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Jarvis Jones * and the 3-4

Unread postby Govbarney » Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:29 am

There's not a Big Board , or Mock Draft. That does not have this guy as not only the top Defensive Pass rusher in the CFB (Which I think everyone agrees is a huge need), but also in most cases the #1 guy coming off the board. However they all say the same thing: "he projects to be a 3-4 OLB."

If The Browns are in a position to draft him (which is still a big if with as bad as the bottom of the barrel is this year). Do we:
A) Convert him into a 4-3 DE.
B) Keep him as a OLB in the 4-3
C) Switch to a 3-4 D, to showcase this kids talent. Bare in mind Banner said last week that changing schemes is in not off the table.

Sidenote: If the Browns are not in a position to get Jones I think they should target
Damontre Moore. He projects to be a great fit for a 4-3 DE, and has already racked up 9.5 sacks.
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Re: Jarvis Jones * and the 3-4

Unread postby Hikohadon » Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:49 am

They projected Von Miller to a 3-4 OLB and he's doing just fine in Denver's 4-3. Good players make a difference no matter the scheme.

I also know that Heckert likes his 4-3 DE's to be lighter, around 250-260, so I think he'd probably play a situational DE here despite the fact that he's smaller.

Totally agree with using the first pick on a pass rusher.
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Re: Jarvis Jones * and the 3-4

Unread postby mattvan1 » Thu Oct 25, 2012 10:11 am

Hikohadon wrote:They projected Von Miller to a 3-4 OLB and he's doing just fine in Denver's 4-3. Good players make a difference no matter the scheme.

I also know that Heckert likes his 4-3 DE's to be lighter, around 250-260, so I think he'd probably play a situational DE here despite the fact that he's smaller.

Totally agree with using the first pick on a pass rusher.


I fear if Heckert drafts the kid it's going to be for a team other than Cleveland.

Your point on Von Miller is a great one.
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Re: Jarvis Jones * and the 3-4

Unread postby Govbarney » Thu Oct 25, 2012 10:15 am

Hikohadon wrote:They projected Von Miller to a 3-4 OLB and he's doing just fine in Denver's 4-3. Good players make a difference no matter the scheme.

I also know that Heckert likes his 4-3 DE's to be lighter, around 250-260, so I think he'd probably play a situational DE here despite the fact that he's smaller.

Totally agree with using the first pick on a pass rusher.


Not everybody adapts with the ease Von Miller has , though from my understanding its easier to convert from a 3-4 OLB to a 4-3 DE, then the other way around.
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Re: Jarvis Jones * and the 3-4

Unread postby Hikohadon » Thu Oct 25, 2012 11:01 am

Govbarney wrote:
Hikohadon wrote:They projected Von Miller to a 3-4 OLB and he's doing just fine in Denver's 4-3. Good players make a difference no matter the scheme.

I also know that Heckert likes his 4-3 DE's to be lighter, around 250-260, so I think he'd probably play a situational DE here despite the fact that he's smaller.

Totally agree with using the first pick on a pass rusher.


Not everybody adapts with the ease Von Miller has , though from my understanding its easier to convert from a 3-4 OLB to a 4-3 DE, then the other way around.


It's also easier to adapt when you're ridiculously talented, which any pass rusher we draft in the Top 5 better be.
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Re: Jarvis Jones * and the 3-4

Unread postby TouchEmAllTime » Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:19 pm

I hope we accumulate more picks for the first overall.
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Re: Jarvis Jones * and the 3-4

Unread postby Gradysmanldy » Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:38 pm

Unless it's a trade down for 2-3 spots for an extra 1st or a few seconds, i'm not in favor of trading down this year. This team needs immediate, impact players on defense; ELITE DE, LB, DB. (In that order)

That being said, if we switch defensive schemes, we're fucked and we might as well trade down to accumulate talent because the defense is 2-3 years away from being useful at that point anyway. Will need to replace half the starters.
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Re: Jarvis Jones * and the 3-4

Unread postby leadpipe » Thu Oct 25, 2012 4:36 pm

Govbarney wrote:
Hikohadon wrote:They projected Von Miller to a 3-4 OLB and he's doing just fine in Denver's 4-3. Good players make a difference no matter the scheme.

