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Unread postby Hikohadon » Thu Feb 07, 2013 7:51 pm

Here are who some mocks have the Browns taking:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/news/20130124/2013-nfl-mock-draft-1/

1. KC - Luke Joeckel
2. JAX - Bjoern Werner
3. OAK - Damontre Moore
4. PHI - Geno Smith
5. DET - Jarvis Jones
6. CLE - Dee Milliner - CB - Alabama
The ex-Crimson Tide product is the cleanest cornerback on the board, with a physical style of play and the ability to both tackle and pitch in on run defense. The idea of teaming Milliner with Cleveland's other first-round cornerback, the gifted Joe Haden, is an early draft scenario that's already quite popular in northeast Ohio.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/mock

Rob Rang
1. KC - Geno Smith
2. JAX - Damontre Moore
3. OAK - Bjoern Werner
4. PHI - Luke Joeckel
5. DET - Barkevious Mingo
6. CLE - Jarvis Jones - OLB - Georgia

Dane Brugler
1. KC - Geno Smith
2. JAX - Bjoern Werner
3. OAK - Star Lotulelei
4. PHI - Luke Joeckel
5. DET - Damontre Moore
6. CLE - Dee Milliner - CB - Alabama

http://walterfootball.com/draft2013.php
1. KC - Geno Smith
2. JAX - Star Lotelelei
3. OAK - Damontre Moore
4. PHI - Luke Joeckel
5. DET - Bjoern Werner
6. CLE - Ezekiel Ansah - DE/OLB - BYU
The Browns have to find a franchise quarterback to compete for the AFC North. There are none worth taking here, however - I could be wrong, but I think I remember hearing Michael Lombardi say there was no quarterback worth taking early this year - but that's OK because they need to improve their pass rush as well. Jabaal Sheard led the team in sacks with only seven. Juqua Parker-Thomas was next with six, and he'll be a 35-year-old free agent this offseason.

It was very close for me between Ezekiel Ansah and Barkevious Mingo, but I thought about it and the former makes more sense from a scheme perspective. Lombardi learned from Bill Parcells and Bill Belichick, who both prefer larger rush linebackers. Ansah (274 pounds) dwarfs Mingo (240). He was also more productive this past season and possesses more upside, so why not Ansah?

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/mock-drafts/gil-brandt/155116

1. KC - Luke Joeckel
2. JAX - Bjoern Werner
3. OAK - Geno Smith
4. PHI - Chance Warmack
5. DET - Dee Milliner
6. CLE - Damontre Moore - DE - Texas A&M
The Browns need a pass rusher, so they go with the best one left on the board in Moore, who offers a ton of upside.

http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/2013/2013-nfl-mock-draft.cfm?writer=37

1. KC - Geno Smith
2. JAX - Star Lotulelei
3. OAK - Bjoern Werner
4. PHI - Luke Joeckel
5. DET - Damontre Moore
6. CLE - Dion Jordan - DE - Oregon
The pass rush could use a play maker (middle of the pack with 38 sacks in 2012). Jabaal Sheard led the team in sacks with only seven. Bolstering the interior of the offensive line is also an area need to address in order to build their offense around Trent Richardson.

http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/2013/2013-nfl-mock-draft.cfm?writer=10

1. KC - Luke Joeckel
2. JAX - Bjoern Werner
3. OAK - Star Lotulelei
4. PHI - Dee Milliner
5. DET - Damontre Moore
6. CLE - Jarvis Jones - OLB - Georgia

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Re: Mock Drafts

Unread postby peeker643 » Thu Feb 07, 2013 8:13 pm

Ziggy Ansah is the intriguing guy in that group.

Only one real year at BYU, but dude is a 6'6", 270lb guy who can legitimately play either DE or OLB because he's faster than shit.

He's raw though. He could be feast or famine. I could see guys who fancy themselves smarter than the average bear making that pick. Not saying it wouldn't work out and maybe be great, but raw is raw and after physical ability he doesn't have technique to get by on. Not worried about his lack of stamina that people talk about because that can be trained into him.

He's really a freak and I'd be fine if they went that route. He's not getting out of the first round but #6 would be going out on a pretty big limb.

