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Unread postby bookelly » Thu Aug 16, 2012 3:12 am

Here's a thread for all those great morale building calls and quotes from our anointed SHUR:

Today he said Cribbs is "on his back 9" - PD



I know there are countless other gems. Feel free to add your favorites. Guy seems to make a living off of showing fear and calling his players out in the media.

We need a log...to send to Berea Human Resources at the end of the year.

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Re: SHUR

Unread postby LakeErieWarriors » Thu Aug 16, 2012 6:28 am

I'm not sure which is worse, the moral buster, or the fact that he thinks Cribbs is on the back 9 of his career, when in actuality he's on the 17th green.
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Unread postby peeker643 » Thu Aug 16, 2012 9:27 am

LakeErieWarriors wrote:I'm not sure which is worse, the moral buster, or the fact that he thinks Cribbs is on the back 9 of his career, when in actuality he's on the 17th green.


Exactly.

Cribbs was, is and always will be a decent football player who was a shitty WR and who's no longer feared as KR-PR because he has no 4th gear.

Very good gunner, strong, instinctive, tough as hell.

I already said I would not be at all surprised if he didn't make this team. He will because of P-K cover value and his cheap deal, but he's not a guy people game plan for any more in the kicking game and he never was in the receiving game.

Plus he doesn't shut the fuck up.
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Re: SHUR

Unread postby motherscratcher » Thu Aug 16, 2012 9:39 am

peeker643 wrote:
LakeErieWarriors wrote:I'm not sure which is worse, the moral buster, or the fact that he thinks Cribbs is on the back 9 of his career, when in actuality he's on the 17th green.


Exactly.

Cribbs was, is and always will be a decent football player who was a shitty WR and who's no longer feared as KR-PR because he has no 4th gear.

Very good gunner, strong, instinctive, tough as hell.

I already said I would not be at all surprised if he didn't make this team. He will because of P-K cover value and his cheap deal, but he's not a guy people game plan for any more in the kicking game and he never was in the receiving game.

Plus he doesn't shut the fuck up.


Wait, I'm pretty sure I heard the guys on the radio yesterday say (about 1,000 times) that Cribbs is a playmaker who needs to be more involved in the offense and we have to get the ball into his hands. And those guys are experts so....
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Re: SHUR

Unread postby Hikohadon » Thu Aug 16, 2012 9:48 am

Are we talking about "morals" or "morale" here?

I personally like to see myself as a moral buster too. But I try to keep morale up.
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Re: SHUR

Unread postby peeker643 » Thu Aug 16, 2012 9:51 am

motherscratcher wrote:
peeker643 wrote:
LakeErieWarriors wrote:I'm not sure which is worse, the moral buster, or the fact that he thinks Cribbs is on the back 9 of his career, when in actuality he's on the 17th green.


Exactly.

Cribbs was, is and always will be a decent football player who was a shitty WR and who's no longer feared as KR-PR because he has no 4th gear.

Very good gunner, strong, instinctive, tough as hell.

I already said I would not be at all surprised if he didn't make this team. He will because of P-K cover value and his cheap deal, but he's not a guy people game plan for any more in the kicking game and he never was in the receiving game.

Plus he doesn't shut the fuck up.


Wait, I'm pretty sure I heard the guys on the radio yesterday say (about 1,000 times) that Cribbs is a playmaker who needs to be more involved in the offense and we have to get the ball into his hands. And those guys are experts so....


Maybe it was all of his zero KR TDs from last year? The problem with fans of this team are that they believe or can be convinced that mediocrity in the face of worse than mediocrity makes mediocrity great.
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Re: SHUR

Unread postby FUDU » Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:24 am

Mediocre post ^
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Unread postby jb » Thu Aug 16, 2012 12:53 pm

MUR!!!!!!

Oh, this wasn't an Eric Fingerhut thing?

two thoughts:

1. They never seem to fall all that far from the tree, do they? Paddy McNephew IIRC was O capitain for Sparty, was he not? Who was his role model as HC? Tells you all you need to know.

The next one will be "a players coach" if Browns form holds true.

2. I keep telling people to think it through: I would not be surprised one iota if Josh Cribbs does not make this roster. Not at all.

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Re: SHUR

Unread postby Hikohadon » Thu Aug 16, 2012 1:43 pm

The same ones that flip out about Cribbs getting cut b/c he no longer has enough value are the same ones that flip out that Colty didn't get his "fair shot".

