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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby danwismar » Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:09 pm

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British_Pharaoh wrote: People like you and me have the potential to be murderers on a large scale.


Yes. Yes we do.

FWIW, my working theory is that big brother was radicalized...by Internet video or more directly...and then persuaded little brother to join him in the cause. Either that...or my head is up my ass, and it's something entirely fucking different.

Pretty sure it's one or the other.


My guess is we'll never know for sure, because i think it's unlikely that this kid ends up coming in alive, but I think your first theory is the most likely we have to work with right now. At least until some new information comes along it fits with what we know so far.

Doesn't mean your head's not up your ass. Those are completely separate issues.


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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby British_Pharaoh » Fri Apr 19, 2013 7:09 pm

Gun shots and tear gas been fired. It appears they have the suspect located in a boat, tipped off my a resident who saw a trail of blood
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby motherscratcher » Fri Apr 19, 2013 7:32 pm

I hope he's taken alive but it sure looks unlikely. I'd like to hear what he has to say about the whole thing.

Of course, TJ Lane still walks the earth and that hasn't really offered any insight, so maybe it doesn't matter.
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby British_Pharaoh » Fri Apr 19, 2013 7:36 pm

If there's blood then it's likely he was injured either in the bomb blast (shrapnel) or the shootout in the morning. If that's the case then he must have lost a lot of blood and his wounds will likely be infected. They need to get to him quickly before he either dies of his wounds or kills himself.
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby British_Pharaoh » Fri Apr 19, 2013 7:39 pm

He's not dead





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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

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An FBI official has confirmed that the bureau interviewed Tamerlan Tsarnaev, one of two suspected Boston Marathon bombers, in 2011 at the request of a foreign government that suspected he had ties to a terrorist organization. The interview was conducted by the FBI in Boston, said the official. The investigation found “no derogatory information” and the case was closed, according to the official, who refused to identify the country or the terrorist organization.


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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Fri Apr 19, 2013 8:13 pm

Now the boat is on fire.
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Fri Apr 19, 2013 8:17 pm

"Suspect covered in blood"- NBC correspondent.
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Fri Apr 19, 2013 8:23 pm

In other breaking news, a 7.0 earthquake struck Szechuan China.
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

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pup wrote:In custody


And alive
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Fri Apr 19, 2013 8:54 pm

Now, hopefully, we get some answers.
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill 2.0 » Fri Apr 19, 2013 8:59 pm

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:Now, hopefully, we get some answers.



Yeah....like what asshole at NBC claimed he was in custody about 8 posts ago...?

..and why the fuck would you believe anything anyone on NBC says?
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:02 pm

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Cerebral_DownTime wrote:Now, hopefully, we get some answers.



Yeah....like what asshole at NBC claimed he was in custody about 8 posts ago...?

..and why the fuck would you believe anything anyone on NBC says?


Nevermind, misunderstood you. My bad.

Haha. Good point.
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby peeker643 » Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:03 pm

Ahh... now the ironic part begins. When a guy that hates every thing this country stands for gladly accepts the benefit of counsel that is provided.

And yeah, yeah, yeah.... I'm generalizing. Know nothing about how this kid was indoctrinated into this situation. Maybe he's a huge fan of due process.

Hmm....

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The 'couple of dopey brothers acting the fool' theory keeps taking on more water.
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:51 pm

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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby peeker643 » Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:56 pm

Wonder if the shot to the neck was the intended spot or a 'fortuitous miss'. My bet was it was the intended spot and a brilliant shot. Those guys are ridiculous.
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:58 pm

How the hell did he survive with that wound for 20 freaking hours? Plus the one in the leg.....
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby peeker643 » Fri Apr 19, 2013 10:04 pm

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:How the hell did he survive with that wound for 20 freaking hours? Plus the one in the leg.....


I dunno. Maybe he only incurred one of them prior to getting in the boat? That's what I was saying: wouldn't surprise me if the neck wound was inflicted while he was in the boat by a sniper. Hard to believe he swallowed blood for 20 hours.
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Fri Apr 19, 2013 10:05 pm

A sniper round to the neck = dead. I'd bet it's a 9mm.
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby peeker643 » Fri Apr 19, 2013 10:07 pm

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:A sniper round to the neck = dead. I'd bet it's a 9mm.


Probably true. I'd imagine we'll find out such details in the coming days.
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill 2.0 » Fri Apr 19, 2013 10:49 pm

What cal can penetratethe hull of a fiberglass boat and not veer off course?
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby FUDU » Fri Apr 19, 2013 10:55 pm

The moment that boat is done being used for evidence I'd sell it, probably quadrupled the value of it.
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Fri Apr 19, 2013 10:56 pm

I'd say the 7.62/.308 would do the trick, maybe 5.56 too. That's a high velocity round.
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby peeker643 » Sat Apr 20, 2013 5:30 am

Fire Marshall Bill 2.0 wrote:What cal can penetratethe hull of a fiberglass boat and not veer off course?



