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by furls » Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:34 am
by Sea Foam Green » Thu Jan 03, 2013 10:25 am
by peeker643 » Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:18 am
Dan Wetzel @DanWetzelSo when the SEC dominates, it's bc the SEC is dominant. But when the SEC gets dominated, it's bc it wasn't motivated to play. Is that it?
by Bayou Tribe » Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:25 am
by furls » Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:46 am
by pup » Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:56 am
by Sea Foam Green » Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:02 pm
by e0y2e3 » Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:28 pm
pup wrote:While the $EC may be down...nobody else is up.
by noles1 » Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:34 pm
by e0y2e3 » Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:44 pm
by Bayou Tribe » Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:17 pm
furls wrote:I think you underestimate LSU (anti-homer bias?), but I agree with the premise of your post. I just feel like the conference is living off the reputation created by a couple of very good teams every year. The media and the rednecks on the Finebaum show seem to conveniently forget that Vandy, Ole Miss, Auburn, MSU, Arkansas and TN are in the SEC too. I think Muschamp is in way over his head in FL., contrary to what FL fans would lead you to believe, Meyer did not leave the cupboards bare. USCe will continue to be what they have been for 20 years, a nice 9-10 win team (and 2-3rd place finisher in the east) and UGA wins by default.
by TribeinLA » Sun Jan 27, 2013 5:52 pm
by furls » Sun Jan 27, 2013 9:48 pm
TribeinLA wrote:Yes, the SEC was overrated, but it was obviously the best conference easily. It will only get better. Texas A&M is going to turn into a titan much like it was in the mid to late 90's. The Houston and SE Texas area will be huge battling betwen LSU and A&M. Auburn will be back. They always are. They will need 2 years. Tennessee has NO in-state recruiting base. They will remain at the bottom until the university gets out from all of the Kiffin and Dooley debt and hire a bad ass coach. In the meantime, Vanderbilt is going to maul them for the next 3 years.SC is who they are. They find good talent and they lose good talent, but they still have the best offensive-minded coach in the SEC. LSU will continue to get freaks of nature and win 10-11 games, but with Les Miles, those games are going to be teeter totter as you saw in the Chic Fil A Bowl vs. Clemson. If LSU hired someone like Rich Rod (and Rich Rod matured his ass a bit), you would see some great, great offensive firepower. Next to Bama, LSU is easily the most sexy team.Arkansas will have to rely on Springdale and come into north LA and northeast TX if they wanna play big boy ball again. Ole Miss -- same pilosophy with a differenrt recruiting realm.Miss State is hot and cold. They have a good offensive system in play, but they're never going to win an SEC title unless they find a Cam Newton. They're basically still a doormat, as they've pretty much always been. Georgia and Florida will continue to have big time recruiting wars and some amazing games. The two teams basically get the same amount of talent. WHoever wins that hame in '13 is going to have a legit shot at the national title pending SEC title.Mizzou...meh. Kentucky is about to be the most horrible SEC team to ever suit up. Those dudes just suck and they have had very subpar coaching and effort to try and place the program on the map. You beat LSU in 2007 and you would think they'd be a semi-legit 7-8 win team. No. Not even close. The SEC will be abouot as good if not better as it was last year. It's a gauntlet...not many make it through undefeated.
by pod2dawg » Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:35 pm
by leadpipe » Thu Feb 07, 2013 8:21 pm
by furls » Fri Feb 08, 2013 7:31 pm
leadpipe wrote:While the SEC was not as strong top to bottom, they were still the best by a pretty wide margin.A couple things: On A&M...it's not so much about A&M getting stronger cause of UT's recent problems....for SEC haters the real problem is A&M opening that state wider to the entire SEC.And in regard to ACC (or other conferences) beating SEC teams in bowl games...I think a better measure would be the games which actually mean something, better said, the games when the teams are still playing for a bigger prize. That weekend in late November when FSU was supposed to get Florida and Clemson was supposed to get South Carolina. Not that these SEC teams are above anything, but you are getting a differently motivated LSU team in November than you are once they realize they gotta drag their asses to the Chik-Fil-A bowl that nobody gives a shit whether they win or lose.
