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Unread postby municipalmutt » Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:45 pm

http://www.espncleveland.com/common/more.php?m=49&post_id=2901

Just when I was slightly optimistic about this season. The wheels are coming off early this year in true Cleveland fashion.
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Re: Haden Might Have A Mini Vacation

Unread postby CleSportsTruth » Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:53 pm

Gotta say, if Heckert is trying to keep his job, this is not good. A 1st-rounder with this issue, after a mediocre yr. is bad for the resume.

Oh, and TRich is going to Pensacola to see Doc. Andrews. :hide: Cleveland-biased prediction: Done for the yr.
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Re: Haden Might Have A Mini Vacation

Unread postby Triple-S » Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:59 pm

Fuck this team.

seriously. fuck this team.

Even before the season starts they find a way to remove themselves from being competitive.

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Re: Haden Might Have A Mini Vacation

Unread postby municipalmutt » Wed Aug 08, 2012 3:36 pm

Taylor out indefinitely, Fujita supended, Gocong out for the year, and now possibly Haden four game suspension. Four starters gone on a defense with dick for depth. Add the distraction a new owner brings, and we are done before the first fucking game.
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Re: Haden Might Have A Mini Vacation

Unread postby Commodore Perry » Wed Aug 08, 2012 3:44 pm

municipalmutt wrote:Taylor out indefinitely, Fujita supended, Gocong out for the year, and now possibly Haden four game suspension. Four starters gone on a defense with dick for depth. Add the distraction a new owner brings, and we are done before the first fucking game.


And now its looking like Richardson is having knee issues. Out for the first preseason game.

Even if Lerner didn't put the restriction on moving the team, really who would take them?
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Re: Haden Might Have A Mini Vacation

Unread postby LakeErieWarriors » Wed Aug 08, 2012 4:22 pm

Way to go Joe. One of, if the thee most beloved Cleveland athlete right now and- fucking adderall? JFC I would love to punch a wall right now.
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Re: Haden Might Have A Mini Vacation

Unread postby bookelly » Wed Aug 08, 2012 6:55 pm

My guess; Marathon Madden session with the guys. Adderall and video games are like peanut butter and chocolate.

If it was prescription, then the league has no business getting in the way of doctor/patient.
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Unread postby e0y2e3 » Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:08 pm

Adderall is pretty awesome, to his credit.

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Re: Haden Might Have A Mini Vacation

Unread postby LakeErieWarriors » Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:17 pm

bookelly wrote:
If it was prescription, then the league has no business getting in the way of doctor/patient.


If he was prescribed it, it wouldn't be a 'failed' drug test.
If it was weed, I wouldn't be surprised, but adderall just doesn't ADD (pun intended) up for a guy like Haden.

I'm not saying it's 100% bullshit and there's no way he took it, because I don't believe that he 'unknowingly' took it. I've never 'unknowingly' taken anything in my entire goddamn life.

And adderall? It's great if you like geeking out for hours, not eating food, and not sleeping. I did read an entire book and write a solid B paper in one night on that shit once.
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Re: Haden Might Have A Mini Vacation

Unread postby municipalmutt » Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:03 pm

If it was prescription, then the league has no business getting in the way of doctor/patient.


If it is on the NFL list of banned substances, it doesn't matter if he had a prescription or not. From what I understand, he needed prior approval from the league if prescibed by a doctor and also if there are other medications that could treat the same illness. He could have used those that aren't banned. Can you imagine how many NFL players would go to California and get an easy prescription for pot if this were the case?

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Re: Haden Might Have A Mini Vacation

Unread postby justmebd » Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:51 pm

The defense already is going to be starting UPS Drivers before the Haden situation even came into play, and now we're going to be down a RB.

"Minor Procedure" is Cleveland-talk for "Done for the year."

I smell 0-16 at this point, that's how cynical I feel at the moment.
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Re: Haden Might Have A Mini Vacation

Unread postby rk » Thu Aug 09, 2012 9:28 am

municipalmutt wrote:Taylor out indefinitely, Fujita supended, Gocong out for the year, and now possibly Haden four game suspension. Four starters gone on a defense with dick for depth. Add the distraction a new owner brings, and we are done before the first fucking game.


Huh?

Taylor is out 6-10 weeks. Not indefinite.

Fujita is suspended for a handful of games and is still in the process of appealing the suspsension. Fujita barely played last year.

Gocong is the definition of mediocrity. Getting fired up that he's out for a year is like getting fired up that the cookie store is out of chocolate chip cookies forcing you to get chocolate chocolate chip cookies.

Haden's secondary test still hasn't occurred per all sources so give it a little bit before completely freaking out. Also he can appeal which should allow him to at least start the season.

Richardson is more than likely going to be able to play day one.

Taylor and Haden are the two guys you worry about and one only misses at most 1/4 of the season while the other might be back by the half-way point. They drafted guys that should be able to help keep the DL from getting overrun and there will almost certainly be good CB/LBs on the waiver wire that can at least reduce the impact of the loss of Haden/Fujita/Cogong.
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Re: Haden Might Have A Mini Vacation

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Thu Aug 09, 2012 9:39 am

A nice line of Adderall will make anything easier.
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Re: Haden Might Have A Mini Vacation

Unread postby rebelwithoutaclue » Thu Aug 09, 2012 9:47 am

municipalmutt wrote:
If it was prescription, then the league has no business getting in the way of doctor/patient.


If it is on the NFL list of banned substances, it doesn't matter if he had a prescription or not. From what I understand, he needed prior approval from the league if prescibed by a doctor and also if there are other medications that could treat the same illness. He could have used those that aren't banned. Can you imagine how many NFL players would go to California and get an easy prescription for pot if this were the case?

