Cleveland Cavaliers & The NBA

by **British_Pharaoh** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:22 am

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/88680 ... ources-say

The Memphis Grizzlies have agreed to a multiplayer trade with the Cleveland Cavaliers, slicing more than $6 million off their payroll to get under the luxury tax threshold, league sources told ESPN.com.

A trade call to finalize the deal is scheduled for Tuesday.

The Grizzlies would send big man Marreese Speights, guard Wayne Ellington and guard Josh Selby to the Cavs for big man Jon Leuer. There are also believed to be a future draft pick involved in the deal.

Reducing payroll both short- and long-term has been a goal of the new Grizzlies ownership and led to other trade talks involving Rudy Gay and Zach Randolph over the past several weeks.

Speights averages 6.5 points and 4.7 rebounds as a key big man off the bench for the Grizzlies but makes $4.2 million this season and has a player option at $4.5 million for next season. The Grizzlies owe Gay, Randolph and Marc Gasol nearly $50 million alone next year.

Ellington is averaging 5.5 points in 40 games off the bench.

The Cavs were able to make the deal because they had more than $10 million in cap space in which to absorb Speights. That would likely mean the Grizzlies would receive a trade exception of more than $6 million that would be good for a year.

Selby has only played in 10 games this season, averaging two points. Leuer has played in nine games, averaging 2.4 points.

by **British_Pharaoh** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:23 am

So Boobie is gone before the deadline it seems.

by **peeker643** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:48 am

British_Pharaoh wrote:So Boobie is gone before the deadline it seems.

He probably strained his eyes reading about the trade and is out for 6 games.

by **Madre Hill, Superstar** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:55 am

peeker643 wrote:
British_Pharaoh wrote:So Boobie is gone before the deadline it seems.

He probably strained his eyes reading about the trade and is out for 6 games.

Are we sure we're running professional sports teams and not medical labs for the Cleveland Clinic?

by **swerb** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:05 pm

We can thank everyone who got a Quicken mortgage loan in 2012 for this trade. Takes some of the sting off that $1500 application fee for those people.

Outstanding deal though. No risk, potential reward. Speights is still young, talented, always put up great #'s per minute ... has never been able to secure minutes because he has the focus and defensive skills of a poor man's Drew Gooden.

by **Larvell Blanks** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:38 pm

swerb wrote:We can thank everyone who got a Quicken mortgage loan in 2012 for this trade. Takes some of the sting off that $1500 application fee for those people.

Outstanding deal though. No risk, potential reward. Speights is still young, talented, always put up great #'s per minute ... has never been able to secure minutes because he has the focus and defensive skills of a poor man's Drew Gooden.

Looking forward to watching passes tip off his fingers out of bounds or bounce 8 rows back off his head ala Drew!

by **motherscratcher** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:40 pm

Yeah, this sounds like a good deal, especially with a reported future 1st coming our way.

And we gave up nothing. They are saying we are trading someone named John Leuer, but I'm not sure I believe that any such person actually exists, especially with uber-prankster Ronniah Tuiasosopo running around.

You're going to have to do better than show me a picture of a guy with the name "Leuer" on the back to convince me.

by **pup** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:53 pm

Wait a minute. We are getting a 1st rounder? Thought we were shipping one.

by **peeker643** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:01 pm

pup wrote:Wait a minute. We are getting a 1st rounder? Thought we were shipping one.

Getting one by all accounts I've read. 2015 first as long as it's not in Top 5.

by **Mr. X** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:14 pm

Chris Herrington ‏@FlyerGrizBlog
Details on pick: Has to fall between 6-14 to change hands in 2015 or 2016. Top 5 protection in 2017 or 2018.

The draft pick going to Cleveland isn't eligible to exchange hands until at least 2015, with the following protections:
2015 and 2016 — must fall between picks 6 and 14 to be dealt
2017 and 2018 — Top 5 protected

by **dmiles** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:24 pm

Anyone tracking what future draft picks are stockpiled?

by **Gradysmanldy** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:28 pm

That trade is murder, with the pick. Need a bit of luck to make sure that the Grizz are picking in that range (which appears likely) but adding it for absolutely nothing of value makes this a steal for Grant.

ANYTHING you get from the 3 guys received is just gravy. Not having to watch Luke Walton's corpse anymore is the cherry on the murder-gravy sundae.

by **Gradysmanldy** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:30 pm

My thoughts exactly:

Angelo ‏@CavsFangelo
The Cavs turned a guy with a single digit PER into three rotation players & a lottery guaranteed pick. I'm stunned.

("Rotation" players here is only applicable because we have the worst bench in the league, and lottery only in the 5-15 range)

by **Madre Hill, Superstar** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:37 pm

How does it go? "Anytime you can turn three rotation parts and a first round pick into Jon Leuer, you gotta make that trade."

by **StewieG** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:01 pm

To be clear, this is not a guaranteed lottery pick. If it falls between 6 and 14 in either 2015 or 2016, we get it. In '17 and '18 we get it no matter where it is, unless it falls in the top 5. If, in some absurd scenario we don't get it until '19, we get it no matter what.