He's also 23 or 24 years old already, depending who you believe.
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Re: Mock Drafts

Unread postby motherscratcher » Thu Feb 07, 2013 8:23 pm

Who the hell is Juqua Parker-Thomas?
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Re: Mock Drafts

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Thu Feb 07, 2013 8:35 pm

Anytime you can draft a guy with 4.5 a half career sacks....
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Re: Mock Drafts

Unread postby peeker643 » Thu Feb 07, 2013 8:48 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:Anytime you can draft a guy with 4.5 a half career sacks....


Only numbers that are gonna matter for that cat are 6'6, 270lbs and his 40-. I'm telling ya that now.

Not saying he's the guy this team needs at #6 as somewhere mid first is probably right, but he ain't getting by some very smart team that will take those 4 1/2 sacks and not give a shit.

If I'm making the pick I'd really, REALLY prefer more of a sure thing. This team can't afford to miss again.
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Re: Mock Drafts

Unread postby leadpipe » Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:27 pm

Geno Smith projected #1?

Any of these guys watch football?
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Re: Mock Drafts

Unread postby bookelly » Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:58 pm

There needs to be some metric where guys who do mock drafts get graded not only on the accuracy of their drafts, but the actual effectiveness of their high ranked players over the years.

Because otherwise; it's just fools who strut and fret themselves upon the stage, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
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Re: Mock Drafts

Unread postby Hikohadon » Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:10 am

bookelly wrote:There needs to be some metric where guys who do mock drafts get graded not only on the accuracy of their drafts, but the actual effectiveness of their high ranked players over the years.

Because otherwise; it's just fools who strut and fret themselves upon the stage, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.


Can these guys not predict who the teams will pick without agreeing with said picks? If you look at some of their boards/player rankings, they are much different than where they predict the players to be taken.

For instance, I don't think anyone has Geno Smith as the best player available in the draft, but no one would be shocked to see KC take him anyway. If Al Davis were still alive, they'd have some physical phreak that can't play a lick of football going to him, and they'd probably be right.

I think they should be graded on the accuracy of their predictions, sure. But I don't think they should be responsible for the outcome of the players unless they were mocking how THEY would pick if they were each of the teams.
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Re: Mock Drafts

Unread postby bookelly » Fri Feb 08, 2013 6:49 am

Hikohadon wrote:
bookelly wrote:There needs to be some metric where guys who do mock drafts get graded not only on the accuracy of their drafts, but the actual effectiveness of their high ranked players over the years.

Because otherwise; it's just fools who strut and fret themselves upon the stage, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.


Can these guys not predict who the teams will pick without agreeing with said picks? If you look at some of their boards/player rankings, they are much different than where they predict the players to be taken.

For instance, I don't think anyone has Geno Smith as the best player available in the draft, but no one would be shocked to see KC take him anyway. If Al Davis were still alive, they'd have some physical phreak that can't play a lick of football going to him, and they'd probably be right.

I think they should be graded on the accuracy of their predictions, sure. But I don't think they should be responsible for the outcome of the players unless they were mocking how THEY would pick if they were each of the teams.


Fair enough. I just hope for a more perfect world where decisions and judgement are dictated by a compu

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Re: Mock Drafts

Unread postby Madre Hill, Superstar » Fri Feb 08, 2013 10:07 am

Hikohadon wrote:For instance, I don't think anyone has Geno Smith as the best player available in the draft, but no one would be shocked to see KC take him anyway.


I would. First pick of the new Reid era, I'm not entirely sure he'll want to attach his wagon to a question mark like Geno.

Now Oakland and Philadelphia on the other hand...
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Re: Mock Drafts

Unread postby scott » Fri Feb 08, 2013 10:37 am

Our biggest need (outside QB) lines up with the talent at the top of the draft. Browns should have the chance to pick from a few different impact outside rushers from their spot. Just about choosing the right one.
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Re: Mock Drafts

Unread postby scott » Fri Feb 08, 2013 10:39 am

bookelly wrote:
Hikohadon wrote:
bookelly wrote:There needs to be some metric where guys who do mock drafts get graded not only on the accuracy of their drafts, but the actual effectiveness of their high ranked players over the years.

Because otherwise; it's just fools who strut and fret themselves upon the stage, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.


Can these guys not predict who the teams will pick without agreeing with said picks? If you look at some of their boards/player rankings, they are much different than where they predict the players to be taken.

