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Varejao Having Surgery/Starting to Smell Like Grady Injury

Unread postby peeker643 » Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:28 pm

Said this weeks ago to Demetri who writes our Cavs stuff (or a good part of it), but Sizemore's knees were "bruised" before he had surgery. Lingering, long healing "Bruses".

That turned into micro-fracture surgeries on each knee.

I'm not a doctor but this "contusion" requiring surgery is really concerning.
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Unread postby bac5665 » Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:33 pm

I didn't know this forum was still open. Good to know.

Sucks about Varejao though. But it's hard for me to worry too much about him; the last 2-3 years of listening to everyone assume that he'll be traded any minute made it hard for me to get too attached.
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Unread postby peeker643 » Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:37 pm

bac5665 wrote:I didn't know this forum was still open. Good to know.

Sucks about Varejao though. But it's hard for me to worry too much about him; the last 2-3 years of listening to everyone assume that he'll be traded any minute made it hard for me to get too attached.


That ship has sailed with this news. Recovery time makes it unlikely AND in terms of value you're not getting close to what you could have two months ago or if he comes out of this healthy.
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Unread postby peeker643 » Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:50 pm

Now saying quad surgery? I don't understand what the hell is going in that knee. But ain't none of it good.
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Unread postby StewieG » Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:55 pm

We waited too long.
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Unread postby rbm0183 » Wed Jan 09, 2013 1:13 pm

StewieG wrote:We waited too long.


This ^^^^^

Should have been dealt during the offseason for the best deal available. Someone out there had to be dangling some at least semi-attractive offer for the big fella. A blind man could have seen another injury like this coming from a mile away, and now his value dips further.

Another Chris Grant gamble that isn't looking so hot at the moment. But what else is new? ::doh::
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Unread postby bac5665 » Wed Jan 09, 2013 2:43 pm

peeker643 wrote:That ship has sailed with this news. Recovery time makes it unlikely AND in terms of value you're not getting close to what you could have two months ago or if he comes out of this healthy.


All the more reason why I can't get worked up about this; I have the least hope for the Cavs, although I do enjoy the individual games a lot. Not only are we in one of the markets most disadvantaged by the rigged NBA system, we have a horrible FO.

I do feel bad for Andy though. He deserves better than this.
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Unread postby pod2dawg » Wed Jan 09, 2013 8:14 pm

Pray that it is quad surgery & not microfracture knee.
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Unread postby kman_holla8 » Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:55 pm

This is the 3rd year in a row we missed out on unloading him.... Damn the career high rebounding averages this year. I think we all just assume we unloaded him to any veteran team out west a few weeks/months ago for a draft pick....Damn Chris Grant for waiting for the perfect deal that will never come.

This offseason we (possibly) could've gotten a return of Monta Ellis, or Andre Iggudola, much better then (draft)pick and pray value were looking at now.
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Unread postby leadpipe » Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:58 pm

The reason this forum is dead is because nobody gives a shit about the Cavs.

We fought it a little bit the past few years cause nobody wanted to give public enemy number one credit for anything...but we didn't give a shit before he came, and the only reason our couldn't give a shitness leaked away instead of ran is because of bitterness.

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Unread postby bookelly » Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:17 am

leadpipe wrote:The reason this forum is dead is because nobody gives a shit about the Cavs.

We fought it a little bit the past few years cause nobody wanted to give public enemy number one credit for anything...but we didn't give a shit before he came, and the only reason our couldn't give a shitness leaked away instead of ran is because of bitterness.

People who dig good NBA basketball can do so without watching the Cavs. And that includes those of us in Cleveland.


While you are correct on all points, I think there is a reason for some optimism. The owner really cares, they have a superstar caliber player (tho oft hurt), a group of very young upside players, and a shit load of draft picks. So many upcoming draft picks that they literally cannot fit them onto the roster.

Oh...and they have a TON of salary cap space.
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Unread postby swerb » Thu Jan 10, 2013 8:04 am

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Unread postby leadpipe » Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:16 am

bookelly wrote:
leadpipe wrote:The reason this forum is dead is because nobody gives a shit about the Cavs.