How hilarious would that be if we got the top overall pick in 2019 for Jon Leuer?

by **pup** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:06 pm

Madre Hill, Superstar wrote:How does it go? "Anytime you can turn three rotation parts and a first round pick into Jon Leuer, and not be forced to give up Rudy Gay to get under the luxury tax threshold you gotta make that trade."

by **jerryroche** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:09 pm

What's not to like about Chris Grant's newest move? At this point, every little bit helps, even if it's players with a hint of potential and another future draft pick.

Hell, I'm even starting to forgive Grant for picking TT #4 — and I can't figure out whether it's because of loyalty or simple malaise.

by **CAVSTRIBEBROWNSin07!** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:18 pm

jerryroche wrote:Hell, I'm even starting to forgive Grant for picking TT #4 — and I can't figure out whether it's because of loyalty or simple malaise.

Its because you're looking at box scores instead of watching the games. Not that I blame you.

by **Gradysmanldy** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:20 pm

Madre Hill, Superstar wrote:How does it go? "Anytime you can turn three rotation parts and a first round pick into Jon Leuer, you gotta make that trade."

No idea how it goes in reverse, i've never done that before. Excusing the Larry Hughes trade.

by **jerryroche** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:55 pm

CAVSTRIBEBROWNSin07! wrote:
jerryroche wrote:Hell, I'm even starting to forgive Grant for picking TT #4 — and I can't figure out whether it's because of loyalty or simple malaise.

Its because you're looking at box scores instead of watching the games. Not that I blame you.

Quite frankly, I do watch the games — some of them, anyway. TT is as awkward as always, and he's still pretty sorry on defense (which was supposed to be his strong suit). But I'm getting the impression that maybe he's worth trying to develop further, and that he might have been the best player available at that point in that draft. (And—I know—that's not saying much.)

by **statmasta** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:58 pm

How is this not rape?

by **Madre Hill, Superstar** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:05 pm

pup wrote:
Madre Hill, Superstar wrote:How does it go? "Anytime you can turn three rotation parts and a first round pick into Jon Leuer, and not be forced to give up Rudy Gay to get under the luxury tax threshold you gotta make that trade."

I'm not entirely sure that makes it any better for the Grizzlies.

by **neoleo** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:20 pm

Nice move. We got two 25 year old former 1st round picks who, if nothing else, give you warm bodies to run out there for two years before their contracts expire, on top of getting a 1st round pick with lottery potential. I can see Speights and maybe even Ellington having a chance to play themselves into roles on this team as it moves forward.

by **BruceK** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:30 pm

Any other teams desperate to avoid the luxury tax? We've got a whole bunch of Jon Leuer's left to deal.

by **leadpipe** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:36 pm

statmasta wrote:How is this not rape?

Cause there has to be a good player involved to make it lopsided.

by **pod2dawg** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:49 pm

swerb wrote:We can thank everyone who got a Quicken mortgage loan in 2012 for this trade. Takes some of the sting off that $1500 application fee for those people.

Outstanding deal though. No risk, potential reward. Speights is still young, talented, always put up great #'s per minute ... has never been able to secure minutes because he has the focus and defensive skills of a poor man's Drew Gooden.

OK, OK I am "getting" this. What totally short circuits my brain cells is that there can actually be a "poor man's" version of Drew Gooden.

by **swerb** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:55 pm

Outstanding analysis of the deal:

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-trian ... icial-deal

by **TouchEmAllTime** » Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:37 pm

StewieG wrote:To be clear, this is not a guaranteed lottery pick. If it falls between 6 and 14 in either 2015 or 2016, we get it. In '17 and '18 we get it no matter where it is, unless it falls in the top 5. If, in some absurd scenario we don't get it until '19, we get it no matter what.

How hilarious would that be if we got the top overall pick in 2019 for Jon Leuer?

Almost as hillarious as getting it for Mo Williams was ;-) ;) :wink:

by **bookelly** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:16 am

It's very much a dice roll pick. Grizzlies good in four years or not? I'd package this "asset" in a trade as soon as I could.

/On the other front, it looks like the new Seattle Kings will go for a total re-build asap. I think this means we won't see that pick at all. Unless the ping pong balls help us out.

by **JJN** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:08 am

bookelly wrote:It's very much a dice roll pick. Grizzlies good in four years or not? I'd package this "asset" in a trade as soon as I could.

I think its a much better asset than you think. They only kicked the Gay question down the road until next year, when they will again be up against the luxury tax. ZBo is getting older. The only players they currently have under contract that year are Mike Conley and Tony Wroten's team option. They are a small market team that isn't likely to pull in a big name free agent. I think the question will more likely be whether they are going to blow it up and let all their free agents leave, or if they will try to eek out a little more success.

