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Re: Browns Offseason Moves/Free Agency

Unread postby peeker643 » Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:36 pm

CAVSTRIBEBROWNSin07! wrote:AP murdered that thought process last year. I know he's a freak, but it shows how far we've come in terms of recovering from this particular injury.



That was ACL. Not Achilles tendon. I agree ACL procedures and injuries have becoe less career threatening and the rehab process and surgeries have made those quicker to return from.

But I'm not talking about those.
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Re: Browns Offseason Moves/Free Agency

Unread postby CAVSTRIBEBROWNSin07! » Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:40 pm

My bad. Here I call you out on what I perceived as total lack of knowledge of anything medical, and then I go and make an even more egregious mistake. My foot tastes delicious though.
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Re: Browns Offseason Moves/Free Agency

Unread postby peeker643 » Thu Mar 14, 2013 1:42 pm

Corners are getting cheaper as evidenced by Dunta Robinson deal. Lets get a couple Banbardi.
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Re: Browns Offseason Moves/Free Agency

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Re: Browns Offseason Moves/Free Agency

Unread postby Hikohadon » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:41 pm



Obviously it takes 2 to tango, but kinda surprised he didn't go to San Fran to rejoin Seeley. Not to mention legit chance at a championship.

Going to Arizona is like going from the Browns to the Browns (team wise).
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Re: Browns Offseason Moves/Free Agency

Unread postby jb » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:51 pm

Hikohadon wrote:


Obviously it takes 2 to tango, but kinda surprised he didn't go to San Fran to rejoin Seeley. Not to mention legit chance at a championship.

Going to Arizona is like going from the Browns to the Browns (team wise).



Shows he had a limited market.
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Re: Browns Offseason Moves/Free Agency

Unread postby TouchEmAllTime » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:53 pm

jb wrote:
Hikohadon wrote:


Obviously it takes 2 to tango, but kinda surprised he didn't go to San Fran to rejoin Seeley. Not to mention legit chance at a championship.

Going to Arizona is like going from the Browns to the Browns (team wise).



Shows he had a limited market.


But he did have the meme generator app on his phone.
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Re: Browns Offseason Moves/Free Agency

Unread postby peeker643 » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:57 pm

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Next CB deal likely done is in New Orleans. Saints are close to deal with Steelers free-agent CB Keenan Lewis that could be done today.
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Re: Browns Offseason Moves/Free Agency

Unread postby pod2dawg » Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:00 pm

Correct.

Age, genetics, repetitive stress, mech. of injury, steroids, and Cipro = tendon rupture.

He likely tore the achilles tendon he thrusts off more naturally....I hope. If not it's due.

I would assume the Brown's Medical people would be smart enough to do a thorough eval/work-up which would include BILATERAL MRI of his achilles. One would look for fibrosis or even early partial tears.

And in case they need anymore advice, the more distal ( closer to the heel bone) the tear, the more likely it will happen again.

You know what they say about assuming.
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Re: Browns Offseason Moves/Free Agency

Unread postby Nicastro13 » Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:16 pm

I read on twitter Cribbs wants more than Special teams money, which teams arent willing to pay, maybe AZ is?
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Re: Browns Offseason Moves/Free Agency

Unread postby Nicastro13 » Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:17 pm

peeker643 wrote:
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Next CB deal likely done is in New Orleans. Saints are close to deal with Steelers free-agent CB Keenan Lewis that could be done today.



CB market taking shape, hopefully we get in the game, we need 2
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Re: Browns Offseason Moves/Free Agency

Unread postby jb » Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:41 pm

Nicastro13 wrote:
peeker643 wrote:
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Next CB deal likely done is in New Orleans. Saints are close to deal with Steelers free-agent CB Keenan Lewis that could be done today.



CB market taking shape, hopefully we get in the game, we need 2


be curious to see how Bumble & Bumble respond. Will thry thorw money at Talib until theyget it done? Or revisit Ndamde?
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Re: Browns Offseason Moves/Free Agency

Unread postby CAVSTRIBEBROWNSin07! » Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:56 pm

Still tons of CBs out there. Grimes, Cason, Talib, and PacMan all interest me.
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Re: Browns Offseason Moves/Free Agency

Unread postby jb » Thu Mar 14, 2013 4:01 pm

<----- Would still darft the Honey badger in round 4.
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Re: Browns Offseason Moves/Free Agency

Unread postby CAVSTRIBEBROWNSin07! » Thu Mar 14, 2013 4:02 pm

jb wrote:<----- Would still darft the Honey badger in round 4.

Fine with that, but doesn't preclude signing 2 CBs.
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Re: Browns Offseason Moves/Free Agency

Unread postby Hikohadon » Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:15 pm

jb wrote:<----- Would still darft the Honey badger in round 4.


