Presidential Debates

[Orenthal]

Of course you can't...

[gotribe31]

Are you saying that you think Obama won the debate? Because that's the crux of the issue here.

No just that the loss wasn't as bad as the CNN poll made it out to be, which has been debunked.

Every poll I've see pretty much suggests he got his tail kicked. Do you have a "fair" poll that you'd prefer we see?

[Orenthal]

^Of course he doesn't...

[googleeph2]

I'll play!

O, I still can't get the grin off my face over the historic, one-sided nature of last week's debate.

[rebelwithoutaclue]

Are you saying that you think Obama won the debate? Because that's the crux of the issue here.

No just that the loss wasn't as bad as the CNN poll made it out to be, which has been debunked.

Every poll I've see pretty much suggests he got his tail kicked. Do you have a "fair" poll that you'd prefer we see?

^Of course he doesn't...

Reading comprehension is fun! Unlike most people, I can admit when I'm wrong.

[motherscratcher]

I don't care what side you're on, Biden if fucking hilarious.

[googleeph2]

Agree, but Biden 'won' imo.

[Ziner]

Biden seemed to present his argument better on everything but Libya. They look like fucking morons when it comes to that and Romney will destroy Obama on that on the big stage on Tuesday. However, the only memorable takeaway from this debate is how Biden laughed the entire time. Really didn't come off well, but it isnt going to really matter. This debate will do very little to nothing to affect the race.

[swerb]

I thought Biden was effective, and won the debate after the first 10 min on Libya ... where he looked like a fool.

You need to be aggressive to win debates. While Biden pushed the limits (was over the top, may push some people away), if you sit there and act polite and wait to be asked to speak ... you're gonna get steamrolled. Especially with moderators that allow it like these first two.

Thought Biden was effective on three fronts where the Dems have the public on their side: the war in Afghanistan, Medicare, and the tax cuts that Romney and Ryan can't explicitly explain how they are going to pay for.

I don't think Ryan did poorly, and would agree that this debate (like almost all VP debates) will have little impact on the polls that we'll see come out early next week. I think both guys held their own, avoided major gaffes, and showed that they're both clearly worthy of Vice President status.

Biden was a trip though. Don't agree on a lot policy wise with the guy, and it's real fun to bag on him, but only the most partisan Republicans would say this guy hasn't been an effective public servant that can walk the walk and talk the talk when it comes to any matters involving the military.

The god damn non stop out loud laughing and just blatant interrupting ... was just so over the top bat shit crazy. Reminded me of the Al Gore sigh-fest in debate II eight years ago ... that did end up hurting Gore. It hurt him in the polls, then in debate three, he was so cognizant of it that he kissed Bush's ass the whole time. This doesn't hurt the Obama ticket like that hurt the Gore ticket though.

The "my friend over here", "these guys", calling Romney "Romney" (instead of Governor) was funny too. I thought Biden was very effective the times he was talking to the camera, telling voters "use common sense", "think about it", and "has your Medicare been affected?" The piece where he busted Ryan on writing two letters asking for stimulus funds for his constituents was also effective, and something Ryan should have been better prepared for.

[googleeph2]

The aggressive, dismissive smiling and laughing put me off, but the Dems don't, and shouldn't, care about me. I think they are the phoniest, most cynically disingenuous anyway.

I think Biden's behavior was planned, and intentional. He bullied even when he ran out of things to say. As a way to keep talking, he'd repeat his last throwaway comment while Ryan-or the moderator- was starting to speak.

But my wife sat there while Biden was talking and said, "He's talking to the host as though he thinks he's this big ladies man." Today, I remembered that and wondered if it is more significant than I originally assumed. The women vote is apparently a big component in the swing states...

Edited to add:
http://ricochet.com/main-feed/You-Want- ... ost-Debate

[FUDU]

Rich, what do you think about Mitt's comments here:

http://now.msn.com/romney-says-people-dont-die-because-they-dont-have-insurance

"We don't have people who die because they don't have health insurance,"

[jerryroche]

I recorded post-debate proceedings on CNN, MSNBC and Fox News and watched them today.