We fought it a little bit the past few years cause nobody wanted to give public enemy number one credit for anything...but we didn't give a shit before he came, and the only reason our couldn't give a shitness leaked away instead of ran is because of bitterness.

People who dig good NBA basketball can do so without watching the Cavs. And that includes those of us in Cleveland.


While you are correct on all points, I think there is a reason for some optimism. The owner really cares, they have a superstar caliber player (tho oft hurt), a group of very young upside players, and a shit load of draft picks. So many upcoming draft picks that they literally cannot fit them onto the roster.

Oh...and they have a TON of salary cap space.


1. Gordon Gund didn't give a shit?

2. There are superstar caliber players and there is LBJ. ONE superstar caliber player gets you shit.

3. A ton of draft picks is great, if more than 5 a year actaully counted.

4. Easy to have cap space in a place with bad players and nobody good wants to come. Just because the Cavs have had both bad players AND zero cap space previously, doesn't make this some sort of league advantage.

5. If you are a draft pick that can't be fit into this roster, you aren't getting on any NBA roster.

6. Really, nobody cares.
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Unread postby pup » Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:43 am

Right here in Cleveland? I didn't know they still had a team.
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Unread postby motherscratcher » Thu Jan 10, 2013 11:09 am

leadpipe wrote:
bookelly wrote:
leadpipe wrote:The reason this forum is dead is because nobody gives a shit about the Cavs.

We fought it a little bit the past few years cause nobody wanted to give public enemy number one credit for anything...but we didn't give a shit before he came, and the only reason our couldn't give a shitness leaked away instead of ran is because of bitterness.

People who dig good NBA basketball can do so without watching the Cavs. And that includes those of us in Cleveland.


While you are correct on all points, I think there is a reason for some optimism. The owner really cares, they have a superstar caliber player (tho oft hurt), a group of very young upside players, and a shit load of draft picks. So many upcoming draft picks that they literally cannot fit them onto the roster.

Oh...and they have a TON of salary cap space.


1. Gordon Gund didn't give a shit?

2. There are superstar caliber players and there is LBJ. ONE superstar caliber player gets you shit.

3. A ton of draft picks is great, if more than 5 a year actaully counted.

4. Easy to have cap space in a place with bad players and nobody good wants to come. Just because the Cavs have had both bad players AND zero cap space previously, doesn't make this some sort of league advantage.

5. If you are a draft pick that can't be fit into this roster, you aren't getting on any NBA roster.

6. Really, nobody cares.


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Unread postby bac5665 » Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:18 pm

We should be down on this team.

The NBA is a ten team league. Every other team is filler. And that's how Stern wants it and that's how the league is making money. Until the day comes when fans in the filler markets stop going to games, nothing is going to change and teams like Cleveland will have no chance. LeBron left us, rather than bring people to him. That's the ballgame. Free agents have to want to come here, and that cannot be done.

So it's hard to be enthusiastic about Kyrie no matter how good he is. He will never have a number 2 here (we whiffed at drafting one TWICE) and no one will come here to play with him. So he'll leave in a few years, possibly without ever having made the playoffs with the way this roster is trending, and we'll be back to where we started: fucked.
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Unread postby YahooFanChicago » Thu Jan 10, 2013 8:25 pm

I'm not as close to the situation as some of you and I'm not trying to be a prick but who exactly did we miss on with the #4 picks the past 2 drafts?

TT looked really shitty and is still very limited offensively but since Andy has been out the guy has been a rebounding machine and has been averaging a double-double. Yes, in a normal draft you would hope for more than TT with the 4th pick but that draft was very weak. Who was available at #4 that year who is clearly performing better? That's an honest question, I really don't know if there is someone.

Then there is Dion, a pick that I initially hated. I'm still amazed that they drafted him without working him out and it seemed like a poor move. Again though, based on initial results and performance who is performing better than him? I think most of us were really hoping for Beal or MKG but they were already off the board....and last I checked they weren't looking any better than Dion. Dion's jumper looks crazy ugly as we all knonw. But if we are honest I think we all see he's got an amazing first step and can get to the rim. Now finishing, well not quite yet. I'm out of town so I only see a few of the games but the games I have seen Dion is getting no calls. I think his finihing will improve and after a year or two in the league he will start getting more calls.