For instance, I don't think anyone has Geno Smith as the best player available in the draft, but no one would be shocked to see KC take him anyway. If Al Davis were still alive, they'd have some physical phreak that can't play a lick of football going to him, and they'd probably be right.

I think they should be graded on the accuracy of their predictions, sure. But I don't think they should be responsible for the outcome of the players unless they were mocking how THEY would pick if they were each of the teams.


Fair enough. I just hope for a more perfect world where decisions and judgement are dictated by a compu

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Some of the guys have two different lists. Kiper for one. Draft eligible player ratings and mock drafts. If someone wanted to bother studying the player ratings year over year it would be pretty easy to see if Kiper knows more than the average NFL GM/team draft expert or not.
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Re: Mock Drafts

Unread postby Gradysmanldy » Fri Feb 08, 2013 11:31 am

Agree that I want to see these guys get ranked both on who they mock (accuracy of pick, standard deviation of 3-4 spots) and how the players turn out. Make them sign their name beside "can't miss prospects" or "reach at that spot" over the long term.

I'm happy with Mingo, Ansah, or Moore; going to be furious if we waste #6 on a cornerback that nearly everyone agrees isn't nearly shutdown quality, when this team desperately needs front 7 help. Use FA to get the complimentary corner and safety help, continue to roll with what we have for depth, and get some freakish front 7 guys. Not every year that the draft is so stocked with them.
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Re: Mock Drafts

Unread postby Prosecutor » Fri Feb 08, 2013 11:48 am

bookelly wrote:There needs to be some metric where guys who do mock drafts get graded...

Because otherwise; it's just fools who strut and fret themselves upon the stage, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.


Being a strutting fool upon the stage is not a bad gig - those guys get paid pretty well just for having an opinion.

Actually, they do provide a service. Since I am not able to watch hundreds of college football games, it helps to have people with NFL contacts who can at least provide a list of the draftable players and a semi-accurate ranking of where they probably will go. It at least gives us some names to research and discuss if you're into that.

For example, I'm not a BYU fan and never heard of Ziggy Ansah. He sounds like Jason Pierre-Paul when he came out; an athletic freak who was considered a boom/bust prospect IIRC. With Horton's love for "big guys who can run" he might just be lobbying feverishly for him, 4.5 career sacks notwithstanding.
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Re: Mock Drafts

Unread postby CAVSTRIBEBROWNSin07! » Fri Feb 08, 2013 12:41 pm

Madre Hill, Superstar wrote:
Hikohadon wrote:For instance, I don't think anyone has Geno Smith as the best player available in the draft, but no one would be shocked to see KC take him anyway.


I would. First pick of the new Reid era, I'm not entirely sure he'll want to attach his wagon to a question mark like Geno.

Now Oakland and Philadelphia on the other hand...

I would be shocked as well. There's zero doubt in my mind that Reid will take a QB somewhere in this draft, but not at #1.
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Re: Mock Drafts

Unread postby peeker643 » Fri Feb 08, 2013 2:57 pm

Prosecutor wrote:
bookelly wrote:There needs to be some metric where guys who do mock drafts get graded...

Because otherwise; it's just fools who strut and fret themselves upon the stage, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.


Being a strutting fool upon the stage is not a bad gig - those guys get paid pretty well just for having an opinion.

Actually, they do provide a service. Since I am not able to watch hundreds of college football games, it helps to have people with NFL contacts who can at least provide a list of the draftable players and a semi-accurate ranking of where they probably will go. It at least gives us some names to research and discuss if you're into that.

For example, I'm not a BYU fan and never heard of Ziggy Ansah. He sounds like Jason Pierre-Paul when he came out; an athletic freak who was considered a boom/bust prospect IIRC. With Horton's love for "big guys who can run" he might just be lobbying feverishly for him, 4.5 career sacks notwithstanding.


Wish I got paid big bucks to have an opinion. I'd be Bill Gates ;-) ;) :wink: Funny you mention JPP because a couple sites I visit have JPP as well as Justin Tuck as NFL comps.
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Re: Mock Drafts

Unread postby Prosecutor » Fri Feb 08, 2013 4:09 pm

Peeks, I was just checking out Ansah at NFLDraftScout and they comped him to JPP.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/play ... kiel-ansah

The interesting part was how BYU moved him "all over the field" playing him at LB (all three positions), DE, and even nose tackle. Horton is going to love that. He mentioned doing the same thing with Jamaal Sheard next year.

