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by Erie Warrior » Sat Dec 15, 2012 7:50 pm
Cerebral_DownTime wrote:Well if they send me $3,000 for my AR, $500 for my SKS, and $3 per round I own, I'll toss them into a blast furnace myself. I'm keeping my pistols, shotgun, and bolt actions.
by Cerebral_DownTime » Sat Dec 15, 2012 7:52 pm
by Erie Warrior » Sat Dec 15, 2012 8:10 pm
by Cerebral_DownTime » Sat Dec 15, 2012 8:16 pm
by Erie Warrior » Sat Dec 15, 2012 8:24 pm
by Cerebral_DownTime » Sat Dec 15, 2012 8:29 pm
by Fire Marshall Bill 2.0 » Sat Dec 15, 2012 8:35 pm
motherscratcher wrote:FUDU wrote:To CDT's point about sales of firearms that are undocumented, that is an area of legit concern and one in which most would be open to new ideas IMO.But, gun advocates (sane and insane) purchase guns this way all the time, and big brother is one of the reasons why for some of these people. Might not be enough of a reason to continue to allow it as it current is, but it is at least understandable.I've been looking for a shotgun for about a month, it only took two phone calls to find some people willing to sell theirs.You know what? Fuck those people. Tough shit.You want to buy a gun? Fine. Buy one from a store. Wait however long it takes to get your background check so we can be as sure as possible you aren't a nutjob. Pick up your gun in 3 weeks. OR 2. Or 4. However long that takes.You need your gun by this weekend for the McGuillicuddy Family Fourth of July Watermellon Shoot? You should have ordered it 4 weeks ago. Borrow your cousins gun and split the prize Chris Gaines CD Retrospective collection if you win.
FUDU wrote:To CDT's point about sales of firearms that are undocumented, that is an area of legit concern and one in which most would be open to new ideas IMO.But, gun advocates (sane and insane) purchase guns this way all the time, and big brother is one of the reasons why for some of these people. Might not be enough of a reason to continue to allow it as it current is, but it is at least understandable.I've been looking for a shotgun for about a month, it only took two phone calls to find some people willing to sell theirs.
by Erie Warrior » Sat Dec 15, 2012 8:39 pm
Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I'm not participating in a demand and comply situation. You're not in a position to even be making demands..... And who are you to declare that the "TCF Gun Control Plan"?I say I will not comply. Your move.
by Cerebral_DownTime » Sat Dec 15, 2012 8:41 pm
by Cerebral_DownTime » Sat Dec 15, 2012 8:44 pm
by e0y2e3 » Sat Dec 15, 2012 10:15 pm
by peeker643 » Sat Dec 15, 2012 10:51 pm
by Erie Warrior » Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:09 pm
by Cerebral_DownTime » Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:20 pm
by Erie Warrior » Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:30 pm
by Cerebral_DownTime » Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:30 am
by HoodooMan » Sun Dec 16, 2012 2:18 am
by HoodooMan » Sun Dec 16, 2012 2:27 am
by motherscratcher » Sun Dec 16, 2012 2:30 am
HoodooMan wrote:Though, I guess I can add that the 2nd Amendment, along with the 3rd, seems to be unusually concerned with the Founding Fathers' immediate present, and, of the 10, perhaps should be the most loosely interpreted to our present day reality.But then maybe I'm the only guy here who isn't especially concerned with the possibility of the Marines walking in my front door and overstaying their welcome.
by Am I Here Again? » Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:34 am
peeker643 wrote:...For me banning equals criminalizing and establishing an even bigger market. Heroin is illegal, right? Do more die from heroin ODs or school shootings/gun violence each year? I honestly don't know. I do know making most drugs illegal hasn't stopped them from being prevalent.