Assuming he's there.

If we are correct in assuming that they won't pick up any FA 30 or over or any FA with troubled histories, then the CB market shrinks noticeably.
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Re: Browns Offseason Moves/Free Agency

Unread postby justmebd » Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:58 pm

I've realized over the last few days that my offseason interest meter is stuck firmly in "Meh."

I have to see these guys win some games before I can start getting interested in any offseason moves.

That being said, I am a rube and will watch every minute of the draft. It is an excuse to drink adult beverages.
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Re: Browns Offseason Moves/Free Agency

Unread postby SoulDawg74 » Fri Mar 15, 2013 8:01 am

jb wrote:<----- Would still draft the Honey badger in round 4.


Think you'll have to shop in the third , after his 40 times and Dieon's assessment came in .

This kid has first round type play making talent with titanic off field baggage , he's shedding daily as we get closer to April.
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Re: Browns Offseason Moves/Free Agency

Unread postby Believeland » Fri Mar 15, 2013 8:32 am

How about Antoine Cason and the Capt? I am still in favor of drafting a pass rusher at #6, Dee Millner be damned.
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Re: Browns Offseason Moves/Free Agency

Unread postby Nicastro13 » Fri Mar 15, 2013 12:03 pm

I always liked cason, but I was hoping he's be more of the 3cb, so him and Capt would be redundant to me, obviously an upgrade, not what I was hoping for tho. Maybe Millner falls to six with the Geno, OT love, not sure I'd wanna bank on that, Still plemnty of names out there, and we do have money to spend, so its wait and see time.
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Re: Browns Offseason Moves/Free Agency

Unread postby pod2dawg » Fri Mar 15, 2013 8:34 pm

Come on Lombar....whatever....you started out strong......fading.......CB, CB, G, real TE.
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Re: Browns Offseason Moves/Free Agency

Unread postby peeker643 » Mon Mar 18, 2013 2:18 pm

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Re: Browns Offseason Moves/Free Agency

Unread postby mattvan1 » Tue Mar 19, 2013 2:22 pm

pup wrote:Desmond Bryant?


I'm not worried as this kina stuff happens all the time in Tennessee, so Jimmy can't get too upset.

MIAMI (AP) -- A Florida family claims in a lawsuit that they feared for their lives when Cleveland Browns defensive lineman Desmond Bryant allegedly showed up drunk and shirtless at their home, repeatedly banged on the front door and ripped off a door handle.

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Re: Browns Offseason Moves/Free Agency

Unread postby Hikohadon » Wed Mar 20, 2013 7:36 pm

mattvan1 wrote:
pup wrote:Desmond Bryant?


I'm not worried as this kina stuff happens all the time in Tennessee, so Jimmy can't get too upset.

MIAMI (AP) -- A Florida family claims in a lawsuit that they feared for their lives when Cleveland Browns defensive lineman Desmond Bryant allegedly showed up drunk and shirtless at their home, repeatedly banged on the front door and ripped off a door handle.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/browns-dl-desmond-bryant-sued-145728849--nfl.html

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Re: Browns Offseason Moves/Free Agency

Unread postby Govbarney » Fri Mar 22, 2013 1:02 pm

Browns sign former Bears TE Kellen Davis to a 1 yr contract, ship on Fred Davis must have sailed. Not crazy about this guy, he has a major problem with the dropsies, which is tough to un-coach.

Got to go out and get Grimes now, we land him , and I give Banner and Lombardi a solid '-A' in there first FA Period.
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Re: Browns Offseason Moves/Free Agency

Unread postby peeker643 » Fri Mar 22, 2013 10:24 pm

Govbarney wrote:Browns sign former Bears TE Kellen Davis to a 1 yr contract, ship on Fred Davis must have sailed. Not crazy about this guy, he has a major problem with the dropsies, which is tough to un-coach.

Got to go out and get Grimes now, we land him , and I give Banner and Lombardi a solid '-A' in there first FA Period.


Most excellent blocker, though. Need one (or ten) of those.
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Re: Browns Offseason Moves/Free Agency

Unread postby Hikohadon » Sat Mar 23, 2013 11:37 am

Browns sign CB Chris Owens from ATL, a 5'9 guy with 12 career starts that sounds like a nickel to me.
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Re: Browns Offseason Moves/Free Agency

Unread postby peeker643 » Sat Mar 23, 2013 1:59 pm

Hikohadon wrote:Browns sign CB Chris Owens from ATL, a 5'9 guy with 12 career starts that sounds like a nickel to me.


Yep. Another guy who plays the run really aggressively too. He's physical for 5'10, 180lbs.

