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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby pup » Wed Apr 17, 2013 10:58 pm

YahooFanChicago wrote:not an over-reaction at all... calm, justified, appropriate reaction to a proven dumb fuck such as yourself. I would think you would be used to such reactions since you must get them a lot.


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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby YahooFanChicago » Thu Apr 18, 2013 2:21 am

motherscratcher wrote:Lol, WTF? I said you were grasping at straws. You flew off the handle and called me a fuckwad and a dickhead. What the hell is going on with you?


Gee, I wonder why??? I don't know you and you call me a "righteous fuckwad" before I said a word to you. It's a "no holds barred forum" on the internet so big deal but if you're going to make statements like that you shouldn't be surprised when people come back at you. But you already know this so stop the act...
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby motherscratcher » Thu Apr 18, 2013 4:35 am

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motherscratcher wrote:Lol, WTF? I said you were grasping at straws. You flew off the handle and called me a fuckwad and a dickhead. What the hell is going on with you?


Gee, I wonder why??? I don't know you and you call me a "righteous fuckwad" before I said a word to you. It's a "no holds barred forum" on the internet so big deal but if you're going to make statements like that you shouldn't be surprised when people come back at you. But you already know this so stop the act...


I did no such thing, Yahoo, so I'm going to have to insist that you go back and reread my post yet another time.

Again...I said you (your argument) were grasping at straws to explain a "righteous fuckjob".

Because that's what I called two guys who, it turns out did absolutely nothing wrong, being removed from a plane. What happened to those guys was a righteous fuckjob. It's pretty clear and I'm not sure how my post reads any other way, frankly.
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby YahooFanChicago » Thu Apr 18, 2013 6:16 am

Look, if I misunderstood you you have my humble apologies.

That said, I completely disagree with you. I speak from lots of experience when it comes to being a "foreigner" and I face small stereotypes and small discriminations on a daily basis and some larger ones on the rare occassion. I have been living outside the US for a long time so I understand it and I am used to it. The new expats I know tend to find it comical for the first few months, then they grow to resent it and either move back to their home country again after a few years...or they eventually end up like me and just accept it as being part of life and normal human nature.

If after those 2 guys were escorted off the plane by law enforcement on a day with a terrorist attack, were allowed back on the plane and didn't understand the sensitivity then fuck them completely...they are self absorbed idiots that deserve to be scrutinized further.

Were their rights infringed? yes, and as a foreigner myself I say "boo hoo" for them and that I would rather have some fellow foreigners rights lightly infringed then potentially have another terrorist attack and innocent people dying. Sometimes you have to use some common sense and be pragmatic and say we don't live in a perfect world with complete information and that life isn't always fair.

There are probably a few people in prison today serving life sentances for crimes they didn't commit. It is unfair as hell for them yet 99% of society doesn't say let's get rid of the cops, courts and criminal justice system because of those few wrongs. It's the same thing with preventing terrorism and intelligence, some people will be falsely suspected and accused but that is the cost of having imperfect information and intlligence. It's a rather smaller price than having countless terrorist attacks and the root cause is the crazy fucks who commit the terrorism...not the innocent people on the plane or the airline.

To those "do gooders" out there that say "this is just horrible that these poor foreigners were discriminated against and treatesd so unfairly" I say "get real and travel the world some more and see what discriminations you face"...it's everywhere and you're not some 17 or 18 year old rube idealist that doesn't know any better.
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby motherscratcher » Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:32 am

OK
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby motherscratcher » Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:03 am

Footage from the plane has been released

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=49qpZLJHN90
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:32 am

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Cerebral_DownTime wrote:Aid tents for dehydration and other runners' injuries, not people having limbs blown off.


Thats just stupid and indicative of your lack of awareness of whats in that tent and what it could be used for...

First of all, strecthers, tables and wheelchairs...more importantly, simple bandages and such that could be used in a variety of ways, not to mention IV's so get your head out of your ass and think cuz when I make you look stupid, you look realy really stupid



lol. Nice overreaction.

