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Home Opener 4/8: Tribe vs. Yankees

Unread postby peeker643 » Mon Apr 08, 2013 10:45 am

Started the season with a win so I figure I'll start off the home portion of the schedule with a win as well.

Someone post lineups when available as I'm headed down there in a bit with the oldest daughter.
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Re: Home Opener 4/8: Tribe vs. Yankees

Unread postby skatingtripods » Mon Apr 08, 2013 10:59 am

Like a kid on Christmas...

Man, I missed the Jake.

Hope the rain stays away, but I'll stand through a monsoon as long as we win.
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Re: Home Opener 4/8: Tribe vs. Yankees

Unread postby Adverb Harry » Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:30 am

I just hate that the home opener--always a sellout--features the Yankees, who, if not a sell-out, at least draw larger than normal crowds than the other teams do. It's a shame we won't get that double-dose of revenue, but hopefully the Tribe plays well enough that it draws better than it has the past few years to help make up for it.

Plus, at least a sell-out crowd will drown out the Yankee fans in attendance. Man, I hate those guys. Mid-season, I swear they outnumber the Indians fans in attendance.
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Re: Home Opener 4/8: Tribe vs. Yankees

Unread postby Am I Here Again? » Mon Apr 08, 2013 12:53 pm

Adverb Harry wrote:...Plus, at least a sell-out crowd will drown out the Yankee fans in attendance. Man, I hate those guys. Mid-season, I swear they outnumber the Indians fans in attendance.

Hah, maybe not this year? We'll see as the season progresses but I'm still laughing over the part that the vaunted Skankees have padded their roster with Tribe cast-offs. Just hoping it doesn't come back and bite us this week. Image I have a very disgusting skankee fan who lives across the street from us. Hope I can point and laugh at him this year like he did to me the end of the season in 2005...

Heading out to do my little volunteer stint early today. Supposed to be there from 3-5 but I want to be home by 3:30. What are they gonna do, fire me??? :salute:
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Re: Home Opener 4/8: Tribe vs. Yankees

Unread postby dazindiansfanuk » Mon Apr 08, 2013 3:19 pm

CF Gardner
2B Cano
3B Youkilis
DH Hafner
LF Wells
RF Suzuki
SS Nunez
1B Overbay
C Stewart

RHP Kuroda


CF Bourn
SS Cabrera
2B Kipnis
1B Swisher
LF Brantley
C Santana
DH Reynolds
3B Chisenhall
RF Stubbs

RHP Jimenez
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Re: Home Opener 4/8: Tribe vs. Yankees

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Mon Apr 08, 2013 4:01 pm

Let's do this.
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Re: Home Opener 4/8: Tribe vs. Yankees

Unread postby Adverb Harry » Mon Apr 08, 2013 4:16 pm

Ubaldo looks to be in mid season form already.
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Re: Home Opener 4/8: Tribe vs. Yankees

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Mon Apr 08, 2013 4:16 pm

LOL.........

I knew it.

Meatball special from Ubaldo today.
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Re: Home Opener 4/8: Tribe vs. Yankees

Unread postby RedDawg53 » Mon Apr 08, 2013 4:16 pm

Something tells me the Indians' starting lineups total payroll is higher than the Yankees..
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Re: Home Opener 4/8: Tribe vs. Yankees

Unread postby RedDawg53 » Mon Apr 08, 2013 4:17 pm

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:LOL.........

I knew it.

Meatball special from Ubaldo today.


I knew it too... time to burn my Pronk jersey
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Re: Home Opener 4/8: Tribe vs. Yankees

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Mon Apr 08, 2013 4:17 pm

"I think you can go get him now."
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Re: Home Opener 4/8: Tribe vs. Yankees

Unread postby Adverb Harry » Mon Apr 08, 2013 4:18 pm

Way to take the crowd out of it early, you putz.
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Re: Home Opener 4/8: Tribe vs. Yankees

Unread postby CAVSTRIBEBROWNSin07! » Mon Apr 08, 2013 4:19 pm

PRONK SMASH! Oh wait...
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Re: Home Opener 4/8: Tribe vs. Yankees

Unread postby Am I Here Again? » Mon Apr 08, 2013 4:29 pm

Am I Here Again? wrote:...I'm still laughing over the part that the vaunted Skankees have padded their roster with Tribe cast-offs. Just hoping it doesn't come back and bite us this week. Image...