by Am I Here Again? » Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:46 am
by FUDU » Sun Dec 16, 2012 4:33 am
by peeker643 » Sun Dec 16, 2012 8:08 am
FUDU wrote:To further the point about CC, and I'm certain dem can comment on this if he chooses (as I heard this from the mouths of no less than 4 LEOs tonight), CC class is very heavy on the idea that even though a person is CC they do not look to engage in any situation that gives them the opportunity to use their training or show off their "skills". Matter of fact every single LEO tonight told me it is their understanding that CC class is insistent that a graduate DOES NOT get involved in ANY situation. For various reasons not just liability.
by British_Pharaoh » Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:20 am
by e0y2e3 » Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:22 am
by municipalmutt » Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:47 am
by e0y2e3 » Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:59 am
by dem425 » Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:15 pm
by e0y2e3 » Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:12 pm
by dem425 » Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:18 pm
by FUDU » Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:40 pm
dem425 wrote:Again, the entire discussion should revolve around one concept. What are you doing or are willing to do to protect your family?. With or without firearms, it is your responsibility to insure the safety of those in your family, some whom may be unable to defend themselves. To what extent are you willing to go to protect them?......What could have stopped this whack job (or any of these mass-shooters) from carrying out his plan?....I personally believe these fucking cowards may have given second thoughts if they knew they were going to meet severe resistance of some type (guns or not).Anyone who claims to own a gun for "personal or family protection" and is unwilling or unable to look someone in the eyes and stop them from the threat they present, please get rid of your guns (sell to CDT)and get yourselves a ball bat or golf club.
by Cerebral_DownTime » Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:53 pm
British_Pharaoh wrote:As long as it's not your kids that are dying because of all that out-dated and irrelevant 'freedom' you are enjoying, then I don't expect your absurd attitudes to change...You do understand King George is no longer a threat, right?
by dem425 » Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:11 pm
Please spare me from your snotty foreigner attitude of thinking you always know better. Enjoy big brother on every street corner. Enjoy the crazy, Dark Age Muslims flooding your country.
by Adverb Harry » Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:42 pm
by British_Pharaoh » Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:06 am
Cerebral_DownTime wrote:British_Pharaoh wrote:As long as it's not your kids that are dying because of all that out-dated and irrelevant 'freedom' you are enjoying, then I don't expect your absurd attitudes to change...You do understand King George is no longer a threat, right?Please spare me from your snotty foreigner attitude of thinking you always know better. Enjoy big brother on every street corner. Enjoy the crazy, Dark Age Muslims flooding your country.
by peeker643 » Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:07 am
by e0y2e3 » Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:17 am
by exiledbuckeye » Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:21 am
by peeker643 » Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:42 am
e0y2e3 wrote:No one, anywhere, has stated that sick fucks aren't going to be able to pull off sick crimes Peeker.The core point in all of this is to go look at the homicide rate in Norway and Finland and then look at the US'. Its disgusting how our "civil" society stands out amongst most any other industrialized nation as the one with the most gun driven violence, by far.And the Brit has a point, people are free to have all these guns because King George was a dick.Fuck, just yesterday another 60 year old was busted with a school shooting plot right here in the good ole USA. Guy only had 41 guns....