You should be British....... because you're a cunt. (that's a joke, buttfucker, don't get all pissy)
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:33 am

motherscratcher wrote:OK


Did you catch the number of that word-train that just blew by?
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby Hikohadon » Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:37 am

I've never lived outside the US and I've only been to 17 countries, but I did experience anti-American stereotypes in most of the places I went. Got a bottle smashed over my head in Greece for being an American walking in the wrong place too late at night.

And I still don't feel we as Americans should embrace the employment of stereotypes and discriminations just because we might experience them elsewhere. We're not an 8 year old.

And just because someone is speaking Arabic on a plane doesn't mean they weren't born in Scranton, PA.

I know this is a bit idealistic because there are just as many morons that live here as anywhere else, so actions like this are probably inevitable. I apologize for wanting my country to actually behave like the image they like to portray.
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby motherscratcher » Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:55 am

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:
motherscratcher wrote:OK


Did you catch the number of that word-train that just blew by?


Seemed like less is more was a good policy at that point.
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:09 am

Got a bottle smashed over my head in Greece for being an American walking in the wrong place too late at night.


Jesus... the Spartans sure went downhill.
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby peeker643 » Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:18 am

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:
Got a bottle smashed over my head in Greece for being an American walking in the wrong place too late at night.


Jesus... the Spartans sure went downhill.


Meh... it was probably one of Hiko's own friends he was traveling with that hit him with that bottle.
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:22 am

It was probably Colt McCoy. But i'm not sure he can generate enough force to break a bottle with his feeble woman arms.
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby peeker643 » Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:24 am

And again, before I fade from this thread and look for more fun elsewhere, decorum and humanity and manners and doing the right thing is all well and good. Clearly should be the focal point and the goal.

Just like exiting a hotel lobby or a city street should be done calmly and rationally and exiting your building during a fire drill is simple and easy enough.

Right up until bombs are going off, your city is being attacked and your building is actually burning.

I'm sure everyone here would still maintain their calm and discipline and proceed in an orderly fashion with their family and their kids doing the same.

Should you maintain your decency, honor and morals (provided you have any/all of the three to begin with) in the face of a real, perceived or potential threat?

Absolutely?

Will you?

If you say so.
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby motherscratcher » Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:26 am

peeker643 wrote:
Cerebral_DownTime wrote:
Got a bottle smashed over my head in Greece for being an American walking in the wrong place too late at night.


Jesus... the Spartans sure went downhill.


Meh... it was probably one of Hiko's own friends he was traveling with that hit him with that bottle.


The good thing to come out of that is that now Hiko knows exactly what it's like to be a person of middle-eastern descent in the wake of an alleged terrorist attack in America.

Or, to put it another way, fuck him if he can't take a joke, right?
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:26 am

OK.
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:33 am

American?

Do you?

Acting like.

Loud boom.

Carnage.

Muslims bad.

Turkey sandwich?

Nope.

Foreign language?

Scary.

Be comfortable.

Will you?

Maybe.
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby peeker643 » Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:40 am

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So comforting, you guys. Thanks for being so awesome in this completely imagined and theoretical scenario.

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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

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peeker643 wrote:Our board users in the face of danger and disaster:

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So comforting, you guys. Thanks for being so awesome in this completely imagined and theoretical scenario.

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I'm done.



Shit. That says "White Knight". I should have googled multi-colored/multi-cultured knight.

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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:42 am

Goddamn.... I would have made an awesome, but awkward knight.
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby peeker643 » Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:46 am

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:Goddamn.... I would have made an awesome, but awkward knight.



You would have crippled and maimed pretty much every horse in the kingdom, Shrek.
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:49 am

I would just run on foot swinging two axes.
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby peeker643 » Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:52 am

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I would just run on foot swinging two axes.


But your doctrine of fairness and love for all would have gotten in the way of the killing.

Especially during the crusades.

Swinging and swinging those two axes, with the intent to harm no one and promoting harmony and racial/cultural peace.
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby motherscratcher » Thu Apr 18, 2013 11:00 am

I'm pretty comfortable in thinking I probably wouldn't have lost my shit and insisted that two Arab dudes have to get off my plane in that situation. That's not exactly the same as implying im some sort of white knight multi cultural hero for the modern age.
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Thu Apr 18, 2013 11:03 am

peeker643 wrote:
Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I would just run on foot swinging two axes.