And just like that, Pronk takes the first bite. :thud: I had just said to Mr. Wonderful "Pronk at the plate. Watch him hit a three-run home" and *blam!* out it went. Keeping quiet for the rest of the game...Image
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Re: Home Opener 4/8: Tribe vs. Yankees

Unread postby Am I Here Again? » Mon Apr 08, 2013 4:31 pm

Please Dear Baseball God: Let Kinpis walk and let Swish hit one out! Please???!!!
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Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Mon Apr 08, 2013 4:37 pm

What a goofy game.
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Re: Home Opener 4/8: Tribe vs. Yankees

Unread postby Squints » Mon Apr 08, 2013 4:43 pm

Settle in, this may take awhile.
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Re: Home Opener 4/8: Tribe vs. Yankees

Unread postby RedDawg53 » Mon Apr 08, 2013 4:45 pm

:pop: :pop: :pop: :pop: :pop:
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Re: Home Opener 4/8: Tribe vs. Yankees

Unread postby dazindiansfanuk » Mon Apr 08, 2013 4:49 pm

This is gonna be a looooooooooooooong game!
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Re: Home Opener 4/8: Tribe vs. Yankees

Unread postby T_N_T » Mon Apr 08, 2013 5:04 pm

We are getting the YES feed on MLB Network. Anybody see they sent their version of Katie Witham instead OUR stands? You would think we are in the Bronx.....
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Re: Home Opener 4/8: Tribe vs. Yankees

Unread postby dazindiansfanuk » Mon Apr 08, 2013 5:29 pm

Ah.... should've knocked Kuroda out of the game by now.... he's got nothing.

The same can be said for Ubaldo.

Great defensive stab by Kuroda though on Brantley to stop the Tribe from at least tying the game.
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Re: Home Opener 4/8: Tribe vs. Yankees

Unread postby 7foot3 » Mon Apr 08, 2013 5:30 pm

Adverb Harry wrote:I just hate that the home opener--always a sellout--features the Yankees, who, if not a sell-out, at least draw larger than normal crowds than the other teams do. It's a shame we won't get that double-dose of revenue


But games 2, 3, and 4 would probably see sub 10k crowds without the Yankees in town. I expect they'll see enough extra fans over the next three days to more than make up for it.
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Re: Home Opener 4/8: Tribe vs. Yankees

Unread postby motherscratcher » Mon Apr 08, 2013 5:56 pm

What kind of reception did Pronk get?
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Re: Home Opener 4/8: Tribe vs. Yankees

Unread postby dazindiansfanuk » Mon Apr 08, 2013 5:57 pm

motherscratcher wrote:What kind of reception did Pronk get?


Apparently cheers during pre-game introductions, but boos first time up in the game.
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Re: Home Opener 4/8: Tribe vs. Yankees

Unread postby dazindiansfanuk » Mon Apr 08, 2013 5:58 pm

What a pile of junk Ubaldo was throwing up there today.

80%+ off-speed and a fastball that topped out at 89mph..... just putrid.
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Re: Home Opener 4/8: Tribe vs. Yankees

Unread postby T_N_T » Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:02 pm

This is just...disgusting

Inconsistency is idiotic.
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Re: Home Opener 4/8: Tribe vs. Yankees

Unread postby dazindiansfanuk » Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:46 pm

This got ugly in a hurry..... no wait, not a hurry.... this game is sloooow and ugly!
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Re: Home Opener 4/8: Tribe vs. Yankees

Unread postby Adverb Harry » Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:47 pm

I hate Ubaldo. Even if he gets it together for a consistent stretch (more than one start in a row, which he won't, anyway), I'll still hate him.
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Re: Home Opener 4/8: Tribe vs. Yankees

Unread postby andrew6586 » Mon Apr 08, 2013 7:01 pm

Hamilton just made my day on the radio. When talking about how Boone Logan lost a cow milking contest, he said "maybe he didn't realize he was milking a steer".
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Re: Home Opener 4/8: Tribe vs. Yankees

Unread postby dazindiansfanuk » Mon Apr 08, 2013 7:38 pm

Can anyone explain why we didn't call up Yan Gomes for a couple of days as opposed to going with a 24-man roster?!

Doesn't seem to make any sense.

That doesn't look good for Carlos..... a 95mph fastball right off the wrist..... fuck!
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Re: Home Opener 4/8: Tribe vs. Yankees

Unread postby British_Pharaoh » Mon Apr 08, 2013 7:56 pm

The Yankees pitching is atrocious (OK ours isn't great either) and they are putting out an awful lineup at the moment

The manner of this loss is exasperating
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Re: Home Opener 4/8: Tribe vs. Yankees

Unread postby RedDawg53 » Mon Apr 08, 2013 8:41 pm

Ewwwww-Baldo ::doh::
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Re: Home Opener 4/8: Tribe vs. Yankees

Unread postby leadpipe » Mon Apr 08, 2013 9:08 pm

Every major league franchise times about 6 minor league affiliates.