They currently have him being drafted in the 15-19 range, but that could change with the Combine and individual workouts.

As much as Horton likes to blitz, this kind of player could be irresistable.

He never played football before coming to BYU from Ghana, so that kind of explains the 4.5 career sacks.
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Re: Mock Drafts

Unread postby Nicastro13 » Fri Feb 08, 2013 5:03 pm

Kiper has us taking Werner FSU and McShay has Mingo LSU

I'm personally hoping we go OLB in free agency and Millner Falls to us
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Re: Mock Drafts

Unread postby pup » Fri Feb 08, 2013 5:09 pm

One NFL personnel evaluator characterized BYU DE Ziggy Ansah as a "one-year wonder" and a "tweener."

"If a guy has length, some twitch and a motor, people think it’s Jason Pierre-Paul," the scout told Pro Football Weekly. "He ain’t. Otherwise, they wouldn’t align him inside so much. He’s a one-year wonder and a tweener. ... Put on the bowl game. He was getting pushed down the field and a ball was thrown at his chest and he intercepts it. He fell into it — he didn’t create it. That’s how he produced this year." Ansah is perhaps this year's most polarizing draft-eligible prospect.
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Re: Mock Drafts

Unread postby Hikohadon » Fri Feb 08, 2013 5:42 pm

Nicastro13 wrote:Kiper has us taking Werner FSU and McShay has Mingo LSU

I'm personally hoping we go OLB in free agency and Millner Falls to us


Are there any OLB's worth having in FA? I haven't checked yet.
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Re: Mock Drafts

Unread postby Prosecutor » Fri Feb 08, 2013 6:02 pm

Hikohadon wrote:
Nicastro13 wrote:Kiper has us taking Werner FSU and McShay has Mingo LSU

I'm personally hoping we go OLB in free agency and Millner Falls to us


Are there any OLB's worth having in FA? I haven't checked yet.


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Re: Mock Drafts

Unread postby Gradysmanldy » Fri Feb 08, 2013 6:03 pm

There's a grip of them. About 3-4 premium talents and then a half dozen Gocongs.
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Re: Mock Drafts

Unread postby Hikohadon » Fri Feb 08, 2013 6:43 pm

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/42077/309/nfl-free-agent-master-list-13?pg=3

Rush Linebackers

Paul Kruger
Anthony Spencer
Connor Barwin
Shaun Phillips
Victor Butler
Antwan Barnes
Bryan Thomas
Quentin Groves
Erik Walden
Shawne Merriman
Travis LaBoy
Chris Wilson
Jamaal Westerman


Yeah, there's some interesting ones there.
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Re: Mock Drafts

Unread postby peeker643 » Fri Feb 08, 2013 8:42 pm

pup wrote:
One NFL personnel evaluator characterized BYU DE Ziggy Ansah as a "one-year wonder" and a "tweener."

"If a guy has length, some twitch and a motor, people think it’s Jason Pierre-Paul," the scout told Pro Football Weekly. "He ain’t. Otherwise, they wouldn’t align him inside so much. He’s a one-year wonder and a tweener. ... Put on the bowl game. He was getting pushed down the field and a ball was thrown at his chest and he intercepts it. He fell into it — he didn’t create it. That’s how he produced this year." Ansah is perhaps this year's most polarizing draft-eligible prospect.



Not saying he's not. Just that 15-19 will be low when all is said and done. He's allegedly extremely coachable and that size and speed on display at the Combine are going to push him into top 12 IMO. Like I said, it would scare me some at #6, but the guy is a freak.

I also take anything any team or team personnel says about a guy from the day after SB to time they draft with a grain of salt. They're all lying about everything. ;-) ;) :wink:
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Re: Mock Drafts

Unread postby pup » Fri Feb 08, 2013 9:01 pm

Just adding the counter for the conversation (mooning)
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Re: Mock Drafts

Unread postby pod2dawg » Fri Feb 08, 2013 9:51 pm

If we stay at 6........my order of best available would be Moore, Werner, then debate between taking a chance on Jones' spinal stenosis vs. Miliner then Ringo... er I mean Wingo.*


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Re: Mock Drafts

Unread postby FUDU » Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:59 pm

leadpipe wrote:Geno Smith projected #1?

Any of these guys watch football?