But your doctrine of fairness and love for all would have gotten in the way of the killing.

Especially during the crusades.

Swinging and swinging those two axes, with the intent to harm no one and promoting harmony and racial/cultural peace.



You think i'm dragging my tall ass to the Holy Land because some Pope said it'll be awesome? No thanks, plenty of same skinned enemies in Europe to bash.
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Thu Apr 18, 2013 11:05 am

motherscratcher wrote:I'm pretty comfortable in thinking I probably wouldn't have lost my shit and insisted that two Arab dudes have to get off my plane in that situation. That's not exactly the same as implying im some sort of white knight multi cultural hero for the modern age.


What if there were two guys speaking Arabic in your waiting room?
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

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motherscratcher wrote:I'm pretty comfortable in thinking I probably wouldn't have lost my shit and insisted that two Arab dudes have to get off my plane in that situation. That's not exactly the same as implying im some sort of white knight multi cultural hero for the modern age.


Not the deal.

As a paragon of morality and virtue would you have stepped up and defended their right to ride? You, your wife, your son, your newborn, flying home after bombings in the city where you just ran the marathon and your family was perhaps there at the finish line before the shit hit the fan.

Couple/few/dozen corn fed assholes or whomever starts complaining and questioning the arabic guys.

You jumping up on their behalf? You giving the speech to these passengers about citizenship and fairness? You sure these guys leaving the city on that plane have zero involvement? Does that even matter?
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Thu Apr 18, 2013 11:13 am

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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby peeker643 » Thu Apr 18, 2013 11:15 am

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:اللعنة الأيرلندية سخيفة. أوه لا، لغة أخرى. إزالة البيانات بشكل أفضل. لا تعرف أبدا ما قمت به، أو قد تفعل.


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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby danwismar » Thu Apr 18, 2013 11:56 am

You did the right thing, Peeks. No way we can tolerate talk like that in here. He was doing it so no one else could understand what he was saying...and hand gestures too, I'm sure.
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby Hikohadon » Thu Apr 18, 2013 11:59 am

peeker643 wrote:And again, before I fade from this thread and look for more fun elsewhere, decorum and humanity and manners and doing the right thing is all well and good. Clearly should be the focal point and the goal.

Just like exiting a hotel lobby or a city street should be done calmly and rationally and exiting your building during a fire drill is simple and easy enough.

Right up until bombs are going off, your city is being attacked and your building is actually burning.

I'm sure everyone here would still maintain their calm and discipline and proceed in an orderly fashion with their family and their kids doing the same.

Should you maintain your decency, honor and morals (provided you have any/all of the three to begin with) in the face of a real, perceived or potential threat?

Absolutely?

Will you?

If you say so.


Man, you should be a writer for The Bachelorette with the drama you're able to manufacture. ;-) ;) :wink:

If there were some kind of coordinated attack that killed thousands and caused buildings to tumble to the ground, then, yes, my first impulse would be to assume Islamists did it. Doesn't mean I'm killing the first Arab I see because all 100 million of them were in on it, but if 9/11 just happened then it's probably more justifiable to demand Arab Bill be removed (although still technically wrong).

If a couple homemade bombs go off, my first impulse is that this was probably either one or a couple whackjobs - just as likely white and American as anything else - that did it for god-knows-what reason, and I'd be just as likely to demand that all the white Christians be removed from the plane as Arabs or Hindus or Jews or whatever.

If the Islamic fundamentalists were gonna hit us again, it ain't pressure cookers filled with nails, or else they would've been doing that every week in every city since 9/11.

That is why I believe that assuming Arabs had anything to do with it - much less those particular Arabs on that particular flight (Christ, what are the odds?) - is a racist attitude that I think we can all understand but should never ever embrace or support.