I see some potential in this team given the young guys and our future picks. I am actually more upbeat about the Cavs than any of our other pro teams in Cleveland.
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Unread postby swerb » Thu Jan 10, 2013 11:12 pm

YahooFanChicago wrote:I'm not as close to the situation as some of you and I'm not trying to be a prick but who exactly did we miss on with the #4 picks the past 2 drafts?

TT looked really shitty and is still very limited offensively but since Andy has been out the guy has been a rebounding machine and has been averaging a double-double. Yes, in a normal draft you would hope for more than TT with the 4th pick but that draft was very weak. Who was available at #4 that year who is clearly performing better? That's an honest question, I really don't know if there is someone.

Then there is Dion, a pick that I initially hated. I'm still amazed that they drafted him without working him out and it seemed like a poor move. Again though, based on initial results and performance who is performing better than him? I think most of us were really hoping for Beal or MKG but they were already off the board....and last I checked they weren't looking any better than Dion. Dion's jumper looks crazy ugly as we all knonw. But if we are honest I think we all see he's got an amazing first step and can get to the rim. Now finishing, well not quite yet. I'm out of town so I only see a few of the games but the games I have seen Dion is getting no calls. I think his finihing will improve and after a year or two in the league he will start getting more calls.

I see some potential in this team given the young guys and our future picks. I am actually more upbeat about the Cavs than any of our other pro teams in Cleveland.

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Unread postby Kingpin74 » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:37 pm

Get LeBron back in 2014. It'll be a real time version of Marty traveling back to 1955 to steal the Sports Almanac from Biff and prevent the nightmare 1985 with the giant casino (except we actually have a giant casino now).

It sounds insane but who knows. With Wade on the decline and most other glamour markets already using up their cap room, maybe the combination of Kyrie, Andy, Waiters if he gets better, high lottery picks in '13 and '14, and (most importantly) guilt will be enough to get him back here.
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Unread postby noles1 » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:39 pm

Just curious for everyone saying we definitely should have dealt him. What deal would you have liked to have seen?

Cause I posted awhile back that there was only a few teams where they could put a package together that would work for us. Yet I see nor heard any depth to those options with any rumors.

It's a damn if you do, damned if you don't.

Cause the second he is dealt for shit or "projects" the board would melt.
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Unread postby Kingpin74 » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:42 pm

noles1 wrote:Just curious for everyone saying we definitely should have dealt him. What deal would you have liked to have seen?

Cause I posted awhile back that there was only a few teams where they could put a package together that would work for us. Yet I see nor heard any depth to those options with any rumors.

It's a damn if you do, damned if you don't.

Cause the second he is dealt for shit or "projects" the board would melt.


I have to agree with you there. Andy plays at an all-star level when he's in there. You can't deal him just for the sake of dealing him. Unless there are unprotected lottery picks out there (and there aren't), I don't see how it helps to trade him for another solid player that doesn't move the needle for a 20 win team. It would have to be for younger and/or cheaper guys that can make a difference in 3-4 years when we can even get back to playoff contention. Easier said than done. Prospects don't really exist in the NBA.
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Unread postby StewieG » Fri Jan 11, 2013 7:05 pm

IIRC, there was a rumor a couple of years ago right before Harden took off of us trading Andy for him. Then Andy got hurt, and Harden took off. I don't know exactly how legit that rumor was, but I remember hearing something about it after the fact.

The time to trade Andy was 2 offseasons ago, when we had the #1 pick. We wouldn't have gotten a huge haul for him, but we probably could have gotten a couple nice pieces.

On TT and Waiters, I still don't like the picks. I would still take Vala over TT (yes, TT's numbers are better this year). I think Vala has actual skills to develop, and I don't think TT will ever be more than an uncoordinated, athletic hustle guy coming off the bench. He'll never be consistent offensively, and he's STILL got a long way to go defensively. Right now his one skill is rebounding, which is nice. It's certainly useful.