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Re: SHUR

Unread postby Spin » Thu Aug 16, 2012 4:09 pm

bookelly wrote:Here's a thread for all those great moral building calls and quotes from our anointed SHUR:

Today he said Cribbs is "on his back 9" - PD



I know there are countless other gems. Feel free to add your favorites. Guy seems to make a living off of showing fear and calling his players out in the media.

We need a log...to send to Berea Human Resources at the end of the year.


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Re: SHUR

Unread postby bookelly » Mon Sep 10, 2012 1:18 am

When he held up his single finger today to get Phil to make it 16-10 I fucking lost it. I'm sorry guys, but SHUR is the worst FUCKING coach in the history of the NFL.
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Re: SHUR

Unread postby andrew6586 » Mon Sep 10, 2012 10:40 am

What made it worse was when Tomlin went for 2 with more time left in the fourth quarter last night for the Steelers. Horrible call. Horrible play calling too.
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Unread postby rebelwithoutaclue » Mon Sep 10, 2012 12:56 pm

bookelly wrote:When he held up his single finger today to get Phil to make it 16-10 I fucking lost it. I'm sorry guys, but SHUR is the worst FUCKING coach in the history of the NFL.



The bad part is, most of us knew this even before the decision to go for 1.
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Unread postby OldDawg » Mon Sep 10, 2012 1:24 pm

I was disappointed in the decision to go for 1 also. However, in Shur's case, was it a decision to not go for two, or a realization that they couldn't get two. I mean, he watched the same miserable offense we did all day yesterday. The way they were playing, they had less than a 7% chance to make a two-point conversion as it was.
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Unread postby peeker643 » Mon Sep 10, 2012 1:52 pm

OldDawg wrote:I was disappointed in the decision to go for 1 also. However, in Shur's case, was it a decision to not go for two, or a realization that they couldn't get two. I mean, he watched the same miserable offense we did all day yesterday. The way they were playing, they had less than a 7% chance to make a two-point conversion as it was.


If that's the case they should just send Reggie Hodges out on first down each series.

Maybe someone fumbles 3 or 4 of his 18 punts and they can kick a field goal.
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Re: SHUR

Unread postby bookelly » Fri Sep 28, 2012 2:44 am

*Bump

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Unread postby pod2dawg » Fri Sep 28, 2012 8:24 am

peeker643 wrote:
If that's the case they should just send Reggie Hodges out on first down each series.

Maybe someone fumbles 3 or 4 of his 18 punts and they can kick a field goal.


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Re: SHUR

Unread postby Hikohadon » Fri Sep 28, 2012 9:12 am

bookelly wrote:*Bump

Discuss.


I'm not sure you're going to find a pro-Shurmur point of view.
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Re: SHUR

Unread postby peeker643 » Fri Sep 28, 2012 9:18 am

Hikohadon wrote:
bookelly wrote:*Bump

Discuss.


I'm not sure you're going to find a pro-Shurmur point of view.


I'm not sure why anyone would or if they could.

Loved the timeout plan at the end of the half yesterday in conjunction with the play calling. A combo that provided the Ravens with the only possible way to get the ball back with a chance to score at the end of the half.

Someone ought to check that fucking moron for a concussion. He's conscious, but I'd bet he's a 3 on the Glasgow Coma Scale himself.
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Unread postby mattvan1 » Fri Sep 28, 2012 12:09 pm

peeker643 wrote:
Hikohadon wrote:
bookelly wrote:*Bump

Discuss.


I'm not sure you're going to find a pro-Shurmur point of view.


I'm not sure why anyone would or if they could.

Loved the timeout plan at the end of the half yesterday in conjunction with the play calling. A combo that provided the Ravens with the only possible way to get the ball back with a chance to score at the end of the half.

Someone ought to check that fucking moron for a concussion. He's conscious, but I'd bet he's a 3 on the Glasgow Coma Scale himself.


He did get an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty called on him yesterday, so at least we know he has a pulse and can speak.
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Re: SHUR

Unread postby peeker643 » Fri Sep 28, 2012 12:30 pm

mattvan1 wrote:
peeker643 wrote:
Hikohadon wrote:
bookelly wrote:*Bump

Discuss.


I'm not sure you're going to find a pro-Shurmur point of view.


I'm not sure why anyone would or if they could.

Loved the timeout plan at the end of the half yesterday in conjunction with the play calling. A combo that provided the Ravens with the only possible way to get the ball back with a chance to score at the end of the half.

Someone ought to check that fucking moron for a concussion. He's conscious, but I'd bet he's a 3 on the Glasgow Coma Scale himself.