But somebody needs to have dibs on the next RG3, even though RG3 really hasn't become RG3 just yet.
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Re: Mock Drafts

Unread postby leadpipe » Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:15 am

FUDU wrote:
leadpipe wrote:Geno Smith projected #1?

Any of these guys watch football?


But somebody needs to have dibs on the next RG3, even though RG3 really hasn't become RG3 just yet.


Except that Geno Smith reminds nobody of RG3.

He's more Weeden than RG3.

Seriously.
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Re: Mock Drafts

Unread postby justmebd » Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:35 am

leadpipe wrote:
FUDU wrote:
leadpipe wrote:Geno Smith projected #1?

Any of these guys watch football?


But somebody needs to have dibs on the next RG3, even though RG3 really hasn't become RG3 just yet.


Except that Geno Smith reminds nobody of RG3.

He's more Weeden than RG3.

Seriously.

How dare you insult Mike Holmgren's favorite QB on these very boards!!! Look at those stats . . . . no wait, look at that poise . . . no wait . . . Look at the . . . uhhh . . . Hey!! Look, A Squirrel!!!
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Unread postby Hikohadon » Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:27 am

FUDU wrote:
leadpipe wrote:Geno Smith projected #1?

Any of these guys watch football?


But somebody needs to have dibs on the next RG3, even though RG3 really hasn't become RG3 just yet.


If someone drafts him with the idea of the "next RG3" in mind, they haven't watched Geno play very much. He's more of a pocket passer.
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Re: Mock Drafts

Unread postby Hikohadon » Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:28 am

justmebd wrote:
leadpipe wrote:
FUDU wrote:
leadpipe wrote:Geno Smith projected #1?

Any of these guys watch football?


But somebody needs to have dibs on the next RG3, even though RG3 really hasn't become RG3 just yet.


Except that Geno Smith reminds nobody of RG3.

He's more Weeden than RG3.

Seriously.

How dare you insult Mike Holmgren's favorite QB on these very boards!!! Look at those stats . . . . no wait, look at that poise . . . no wait . . . Look at the . . . uhhh . . . Hey!! Look, A Squirrel!!!


That wasn't an insult, rather a statement that Geno isn't that mobile.
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Re: Mock Drafts

Unread postby Gradysmanldy » Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:53 am

Hikohadon wrote:
justmebd wrote:
leadpipe wrote:
FUDU wrote:
leadpipe wrote:Geno Smith projected #1?

Any of these guys watch football?


But somebody needs to have dibs on the next RG3, even though RG3 really hasn't become RG3 just yet.


Except that Geno Smith reminds nobody of RG3.

He's more Weeden than RG3.

Seriously.

How dare you insult Mike Holmgren's favorite QB on these very boards!!! Look at those stats . . . . no wait, look at that poise . . . no wait . . . Look at the . . . uhhh . . . Hey!! Look, A Squirrel!!!


That wasn't an insult, rather a statement that Geno isn't that mobile.


And he's really not good under pressure, and he's only played against weak sauce watered down Big 12 competition......god, i've heard all this before about some player, but I can't remember who.

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Re: Mock Drafts

Unread postby Hikohadon » Mon Feb 11, 2013 11:07 am

Yes, it would be hysterical if they took Geno Smith.
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Unread postby e0y2e3 » Mon Feb 11, 2013 11:49 am

Almost as hysterical as all the dufus' on here the see a black QB and compare him to RG3...
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e0y2e3 wrote:Almost as hysterical as all the dufus' on here the see a black QB and compare him to RG3...


This. He's night and day compared to RG3. I'd say he's more of a McNabb or Vick type. Also has some Doug Williams in him too. Not that any of those guys can play QB anyway.
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Unread postby e0y2e3 » Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:24 pm

I just want to know who stole Geno's extra calf muscle....
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e0y2e3 wrote:I just want to know who stole Geno's extra calf muscle....


Clearly, he's the victim of poor breeding.
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Unread postby Hikohadon » Thu Feb 14, 2013 3:20 pm

Finally watched some Ansah video today. Enticing, I can see why some would be willing to take the chance. Could be a real playmaker... if he can be taught to get off blocks better. Otherwise he'll get eaten alive in the NFL where he can power rush linemen into the backfield.