Waiters...I have a huge disdain for low efficiency volume scorers. It's borderline irrational. I hated the NBA in the late 90's, early 00's when there was a glut of guys who put up 20 shots to get 16 points. Waiters reminds me of that. If he gets to the point where he can shoot somewhere around 45%, and can finish consistently at the rim, then I might change my tune. FWIW, I would have drafted Thomas Robinson...I can't believe how much he's struggling on a bad Kings team. My choice after that would have been Harrison Barnes, who is pretty 'meh', but doesn't hurt you by jacking up terrible shots that often. I'd be interested in seeing how he and Kyrie worked together, though. He was such a different player when someone was there to feed him the ball.
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Unread postby leadpipe » Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:36 pm

StewieG wrote:IIRC, there was a rumor a couple of years ago right before Harden took off of us trading Andy for him. Then Andy got hurt, and Harden took off. I don't know exactly how legit that rumor was, but I remember hearing something about it after the fact.

The time to trade Andy was 2 offseasons ago, when we had the #1 pick. We wouldn't have gotten a huge haul for him, but we probably could have gotten a couple nice pieces.

On TT and Waiters, I still don't like the picks. I would still take Vala over TT (yes, TT's numbers are better this year). I think Vala has actual skills to develop, and I don't think TT will ever be more than an uncoordinated, athletic hustle guy coming off the bench. He'll never be consistent offensively, and he's STILL got a long way to go defensively. Right now his one skill is rebounding, which is nice. It's certainly useful.

Waiters...I have a huge disdain for low efficiency volume scorers. It's borderline irrational. I hated the NBA in the late 90's, early 00's when there was a glut of guys who put up 20 shots to get 16 points. Waiters reminds me of that. If he gets to the point where he can shoot somewhere around 45%, and can finish consistently at the rim, then I might change my tune. FWIW, I would have drafted Thomas Robinson...I can't believe how much he's struggling on a bad Kings team. My choice after that would have been Harrison Barnes, who is pretty 'meh', but doesn't hurt you by jacking up terrible shots that often. I'd be interested in seeing how he and Kyrie worked together, though. He was such a different player when someone was there to feed him the ball.


Waiters is not good. For every good thing he does you could name many bad. And besides the in efficiency you've got other issues, such as, anyone who shows up out of shape for the start of their career...anyone who can't remember the plays....what I'm getting at, is even if he gets better on the court in many facets, you still gotta wonder if he's gonna be a guy you can win with, cause he's got big 20 point scorer on last place teams potential.

And, I suppose if that's the case he's in the right place.
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Unread postby leadpipe » Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:37 pm

Kingpin74 wrote:Get LeBron back in 2014. It'll be a real time version of Marty traveling back to 1955 to steal the Sports Almanac from Biff and prevent the nightmare 1985 with the giant casino (except we actually have a giant casino now).

It sounds insane but who knows. With Wade on the decline and most other glamour markets already using up their cap room, maybe the combination of Kyrie, Andy, Waiters if he gets better, high lottery picks in '13 and '14, and (most importantly) guilt will be enough to get him back here.


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Unread postby noles1 » Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:17 pm

StewieG wrote:IIRC, there was a rumor a couple of years ago right before Harden took off of us trading Andy for him. Then Andy got hurt, and Harden took off. I don't know exactly how legit that rumor was, but I remember hearing something about it after the fact.

The time to trade Andy was 2 offseasons ago, when we had the #1 pick. We wouldn't have gotten a huge haul for him, but we probably could have gotten a couple nice pieces.



Mind you, that deal couple years ago was for Derrick Williams if memory serves me correctly. Which would be a deal that Minnesota would do yesterday if Cavs called them. (Course more would have to be included to line up salaries)

The offers this yr just simply have not been there.
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Unread postby LakeErieWarriors » Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:56 pm

Well the trade Andy ship has sailed for the mid-term future. His injuries have made him much less appealing trade bait.

That being said, I think what this team needs most is a true Center. They've got no inside presence and haven't had it in awhile. Only problem is that when I think of who they should, and more importantly, could get, I draw blanks.
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Unread postby kman_holla8 » Sat Jan 12, 2013 2:45 pm

LakeErieWarriors wrote:Well the trade Andy ship has sailed for the mid-term future. His injuries have made him much less appealing trade bait.