He did get an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty called on him yesterday, so at least we know he has a pulse and can speak.


Or an official tripped over his lifeless body that had fallen into the field of play.
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Re: SHUR

Unread postby bookelly » Fri Sep 28, 2012 1:52 pm

peeker643 wrote:
mattvan1 wrote:
peeker643 wrote:
Hikohadon wrote:
bookelly wrote:*Bump

Discuss.


I'm not sure you're going to find a pro-Shurmur point of view.


I'm not sure why anyone would or if they could.

Loved the timeout plan at the end of the half yesterday in conjunction with the play calling. A combo that provided the Ravens with the only possible way to get the ball back with a chance to score at the end of the half.

Someone ought to check that fucking moron for a concussion. He's conscious, but I'd bet he's a 3 on the Glasgow Coma Scale himself.




He did get an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty called on him yesterday, so at least we know he has a pulse and can speak.


Or an official tripped over his lifeless body that had fallen into the field of play.


I love how even when he does the right thing, in this case getting in the officials face about a bad call, he STILL manages to fuck it up. He's Inspector Clouseau minus the knack for getting it right in the end. Sorry guys, but I just fucking HATE him. An irrational hatred for sure, but damn...there is real talent on this team, and all I see is a coach WAY out of his depth.

/or should I say..."Chief" Inspector Clouseau.
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Re: SHUR

Unread postby pod2dawg » Fri Sep 28, 2012 5:26 pm

I'm not a hater per se. I see SHUR kind of like I did the replacement reffs.
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Unread postby Pabo » Sat Sep 29, 2012 9:45 am

I hate Shurmur too. Everything about him. But wait until you get a load of the next imbecile this clown organization brings in. Whoever that poor soul is might very well make ol' Fritz look like a rocket surgeon.
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Unread postby bookelly » Mon Oct 08, 2012 8:27 am

"When one bad play happens to start that stretch, then you've got to, boom, stop the bleeding and everybody make their next best play and then you get back on the stick and you're rolling," said Shurmur. "We can't let it snowball like it did."

/And exactly who's job would that be SHUR? Seems to me you're looking around for somebody else to lead. Guess what buddy? It's YOUR JOB asshat. (mooning)
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Unread postby justmebd » Mon Oct 08, 2012 9:18 am

bookelly wrote:"When one bad play happens to start that stretch, then you've got to, boom, stop the bleeding and everybody make their next best play and then you get back on the stick and you're rolling," said Shurmur. "We can't let it snowball like it did."

/And exactly who's job would that be SHUR? Seems to me you're looking around for somebody else to lead. Guess what buddy? It's YOUR JOB asshat. (mooning)

I had the misfortune of listening to the entire postgame presser and . . . wow. At times he sounded like he was going to cry, other times he started sounding like Derek Anderson right before his "This is not funny!" tirade.

There aren't enough Cpt. Picard Facepalm Gifs in the world to get through a transcript of a postgame Shurmur Presser.
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Unread postby Govbarney » Mon Oct 08, 2012 10:07 am

justmebd wrote:
bookelly wrote:"When one bad play happens to start that stretch, then you've got to, boom, stop the bleeding and everybody make their next best play and then you get back on the stick and you're rolling," said Shurmur. "We can't let it snowball like it did."

/And exactly who's job would that be SHUR? Seems to me you're looking around for somebody else to lead. Guess what buddy? It's YOUR JOB asshat. (mooning)

I had the misfortune of listening to the entire postgame presser and . . . wow. At times he sounded like he was going to cry, other times he started sounding like Derek Anderson right before his "This is not funny!" tirade.

There aren't enough Cpt. Picard Facepalm Gifs in the world to get through a transcript of a postgame Shurmur Presser.


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Unread postby Larvell Blanks » Tue Oct 09, 2012 8:53 am

After the Monday afternoon presser, I'm kinda hoping he stays on because the melting in front of our eyes will make for must see tv. :pop:

Now that he, supposedly, has emailed members of the media questioning why they wrote a derogatory piece about him, to the sarcasm and challenging the media during his press conferences, his descent to totally out of control could rival that of Tony Montana's or Julian Wells in Less than Zero.
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Unread postby leadpipe » Tue Oct 09, 2012 9:06 am

Overmatched.

On the field and off.

A common characteristic of a good coach......a good leader, is that they don't give a shit about what people THINK they are doing - especially the media, cause they have confidence in their actions.