The independant league.

All college squads Divisions 1 thru 4.

Select high school teams.

Former players just walkin around the country.

All of the above groups include guys that can throw 88-91 with little command. All guys capable of starting the 7-8-9 hitters of a line-up with 78 mph breaking balls to fall behind.

If this clown is in the rotation in May they're either stupid, stubborn or a combination of both. There ain't a guy on GGE takin' the stuff he has and makin' it work, No. Chance. As in Andy Marte's plate approach. No. Chance.

Wire to wire 5 ERA again - unless they yank him the hell out.
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Re: Home Opener 4/8: Tribe vs. Yankees

Unread postby pup » Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:19 am

Hey, I resemble that remark.
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Re: Home Opener 4/8: Tribe vs. Yankees

Unread postby peeker643 » Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:25 am

Ubaldo is pig shit.

Hold off on your "it's early" or "He's one of ours and we need to support him" bullshit.

He's pig-shit and as useless as that.

Does thaty mean he won't get some outs some days or that they have any choice but run his useless out there and pay him? No.

But don't confuse the fact that their hnads are tied and they have to run him out there with him being effective or even salvageable.

It's not the same thing.

Worse guys have had better years. Cling to that shit for this season and pray someone (either him or another team) is actually stupid enough to pay him enough to get him out of here for next year.

Because as it currently stands, no one is touching him for the nominal amount he's making now. And that's really the greatest indicator of just how bad he is.
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Re: Home Opener 4/8: Tribe vs. Yankees

Unread postby British_Pharaoh » Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:06 pm

His off-speed and secondary stuff looked good but his fastball was sitting at 89 mph. He was at 93mph against a better lineup in Toronto and came through for the team. I just hope last night was a blip, but if 89mph is going to be the norm then scenes like last night will be the norm.
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Re: Home Opener 4/8: Tribe vs. Yankees

Unread postby peeker643 » Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:26 pm

British_Pharaoh wrote:His off-speed and secondary stuff looked good but his fastball was sitting at 89 mph. He was at 93mph against a better lineup in Toronto and came through for the team. I just hope last night was a blip, but if 89mph is going to be the norm then scenes like last night will be the norm.


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Unread postby pup » Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:37 pm

Besides the fact his best days used to be 95-98 and are now 91-93. Let's pretend that isn't a problem.

Now we have someone who is so blocked, either mentally or physically, that 5 days apart he goes from 93 to 89.

If you don't understand what makes these guys (MLBers) better than everyone else, it is pretty simple. They are creatures of habit and consistency. They do the same thing every day and expect to get the same results. Their mechanics are born of muscle memory built up through millions of repetitions. They can tweak when something feels wrong. They can adjust on the fly. Without thinking about it.

So, when one combines a physical problem and then complexes it by screwing up the one thing they can't screw up...you are fucked. As he is, and therefore we are.

There might be days that the planets line up perfectly and he is sitting at 93 with late movement. Those will be the exceptions. The rule will be yesterday. Sorry.

Listen to Tito talk about him. They understand the mechanics are a lost cause. So they spent all Spring Training trying to trick him into thinking he was Ubaldo.
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Re: Home Opener 4/8: Tribe vs. Yankees

Unread postby peeker643 » Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:48 pm

Not to mention his off-speed stuff "looks" better because guys are spitting on that and waiting for a fucking pumpkin at 88mph. And if he happens to drop two off speed pitches for strikes then... well... so what? He can't get a ball by them. They have to battle a bit more being down 0-2 but it sure as shit ain't be buried at 0-2 with no prayer against 2010 Ubaldo.

That guy is dead.

This guy blows.

Recognize and deal with it, I guess.
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Re: Home Opener 4/8: Tribe vs. Yankees

Unread postby bac5665 » Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:01 pm

Is there a rash of people arguing that 2010 Ubaldo is coming back? Does anyone here think that Francona and Antonetti expect 2010 Ubaldo?

We all know he's gone. It looks like a few people have decided to hope, but no one here expects. And I think no one in the FO expects anything either. But we'll have to see on that front.
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Re: Home Opener 4/8: Tribe vs. Yankees

Unread postby peeker643 » Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:17 pm

bac5665 wrote:Is there a rash of people arguing that 2010 Ubaldo is coming back?


I sat amongst about 35,000 such people yesterday.