Like him better than Skrine already ;-) ;) :wink:
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Re: Browns Offseason Moves/Free Agency

Unread postby pod2dawg » Sat Mar 23, 2013 2:06 pm

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Re: Browns Offseason Moves/Free Agency

Unread postby Govbarney » Sat Mar 23, 2013 4:25 pm

Owens is straight nickel/dime back, which means we still need someone to play opposit Haden.

I hear we are still strong on Grimes, and possibly the front runner.
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Re: Browns Offseason Moves/Free Agency

Unread postby peeker643 » Sat Mar 23, 2013 4:45 pm

Guy like Grimes walking the time-honored highway of " Do I wanna play with Browns or Dolphins for more money and fewer wins or do I wanna play for an actual team for what they're offering".

Because that's the situation in a nutshell.

Owner's market right now. In a big way. Grimes would be better served to see who comes outta draft with need for DBs so that he can swing some of that leverage he's lacking back in his favor.

ETA- Similar situation for Urlacher (although if Grimes is healthy he's a player and one wth a future). If Urlacher is waiting on some sort of lifetime appreciation salary offer from the Bears then maybe he has taken too many hits to the head.
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Re: Browns Offseason Moves/Free Agency

Unread postby peeker643 » Mon Mar 25, 2013 1:16 pm

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 41m As we speak, ex-#Cowboys LB Victor Butler is taking a physical in Cleveland. Lots of interest. But also took one for #Saints #staytuned


Stockpiling rush linebackers.

I like the philosophy. Gonna go with Horton's defense and you're gonna need guys like this littering your LB position.

Butler could always rush the passer. In fact, that's pretty much all he could ever do ;-) ;) :wink:

Hey, people wanted a plan and a philosophy. This one's pretty clear.
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Re: Browns Offseason Moves/Free Agency

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Mon Mar 25, 2013 1:22 pm

Real solid philosophy in a year where there is one really good position on the board, 3-4 rush OLB.

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Re: Browns Offseason Moves/Free Agency

Unread postby peeker643 » Mon Mar 25, 2013 2:46 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:Real solid philosophy in a year where there is one really good position on the board, 3-4 rush OLB.

GENO SMITH, COME ON DOWN!!!!


Still think they'll go get that guy in April. They're building depth with these other OLBs but not a single elite player amongst them. Including Kruger.

They don't have a single "scheme/situation irrelevant" OLB on this roster even with the signings.

Now, despite the talent at the position coming out in the draft, may well be they still don't see that scheme irrelevant star there either. Not when seemingly all of them have either injury concerns/experience issues at the position.

If they ID elite player at #6 they're gonna take him. Whether it's Milliner or someone else. Shit, I'd be thrilled if it was Warmack, JB be damned. If they don't see that elite guy at least the economics of the game will allow them to take a gamble on a guy like Smith. At least it wouldn't stun me if they did because it's no longer deathly expensive to take your chance on a position you absolutely need. No more Bradford money being locked up on these guys, even at #6.

Lastly, I said "if you wanted a plan and philosophy".

Bitch about the effectiveness but it's pretty clear what they're doing in acquiring Bryant and these OLBs.
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Re: Browns Offseason Moves/Free Agency

Unread postby peeker643 » Mon Mar 25, 2013 3:00 pm

BTW, I think when the hype machine is finished, and because of the cheap prices associated with picks under this new CBA, Smith, Barkley and Manuel are all gone in RD1 and you could see guys like Glennon, Bray, Nassib and Wilson all be gone by the end of round two.

Just watch. It happens every year.

Wouldn't shock me if J'Ville took Smith (though I think they wait one more year) and the three teams behind the Browns are all desperate for a QB too.
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Re: Browns Offseason Moves/Free Agency

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill 2.0 » Mon Mar 25, 2013 4:11 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:Real solid philosophy in a year where there is one really good position on the board, 3-4 rush OLB.

GENO SMITH, COME ON DOWN!!!!


Heh...why not?

The dumb fucks picke Kreuger over Dumerville and you just know in your heart Ozzie is right

Might as well pick the worst QB in the bunch with #6 for the cherry on top

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Re: Browns Offseason Moves/Free Agency

Unread postby pup » Mon Mar 25, 2013 4:15 pm

Fire Marshall Bill 2.0 wrote:
e0y2e3 wrote:Real solid philosophy in a year where there is one really good position on the board, 3-4 rush OLB.

GENO SMITH, COME ON DOWN!!!!


Heh...why not?

The dumb fucks picke Kreuger over Dumerville and you just know in your heart Ozzie is right

Might as well pick the worst QB in the bunch with #6 for the cherry on top

Stupid fucking browns


Right, because it was an either or at the time.
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Re: Browns Offseason Moves/Free Agency

Unread postby Madre Hill, Superstar » Mon Mar 25, 2013 5:07 pm

Fire Marshall Bill 2.0 wrote:The dumb fucks picke Kreuger over Dumerville and you just know in your heart Ozzie is right


Because everyone saw the Donks and Dumerville's agent screwing up the re-up.