That being said, I think what this team needs most is a true Center. They've got no inside presence and haven't had it in awhile. Only problem is that when I think of who they should, and more importantly, could get, I draw blanks.


We were so close to getting Bynam last year (although we would have to over pay him a max contract to keep him.). There are no superstar true centers anymore. Duncan, KG, were more PF's then C's for the there career, and Kendrick Perkins isn't availible, and There is no way we trade for D12 when there is 0% of him resigning.

I don't think that zeller will be any better then Chris Mihm (What was that conversation like? "Lets draft the true white center and let him develope" yeah that always works in the nba)

Maybe when we imagine our center of the future we should worry about getting a center that has good footwork, can hold his own on the low-block and knock down the mid-range jumpers consistanly, rather then a 7ft rebounding machine with a dazzling array of low-post moves and defensive mindset. The days of matching up with giants Mutombo, The admiral, The Dream, Ewing, and Shaq are in a by-gone era.
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Unread postby pod2dawg » Sat Jan 12, 2013 11:09 pm

If we had a f#$$%cking 3 & anybody to play center that could block shots & rebound TT & Dion would look alot better. I am holding out our braintrust can somehow manage those tasks with 73 draft picks and a billion dollars in cap space before Kyrie ends up in a wheelchair.
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Unread postby bac5665 » Sat Jan 12, 2013 11:26 pm

YahooFanChicago wrote:I'm not as close to the situation as some of you and I'm not trying to be a prick but who exactly did we miss on with the #4 picks the past 2 drafts?

TT looked really shitty and is still very limited offensively but since Andy has been out the guy has been a rebounding machine and has been averaging a double-double. Yes, in a normal draft you would hope for more than TT with the 4th pick but that draft was very weak. Who was available at #4 that year who is clearly performing better? That's an honest question, I really don't know if there is someone.

Then there is Dion, a pick that I initially hated. I'm still amazed that they drafted him without working him out and it seemed like a poor move. Again though, based on initial results and performance who is performing better than him? I think most of us were really hoping for Beal or MKG but they were already off the board....and last I checked they weren't looking any better than Dion. Dion's jumper looks crazy ugly as we all knonw. But if we are honest I think we all see he's got an amazing first step and can get to the rim. Now finishing, well not quite yet. I'm out of town so I only see a few of the games but the games I have seen Dion is getting no calls. I think his finihing will improve and after a year or two in the league he will start getting more calls.

I see some potential in this team given the young guys and our future picks. I am actually more upbeat about the Cavs than any of our other pro teams in Cleveland.


Oh there's no doubt that this team will be watchable for a few years. Maybe even good. But do you honestly think that these players will ever be able to beat the Heat in a best of 7? The Thunder? The Lakers (this years team notwithstanding)? These players will NEVER be able to do that. Not before Kyrie leaves.

So this FO has to be able to able to bring in, not just talent, but SuperStar talent, in order to get there. A better FO couldn't get it done with LeBron here. Not gonna do it with Kyrie. Not with this FO.

And I'll give you that we got screwed in the drafts. No argument. I almost threw the remote at the screen when the only 3 good players where gone by pick 4 last year. Especially after all reports were that one would drop to us or that we would trade for one. But bad luck doesn't change the fact that we did not get a super star at 4. And We had to find one. It takes 2-3 superstars to win the NBA. We have one. And we can't get one in FA. So failure to get one in the draft, regardless of whether it was bad luck, will doom this team.
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Unread postby YahooFanChicago » Sun Jan 13, 2013 9:23 pm

Winning championships in the NBA is damn hard, I guess if it were a balanced league each team would win about once every 30 years. We all know it's not a balanced league which makes it even harder for a Cleveland team.

By the time we are ready to contend I don't think the Miami Heat will look anything like they do today. Are all of their big 3 going to still be there and performing at this level after 2 to 3 more years.? The Lake show is definitely in decline and who knows about the Thunder.

People talk alot about building the way the Thunder did...for me I hope we build more like the late 80's Cavs...primarily using the draft to acquire multiple future all-stars and then making trades to acquire depth and fill holes. True superstars (aka, Michael, Magic, Bird, Lebron, etc) are so rare that it is unrealistic to think we are going to acquire 2 of them during the same period. Hell, even the current Heat only have 1 real superstar and then 2 all-star level guys.

