 and '08 were still losses and without a superhuman solo LeBron stretch in that '07 Game 5, we're probably talking about a team that never even reached the Finals with the best player on earth.

He's not all bad. If you want to return the team to respectability, he's a decent choice. And maybe overemphasizing defense is the best course of action for an underdog roster. I just can't help but think we're signing up for something between the 7 and 10 seed for the foreseeable future. And if some people think complaining about how he would do in a playoff series is a champagne problem at this point, I respect that. I just think you need to aim higher in the NBA and would have rather given an up and comer an opportunity.
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Re: The Triumphant Return of Mike Brown?

Unread postby jb » Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:53 am

As much as we scoff and laugh, the possibility of Roker's relationship to Bron has to be an X factor here.

And maybe Bron's year of public opinion exhile did change him.

I know. I think it's funny, too (Quoting AI), but I can't say this hasn't crossed my mind.

There are rumors Bron returning is happening and this could lay groundwork for comfort level. Bron wants a coach he can control. You think Spol runs that show?
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Re: The Triumphant Return of Mike Brown?

Unread postby jb » Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:54 am

leadpipe wrote:You guys do understand Lebron wasn't coming back here if Jesus H. Christ was the coach.

You do know this, right?

Jesus H. Christ.



No.

I think that but I do not know that.
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Re: The Triumphant Return of Mike Brown?

Unread postby Madre Hill, Superstar » Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:59 am

CAVSTRIBEBROWNSin07! wrote:I keep seeing people bitching about them not going after Brian Shaw. Shaw was supposedly Phil's heir apparent, yet despite the Lakers themselves ultimately deciding that a guy who they know intimately wasn't HC material (multiple times!), Cleveland fans know better.


To be fair, a lot of people know better than Jim Buss.

I think Shaw has a shot to be something special, I would've rather taken that chance than go for Roker II: Doormat Boogaloo.
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Re: The Triumphant Return of Mike Brown?

Unread postby leadpipe » Wed Apr 24, 2013 2:18 pm

jb wrote:As much as we scoff and laugh, the possibility of Roker's relationship to Bron has to be an X factor here.

And maybe Bron's year of public opinion exhile did change him.

I know. I think it's funny, too (Quoting AI), but I can't say this hasn't crossed my mind.

There are rumors Bron returning is happening and this could lay groundwork for comfort level. Bron wants a coach he can control. You think Spol runs that show?


I would argue that Lebron has learned that guys with their head on straight giving him advice (Riley, Wade) might work out better than him running over a doormat.

He strikes me as arrogant, not dumb.

And yeah, I'd agree that public backlash got to him - just not nearly enough for him to come back to an organization that has done little correct in all its existence.

Waaaaay more important for him to win, then to have a coach to control.

Not to mention the fact that even if he wanted to come back, the Cavs would somehow fuck up the cap situation so they didn't have room for him.

He ain't comin back to a 35 degree dead city with a horrible organization in place. Nobody does this when your other choices are basically everywhere else.
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Re: The Triumphant Return of Mike Brown?

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Wed Apr 24, 2013 2:21 pm

Madre Hill, Superstar wrote:
CAVSTRIBEBROWNSin07! wrote:I keep seeing people bitching about them not going after Brian Shaw. Shaw was supposedly Phil's heir apparent, yet despite the Lakers themselves ultimately deciding that a guy who they know intimately wasn't HC material (multiple times!), Cleveland fans know better.


To be fair, a lot of people know better than Jim Buss.

I think Shaw has a shot to be something special, I would've rather taken that chance than go for Roker II: Doormat Boogaloo.


Jim Buss is an idiot, but a lot of owners and GMs have passed on the prodigal Shaw at this point.
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Re: The Triumphant Return of Mike Brown?

Unread postby jb » Wed Apr 24, 2013 3:43 pm

leadpipe wrote:
jb wrote:As much as we scoff and laugh, the possibility of Roker's relationship to Bron has to be an X factor here.

And maybe Bron's year of public opinion exhile did change him.

I know. I think it's funny, too (Quoting AI), but I can't say this hasn't crossed my mind.

There are rumors Bron returning is happening and this could lay groundwork for comfort level. Bron wants a coach he can control. You think Spol runs that show?


I would argue that Lebron has learned that guys with their head on straight giving him advice (Riley, Wade) might work out better than him running over a doormat.

He strikes me as arrogant, not dumb.

And yeah, I'd agree that public backlash got to him - just not nearly enough for him to come back to an organization that has done little correct in all its existence.

Waaaaay more important for him to win, then to have a coach to control.

Not to mention the fact that even if he wanted to come back, the Cavs would somehow fuck up the cap situation so they didn't have room for him.

He ain't comin back to a 35 degree dead city with a horrible organization in place. Nobody does this when your other choices are basically everywhere else.



Well, he does live here. he has a sense of history and legacy.

I'd see your arrogant but raise youimmature and spoiled. But I believe he's changed to a degree. How much?

He's Bron. Really, who know what he'll do?
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Re: The Triumphant Return of Mike Brown?