And I'm wondering if they don't get a trade down they just say 'f- it' and grab Manuel with #6.
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Re: Browns Offseason Moves/Free Agency

Unread postby leadpipe » Mon Mar 25, 2013 7:08 pm

Hell, if you're a QB that has a quality that might allow you to stumble upon success, you're going to get drafted early. Christ, what slot did the big, dumb, immobile senior citizen get drafted in last year. We can laugh at Glennon all we want (and I don't want him) but he's a more attractive option then Weeden was last year.

And a guy with Manuel's natural skills ain't slippin too far down the first round - especially on the backs of what young athletes did at that position last year.
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Re: Browns Offseason Moves/Free Agency

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Re: Browns Offseason Moves/Free Agency

Unread postby Madre Hill, Superstar » Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:06 pm



Does Lombardi get to drop a diminishing skills reset on McCoy or will it be up to Banner to show him the door?
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Re: Browns Offseason Moves/Free Agency

Unread postby Govbarney » Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:52 am

You can do allot worse then Mr. Jason Campbell, and if this "QB competition" is based which guy gives us the best opportunity to win day 1, then I expect him to be the starter. As for odd man out I wouldn't be shocked if its Weeds,over Colt only because they can probably get more in return for him. Thad Lewis is also finished.
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Re: Browns Offseason Moves/Free Agency

Unread postby jerryroche » Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:35 am

Jason Campbell = Johnny Damon
Simplistic, yes. But more signs point to it being true rather than false, starting with a team's need to fill a slot where management feels there isn't a better option available. Older than Weeden, but more experienced.

Campbell's last significant season: 2010, 2,387 yards, 59.0%, 13 TD, 8 int, 9 fumbles, 84.5 rating
Weeden's only full season: 2012, 3,385 yards, 57.4%, 14 TD, 17 int, 2 fumbles, 72.6 rating

If Weeden gets the chance, in an offense more tailored to his skill set, with a year of experience under his belt, I see his int% going down and his completion % going up. But that's just me. I thought Brady Quinn was the second coming of Jesus, too.
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Re: Browns Offseason Moves/Free Agency

Unread postby Madre Hill, Superstar » Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:49 am

Campbell's JAG. But he's been better than McCoy and he gives you a Veteran Presence(tm) for Weeds and/or a draft pick to be named later.
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Re: Browns Offseason Moves/Free Agency

Unread postby googleeph2 » Wed Mar 27, 2013 10:11 am

Nice article by Gary Benz on dead money. Several points I found interesting.
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Re: Browns Offseason Moves/Free Agency

Unread postby Big Money Player » Wed Mar 27, 2013 10:57 am

You boys CANNOT be serious about one Jason Campell! He's a career turd and if he even nudges Weeden, than Weeden is far worse than anyone ever stated on this board...

You can do worse than Campell...I suppose so, but that's only if you throw ME in the mix to push Weeden...

Going back to sleep now, wake me up if someone with a good football head on their shoulders ever runs this team...
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Re: Browns Offseason Moves/Free Agency

Unread postby peeker643 » Wed Mar 27, 2013 10:59 am

Jason Campbell is crap on a cracker. And yet he's not dead money to be starting Opening Day.

That's important to note.
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Re: Browns Offseason Moves/Free Agency

Unread postby Big Money Player » Wed Mar 27, 2013 11:17 am

peeker643 wrote:Jason Campbell is crap on a cracker. And yet he's not dead money to be starting Opening Day.

That's important to note.


Duly noted... :cheers: :cheers:
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Re: Browns Offseason Moves/Free Agency

Unread postby peeker643 » Wed Mar 27, 2013 12:16 pm

Big Money Player wrote:
peeker643 wrote:Jason Campbell is crap on a cracker. And yet he's not dead money to be starting Opening Day.

That's important to note.


Duly noted... :cheers: :cheers:


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Re: Browns Offseason Moves/Free Agency

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill 2.0 » Wed Mar 27, 2013 5:52 pm

Madre Hill, Superstar wrote:
Fire Marshall Bill 2.0 wrote:The dumb fucks picke Kreuger over Dumerville and you just know in your heart Ozzie is right


Because everyone saw the Donks and Dumerville's agent screwing up the re-up.

And I'm wondering if they don't get a trade down they just say 'f- it' and grab Manuel with #6.


Heh...shows how much I've been caring or paying attention... shrug

...and I'm just as excited about Campbell (cache)

Its hard to care when the odds suggest I'll be dead before the Browns win
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