I really think the best way for us to try and build a championship team is to acquire 2-3 frequent all stars through the draft and then fill the other 2 starter roles and part of the bench with guys that are league average or better acquired through the draft and/or trades. The rest of the bench should be role players acquired through free agency or trades that exploit weaknesses the top competitors have.

I'm definitely no Lee/Eyo but I personally think the only realistic chance we have is if we have great balance, 2-3 all star level starters, tremendous depth, a core of players who have played together for a few years who complement each other and want to play together. Pretty similar to what the Cavs of the late 80's early 90's had (and I realize we didn't win shit with them due to MJ, some bad luck/injuries and poor trades).

I think with the core we have plus our future picks and tradeable assets we shouuld be a "good" team within a couple of years. It would certainly take a lot of player development, smart FO moves and luck to go from a "good" team to a championship team. I think that's always going to be the case though and I just think this franchise is closer to that then our other franchises in Cleveland.
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Unread postby YahooFanChicago » Sun Jan 13, 2013 9:30 pm

pod2dawg wrote:If we had a f#$$%cking 3 & anybody to play center that could block shots & rebound TT & Dion would look alot better. I am holding out our braintrust can somehow manage those tasks with 73 draft picks and a billion dollars in cap space before Kyrie ends up in a wheelchair.



Agree with that...hopefully that center also has some semblence of an offensive game and can hit some short and mid range jumpers. Only problem is those types of centers are damn hard to find these days.
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Unread postby FUDU » Sun Jan 13, 2013 10:11 pm

Kingpin74 wrote:Get LeBron back in 2014. It'll be a real time version of Marty traveling back to 1955 to steal the Sports Almanac from Biff and prevent the nightmare 1985 with the giant casino (except we actually have a giant casino now).

It sounds insane but who knows. With Wade on the decline and most other glamour markets already using up their cap room, maybe the combination of Kyrie, Andy, Waiters if he gets better, high lottery picks in '13 and '14, and (most importantly) guilt will be enough to get him back here.

LeBron returning to Cleveland isn't nearly as crazy as most imagine.
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Unread postby YahooFanChicago » Sun Jan 13, 2013 10:36 pm

I agree, I am almost positive he will be back someday. The only problem is I think it will be at the end of his career when he is a shell of his former self...think Cavs era Shaq or 2nd act Indians Jim Thome.

He's prime time now, winning titles in Souf Beach, tagging lots of strange trim and living the life. It's not scraping ice off his car that is keeping him from Cleveland since he's going from indoor parking garage to indoor parking garage and when he doesn't he's got people to scrape his ice. It's all of that other shit keeping him out of Cleveland. Some day he's going to mature making the strange trim and prime time less important, the Cav's will get better making them a team he thinks he can carry the rest of the way and he'll want to come home and repair the damage. I think that's when he's going to want to come back. I just don't know how much he will help the Cavs at that point. Just my opinion..
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Unread postby leadpipe » Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:21 am

Guys, shake yourselves. When a good, let alone great NBA player voluntarily decides to come to Cleveland, let me know.

Again, compile a list of the top ten Cavs free agents of all time. Then read it a few times.

It's a dead city. The weather stinks during basketball season. The team he'll be coming to won't be any good. Nike would rather have him elsewhere. And on and on.

But if you wanna wait by the door, by all means, go ahead.

Good luck.

And remember those that said he would NEVER leave?
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Unread postby YahooFanChicago » Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:32 am

I still think he comes back when he's too old, broken down and can't really help much. Dude's got a big ego, he wants everyone to love him and he'll sell it as trying to fullfil his earlier promise to bring a championship to Northeast Ohio. Good chane it'll be pathetic and/or sad on a lot of levels.
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Unread postby StewieG » Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:34 am

Yeah, if he comes back it'll be when he's winding down his career, and wants a "feel good" thing. In '14, he'll hem, he'll haw, he'll flirt, he'll dance, he'll make it seem like there's a real possibility...and then he'll re-sign in Miami. Or go to NY or LA. It'll be the summer of ME, part 2.
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Unread postby CAVSTRIBEBROWNSin07! » Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:35 pm

YahooFanChicago wrote:I'm not as close to the situation as some of you and I'm not trying to be a prick but who exactly did we miss on with the #4 picks the past 2 drafts?