CNN was easily the best. Strictly non-partisan—as opposed to MSNBC, which was nearly all-progressive-all-the-time with their usual gang of idiots (Maddow, Schultz, Sharpton, et.al.). CNN had a killer focus group with Erin Burnett, killer holographic graphics, well-balanced commentary from Wolf Blitzer, Anderson Cooper, John King, Gloria Borger, David Gergen, Paul Begala, Mary Matalin and even the notorious Van Jones. Fox News, like MSNBC, featured its usual gang of idiots — nothing special.

Think I'm going to watch CNN more often...

[e0y2e3]

Peter Berg coming out and telling Romney to stop ripping off his movie/show (Friday Night Lights) with his "Clear Eye, Full Hearts, Can't Lose" line is easily the funniest part of this campaign thus far.

I'm not sure what makes it funnier, Mitt using the FNL line or Berg sending him a scathing letter about it, but it's funny nonetheless.

http://www.avclub.com/articles/peter-be ... -hi,86623/

[googleeph2]

Think I'm going to watch CNN more often...

Really? I do see more shrillness in Fox lately. Used to be tamer, although maybe it's a product of the election season.

The reason Fox boomed of course was due to the void as Hollywood, universities, the old networks and even NPR leaned left. I don't watch Fox much, but can't stand the others. But maybe I'll give CNN a look.

[swerb]

CNN has been better. IMO, they leaned pretty heavily left 10 years ago for what they were trying to pass off as completely neutral. I like John Fox a lot. I watch pretty much 50% Fox, 40% CNN, 10% MSNBC.

[Commodore Perry]

Found myself watching CNN more because Erin Burnett is so girl next door hot.

She makes me feel all funny and awkward inside, just like Jim Kramer.

[dmiles]

Anderson Cooper was dissed by someone from the Obama administration and has been really a bulldog, not accepting the usual obfuscation from some of the spokespersons. Similarly Wolf Blitzer and Candy Crowley are no longer coming off as sycophants.

I think CNN looked around and said there is a market to be grabbed that isn't quite so partisan. I happened to watch Fox that night and it's the same old shit. Hannity makes me want to puke, though I'd say I admire how far he's gotten on the talent god blessed him with. I do believe he's a shining example of the Peter Principle. I can't even watch MSNBC as a classical liberal, progressives are my natural enemy. Someone flips on CNN during the day at the office in the break room and I realize it's a lot of makeup but I just can't take my eyes off of Brook Baldwin.

[googleeph2]

I need to check some of those ladies out, but man. Fox's hotties are legendary. One after another after another. It's unreal.

Hannity- I disagree. I guess I have a lot more to say than I have time for now.

[e0y2e3]

I need to check some of those ladies out, but man. Fox's hotties are legendary. One after another after another. It's unreal.

Hannity- I disagree. I guess I have a lot more to say than I have time for now.

If you respect FOX just save yourself the trouble (and dignity) and don't say anything. Trust.

[pod2dawg]

MSNBC & FOX is like watching cartoons.

[googleeph2]

If you respect FOX just save yourself the trouble (and dignity) and don't say anything. Trust.

What do you watch, for political stuff? Please be specific.

[Cerebral_DownTime]

If you respect FOX just save yourself the trouble (and dignity) and don't say anything. Trust.

What do you watch, for political stuff? Please be specific.

I watch The Young Turks on YouTube (no Current, eff Al Gore) and The Daily Show. Plus some other YouTube news channels.

[e0y2e3]

If you respect FOX just save yourself the trouble (and dignity) and don't say anything. Trust.

What do you watch, for political stuff? Please be specific.

Honestly, none of them. If I need to I'll try to deal with CNN.

Foreign policy, Al-Jazeera all-day.

[Commodore Perry]

I can't even watch MSNBC as a classical liberal, progressives are my natural enemy.

Curious, what do you define as a 'classical liberal'?

[dmiles]

I can't even watch MSNBC as a classical liberal, progressives are my natural enemy.

Curious, what do you define as a 'classical liberal'?

Being a bit of a smart-ass really as I actually don't tend to go around looking at different philosophies in an attempt to label myself but....

The wiki page does a pretty good job:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism

[googleeph2]

If you respect FOX just save yourself the trouble (and dignity) and don't say anything. Trust.

What do you watch, for political stuff? Please be specific.

Honestly, none of them. If I need to I'll try to deal with CNN.

Foreign policy, Al-Jazeera all-day.