As for what I'd do in that situation - I would NEVER demand someone be removed. I'm not going to live my life that way. You board any plane at any time you accept the fact that there's a chance you might die and so be it. If the .0000001% chance comes to fruition where those guys are actually terrorists, then them's just the cards. That was my attitude when I flew cross-country the week after 9/11, that's my attitude now.
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby peeker643 » Thu Apr 18, 2013 12:08 pm

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peeker643 wrote:And again, before I fade from this thread and look for more fun elsewhere, decorum and humanity and manners and doing the right thing is all well and good. Clearly should be the focal point and the goal.

Just like exiting a hotel lobby or a city street should be done calmly and rationally and exiting your building during a fire drill is simple and easy enough.

Right up until bombs are going off, your city is being attacked and your building is actually burning.

I'm sure everyone here would still maintain their calm and discipline and proceed in an orderly fashion with their family and their kids doing the same.

Should you maintain your decency, honor and morals (provided you have any/all of the three to begin with) in the face of a real, perceived or potential threat?

Absolutely?

Will you?

If you say so.


Man, you should be a writer for The Bachelorette with the drama you're able to manufacture. ;-) ;) :wink:

If there were some kind of coordinated attack that killed thousands and caused buildings to tumble to the ground, then, yes, my first impulse would be to assume Islamists did it. Doesn't mean I'm killing the first Arab I see because all 100 million of them were in on it, but if 9/11 just happened then it's probably more justifiable to demand Arab Bill be removed (although still technically wrong).

If a couple homemade bombs go off, my first impulse is that this was probably either one or a couple whackjobs - just as likely white and American as anything else - that did it for god-knows-what reason, and I'd be just as likely to demand that all the white Christians be removed from the plane as Arabs or Hindus or Jews or whatever.

If the Islamic fundamentalists were gonna hit us again, it ain't pressure cookers filled with nails, or else they would've been doing that every week in every city since 9/11.

That is why I believe that assuming Arabs had anything to do with it - much less those particular Arabs on that particular flight (Christ, what are the odds?) - is a racist attitude that I think we can all understand but should never ever embrace or support.

As for what I'd do in that situation - I would NEVER demand someone be removed. I'm not going to live my life that way. You board any plane at any time you accept the fact that there's a chance you might die and so be it. If the .0000001% chance comes to fruition where those guys are actually terrorists, then them's just the cards. That was my attitude when I flew cross-country the week after 9/11, that's my attitude now.


FWiW, I agree with all of that. Except 'The Bachelorette' part. ;-) ;) :wink:

But in the immediate aftermath of what happened I can understand why it happened.

I don't know what the odds are. Infinitesimal probably. But I haven't seen reports where it occurred on other flights out of other cities in the country. Not saying it didn't, but I haven't seen them. And I can empathize with marathoners getting on that plane in Boston where it happened and the likely things going through their mind.

That doesn't make it right, clearly. But again, I can understand the reasons for someone being scared enough to lose their grasp on reality in the immediate aftermath.
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby motherscratcher » Thu Apr 18, 2013 12:33 pm

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motherscratcher wrote:I'm pretty comfortable in thinking I probably wouldn't have lost my shit and insisted that two Arab dudes have to get off my plane in that situation. That's not exactly the same as implying im some sort of white knight multi cultural hero for the modern age.


Not the deal.

As a paragon of morality and virtue would you have stepped up and defended their right to ride? You, your wife, your son, your newborn, flying home after bombings in the city where you just ran the marathon and your family was perhaps there at the finish line before the shit hit the fan.

Couple/few/dozen corn fed assholes or whomever starts complaining and questioning the arabic guys.

You jumping up on their behalf? You giving the speech to these passengers about citizenship and fairness? You sure these guys leaving the city on that plane have zero involvement? Does that even matter?


No, I probably wouldn't. Nor should I have to as I'm not in any position of authority there. The people in a position of authority, I.E. the cops/pilots/Airline employees should have put on their big boy pants and acted accordingly.

I'm not in complete disagreement with Yahoo, I guess, in that I would find it much more understandable, especially at that time, if the airline and airport "randomly" singled those guys out for a more thorough bag and person check on their way through security, not that this would be technically right either. But to turn the plane around, go back to the gate, remove the men and detain them in the airport for an unspecified amount of time simply because some people felt uncomfortable with the color of their skin is a little bit over that thick grey line.