Why would it have to if he was sitting up and exposed at some point?
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby FUDU » Sat Apr 20, 2013 8:49 am

The reports I'm reading seem to back up what FMB is saying, doesn't sound like the kid peeked out at all.
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby General » Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:04 am

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:In other breaking news, a 7.0 earthquake struck Szechuan China.


Will this affect the price of Szechuan Chicken at Bali Hai?
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby Hikohadon » Sat Apr 20, 2013 10:26 am

peeker643 wrote:The 'couple of dopey brothers acting the fool' theory keeps taking on more water.


Meh, still as likely as any other theory in situations like this.

If this was the act of some terrorist "group", then we've done some serious damage to them in the last 12 years.

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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby danwismar » Sat Apr 20, 2013 11:47 am

Two profiles of the brothers...one from the Boston Globe...the other from the New yorker's David Remnick (both decidedly liberal outlets, BTW), and both deal with the increasing Islamic radicalization of the elder brother, and speculate that the more easy-going, less alienated younger brother was brought along by the older one.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/0 ... story.html

http://www.newyorker.com/talk/2013/04/2 ... lk_remnick

Still I am fully expecting days of oh-so-non-judgmental, furrowed brow, chin-stroking bewilderment in the national media over what the motive could possibly have been.

...and of course the continuing insistence from certain people that any number of other explanations are just as likely.
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby danwismar » Sat Apr 20, 2013 11:53 am

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peeker643 wrote:The 'couple of dopey brothers acting the fool' theory keeps taking on more water.


Meh, still as likely as any other theory in situations like this.

If this was the act of some terrorist "group", then we've done some serious damage to them in the last 12 years.

Glad he's alive, hopefully they'll get him to spill.


yes we have done serious damage to al Qaeda in the last 12 years...

...and haven't we seen enough attacks by lone wolf Islamist jihadists acting independently of any organized group to finally understand that no such formal affiliation is needed for these people to commit mass murder in service of this ideology?

Thoughts on this topic from Victor Davis Hanson, (including links to other things he has written on it over the last decade)

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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby FUDU » Sat Apr 20, 2013 11:56 am

danwismar wrote:Two profiles of the brothers...one from the Boston Globe...the other from the New yorker's David Remnick (both decidedly liberal outlets, BTW), and both deal with the increasing Islamic radicalization of the elder brother, and speculate that the more easy-going, less alienated younger brother was brought along by the older one.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/0 ... story.html

http://www.newyorker.com/talk/2013/04/2 ... lk_remnick

Still I am fully expecting days of oh-so-non-judgmental, furrowed brow, chin-stroking bewilderment in the national media over what the motive could possibly have been.

...and of course the continuing insistence from certain people that any number of other explanations are just as likely.


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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby gotribe31 » Sat Apr 20, 2013 1:54 pm

The wild, baseless speculation from the media, politicians who should know better, and the general public in this case is as predictable as it is pathetic. People flying off half-cocked who take 5% of a story and invent the other 95% and believe that their story is either fact or probably true. Unreal.
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby Hikohadon » Sat Apr 20, 2013 2:09 pm

danwismar wrote:...and haven't we seen enough attacks by lone wolf Islamist jihadists acting independently of any organized group to finally understand that no such formal affiliation is needed for these people to commit mass murder in service of this ideology?


Yep, same as we see lone wolf Christian nutjobs.

Lone wolf [insert religion here] wackos don't bother me a bit. They've always been around and they always will be. Like worrying about getting hit by a meteor.

Organized militant groups with clearly laid out plans of attack, on the other hand...

I still feel this was likely the work of lone wolf idealist loons. If this was planned by a terrorist group, they're a pretty sloppy bunch.
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby danwismar » Sat Apr 20, 2013 3:56 pm

Hikohadon wrote:I still feel this was likely the work of lone wolf idealist loons.


Yes, clearly. So why is it that you seem unwilling to acknowledge the specific ideology?
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby Hikohadon » Sat Apr 20, 2013 4:29 pm

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Hikohadon wrote:I still feel this was likely the work of lone wolf idealist loons.


Yes, clearly. So why is it that you seem unwilling to acknowledge the specific ideology?


Because the ideology of lone wolves means nothing to me.

Personally, I don’t care about their politics. Maybe they’re pissed at the camel Jockeys, maybe it’s the Hebes, Northern Ireland, that’s none of my business.

