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by British_Pharaoh » Thu Aug 16, 2012 7:40 pm
by Orenthal » Thu Aug 16, 2012 8:18 pm
by mattvan1 » Thu Aug 16, 2012 8:49 pm
by Fire Marshall Bill 2.0 » Thu Aug 16, 2012 10:02 pm
by Cerebral_DownTime » Thu Aug 16, 2012 10:43 pm
by Hikohadon » Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:04 pm
by British_Pharaoh » Fri Aug 17, 2012 6:55 am
by Fire Marshall Bill 2.0 » Fri Aug 17, 2012 8:58 am
by danwismar » Fri Aug 17, 2012 10:12 am
by gotribe31 » Fri Aug 17, 2012 11:26 am
British_Pharaoh wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19281492The UK government is going to extreme lengths to arrest a man wanted for ‘questioning’ over, clearly spurious, sexual assault allegations and for skipping his bail. Why does the UK Foreign Office wish to jeopardise its relations with the countries of Latin America and completely alienate Ecuador over this man? As editor-in-chief of Wikileaks he broke no law (even in the US) when he released over 250,000 diplomatic cables. Yet William Hague is still steadfast in his desire to have him arrested and extradited to Sweden on, in my opinion, fabricated sexual assault charges. Like any other politician who seeks to do something that is only in his government’s, or the governments of his allies, interests he is hiding behind the international laws that call on European nations to extradite those who are wanted by other European states, but it is becoming clear that this huge effort is at the instigation of America. President Obama has been virulent in his condemnation of Wikileaks and its editor-in-chief, Assange. Sweden already has a history of handing over asylum seekers to the CIA for extraordinary rendition; since the USA won’t be able to – or at least shouldn’t be able to, due to European and human rights laws – apply for his extradition to the US given that he could face the death penalty on charges of espionage, it is likely that Sweden will do the same again and hand him over. I believe the charges are farcical, and simply a pretext for the USA to circumvent the restrictions imposed on any desire for extradition. Assange would not receive a fair trial given the nature of the confidential and secret US diplomatic cables he leaked. Any case against him will portray him as a terrorist, and his actions as a breach of national security etc (you know all the clever manipulation of language that America uses to get its populace on side and hysterical.) And….well it’s America.I’m embarrased at the UK government’s attempts at coercion and its conduct towards Ecuador and even more infuriated that they are doing the USA’s bidding. We are not mercenary State that you can just hire out to do America's dirty and illegal work.
by Hikohadon » Fri Aug 17, 2012 11:42 am
British_Pharaoh wrote:I was expecting insular and vacuous comments on this. I forgot that Americans prefer to be both deaf and blind.
by Cerebral_DownTime » Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:05 pm
18 USC 739
by gotribe31 » Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:18 pm
Cerebral_DownTime wrote:18 USC 739I copy/paste the exact numbers and Google came back with a bunch of nothing. Some shit about bank robbery.
by Cerebral_DownTime » Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:25 pm
by gotribe31 » Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:37 pm
Cerebral_DownTime wrote:You can't stop leaks.
by exiledbuckeye » Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:58 pm
by peeker643 » Fri Aug 17, 2012 2:51 pm
by pup » Fri Aug 17, 2012 11:49 pm
peeker643 wrote:Cerebral_DownTime wrote:You can't stop leaks.Dumbass.
by British_Pharaoh » Sun Aug 19, 2012 9:30 am
danwismar wrote:Whatever else you can say about Assange, two things are hardly debatable:He's a dick.He hates America.BP has one good point. The sex charges, unfounded or justified, seem like a convenient pretext to punish the little dick for something.His tactics are dangerous though, even if nobody has been killed yet...that we know of. When you release hundreds of thousands of supposedly confidential documents without knowing what's in them, diplomats and sources and others are potentially put in danger. What is satisfying to me is that his project blew up in his face.First, he set out to embarrass and shame America. What the diplomatic cables reveal though, for the most part, is that career American foreign service people are smart, capable and principled, and they are excellent writers and communicators. The last point this silly little narcissist doesn't get is this. He purports to be anti-war...natch...and the art of diplomacy is what civilized countries undertake in order to avoid conflict, armed and otherwise. His "work" undermines the necessary confidentiality and secrecy that diplomats rely on. He makes diplomats and governments less likely to engage in the kinds of behind closed doors frankness and honesty that makes diplomacy work. He undermines diplomacy through his actions, thus making conflict and/or war more, not less likely.Thanks, dick.
by gotribe31 » Sun Aug 19, 2012 11:25 am
by Cerebral_DownTime » Sun Aug 19, 2012 1:46 pm
gotribe31 wrote:Yes, no doubt he read all 250,000 of those cables. Right.
by Cerebral_DownTime » Sun Aug 19, 2012 2:18 pm
by Orenthal » Sun Aug 19, 2012 4:27 pm
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