Of course all of this is my opinion before I was aware that there were hand gestures involved.
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You guys see the video of the National Anthem last night at the Bruins game?

Pretty cool. Even for me and even if I'm forced to post a link from Bleacher Report (a place, like Fallujah, that I vow never to visit): http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1608 ... ?hpt=hp_t2
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Unread postby danwismar » Thu Apr 18, 2013 1:06 pm

Hikohadon wrote:If the Islamic fundamentalists were gonna hit us again, it ain't pressure cookers filled with nails, or else they would've been doing that every week in every city since 9/11.

That is why I believe that assuming Arabs had anything to do with it - much less those particular Arabs on that particular flight (Christ, what are the odds?) - is a racist attitude that I think we can all understand but should never ever embrace or support.


Or....possibly "assuming Arabs had anything to do with it" might just be not a "racist attitude", but instead an assumption based on having had one's eyes open for the last 25 years or so, as the overwhelming majority of lethal bombings of this sort turned out to have been perpetrated by Islamic fundamentalists. Occam's Razor.

I don't assume anything. It could just as easily be someone trying to get a teaching gig at Columbia. (Does Kathy Boudin have an alibi?)

We should assume it's not Islamists because if it were, they would have been doing it all the time in every city? Really? Coheren't.

And please..."racism" - the most overused, lazy, and misused word in today's discourse. Islam - it's not a race.
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danwismar wrote:
Hikohadon wrote:If the Islamic fundamentalists were gonna hit us again, it ain't pressure cookers filled with nails, or else they would've been doing that every week in every city since 9/11.

That is why I believe that assuming Arabs had anything to do with it - much less those particular Arabs on that particular flight (Christ, what are the odds?) - is a racist attitude that I think we can all understand but should never ever embrace or support.


Or....possibly "assuming Arabs had anything to do with it" might just be not a "racist attitude", but instead an assumption based on having had one's eyes open for the last 25 years or so, as the overwhelming majority of lethal bombings of this sort turned out to have been perpetrated by Islamic fundamentalists. Occam's Razor.

I don't assume anything. It could just as easily be someone trying to get a teaching gig at Columbia. (Does Kathy Boudin have an alibi?)

We should assume it's not Islamists because if it were, they would have been doing it all the time in every city? Really? Coheren't.

And please..."racism" - the most overused, lazy, and misused word in today's discourse. Islam - it's not a race.


Judging anyone by religion, race, gender, sexual preference... it's all bigotry. Everyone does it to some extent. But to defend the practice is ignorant.

And, yes, assuming that someone that speaks Arabic is an Islamic Fundamentalist is "racist". If you prefer the word "hysterical" or "fucking retarded", then be my guest. There's a big difference between unsupported charges of "racism" (like when Warren Moon says it) and a specific example of racism (like calling for security when a black guy walks in the store because he's black). One IS lazy, the other IS definition.

Like I said, homemade bombs is a fundamentalist way to go, but not necessarily Islamic. First guy I picture is some Ted Kaczynski type, school shooting type crazy ass anti-government white dude.

Maybe I just hate white people.
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby danwismar » Thu Apr 18, 2013 1:52 pm

Hiko...no argument at all that freaking out about two dark-skinned guys speaking Arabic on an airplane is nutty, overreaction, and probably based in bigotry as much as perhaps legitimate fear. I wasn't even speaking to that. I think you're right that the wrong guys were taken off the plane.

But the striking out with shrapnel-laden bombs at America's (or the West in general) symbols of freedom, wealth and power is classic Islamism (all too often demonstrated). To pretend otherwise, in service of the debate-squelching doctrine of political correctness is just as nutty as looking suspiciously at every dark-skinned dude you see.

The general comment about use of the word "racism" was not directed at you any more than at the rest of the world.
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby danwismar » Thu Apr 18, 2013 2:09 pm

Hikohadon wrote:First guy I picture is some Ted Kaczynski type, school shooting type crazy ass anti-government white dude.