If these guys did it for Islam or Apartheid or the Church of Scientology or Jews For Jesus or Hari Krishna or the Sierra Club, don't matter to me... if they did it on their own volition for their own reasons, then that's all I need to know.
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Sat Apr 20, 2013 5:39 pm

"well, there's 3 of you, so you're not exactly lone, are you?"
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Sat Apr 20, 2013 5:41 pm

Did the ideology of McVeigh, Nichols, or Rudoldph interest you?
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby danwismar » Sat Apr 20, 2013 5:54 pm

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:Did the ideology of McVeigh, Nichols, or Rudoldph interest you?


They were anti-government extremists (McVeigh and Nichols at least) After OKC, no one spent a lot of time pretending that their motivations were a mystery.
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Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Sat Apr 20, 2013 5:59 pm

Wasn't asking you.
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby danwismar » Sat Apr 20, 2013 7:29 pm

Love the Mencken quote CDT, but the entire premise of your Wolfpac link is a distortion of the issue of Citizens United. I'm amazed by how many people think CU made it legal for corporations to donate to political campaigns. It was illegal before CU, and it remains illegal today. To suggest otherwise is to distort reality, and that's what WolfPac is doing. For another thread obviously.
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Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Sat Apr 20, 2013 7:49 pm

Meh.... I forgot that link was even in my signature. Too me, our elected politicians are pretty much all money whores. They're easy to buy and the oversight is a joke. It's more than campaigns.
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby danwismar » Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:11 pm

Is the "lone wolf" theory going by the boards?:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/04 ... n-bombers/
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Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:27 pm

lol. Even the title is wrong "FBI Looking for 12 Islamic Sleeper Cells Linked to Boston Bombers".

They were looking for 12 people comprising one cell, not 12 cells.
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby danwismar » Sat Apr 20, 2013 11:31 pm

Whew! What a relief!
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby FUDU » Sun Apr 21, 2013 1:14 am

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:lol. Even the title is wrong "FBI Looking for 12 Islamic Sleeper Cells Linked to Boston Bombers".

They were looking for 12 people comprising one cell, not 12 cells.


Not to nit pick but I don't think that is what their title meant at all.

Either way, it appears obvious that our boys in the know are way beyond this being a couple of dudes getting lucky with such a stunt. It doesn't change anything for the victims, our country or the fact that this stuff will happen most likely at some point regardless of all our efforts.
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Sun Apr 21, 2013 3:23 am

FUDU wrote:
Cerebral_DownTime wrote:lol. Even the title is wrong "FBI Looking for 12 Islamic Sleeper Cells Linked to Boston Bombers".

They were looking for 12 people comprising one cell, not 12 cells.


Not to nit pick but I don't think that is what their title meant at all.

Either way, it appears obvious that our boys in the know are way beyond this being a couple of dudes getting lucky with such a stunt. It doesn't change anything for the victims, our country or the fact that this stuff will happen most likely at some point regardless of all our efforts.



FTR. I never said he was a "lone wolf", or a connected Jihadist at any point. The main reason is I don't fucking know the answer.

They changed the name of the title to "FBI Looking for 12-Strong Islamic Sleeper Cell Linked to Boston Bombers". They added "-Strong", because they knew the last one was misleading.

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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby Hikohadon » Sun Apr 21, 2013 1:54 pm

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:Did the ideology of McVeigh, Nichols, or Rudoldph interest you?

No, I don't even remember what their ideologies were.
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby peeker643 » Sun Apr 21, 2013 3:05 pm

Hikohadon wrote:
Cerebral_DownTime wrote:Did the ideology of McVeigh, Nichols, or Rudoldph interest you?

No, I don't even remember what their ideologies were.


Really? That McVey believed a "tyrannical government is fucking up the country" doesn't stand out and isn't memorable? That for McVey it was, in large part, retribution for the Waco siege and Ruby Ridge that he thought were examples of that tyranny?

OK.

I guess the fact you have no recollection of that makes the rest of the thread a little more understandable for me.

But the fact you have no recollection doesn't mean the rest of us don't know or understand or remember the ideological impetus behind it.

If you need a primer, think MILITIA 101.
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Sun Apr 21, 2013 8:43 pm

McVeigh and Nichols were driven primarily by extreme anti-government views and white supremacist ideology. The first being the biggest motivator. I think some of my fellow lefties (including me in the past) have tried to paint them as "Christian terrorists", but I no longer think that's really true. They were Christians, they both had a minor affiliation with Christian Identity, but that wasn't what motivated them to commit acts of violence.

The Turner Diaries played a huge part in their beliefs. That book is probably the biggest recruitment tool for homegrown terrorist since Birth Of A Nation sparked the epic Klan revival.

Eric Rudolph I consider to be no different from an Islamic militant.
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