And this is being noticed, and talked about in that lockeroom. Guaranteed.
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Re: SHUR

Unread postby Govbarney » Tue Oct 09, 2012 9:20 am

If Haslem has a heart he shit cans this guy the moment he takes control, and puts Jouron in as interm. Not that I think Jouron will do any better, but at least he has been through the ringer before. At this point Shur needs to think about his future, if this train wreck gets anymore out of control it could jeopardize his ability to land another NFL gig. And I doubt ESPN will rescue him , like it did Mangenie.
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Unread postby Commodore Perry » Tue Oct 09, 2012 2:00 pm

This breakdown by SHUR is making it nearly impossible for Haslam to keep Holmgren. Every day its looking like a worse and worse decision. Indefensible.
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Re: SHUR

Unread postby gotribe31 » Tue Oct 09, 2012 6:19 pm

My favorite part was when he pushed Weeden in front of the bus for throwing the pick on 3rd and 1. Should Weeds have thrown the ball away? Absolutely. Should the immobile, rookie QB have ever been put in that situation with that abomination of a play call? Absolutely not. Part of getting players, ESPECIALLY young players, to succeed is putting them in the position to make a play. DUR does the exact opposite of that with an alarming level of consistency.

He'd almost be better off going opposite day with his play calls, a la George Costanza. Have Holmgren, Chilly and company get togehter and come up with the "opposite" offensive play for every play in the playbook. So when DUR looks at the playsheet in his hand, he makes what he thinks is the right call, then flips it upside down and sends in the opposite play. Can't hurt at this point.
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Unread postby municipalmutt » Tue Oct 09, 2012 7:08 pm

Does this man inspire confidence?


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Unread postby Triple-S » Tue Oct 09, 2012 9:03 pm

I ran into someone today saying we shouldn't fire this guy due to the fact is that all we do is fire coaches.

He then cited Belichick and Kubiak as an example as to why you never give up on a coach.

you know...no. Belichick wasn't some random oc of a 7-9 when he wasn't chosen to be a Head Coach. He was a defensive genius that was the architect of two giants super bowl runs. He also had some form of a plan, and at the very least? You could kind of see what the guy was doing. He also didn't have the Browns as an outright embarrassment within his first two years of coaching the Browns.

I could certainly buy this argument if this was referring to Mangini year 2. Again, a guy that was showing some promise, and had some sense of how to run a team. Not perfect mind you, but at least the games were fairly well controlled.

You could also argue with a lot of coaches list, the Chris Palmers and Eric Mangini's had nothing to work with. It's hard to blame a guy who's runningback is Terry Kirby and QB is Spergyon Wynn. This guy? He's got a decent defensive, a QB with some potential and a rookie stud RB with a developing young line.

But the playcalling? atrocious. He's cost them games because of it. Time for him to go, and I mean yesterday.
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Re: SHUR

Unread postby justmebd » Tue Oct 09, 2012 9:14 pm

Triple-S wrote:I ran into someone today saying we shouldn't fire this guy due to the fact is that all we do is fire coaches.

He then cited Belichick and Kubiak as an example as to why you never give up on a coach.

you know...no. Belichick wasn't some random oc of a 7-9 when he wasn't chosen to be a Head Coach. He was a defensive genius that was the architect of two giants super bowl runs. He also had some form of a plan, and at the very least? You could kind of see what the guy was doing. He also didn't have the Browns as an outright embarrassment within his first two years of coaching the Browns.

I could certainly buy this argument if this was referring to Mangini year 2. Again, a guy that was showing some promise, and had some sense of how to run a team. Not perfect mind you, but at least the games were fairly well controlled.

You could also argue with a lot of coaches list, the Chris Palmers and Eric Mangini's had nothing to work with. It's hard to blame a guy who's runningback is Terry Kirby and QB is Spergyon Wynn. This guy? He's got a decent defensive, a QB with some potential and a rookie stud RB with a developing young line.

But the playcalling? atrocious. He's cost them games because of it. Time for him to go, and I mean yesterday.

I always got ticked at Mangini for two reasons:
1. He should have been a great coach here, but he kept shooting himself in the foot in just about every way imaginable, and I think his "grand plan" was about as good as the Cylon's plan in BSG. Getting rid of Romeo Crennell's schmoes and replacing them with his schmoes still left Cleveland with a team full of asshat, no-talent schmoes.
2. Brian FUCKING Daboll.
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Re: SHUR

Unread postby gotribe31 » Tue Oct 09, 2012 9:37 pm

swerb wrote:Image


Dust off your old "Romeo" folder on your desktop, Rich?
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Re: SHUR

Unread postby bac5665 » Wed Oct 10, 2012 11:08 am

justmebd wrote:
Triple-S wrote:I ran into someone today saying we shouldn't fire this guy due to the fact is that all we do is fire coaches.