Interesting that you identify three distinctly different "types" in your description of a "type". Kaczynski...a Luddite really...anti-modernity, anti-technology (closer to Islamist than any of the others)...the school shooters, who can't really be identified in any real way as "anti-government" (or in any way like the Unibomber) from Columbine to Chardon to Sandy Hook...and the actual McVeigh-ish government-hater.

In other words...their "whiteness" is incidental to their actions. Profiling anyone?
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby Hikohadon » Thu Apr 18, 2013 2:21 pm

danwismar wrote:Hiko...no argument at all that freaking out about two dark-skinned guys speaking Arabic on an airplane is nutty, overreaction, and probably based in bigotry as much as perhaps legitimate fear. I wasn't even speaking to that. I think you're right that the wrong guys were taken off the plane.

But the striking out with shrapnel-laden bombs at America's (or the West in general) symbols of freedom, wealth and power is classic Islamism (all too often demonstrated). To pretend otherwise, in service of the debate-squelching doctrine of political correctness is just as nutty as looking suspiciously at every dark-skinned dude you see.

The general comment about use of the word "racism" was not directed at you any more than at the rest of the world.


It very well could be an Islamist that planted the bomb. But I think if we look back on "terrorist" attacks in the US (bombs, poison packages, mass killings/shootings) - and I don't have the stats - most of them were perpetrated by white Americans.

If this WAS an Islamic fundamentalist, I'd guess they were acting on their own since al Queda following up 9/11 12 years later with a couple homemade bombs that kills 3 people (one of them Chinese) is the worst sequel since Caddyshack 2.

That's what I said that about if this were the plot of terrorist groups then it would happen all the time all over the place and a helluva long time before now. There's no way after a coordinated hijacking of 4 planes and flying them into buildings and killing thousands of people that the best they can then come up with is blowing up a crock pot on a sidewalk.

Thus my assumption that this was one or two people acting alone with a personal agenda - fundamentalism, yes, but about what and where they come from... could be anyone.

And if I still have an unreasoning fear that 2 guys that speak Arabic are on my plane, then I should get off since it's MY problem, not theirs.

But I guess there could be advantages if we're just gonna let unfounded fear/dislike be enough to kick people off flights - there sure as hell won't be any weirdo born-again Christians on my flights from now on.
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby Hikohadon » Thu Apr 18, 2013 2:29 pm

danwismar wrote:
Hikohadon wrote:First guy I picture is some Ted Kaczynski type, school shooting type crazy ass anti-government white dude.


Interesting that you identify three distinctly different "types" in your description of a "type". Kaczynski...a Luddite really...anti-modernity, anti-technology (closer to Islamist than any of the others)...the school shooters, who can't really be identified in any real way as "anti-government" (or in any way like the Unibomber) from Columbine to Chardon to Sandy Hook...and the actual McVeigh-ish government-hater.

In other words...their "whiteness" is incidental to their actions. Profiling anyone?


Everyone's color is incidental to their actions. Everyone.

That's my point. Crazy mutha fuckas come in all shapes and colors. The bomber is a faceless, colorness nut at this point.
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby danwismar » Thu Apr 18, 2013 3:09 pm

Hikohadon wrote:Everyone's color is incidental to their actions. Everyone.

That's my point. Crazy mutha fuckas come in all shapes and colors. The bomber is a faceless, colorness nut at this point.


Well...not everyone, but I take your point...which is why I didn't feel the need to circle back to my original point that race is incidental to Islamist terror...as the existence of Adam Gadahn and other white and/or American Islamists attests. They act in the service of an ideology and a worldview, not on the basis of racial grievance.

And your point about the lack of follow-up attacks since 9/11 speaks to what we have done since 9/11. Not only did we not lie down and "submit", but rather pursued and captured or killed the people responsible, and we have thwarted literally hundreds of planned attacks in the decade since with aggressive counter-terrorist policies. Their lack of success at killing large numbers of innocent Americans has not been for lack of trying. Ask GoTribe31 if you have any doubts about that.
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Unread postby Hikohadon » Thu Apr 18, 2013 3:31 pm

danwismar wrote:
Hikohadon wrote:Everyone's color is incidental to their actions. Everyone.