Ha

I am sure you are open to views that counter the intolerant left, who won't debate subjects like Affordable Care (just pass it), tort reform (ignore it), global warming (accept that must be man-made).

Because otherwise, Oscar Wilde would find it ironic.

[Hikohadon]

The only thing more usless than Presidential debates would be Vice-Presidential debates.

[Orenthal]

Morgan Freeman I hate UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!

[Orenthal]

This guy is 100% class warfare. He GOTS NUTHING!

[Cerebral_DownTime]

No righty crowing today?

[jerryroche]

No righty crowing today?

Not now, not never. This election is much too important to be crowing over (even though libs are thoroughly enjoying the chance today).

On Nov. 7, we'll either be giving our thanks for the American people's fine judgment of the candidates, or we'll be praying that the nation survives four more years. At this point, one's about as likely as the other, even though Gallup is now giving Romney a 51%-45% lead among likely voters, margin of error ±2%.

[dmiles]

No righty crowing today?

I wouldn't say Willard won, what's to crow about? I don't think the debate mattered as much as the last one, but at least Obama got his base off of the ledge by going through this debate awake.

Do you think there will be much of a bump from this? I have maintained for weeks that Obama would lose so we shall see (meaning even before the debate-debacle). Too bad I was a puss and didn't drop a couple of G's on Intrade when they had it 80-20. I was basing that on the total lack of enthusiasm this time around which may result in poor turnout.

[googleeph2]

No righty crowing today?

This election is much too important to be crowing

Exactly. An election win would only cause relief. A loss is as yet unthinkable in terms of the consequences of the debt, etc.

[motherscratcher]

No righty crowing today?

This election is much too important to be crowing

Exactly. An election win would only cause relief. A loss is as yet unthinkable in terms of the consequences of the debt, etc.

Exactly. That's why it was so refreshing when there was no republican crowing after the first debate.

[Cerebral_DownTime]

^^^ Win.

The irony is staggering.

[FUDU]

You know what is staggering, the distrust that a voter feels b/c the media and the current admin play all these games with pertinent information that voters use to gauge and feel out candidates to make decisions. Like the recent update on last week's job report. Both parties do it when in office no doubt, but right now there is one admin in charge and they are a POS.

[googleeph2]

No righty crowing today?

This election is much too important to be crowing

Exactly. An election win would only cause relief. A loss is as yet unthinkable in terms of the consequences of the debt, etc.

Exactly. That's why it was so refreshing when there was no republican crowing after the first debate.

Fair enough

[googleeph2]

The irony is staggering.

Staggering? Because of how thoroughly Obama 'won'?

My take after the second debate is there still is reason to 'crow'.

The reaction to the first debate had a lot to do with Romney being a decided underdog. And nobody was accepting that a Romney 'win' would make a difference anyway. We had data back to 1980. I was being offered an explanation done in crayons, to help me understand this.

[Cerebral_DownTime]

The irony is staggering.

Staggering? Because of how thoroughly Obama 'won'?

My take after the second debate is there still is reason to 'crow'.

The reaction to the first debate had a lot to do with Romney being a decided underdog. And nobody was accepting that a Romney 'win' would make a difference anyway. We had data back to 1980. I was being offered an explanation done in crayons, to help me understand this.

I don't think you get what I find ironic in this whole thing.

[googleeph2]

I guess I don't. Do I want to? Maybe I need crayons after all.

[Orenthal]

^^^ Win.

The irony is staggering.

That excitement was cuz these tards had such a defeated attitude. Not me, nah, in the VP thread I called the Mitt landslide. One little pin prick (first debate) and the Obama cult of personality bubble burst. The EMP HAS NO CLOTHES!

Course, the "no crowing" attitude and the "this means too much" shit is more of the same defeatist bs.

^I got it :)

[googleeph2]

Wait - am I a tard because you saw me excited over thinking Romney suddenly had a shot, while you knew he did all along?

Or am I a tard because eye couldn't get through to me that a debate couldn't make a difference?

[Hikohadon]

I need to check some of those ladies out, but man. Fox's hotties are legendary. One after another after another. It's unreal.

Hannity- I disagree. I guess I have a lot more to say than I have time for now.

If you respect FOX just save yourself the trouble (and dignity) and don't say anything. Trust.

This.