Because he has such limited football experience, there's certainly a chance that he could be taught that. But I don't know if a team like the Browns can afford such a boom-or-bust prospect at 6.
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Unread postby peeker643 » Thu Feb 14, 2013 4:27 pm

Hikohadon wrote:Finally watched some Ansah video today. Enticing, I can see why some would be willing to take the chance. Could be a real playmaker... if he can be taught to get off blocks better. Otherwise he'll get eaten alive in the NFL where he can power rush linemen into the backfield.

Because he has such limited football experience, there's certainly a chance that he could be taught that. But I don't know if a team like the Browns can afford such a boom-or-bust prospect at 6.



Exactly right. He's a freak. But at #6?.... ehhh....not sure I have the stomach for that risk there...

Reading more about him, interesting story, apparently a bright kid and also apparently extremely receptive to coaching and working. So if he busts, he busts working hard at it. Which will still be no consolation if he busts working hard at it in an orange helmet.
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Unread postby jb » Fri Feb 15, 2013 5:47 pm

peeker643 wrote:
Hikohadon wrote:Finally watched some Ansah video today. Enticing, I can see why some would be willing to take the chance. Could be a real playmaker... if he can be taught to get off blocks better. Otherwise he'll get eaten alive in the NFL where he can power rush linemen into the backfield.

Because he has such limited football experience, there's certainly a chance that he could be taught that. But I don't know if a team like the Browns can afford such a boom-or-bust prospect at 6.



Exactly right. He's a freak. But at #6?.... ehhh....not sure I have the stomach for that risk there...

Reading more about him, interesting story, apparently a bright kid and also apparently extremely receptive to coaching and working. So if he busts, he busts working hard at it. Which will still be no consolation if he busts working hard at it in an orange helmet.



Sounds like a football version of Tristan Thompson...
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Unread postby peeker643 » Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:57 pm

Or a football version of Chaun Thompson. ;-) ;) :wink:
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Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill 2.0 » Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:42 pm

Geno Smith = Almost Andre Ware
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Unread postby SoulDawg74 » Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:26 am

Hikohadon wrote:Here are who some mocks have the Browns taking:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/news/20130124/2013-nfl-mock-draft-1/

1. KC - Luke Joeckel
2. JAX - Bjoern Werner
3. OAK - Damontre Moore
4. PHI - Geno Smith
5. DET - Jarvis Jones
6. CLE - Dee Milliner - CB - Alabama
The ex-Crimson Tide product is the cleanest cornerback on the board, with a physical style of play and the ability to both tackle and pitch in on run defense. The idea of teaming Milliner with Cleveland's other first-round cornerback, the gifted Joe Haden, is an early draft scenario that's already quite popular in northeast Ohio.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/mock

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1. KC - Geno Smith
2. JAX - Damontre Moore
3. OAK - Bjoern Werner
4. PHI - Luke Joeckel
5. DET - Barkevious Mingo
6. CLE - Jarvis Jones - OLB - Georgia

Dane Brugler
1. KC - Geno Smith
2. JAX - Bjoern Werner
3. OAK - Star Lotulelei
4. PHI - Luke Joeckel
5. DET - Damontre Moore
6. CLE - Dee Milliner - CB - Alabama

http://walterfootball.com/draft2013.php
1. KC - Geno Smith
2. JAX - Star Lotelelei
3. OAK - Damontre Moore
4. PHI - Luke Joeckel
5. DET - Bjoern Werner
6. CLE - Ezekiel Ansah - DE/OLB - BYU
The Browns have to find a franchise quarterback to compete for the AFC North. There are none worth taking here, however - I could be wrong, but I think I remember hearing Michael Lombardi say there was no quarterback worth taking early this year - but that's OK because they need to improve their pass rush as well. Jabaal Sheard led the team in sacks with only seven. Juqua Parker-Thomas was next with six, and he'll be a 35-year-old free agent this offseason.

It was very close for me between Ezekiel Ansah and Barkevious Mingo, but I thought about it and the former makes more sense from a scheme perspective. Lombardi learned from Bill Parcells and Bill Belichick, who both prefer larger rush linebackers. Ansah (274 pounds) dwarfs Mingo (240). He was also more productive this past season and possesses more upside, so why not Ansah?