I also know that Heckert likes his 4-3 DE's to be lighter, around 250-260, so I think he'd probably play a situational DE here despite the fact that he's smaller.

Totally agree with using the first pick on a pass rusher.


Not everybody adapts with the ease Von Miller has , though from my understanding its easier to convert from a 3-4 OLB to a 4-3 DE, then the other way around.


I would argue that if you're worried about whether the guy could adapt to a particular type of defense you should disregard taking him top 5. The LT's and DT's of the world.....get em' out on the field, they'll find the QB.
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Re: Jarvis Jones * and the 3-4

Unread postby CAVSTRIBEBROWNSin07! » Thu Oct 25, 2012 4:37 pm

Is Jarvis Jones of the same caliber prospect as Von Miller was?
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Re: Jarvis Jones * and the 3-4

Unread postby Gradysmanldy » Thu Oct 25, 2012 5:25 pm

One of the only consensus top 5 guys i've heard about thus far.
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Re: Jarvis Jones * and the 3-4

Unread postby fairvis » Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:20 pm

Gradysmanldy wrote:One of the only consensus top 5 guys i've heard about thus far.


On D, it's Jones, Mingo, and Montgomery along with that DT from Utah. Geno and Barkley have also been in top-5/10 conversation.

I'd be happy with either three of Jones, Mingo, and Montgomery. If we dropped down a few spots, I wouldn't even mind Manti Teo, even though he's on the inside.
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Re: Jarvis Jones * and the 3-4

Unread postby Gradysmanldy » Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:32 pm

I love watching Teo play; kid is an absolute monster.
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Re: Jarvis Jones * and the 3-4

Unread postby Hikohadon » Thu Oct 25, 2012 8:26 pm

fairvis wrote:
Gradysmanldy wrote:One of the only consensus top 5 guys i've heard about thus far.


On D, it's Jones, Mingo, and Montgomery along with that DT from Utah. Geno and Barkley have also been in top-5/10 conversation.

I'd be happy with either three of Jones, Mingo, and Montgomery. If we dropped down a few spots, I wouldn't even mind Manti Teo, even though he's on the inside.


If they decide to go to a 3-4, he might be a strong consideration.
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Re: Jarvis Jones * and the 3-4

Unread postby bookelly » Fri Oct 26, 2012 5:33 pm

Teo is the prize. Kid just has a nose for the ball. Get the #1 pick, trade down and grab Manti.
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Re: Jarvis Jones * and the 3-4

Unread postby pod2dawg » Sat Oct 27, 2012 4:07 pm

Haven't seen Montgomery much.

I have watched Jones & Mingo a lot and they are as advertised but do disappear.


Teo doesn't ever disappear. He would make everyone around him better.
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Re: Jarvis Jones * and the 3-4

Unread postby Govbarney » Sat Oct 27, 2012 7:07 pm

Jarvis hasn't disappointed today , has been a total beast vs Florida so far. Scary good.
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Re: Jarvis Jones * and the 3-4

Unread postby CAVSTRIBEBROWNSin07! » Sun Oct 28, 2012 3:07 am

Gradysmanldy wrote:One of the only consensus top 5 guys i've heard about thus far.

That I am aware, but that does not say how his talent level compares to Miller's.
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Re: Jarvis Jones * and the 3-4

Unread postby fairvis » Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:45 pm

Jarvis was a beast today. 12 tackles, 2 sacks, 2 fumbles recovered. Teo was also a beast... 11 tackles and a pick.

I'd take them both. Big players putting up during a big game.
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Re: Jarvis Jones * and the 3-4

Unread postby Govbarney » Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:26 pm

Govbarney wrote:.....Jones projects as a 3-4 OLB......

If The Browns are in a position to draft him (Jones). Do we:
A) Convert him into a 4-3 DE.
B) Keep him as a OLB in the 4-3
C) Switch to a 3-4 D, to showcase this kids talent. Bare in mind Banner said last week that changing schemes is in not off the table.


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