TT looked really shitty and is still very limited offensively but since Andy has been out the guy has been a rebounding machine and has been averaging a double-double. Yes, in a normal draft you would hope for more than TT with the 4th pick but that draft was very weak. Who was available at #4 that year who is clearly performing better? That's an honest question, I really don't know if there is someone.
Faried, Klay Thompson, Kawhi Leonard. Yeah I know they weren't in the conversation at #4, but neither was TT.

YahooFanChicago wrote:Then there is Dion, a pick that I initially hated. I'm still amazed that they drafted him without working him out and it seemed like a poor move. Again though, based on initial results and performance who is performing better than him? I think most of us were really hoping for Beal or MKG but they were already off the board....and last I checked they weren't looking any better than Dion.

Then you haven't checked too recently. Beal has been steadily improving all season and only stands to look even better now that Wall is back. MKG, broken shot and all, still impacts a game a helluva lot more than Waiters.
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Unread postby dmiles » Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:52 am

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Unread postby YahooFanChicago » Tue Jan 15, 2013 6:04 am

2007CAVSBROWNSTRIBEFAN...thanks for the feedback on the TT draft players.... I don't get to watch a lot of NBA games because I am overseas, I do watch games when I can and still keep up with the teams online...and I am no expert on this stuff.

I have never watched Kenneth Faried or Klay Thompson play but based on their stats they do seem like they would be an upgrade over T.T and I doubt their offensive games could be any more awkward than his. That said, TT does seem to be "getting it" and statistically speaking it will be interesting to see how this looks at the end of the season and if his improved performance continues. As much as the Cavs need a much better starting SF, there is no way the answer is Kawhi Leonard so if we had a hindsight draft I don't trade TT for Leonard...

With regards to Waiters, would I trade him for Beal? of course. That said, Beal wasn't available when we picked and even with Beal's great performance for the past month and Waiters being relegated to coming off the bench Waiters has better numbers so far. Even Waiters field goal percent is better which is hard to believe. Beal is probably going to be the better future NBA player and would be a better fit for our team but he wasn't there when we picked.

If we look back at the number 4 picks for the past 2 years the only real upgrade for us in terms of a long-term better core might be the combindation of Klay Thompson in 2011 and Thomas Robinson in 2012....and even that is based on projection and perceived better fit since T.T and Waiters current cumulative stats are better than Robinson and Klay Thomspson's combined current stats. This stuff is never black and white...
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Unread postby YahooFanChicago » Tue Jan 15, 2013 6:11 am

..oh yeh, could we have traded our 2013 first round pick + our 2012 first round pick to move-up to grab Beal or MKG? If so, should we have?

Is Uncle Drew + Waiters + TT + whoever we take with #1 in 2013 a better future core than:

Uncle Drew + Beal + TT?

...yeh, yeh..I already know that TT should probably not be in our future core.
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Unread postby Orenthal » Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:39 am

TT is being very productive right now, granted I'm doing PROS level analysis.
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Unread postby pod2dawg » Mon Jan 21, 2013 6:35 pm

Andy out for year. Blood clot to lung. Ouch.
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Unread postby Prosecutor » Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:08 pm

pod2dawg wrote:Andy out for year. Blood clot to lung. Ouch.


That should ensure we get the #1 pick now that Wall is back with the Wizards.

What started out as a day-to-day leg bruise turned into a "split muscle", which is an injury never seen before in the NBA which then became a blot clot. Yep, that's Cleveland pro sports all right.
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Unread postby JJN » Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:10 am

Having lost my father to the same type of blood clot that AV has, I can say that he/we are just lucky they caught it early.
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Unread postby pod2dawg » Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:51 am

Excellent article on the blood clot issue.
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Unread postby diminishingskills » Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:12 am

pod2dawg wrote:Excellent article on the blood clot issue.


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