That's my point. Crazy mutha fuckas come in all shapes and colors. The bomber is a faceless, colorness nut at this point.


Well...not everyone, but I take your point...which is why I didn't feel the need to circle back to my original point that race is incidental to Islamist terror...as the existence of Adam Gadahn and other white and/or American Islamists attests. They act in the service of an ideology and a worldview, not on the basis of racial grievance.

And your point about the lack of follow-up attacks since 9/11 speaks to what we have done since 9/11. Not only did we not lie down and "submit", but rather pursued and captured or killed the people responsible, and we have thwarted literally hundreds of planned attacks in the decade since with aggressive counter-terrorist policies. Their lack of success at killing large numbers of innocent Americans has not been for lack of trying. Ask GoTribe31 if you have any doubts about that.


Of which I have no doubt.

Just pointing out that homemade bombs are easy to make (especially if you are trained to make them) and easily planted - if someone wants to do this and doesn't care if they're caught, it's almost impossible to stop. So if this was al Queda's backup plan to other thwarted terrorist attempts, then it seems to me they would've put it into action a helluva long time before now. To me, this reeks of lone gunman rather than coordinated foreign attack.
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby peeker643 » Thu Apr 18, 2013 4:16 pm

The numbers killed, while sad, are not the point.

There were "only" 3,000 dead in the coordinated attacks on multiple, populated US cities. That's a drop in the bucket comparatively speaking, right.

What happened at the airport with the people singled out, what happens every single time someone gets on a plane (consciously or not) and what will now happen at the finish line of every road race and probably most sporting events in general, is the point.

To say "organized" islamic groups would be upset over the minimal number of fatalities, to me, is ridiculous in determining whether or not they were involved.

The affect of what was done goes way beyond the number dead. Much like it does in Iraq or Afghanistan whenever guys get in a humvee. The basic fact for many is that there's nowhere sacred and nowhere safe. Not a run, not business travel, not a fucking ball game with your kids.

And for many it's far scarier to think that that kind of damage to life, limb and property, but mostly to peace of mind, can be created by less than organized people with less than detailed and intricate plots, planes and equipment.

That makes the reactions immediately afterward that much more severe IMO.
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Not every attack motivated by the Koranic imperative to "fight the infidel" is something cooked up (sorry) by some central authority of al Qaeda. Thankfully, we have made "al Qaeda leader" into one of the most hazardous occupations in the world...not too many guys are raising their hands to be the next man so designated. They are exhorted to individual acts of this type by Islamist web sites and by radical clerics here in the U.S. or overseas (as the Ft Hood shooter was...as the Detroit "shoe bomber" Reid was...as the Times Square bombing attempt was...etc)
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Unread postby peeker643 » Thu Apr 18, 2013 4:29 pm

BTW, I have this narrowed down to Islamists or Militia Monkeys. I have zero evidence to support that either were involved.

I probably should be casting a wider net to include Interpretive Dance majors, PGA professionals and Wal-Mart greeters.
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That's the worst part about a bomb, it takes almost no skill to make a device that can kill and maim scores of people.
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

Unread postby Hikohadon » Thu Apr 18, 2013 4:34 pm

peeker643 wrote:The numbers killed, while sad, are not the point.

There were "only" 3,000 dead in the coordinated attacks on multiple, populated US cities. That's a drop in the bucket comparatively speaking, right.

What happened at the airport with the people singled out, what happens every single time someone gets on a plane (consciously or not) and what will now happen at the finish line of every road race and probably most sporting events in general, is the point.

To say "organized" islamic groups would be upset over the minimal number of fatalities, to me, is ridiculous in determining whether or not they were involved.

The affect of what was done goes way beyond the number dead. Much like it does in Iraq or Afghanistan whenever guys get in a humvee. The basic fact for many is that there's nowhere sacred and nowhere safe. Not a run, not business travel, not a fucking ball game with your kids.

And for many it's far scarier to think that that kind of damage to life, limb and property, but mostly to peace of mind, can be created by less than organized people with less than detailed and intricate plots, planes and equipment.