He then cited Belichick and Kubiak as an example as to why you never give up on a coach.

you know...no. Belichick wasn't some random oc of a 7-9 when he wasn't chosen to be a Head Coach. He was a defensive genius that was the architect of two giants super bowl runs. He also had some form of a plan, and at the very least? You could kind of see what the guy was doing. He also didn't have the Browns as an outright embarrassment within his first two years of coaching the Browns.

I could certainly buy this argument if this was referring to Mangini year 2. Again, a guy that was showing some promise, and had some sense of how to run a team. Not perfect mind you, but at least the games were fairly well controlled.

You could also argue with a lot of coaches list, the Chris Palmers and Eric Mangini's had nothing to work with. It's hard to blame a guy who's runningback is Terry Kirby and QB is Spergyon Wynn. This guy? He's got a decent defensive, a QB with some potential and a rookie stud RB with a developing young line.

But the playcalling? atrocious. He's cost them games because of it. Time for him to go, and I mean yesterday.

I always got ticked at Mangini for two reasons:
1. He should have been a great coach here, but he kept shooting himself in the foot in just about every way imaginable, and I think his "grand plan" was about as good as the Cylon's plan in BSG. Getting rid of Romeo Crennell's schmoes and replacing them with his schmoes still left Cleveland with a team full of asshat, no-talent schmoes.
2. Brian FUCKING Daboll.


I still contend that firing Mangini was a huge, enormous, unforgivable mistake, and one that set this franchise back 3-5 years.

Mangini was nothing special. He was mediocre as a head coach. But he was competent. He could do the job and not look like an idiot. And he was building momentum. Look at the Steelers. Tomlin is nothing special either. He's just some guy. But he's managing that talent enough to do his job. There is no reason to think that Mangini wasn't on his way to doing the same.

But the big thing is that continuity is the most important thing in the NFL. I'll take mediocrity from my coaches in exchange for stability. Any day. And throwing that away because Mangini wan't a Lamont client, well, that's a special kind of backstabbing sabotage to a franchise like Cleveland. And Holmgren deserves to be absolutely destroyed for it.

And that's just for firing Mangini. Replacing him with Shurmur, who is clearly the worst coach in the NFL, is just icing on the cake.
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Re: SHUR

Unread postby Gradysmanldy » Wed Oct 10, 2012 1:08 pm

I guess my fervent hope is that when the plug is pulled (and it will be) that they keep some sort of continuity in place. Constantly firing your coach every 2-3 years and then radically changing the system does set you back; keep Heckert in place and bring in new coaches, if it's remotely possible. Keep some WCO roots, so that the book is similar for the youth, and bring someone in who knows how to run the system.

There has to be someone.....a coordinator from one of the capable WCO teams, or SOMETHING. Please don't put us back in the, "We need to be a smash mouth run-the-ball-first kind of team" mentality.
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Re: SHUR

Unread postby fairvis » Wed Oct 10, 2012 1:19 pm

Gradysmanldy wrote:There has to be someone.....a coordinator from one of the capable WCO teams, or SOMETHING. Please don't put us back in the, "We need to be a smash mouth run-the-ball-first kind of team" mentality.


Actually, I'm not sure this personnel would be all that bad in that offense. Give Richardson his 30 touches/game, get rid of Marecic really, really, really quickly, get a Vickers-like FB in there, and let Gordon and Norwood run streaks all game.

Would have to be more interesting then the 6-7 yard curl route on 1st down going incomplete, stuffed on the 2nd down run, and then completing a 9 yard curl on 3rd and 10.
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Re: SHUR

Unread postby fairvis » Wed Oct 10, 2012 1:21 pm

And if taking the smash-mouth run-the-ball-first guy would've brought me either Jeff Fisher or Harbaugh, I would've done that all day.
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Re: SHUR

Unread postby bac5665 » Wed Oct 10, 2012 1:30 pm

The NFL is the home of 1-offseason turnarounds. We just need to figure out how those happen and then make one happen for us. The key components I see are solid quarterbacks, great defense, and the right head coach. If we fire Shurmur and hire the right HC, (and I have no idea who that would be) than we have a shot.

The question is whether or not we can hit on the head coach. I think Weeden and this D, with another years drafting, can be good enough to contend next year, with the right head coach.