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/mock-drafts/gil-brandt/155116

1. KC - Luke Joeckel
2. JAX - Bjoern Werner
3. OAK - Geno Smith
4. PHI - Chance Warmack
5. DET - Dee Milliner
6. CLE - Damontre Moore - DE - Texas A&M
The Browns need a pass rusher, so they go with the best one left on the board in Moore, who offers a ton of upside.

http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/2013/2013-nfl-mock-draft.cfm?writer=37

1. KC - Geno Smith
2. JAX - Star Lotulelei
3. OAK - Bjoern Werner
4. PHI - Luke Joeckel
5. DET - Damontre Moore
6. CLE - Dion Jordan - DE - Oregon
The pass rush could use a play maker (middle of the pack with 38 sacks in 2012). Jabaal Sheard led the team in sacks with only seven. Bolstering the interior of the offensive line is also an area need to address in order to build their offense around Trent Richardson.

http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/2013/2013-nfl-mock-draft.cfm?writer=10

1. KC - Luke Joeckel
2. JAX - Bjoern Werner
3. OAK - Star Lotulelei
4. PHI - Dee Milliner
5. DET - Damontre Moore
6. CLE - Jarvis Jones - OLB - Georgia

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Unread postby jb » Mon Feb 18, 2013 1:06 pm

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d81f773b8/article/few-have-necessary-traits-to-draft-coach-quarterbacks

With that in mind, my money is on Mallett and Blaine Gabbert being the two to succeed. Each fits the criteria above and has the skill set to lead a team.

Only time will tell who is right.

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Kaepernick's lack of accuracy makes Locker look precise with the ball -- now that is a scary thought. Kaepernick will take some time to develop. Even when that happens, I am not sure he is a starter.

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Unread postby Hikohadon » Mon Feb 18, 2013 1:20 pm

^^
Scary as fuck.
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Hikohadon wrote:^^
Scary as fuck.



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Re: Mock Drafts

Unread postby danwismar » Mon Feb 18, 2013 4:05 pm

"Run the ball...stop the run" is dead.

Three things you need above all else:

1) The passer
2) the guys who protect the passer
3) the guys who rush the passer

As far as I can see, the Browns have #2 decently covered.

There doesn't appear to be an immediate solution to #1 available with the 6th pick.

So if they take anyone other than at least a partial solution to #3 in the first round, they're idiots. (and I know they need a solid corner and a solid safety REAL bad, but I don't see a #6-worthy pick there, so I'll stick with the statement)

I realize I haven't said anything here that isn't blindingly obvious...but isn't that what we do here?

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Unread postby jb » Mon Feb 18, 2013 4:22 pm

danwismar wrote:"Run the ball...stop the run" is dead.

Three things you need above all else:

1) The passer
2) the guys who protect the passer
3) the guys who rush the passer

As far as I can see, the Browns have #2 decently covered.

There doesn't appear to be an immediate solution to #1 available with the 6th pick.

So if they take anyone other than at least a partial solution to #3 in the first round, they're idiots. (and I know they need a solid corner and a solid safety REAL bad, but I don't see a #6-worthy pick there, so I'll stick with the statement)

I realize I haven't said anything here that isn't blindingly obvious...but isn't that what we do here?

BTW, I have every expectation that they'll fuck it up.



Danny - No huge disagreement here except I may nuance # 3.

I think there remians a bit iof symbiosis with rush and coverage even in today's glorfied 7 on 7.

The quality of the pass rushers needed varries a bit when you are talking strating corners of Old man Shelly and buster Buster and Haden and Millner. Not that this is 1985 and a great pair of CBs can run around with recievers for 5 seconds while the QB counts his "misissippi's", but if you assume 3 - 4 seconds before the sack you have to be able to reasonably cover, with the casveat that a Brees, Brady and Rogers can still kill yah with a back shoulder throw on occasion.

I am not very impressed by the pass rusher crop other than J Jones in a scheme, so there is no need to reach on one of these project guys or a Borg Warner to be your Chris Long.
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Unread postby danwismar » Mon Feb 18, 2013 4:49 pm

I like Milliner as much as the next guy, but I'm afraid they're going to "love" him into a #6 pick when he may not belong there, because they need a CB so bad.

I see several pass-rushers that will be there at 6 that make more sense to me...Moore, Werner among them
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Unread postby pod2dawg » Mon Feb 18, 2013 4:55 pm

jb wrote:
I am not very impressed by the pass rusher crop other than J Jones in a scheme, so there is no need to reach on one of these project guys or a Borg Warner to be your Chris Long.



Damontre Moore.

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