As far as the Kings, who the hell knows. The talent on that team is so much better than their record has been the last few years, but its all cobbled together wrong. If they trade some of their mismatched pieces, they should be able to put together a decent enough team that we can get their pick. It is still a first rounder through 2017, which should be long enough for them to get out of the top 10 at least once.

dmiles wrote:Anyone tracking what future draft picks are stockpiled?

http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/ ... s/detailed

2013 first round draft pick from Miami
Miami's own 2013 1st round draft pick to Cleveland (top-10 protected in the 2013 Draft, top-10 protected in 2014, and unprotected in the 2015 Draft.) [Cleveland - Miami, 7/9/2010]

2013 first round draft pick from Sacramento
Sacramento's own 2013 first round draft pick to Cleveland (top-13 protected in 2013, top-12 protected in 2014, top-10 protected in 2015, top-10 protected in 2016 and top-10 protected in the 2017 Draft) If Cleveland has not received a first round pick from Sacramento by 2017, then Sacramento shall convey their own 2017 2nd round draft pick to Cleveland provided it is within the top-55 picks. If it is not, then Sacramento's obligation to Cleveland shall be extinguished. (Cleveland-Sacramento, 6/30/2011)

2013 first round draft pick from L.A. Lakers
Cleveland has the right to swap the least favorable of their own 2013 1st round pick, Miami's own 2013 1st round pick (top-10 protected) and Sacramento's own 2013 1st round pick (top-13 protected) with the L.A. Lakers own 2013 first round pick (top-14 protected). If the L.A. Lakers own 2013 first round pick is #1-#14, then the L.A. Lakers' obligation to Cleveland shall be extinguished. [Cleveland-L.A. Lakers, 3/15/2012]

2013 second round draft pick from Orlando
Orlando's own 2013 2nd round pick to Cleveland. [Cleveland - Orlando, 6/23/2011]

2014 second round draft pick from Memphis
Memphis' own 2014 2nd round pick to Cleveland. [Cleveland - Memphis, 7/25/2012]

2014 second round draft pick from Orlando
Orlando's own 2014 2nd round pick to Cleveland. [Cleveland - Orlando, 6/23/2011]

2015 first round draft pick from Memphis
Memphis' own first round draft pick to Cleveland in the first available draft which will occur 2 years after Memphis satisfies their obligations to send a future first round draft pick to Minnesota via Houston. This pick is (top-1-5 & 15-30 protected in 2015, top-1-5 & 15-30 protected in 2016, top-5 protected in 2017, top-5 protected in 2018 and unprotected in the 2019 Draft) (Cleveland-Memphis, 1/22/2013)

2015 first round draft pick from Miami
Miami's own 1st round draft pick to Cleveland in the "First Allowable Draft" (top 10 protected until the 2017 draft at which it will be unprotected in the 2017 draft). The First Allowable draft shall be the draft that occurs two years following the year in which Miami satisfies its first obligation to convey a future first round draft pick to the Cleveland Cavaliers. [Cleveland - Miami, 7/9/2010]

Additionally, we have each of our own picks in all those years. I think at the start of last night's game they said that the Cavs have something like 15 picks in the next four years.

by **noles1** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:39 am

Following up on the summary, important to note that the hope would be that the Lakers sneak into the playoffs as an 8th seed this year. Otherwise we lose that option to swap.

And assets will be fine and well but we'll have to hit on these picks in the next two drafts if we want any shot of keeping Kyrie happy.

The Varajeo situation may set up nicely for a trade this offseason, his value may not be as high but we should be able to swing another 1st from a team if we handle the situation correctly.

by **Gradysmanldy** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:41 am

Plus the expirings of Walton and Boobie, should they choose to swap them.

by **Nicastro13** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:45 pm

Putting together a young nucleus for Lebron's Return in the summer of 2014!

by **OldDawg** » Thu Jan 24, 2013 11:50 am

motherscratcher wrote:You're going to have to do better than show me a picture of a guy with the name "Leuer" on the back to convince me.

I had to look him up:
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/jon_leuer ... stats.html

by **pod2dawg** » Sun Jan 27, 2013 1:38 pm

Oh, "THAT" Jon Leuer.

by **andrew6586** » Sun Jan 27, 2013 9:06 pm

statmasta wrote:How is this not rape?

Because it wasn't legitimate. This is an illegitimate trade rape. This one doesn't really count.

by **Madre Hill, Superstar** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:35 pm

pup wrote:
Madre Hill, Superstar wrote:How does it go? "Anytime you can turn three rotation parts and a first round pick into Jon Leuer, and not be forced to give up Rudy Gay to get under the luxury tax threshold but still trade him to Toronto anyways you gotta make that trade."

Had to fix that again. They did get Tayshaun Prince though.

by **pup** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:21 am

Madre Hill, Superstar wrote:
pup wrote:
Madre Hill, Superstar wrote:How does it go? "Anytime you can turn three rotation parts and a first round pick into Jon Leuer, and not be forced to give up Rudy Gay to get under the luxury tax threshold but still trade him to Toronto anyways you gotta make that trade."

Had to fix that again. They did get Tayshaun Prince though.

Well, now they were not "forced" to trade him

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