It would also help a lot if we weren't in a division with 3 playoff teams. That part really does make this harder.
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Re: SHUR

Unread postby pod2dawg » Wed Oct 10, 2012 2:33 pm

I realistically thought we'd be 1-4 by now. Next up Bengals, Colts, Ravens, Steelers, Cowboys, Raiders. We go 3-3, that would put us at 3-8 with 5 to go. We have no depth and a bunch of holes in a tough division. It took us 10 years to make the Bills look like the 49'ers. Going to take another year and the right coach to get a rudder in the water. Pray the 5 players on O we have and the D line , D'Quell, our one CB, and one safety live through this.

The "WAR" debate will be RE: the draft ,and determining whether Weeds is the "guy" we can roll with. Right now, even with his limited sample, I would vote no. Luckily for he & us 11 more games to learn not throw it to the wrong team.

We've said all along the Walrus & Shur hitched their wagons to Weeds. The ice is melting beneath them.
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Re: SHUR

Unread postby bac5665 » Wed Oct 10, 2012 3:30 pm

So here's a question for you.

Say we put it together, and go 8-3 the rest of the way, by virtue of a stout defense and Weeds and T-Rex really starting to gel on offense. I know, fantasy, etc. But given that we've averaged a loss by 7 points during the losing streak, I can see this team turning it around despite SHUR.

So my question is what then do we do with SHUR? Do we keep him in the name of consistency? Or do we still fire him? I know we all want the answer to be, but what do people think the FO would actually do?
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Re: SHUR

Unread postby Gradysmanldy » Wed Oct 10, 2012 5:34 pm

bac5665 wrote:So here's a question for you.

Say we put it together, and go 8-3 the rest of the way, by virtue of a stout defense and Weeds and T-Rex really starting to gel on offense. I know, fantasy, etc. But given that we've averaged a loss by 7 points during the losing streak, I can see this team turning it around despite SHUR.

So my question is what then do we do with SHUR? Do we keep him in the name of consistency? Or do we still fire him? I know we all want the answer to be, but what do people think the FO would actually do?


By a stout defense? 8-3?

I'd rather imagine hot tub rub downs from Brooklyn Decker, because lets be real, it's more likely.

The question will be posed somewhere in the grey area between completely hopeless doofus team and average looking, when the offense continues to gel and we win a few. (3-4, probably) SHUR is a goner.
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Re: SHUR

Unread postby bac5665 » Wed Oct 10, 2012 5:41 pm

I guess the question is, is there a win total that you think would save Shurmur's job?

Cause I think there is, even though I don't think that there is any way that such a win total would be because of Shurmur.
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Re: SHUR

Unread postby leadpipe » Wed Oct 10, 2012 7:01 pm

fairvis wrote:
Gradysmanldy wrote:There has to be someone.....a coordinator from one of the capable WCO teams, or SOMETHING. Please don't put us back in the, "We need to be a smash mouth run-the-ball-first kind of team" mentality.


Actually, I'm not sure this personnel would be all that bad in that offense. Give Richardson his 30 touches/game, get rid of Marecic really, really, really quickly, get a Vickers-like FB in there, and let Gordon and Norwood run streaks all game.

Would have to be more interesting then the 6-7 yard curl route on 1st down going incomplete, stuffed on the 2nd down run, and then completing a 9 yard curl on 3rd and 10.


What's the point in being competent at an offense that is a dinosaur?

Maybe Turner Gill has a son the Browns could round up for the wishbone.

The reason every team worth a damn on GGE passes the ball, is because the rules favor it. Greatly.

Just because they were foolish enough to draft a running back that high, doesn't mean you should compound matters in 2000 and GD 12 "grounding and pounding." If you wanna do that you mine as well keep the regime we currenlty have. They love to play ball like it's 1985.

And I would agree, with this personell, that looks like a viable option - which is exactly why they are sitting on zero wins and these guys are going to be eighty-sixed momentarily.
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Re: SHUR

Unread postby pod2dawg » Wed Oct 10, 2012 11:31 pm

bac5665 wrote:I guess the question is, is there a win total that you think would save Shurmur's job?

Cause I think there is, even though I don't think that there is any way that such a win total would be because of Shurmur.


In theory , if we would beat our divisional foes Haslam would at least listen for a second before he pink slips Shur.

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Re: SHUR

Unread postby bookelly » Sun Nov 04, 2012 8:43 pm

Bump*

Enough already. Can we please mercifully cull the SHUR? For his sake and for ours. Goodbye...goodriddance, hasta la vista, don't let the door hit you on the way out.
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