by e0y2e3 » Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:56 am
by peeker643 » Mon Dec 17, 2012 12:05 pm
The gun laws of California are some of the strictest in the United States. A Handgun Safety Certificate, obtained by passing a written test, is required for handgun purchases, although there are exemptions to this requirement. Handguns sold by dealers must be "California legal" by being listed on the state's roster of handguns certified for sale. Private sales of firearms must be done through a licensed dealer. All firearm sales are recorded by the state, and have a ten-day waiting period. Unlike most other states, California has no provision in its state constitution that explicitly guarantees an individual right to keep and bear arms. The California Supreme Court has maintained that most of California's restrictive gun laws are constitutional based on the fact that the state's constitution does not explicitly guarantee private citizens the right to purchase, possess, or carry firearms. However recent US Supreme Court decisions of Heller (2008) and McDonald (2010) established that the 2nd Amendment applied to all states within the Union, and many of California's gun laws are now being challenged in the federal courts.Semi-automatic firearms that the state has classified as assault weapons, .50 BMG caliber rifles, and magazines that can hold more than ten rounds of ammunition may not be sold in California. Possession of automatic firearms, and of short-barreled shotguns and rifles, is generally prohibited.California is a "may-issue" state for permits to carry concealed guns. The willingness of issuing authorities in California ranges from No-Issue in most urban areas to Shall-Issue in rural counties. However, concealed carry permits are valid statewide, regardless of where they were issued. California does not recognize concealed carry permits issued by other states, and non-residents are generally forbidden from obtaining a California concealed carry permit.California has state preemption for many, but not all, firearms laws. Actual enforcement of California's firearms laws also varies widely across the state. Urban areas, such as the San Francisco and Los Angeles metropolitan areas strictly enforce firearms laws, and some communities within these areas have passed local ordinances that make legally owning a firearm difficult. Meanwhile, some rural jurisdictions are narrowly enforcing the same firearms laws by targeting only those who demonstrate malicious intent, or not enforcing portions of the state's firearms laws at all.
e0y2e3 wrote:Nationalizing California's plan is hell of a start. NYC has a similar plan in place. How about DC? You know, the city that was a war zone in 1990 but is now one of the safer cities in the US? The same city where CC is illegal and that you aren't allowed to have a gun outside of your home? We have plenty of domestic examples to follow for building toward a better future. Lets be real, the only reason this discussion is even coming up now is because instead of people dying in low income areas and/or people murdering their wife/husband/mother/prostitute/mistress now the victims are suburban white kids, something everyone that has turned a blind eye to the need (and success) of gun control is the US has to acknowledge..... it just so happens that incidents like this are also the least likely to be stopped (whereas the daily homicide rate can be impacted, greatly).If you want a plan, I'd start with the states and cities here that have had undeniable success and go from there.And I never said meltdown all the guns, I'm fully aware that making an order like that here would do nothing more than start a civil war. Though I could make a strong argument that a civil war would be in this countries best interests.........
by dem425 » Mon Dec 17, 2012 2:38 pm
by e0y2e3 » Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:23 pm
by peeker643 » Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:48 pm
e0y2e3 wrote:Well, if our broke ass country that can't afford text books for many schools (not to mention to pay teachers more than shit) is now going to assume the financial responsibility of paying for universal high quality security we might as well just start shutting down schools (like 50% of the existing schools) and give up on finding the money to get our education system to a place where we are actually able to compete with the foreign countries that have passed us.Because, you know, 2nd Amendment!! Fuck it, you fucks wants your guns and CCs let's just institute a gun tax where you have to pay 1,000 (per gun) a month for the right to own handgun. You all can pay it and anyone registered as owning a handgun has to pay. Anyone not registered as owning a handgun and caught with one can go to jail for ten years. And the semi-autos and autos, well, I guess you can have those for $5,000 a month per gun. And if you don't want to pay the tax we'll throw in a gun buyback program similar to what NYC did this weekend (of course, all buybacks will be funded by the Death Toy Tax).You wanted to own toys capable of killing, pay for it. Same concept as the sin taxes, just on an annualized basis since these toys actually kill... well.... others.
by e0y2e3 » Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:53 pm
by e0y2e3 » Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:56 pm
by dem425 » Mon Dec 17, 2012 4:07 pm
by peeker643 » Mon Dec 17, 2012 4:18 pm
by e0y2e3 » Mon Dec 17, 2012 4:22 pm
by e0y2e3 » Mon Dec 17, 2012 4:23 pm
dem425 wrote:I apologize if I didn't write clearly. I know that "broke-ass school systems" cannot afford "highly trained security". I simply meant that increasing the price of guns significantly could possibly finance school security. In essence, those that want to pay to own guns would be paying for that security in the schools..Dude, sometimes you do go off half-cocked............
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