by leadpipe » Sun Feb 10, 2013 4:05 pm
furls wrote:leadpipe wrote:While the SEC was not as strong top to bottom, they were still the best by a pretty wide margin.A couple things: On A&M...it's not so much about A&M getting stronger cause of UT's recent problems....for SEC haters the real problem is A&M opening that state wider to the entire SEC.And in regard to ACC (or other conferences) beating SEC teams in bowl games...I think a better measure would be the games which actually mean something, better said, the games when the teams are still playing for a bigger prize. That weekend in late November when FSU was supposed to get Florida and Clemson was supposed to get South Carolina. Not that these SEC teams are above anything, but you are getting a differently motivated LSU team in November than you are once they realize they gotta drag their asses to the Chik-Fil-A bowl that nobody gives a shit whether they win or lose.I disagree. The SEC was considerably better at the very top, 'Bama. I was unimpressed with the rest of the league. You mean to tell me that UF was not up for its BCS bowl? I watched every SEC bowl game and they were not amazing. Is it the best league? Yes, obviously. Is every team in the SEC capable crushing the champs from every league like some would have you believe? No. We all know that this scUM team was not good and they should've beaten USCe. MSU played very well with UGA too. If this was one or two games, then it would be ignorable as wild data, but when coupled with the ACC and Big East wins, it sends the message that God's chosen conference was not quite as good as everyone made it out to be.
by furls » Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:36 pm
by kman_holla8 » Sun Feb 10, 2013 11:56 pm
Sea Foam Green wrote: I think the reason we're calling the SEC 'over-rated' is that the media swayed toward this kind notion just a little too much, [driven largely by ESPN, which has ample reason to promote it as such].
by furls » Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:03 pm
by leadpipe » Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:30 pm
kman_holla8 wrote:Sea Foam Green wrote: I think the reason we're calling the SEC 'over-rated' is that the media swayed toward this kind notion just a little too much, [driven largely by ESPN, which has ample reason to promote it as such].Remember when tOSU and Tress had our 33gm winning streak snapped by Urb-dog and then the next year when LSU beat us at (their house)NGC. After that the media has been tOSU-biased. Media doesn't want to cover tOSU or the boring vest for 3rd striaght year. IMO that's when the hard-on for the SEC started. ESPN and CBS having tv deals with them doesn't help things. Now try to find any given sunday when there AREN'T 3 SEC teams in the top 10. When ranked any-state U in the nation loses on saturday they drop between 6 to 12 spots in the polls on average...When SEC team loses, they drop between 1 and 5 spots!?! (Excuses, are made on there behalf)It's disgusting. It's like Mike Slive has media pollsters on the payroll. SEC has been over-rated the past couple of years if you ask me. The whole league play weak out of conference schedule. For Example 'Bama is still really good and deserves it's oppotunitys to play in NGC. But It's easy to play for NCG when you truly line-up cupcakes with your Out of Conference schedule, 2011: Kent St and Georiga Southern2012: scUM (nice change of pace for them )Western KY and Western CarolinaThis year upcoming:Oct 5 vs Georiga St and Nov 23 vs Chattanoga
by kman_holla8 » Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:53 pm
by Larvell Blanks » Wed Feb 13, 2013 2:24 pm
kman_holla8 wrote:Okay I made a mental mistake on the 33/22 game winning streak.Who are the 2nd and 3rd best teams in SEC? LSU? LSU has only 351 yards of total offense vs Auburn team that finished 3-9 overall. And gave up 463 yards versus a 6-6 OleMiss team.What about UF?They should've lost the games vs BGSU and Mizzou, both on there home field. Games they should've won by 30.Texas A&MPretty Solid Year definatly earned there ReputationGeorigaA 5 point win vs Kentucky team winless in SEC play, and Giving up 44 to Tenneesee in Athens. USCDestroyed by Florida, Beaten by LSU, Didn't have to play 'Bama or Texas A&M, Gave up 35 to a 1-7 team in there own conference (Tenn). And Oh yeah possibly have top 2 picks in the nfl draft next year in Jave' Clowney and Marcus Lattimore.I'm pointing out there flaws to show the gap the media says SEC creates is not as big as it seems. My beef is really more with the media coverage and the 24/7 news coverage where people make stuff up to talk about to fill time.
by kman_holla8 » Wed Feb 13, 2013 8:11 pm
by pup » Wed Feb 13, 2013 8:32 pm
by leadpipe » Wed Feb 13, 2013 8:57 pm
by e0y2e3 » Wed Feb 13, 2013 11:42 pm
by pup » Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:23 am
e0y2e3 wrote:How in the fuck is this argument still going on?
by motherscratcher » Fri Feb 15, 2013 10:50 pm
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