My biggest issue with the guy is he still approaches the game like h'e's 2010 Ubaldo. He disgustingly let Stewart ( a freaking catcher ) steal a base yesterday without Sanana even being able to make a throw. Next ball is dropped into CF and it's 5-3.

Inexcusable.

You can argue that a guy like Tomlin throws no harder and that's true. But he controls the rest of the game, hits spots and lives on a thin margin for error.

Ubaldo won't adjust and do that or he's incapable of it.

Point being, if there's anything resembling another candidate for a rotation spot he needs to be afforded the opportunity regardless of the effect it has on Jimenez.

Sooner rather than later. And the Indians, more than us, need to recognize that.
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Re: Home Opener 4/8: Tribe vs. Yankees

Unread postby bac5665 » Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:51 pm

Peeks, fair enough.

I guess I just assume that when you rant about obvious things that your talking to us, rather than the people who don't read these forums.

But besides that, yes, you are absolutely right that the FO needs to keep Ubaldo on as short a leash as possible. He cannot pitch like he did yesterday in more than a few more starts and not be promptly sent down. At least Jeremy Sowers gave us two times through the batting order before becoming fungus.
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Re: Home Opener 4/8: Tribe vs. Yankees

Unread postby WiscTribeFan » Tue Apr 09, 2013 2:10 pm

bac5665 wrote:Is there a rash of people arguing that 2010 Ubaldo is coming back? Does anyone here think that Francona and Antonetti expect 2010 Ubaldo?

We all know he's gone. It looks like a few people have decided to hope, but no one here expects. And I think no one in the FO expects anything either. But we'll have to see on that front.


The fact that they bothered to pick up this year's $5.75M option on his contract means that the FO has some belief that he can be useful, despite all evidence to the contrary.

They should have cut bait with him. Instead we will watch him struggle with command all year long with no hope of them giving up on him. In for a penny, in for a pound...
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Re: Home Opener 4/8: Tribe vs. Yankees

Unread postby skatingtripods » Tue Apr 09, 2013 2:51 pm

peeker643 wrote:My biggest issue with the guy is he still approaches the game like h'e's 2010 Ubaldo. He disgustingly let Stewart ( a freaking catcher ) steal a base yesterday without Sanana even being able to make a throw. Next ball is dropped into CF and it's 5-3.

Inexcusable.


Bingo. I can live with getting rocked, a la Brett Myers, because it happens. That shit can't happen.

Let's put it this way. Pitch F/X was classifying some of Jimenez's FASTBALLS as changups in yesterday's start. And by some, I mean that Pitch F/X has Jimenez throwing 51 changeups out of 91 pitches. Max velo was 91.5 on his 11 classified four-seamers.

Three swings and misses. Had 11 against Toronto I believe.

He's beyond repair.

I'd send him down on the Ricky Romero path. Send him to Single-A. Try to salvage something by June/July, at least to the point where he can be an injury replacement. And if somebody claims him on waivers, say thank you.

Corey Kluber cannot be worse than this guy. Carrasco can take his spot when Kazmir comes back and Kluber can be your 6th starter. Bauer as a 7th and emergency option.
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Re: Home Opener 4/8: Tribe vs. Yankees

Unread postby skatingtripods » Tue Apr 09, 2013 2:55 pm

WiscTribeFan wrote:The fact that they bothered to pick up this year's $5.75M option on his contract means that the FO has some belief that he can be useful, despite all evidence to the contrary.

They should have cut bait with him. Instead we will watch him struggle with command all year long with no hope of them giving up on him. In for a penny, in for a pound...


I wonder if they simply wanted to give the new regime a chance to fix him. They hadn't signed Myers yet, weren't sure about Carrasco, and Tomlin was out for the year.

Now, it looks asinine. Then, it, sadly, looked like a no-brainer because they needed warm bodies in the rotation.
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Re: Home Opener 4/8: Tribe vs. Yankees

Unread postby RickNashEquilibrium » Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:59 pm

If anyone read the article regarding his transition from position player to pitcher it doesn't inspire a lot of confidence. He flat out says he didn't want to nor did he enjoy pitching. You simply never lose that mentality 100% after playing the game for so long. I'd take a Huff/Sowers/Tomlin/McCalister - guys who obviously want to compete and approach their job with a positive work ethic than Ubaldo. Everything he, as well as some of what Francona has said, is more or less a defeatist mentality. Pitcher is about the last fucking place I want someone with a woe is me attitude. Nut up, put the hours in and keep your focus. #2 might be hard because of muscle memory and his body not allowing him to get the velocity, but walks and horrible location is definitely part mental.
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