That makes the reactions immediately afterward that much more severe IMO.


And as I said before, if their goal is not for a big event but rather to sow a sense of danger and unease in the American public, then they would do something as easy to pull off as this a lot more frequently and it wouldn't take them 12 years to start.

Now, if these types of bombings become commonplace in cities across the nation, then I can agree that this may have been the beginning of terror campaign to do exactly what you describe. It would make sense to me that if they were indeed trying to sow "terror" in the population they would've claimed responsibility by now. There's obviously a faction of people that will assume Islamic fundamentalists no matter what, but I think there's also a large chunk of people that figure the occasional (every 5-10 years) homemade bomb isn't worth getting scared over.

Because as dramatic as you want to make it sound, people in Wisconsin will forget about this by May.
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Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Thu Apr 18, 2013 4:35 pm

peeker643 wrote:BTW, I have this narrowed down to Islamists or Militia Monkeys. I have zero evidence to support that either were involved.

I probably should be casting a wider net to include Interpretive Dance majors, PGA professionals and Wal-Mart greeters.


It was the US government. You dumb Zionist supporting blind sheep. I bet you work for the Illuminati, don't you? Probably in their chem trail deployment sector, or maybe you're in catering.

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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

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Hikohadon wrote:
peeker643 wrote:The numbers killed, while sad, are not the point.

There were "only" 3,000 dead in the coordinated attacks on multiple, populated US cities. That's a drop in the bucket comparatively speaking, right.

What happened at the airport with the people singled out, what happens every single time someone gets on a plane (consciously or not) and what will now happen at the finish line of every road race and probably most sporting events in general, is the point.

To say "organized" islamic groups would be upset over the minimal number of fatalities, to me, is ridiculous in determining whether or not they were involved.

The affect of what was done goes way beyond the number dead. Much like it does in Iraq or Afghanistan whenever guys get in a humvee. The basic fact for many is that there's nowhere sacred and nowhere safe. Not a run, not business travel, not a fucking ball game with your kids.

And for many it's far scarier to think that that kind of damage to life, limb and property, but mostly to peace of mind, can be created by less than organized people with less than detailed and intricate plots, planes and equipment.

That makes the reactions immediately afterward that much more severe IMO.


And as I said before, if their goal is not for a big event but rather to sow a sense of danger and unease in the American public, then they would do something as easy to pull off as this a lot more frequently and it wouldn't take them 12 years to start.

Now, if these types of bombings become commonplace in cities across the nation, then I can agree that this may have been the beginning of terror campaign to do exactly what you describe. It would make sense to me that if they were indeed trying to sow "terror" in the population they would've claimed responsibility by now. There's obviously a faction of people that will assume Islamic fundamentalists no matter what, but I think there's also a large chunk of people that figure the occasional (every 5-10 years) homemade bomb isn't worth getting scared over.

Because as dramatic as you want to make it sound, people in Wisconsin will forget about this by May.


Disagree.

When it happens at a Packer game, or Badger game or in Lincoln, NE at a Cornhusker game (and it will, I would bet you my liver for yours when one of us inevitably needs one, that it will happen at a college/professional event sooner rather than later) then I guess we'll see. And it won't matter then that it was Billy Joe Smith, a kid with a McVeigh picture under his pillow or Assad Al Goatfuck, an auto worker from Dearborn Heights.

Won't matter about the number of casualties/fatalities either. Some will respond irrationally and some won't. Perhaps we can just apologize now??
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Re: Explosion at the Boston Marathon

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I'm struck by how most of the talk of Boston has disappeared from my Twitter timeline today, compared to the feeding frenzy that was going on yesterday with the "they've made an arrest...oh, no they haven't" commotion. I admit I haven't been glued to Twitter today like I was yesterday, but that's my impression...

I hope some media outlets learned some valuable lessons yesterday with their screw-ups, retractions and badly sourced "breaking news" reports. Maybe that's part of the reason things are quieter today. That, and the FBI keeping a very low profile. Have I missed something consequential today by being, you know...at work?
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