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Wed Apr 24, 2013 3:53 pm

It's this fucking simple:

Pat Reilly >>>>>> Any GM the Cavs can come up w/

Spo >>>>> 95% of the coaches the Cavs cane come up w/ (seriously that offense is magnificent)

Micky Arison >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gilbert.

Arison is the owner w/ the open checkbook that showed up to the lock-out meetings just asking to finish things while the Cavs Gremlin ran around pouting and yelling.
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Re: The Triumphant Return of Mike Brown?

Unread postby CP » Wed Apr 24, 2013 5:01 pm

Heard Gilbert has partnered with Jimmy Haslam to issue rebates to season-ticket holders upset at the Mike Brown hire...
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Re: The Triumphant Return of Mike Brown?

Unread postby leadpipe » Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:47 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:It's this fucking simple:

Pat Reilly >>>>>> Any GM the Cavs can come up w/

Spo >>>>> 95% of the coaches the Cavs cane come up w/ (seriously that offense is magnificent)

Micky Arison >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gilbert.

Arison is the owner w/ the open checkbook that showed up to the lock-out meetings just asking to finish things while the Cavs Gremlin ran around pouting and yelling.


And all of em' got BALLS.

Reilly and Arison, the record speaks for itself.

And Spo, not only is the offense and all movement fantastic, gotta give the guy credit for making it better intead of resting on the championship.

Again, LBJ ain't dumb. People he respects will trump people he can walk over in regards to winning. If he was too arrogant to understand this before, he KNOWS it now. Hell, he's lived it.

And by the way, "The Birdman" Well past his athletic prime, 18 minutes a night Birdman.....The Heat picked him up for free, and he would EASILY be in the top five free agents ALL TIME that the Cavs have signed.

Shake yourselves, the guy ain't comin' back.
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Re: The Triumphant Return of Mike Brown?

Unread postby OldDawg » Wed Apr 24, 2013 8:10 pm

leadpipe wrote:And Spo, not only is the offense and all movement fantastic, gotta give the guy credit for making it better intead of resting on the championship.

Again, LBJ ain't dumb. People he respects will trump people he can walk over in regards to winning. If he was too arrogant to understand this before, he KNOWS it now. Hell, he's lived it.

LBJ respects Spo


Say what you want. That was no accident.

But that's irrelevant. He ain't coming back. Anyways, we don't need him.
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Re: The Triumphant Return of Mike Brown?

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Wed Apr 24, 2013 8:18 pm

2010 man, 2010.

Different world.
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Re: The Triumphant Return of Mike Brown?

Unread postby leadpipe » Wed Apr 24, 2013 9:08 pm

OldDawg wrote:
leadpipe wrote:And Spo, not only is the offense and all movement fantastic, gotta give the guy credit for making it better intead of resting on the championship.

Again, LBJ ain't dumb. People he respects will trump people he can walk over in regards to winning. If he was too arrogant to understand this before, he KNOWS it now. Hell, he's lived it.

LBJ respects Spo


Say what you want. That was no accident.

But that's irrelevant. He ain't coming back. Anyways, we don't need him.
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Yes, LBJ respects Spo.

I never said, "LBJ always respected Spo."

This is to my point. In going from perhaps not respecting the guy, to respecting him, he mighta learned a few things. Probably one of those being that he'll probably never respect a coach, team or organization that lets him buffalo them.
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Re: The Triumphant Return of Mike Brown?

Unread postby Triple-S » Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:14 pm

6 the player is a different animal this go around.

This probably was the result of "The Decision", which allowed him to mature quite a bit in the process.

If we would have had the post-Decision 6 I think there'd be a few Banners up in the Q. Alas, there's no way THAT 6 would have existed within Cleveland under the current system. "The Decision" made him the player he is today, and caused him to grow into the player he was supposed to be.

As time goes by the wounds seem to heal, and I'm beginning to not blame him as much for leaving. (the television show is another thing). Hirings like this make it clear he was rather justified in doing so. The franchise just doesn't understand how to win.

If he wants to come back? That's fine. But I'm not losing sleep over the possibility either way.

As for the Cavs, Mike Brown and Dan Gilbert? It's just a very dumb move. Not because I believe Brown is a terrible coach, but I think that the franchise needs a new direction. But within the NBA you win with players, and I'm not so sure this franchise has that outside of Kyrie.
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Re: The Triumphant Return of Mike Brown?

Unread postby OldDawg » Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:33 am

leadpipe wrote:Yes, LBJ respects Spo.

I never said, "LBJ always respected Spo."

This is to my point. In going from perhaps not respecting the guy, to respecting him, he mighta learned a few things. Probably one of those being that he'll probably never respect a coach, team or organization that lets him buffalo them.

I actually agree 100% with what you say here. I was just stirring up a little of the past.
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Re: The Triumphant Return of Mike Brown?

Unread postby OldDawg » Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:52 am

The real reason LBJ now respects Spo????


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Re: The Triumphant Return of Mike Brown?

Unread postby jb » Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:30 am

leadpipe wrote:
Shake yourselves, the guy ain't comin' back.



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Re: The Triumphant Return of Mike Brown?

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:56 am

Well, shake yourselves, enjoy Kyrie's further transition into AI and hope Mike Brown can put together a scrappy bunch of role-players like Larry Brown did in Philly.
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