I don't watch any of the outlets, but have been exposed to enough FoxNews to know it's so laughable imho that there need be no discussion about it since there can be no common ground.

[Hikohadon]

No righty crowing today?

This election is much too important to be crowing

Exactly. An election win would only cause relief. A loss is as yet unthinkable in terms of the consequences of the debt, etc.

Christ, the talking points. Every election I hear this same bullshit about how "important it is" or how "it's the most important since", when each election gets less and less important as Congress gets more and more polarized.

No matter who's elected, it'll take 'em 6 months to finally agree on the appetizers to be served at their sessions.

You could elect Lindsay Lohan and it would have the same effect on the nation.

[googleeph2]

Disagree.

What are your outlets for info, Hiko? Some vague YouTube sources, too?

Of the outlets you use, which specific ones give views other than mostly the view of the left, providing some balance to movies/entertainment TV/newspapers/universities/MSNBC/NBC/ABC/CBS?

And do you slavishly trust everything they serve up? Do you close yourself off from other sources? I didn't think so- and your identity shouldn't be tied to them. Same goes for me.

I hear CNN is an alternative to Fox for those who want to hear the other side. Sometime soon when I am watching TV, I'll try it. Is CNN it, then?

[Hikohadon]

Disagree.

What are your outlets for info, Hiko? Some vague YouTube sources, too?

Of the outlets you use, which specific ones give views other than mostly the view of the left, providing some balance to movies/entertainment TV/universities/MSNBC/NBC/ABC/CBS?

And do you slavishly trust everything they serve up? Do you close yourself off from other sources? I didn't think so- and your identity shouldn't be tied to them. Same goes for me.

I hear CNN is an alternative to Fox for those who want to hear the other side. Sometime soon when I am watching TV, I'll try it. Is CNN it, then?

I watch absolutely zero news programming on TV. This includes ESPN.

As far as internet, I can see how someone that thinks Fox is credible could view a news source as bland as CNN as "the other side", but I'm not a big fan. I usually go to BBC News US/Canada. I like to get my news sources from outside this country - little easier to see the forest when you're not in the trees.

I do think CNN has decent World coverage, which I frequent, but I never use it for anything US related.

I've never checked out Fox News' World coverage, but I'm not sure they know there is a world outside of the US so they might not even have that option.

But, to be honest, the less I pay attention the happier I am. If I'm lucky, by the time I'm 50 I'll live in a cabin in Wyoming without TV or internet or cell phone, just a lot of books, a lot of scotch, and a lot of guns. Or I'll be dead, which is fine too.

[googleeph2]

I like BBC America on PBS.

Fox's credibility- again, compared to what. I watch TV once a week or so. Honestly don't know alternatives.

Agree on ESPN. Do not watch. I come here first for sports. The people here inform me, including your stuff. If I see links here to things that interest me, I'll go there.

[Hikohadon]

Oh, I forgot, the Weather Channel has like 5 minute snippets of non-weather news which usually satisfies. Too quick to inject opinions, enough info that if I want to know more, I can read about it online.

And sometimes I'll listen to NPR news on the radio on the way to drop my daughters off at school (30 minute drive), but only if it's interesting (iffy) and only if sports talk radio is discussing something stupid.

[jerryroche]

And sometimes I'll listen to NPR news on the radio on the way to drop my daughters off at school (30 minute drive), but only if it's interesting (iffy) and only if sports talk radio is discussing something stupid.

So you're saying that you spend most of your time listening to NPR?

[Hikohadon]

And sometimes I'll listen to NPR news on the radio on the way to drop my daughters off at school (30 minute drive), but only if it's interesting (iffy) and only if sports talk radio is discussing something stupid.

So you're saying that you spend most of your time listening to NPR?

Actually, I spend most of my morning drive listening to 97.5. It's the only station playing music at 7:30 am, apparently.

Then during commercials (or if I don't like the song), I check 850. What's Greenberg talking about? LeBron again? Next. 1350. Artrell Hawkins and some other somewhat annoying guy. Are they talking football? No, they're discussing Tiger Woods. Next. 92.3? Hell no, not while Chuck Booms is employed. I don't even bother trying that one. Next. NPR. Anything interesting? Nope, they're airing the opinions of college students about the presidential candidates. Like I care. Next.

And... back to 97.5. Just in time for the commercial to end.