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To have a prescription for Adderall and NOT notify the league is more dumb than failing 2 drug tests.


There is no way this is for Adderall. Adderall is just the new "in" drug that players are copping to to soften the PR blow. This is, I believe, the 3rd failed test for "Adderall" in the last month by an NFL player.


And since he's facing suspension, this means it's his second failed test. I tell ya, we only draft geniuses in Cleveland.
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Unread postby noles1 » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:58 pm

rebelwithoutaclue wrote:
municipalmutt wrote:
If it was prescription, then the league has no business getting in the way of doctor/patient.


If it is on the NFL list of banned substances, it doesn't matter if he had a prescription or not. From what I understand, he needed prior approval from the league if prescibed by a doctor and also if there are other medications that could treat the same illness. He could have used those that aren't banned. Can you imagine how many NFL players would go to California and get an easy prescription for pot if this were the case?

"Pfffft, doctor's orders Roger dude."




To have a prescription for Adderall and NOT notify the league is more dumb than failing 2 drug tests.


There is no way this is for Adderall. Adderall is just the new "in" drug that players are copping to to soften the PR blow. This is, I believe, the 3rd failed test for "Adderall" in the last month by an NFL player.


And since he's facing suspension, this means it's his second failed test. I tell ya, we only draft geniuses in Cleveland.



Banned substances are automatic 4 game suspensions, not like drugs. That said, you are 100% right on the Adderall PR scheme as the NFL does not confirm or denial. The agent and player can control the communication. Aderall makes it easy.
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Re: Haden Might Have A Mini Vacation

Unread postby municipalmutt » Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:08 pm

Taylor is out 6-10 weeks. Not indefinite.


in·def·i·nite   [in-def-uh-nit]
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not clearly defined or determined; not precise or exact: an indefinite boundary; an indefinite date in the future.


So you know precisely when Taylor is returning? 6 to 10 weeks is a pretty big swing of uncertainty. Hell, he could be back in 4 weeks. That still makes it indefinite.

Losing four starters is huge. You can't spin this positively - sorry. Granted two of the four are stiffs (Fujita and Gocong), but they have no proven talent backing them up. You're optimistic and that's cool and all. My optimism for this team died when Nick Skorich was made head coach.
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Re: Haden Might Have A Mini Vacation

Unread postby rk » Thu Aug 09, 2012 5:04 pm

municipalmutt wrote:So you know precisely when Taylor is returning? 6 to 10 weeks is a pretty big swing of uncertainty. Hell, he could be back in 4 weeks. That still makes it indefinite.


So by your reasoning everything is indefinite until after it is completed.

Sweet. I mean that's the right use of the term indefinite in the English language. Just not the right use of the term whenever it is used in discussing injury scenarios in sports. Indefinite means they have no timetable. Not that the timetable might not be 100% accurate. Since they have a timetable you are misusing the term.

Losing four starters is huge. You can't spin this positively - sorry. Granted two of the four are stiffs (Fujita and Gocong), but they have no proven talent backing them up. You're optimistic and that's cool and all. My optimism for this team died when Nick Skorich was made head coach.


Nobody is spinning this positively. But it's idiotic to act like the Brown's chances for the Superbowl JUST went down the toilet. Yesterday. When the entirety of the bad news was Haden will almost certainly be out for 4 games and Richardson will likely miss the next few weeks of practice.

The rest was all known a week ago. And sorry but people worrying about replacing Gocong can't honestly say they watched more than a single game last year. And that game just happened to be the Browns/Steelers game where he almost single-handedly stopped the Steelers at the goaline. To put it in perspective he had 7 tackled that entire game and 3 of them happened on the same set of downs.

The rest of the year he had as much impact on the field as I had.
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Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill 2.0 » Thu Aug 09, 2012 5:11 pm

Dear Pat,

Great first impression.

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Re: Haden Might Have A Mini Vacation

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Thu Aug 09, 2012 5:45 pm

rk wrote:
municipalmutt wrote:So you know precisely when Taylor is returning? 6 to 10 weeks is a pretty big swing of uncertainty. Hell, he could be back in 4 weeks. That still makes it indefinite.


So by your reasoning everything is indefinite until after it is completed.

Sweet. I mean that's the right use of the term indefinite in the English language. Just not the right use of the term whenever it is used in discussing injury scenarios in sports. Indefinite means they have no timetable. Not that the timetable might not be 100% accurate. Since they have a timetable you are misusing the term.

Losing four starters is huge. You can't spin this positively - sorry. Granted two of the four are stiffs (Fujita and Gocong), but they have no proven talent backing them up. You're optimistic and that's cool and all. My optimism for this team died when Nick Skorich was made head coach.


Nobody is spinning this positively. But it's idiotic to act like the Brown's chances for the Superbowl JUST went down the toilet. Yesterday. When the entirety of the bad news was Haden will almost certainly be out for 4 games and Richardson will likely miss the next few weeks of practice.

The rest was all known a week ago. And sorry but people worrying about replacing Gocong can't honestly say they watched more than a single game last year. And that game just happened to be the Browns/Steelers game where he almost single-handedly stopped the Steelers at the goaline. To put it in perspective he had 7 tackled that entire game and 3 of them happened on the same set of downs.

The rest of the year he had as much impact on the field as I had.


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Unread postby Hikohadon » Thu Aug 09, 2012 5:50 pm

rk wrote:And sorry but people worrying about replacing Gocong can't honestly say they watched more than a single game last year. And that game just happened to be the Browns/Steelers game where he almost single-handedly stopped the Steelers at the goaline. To put it in perspective he had 7 tackled that entire game and 3 of them happened on the same set of downs.

The rest of the year he had as much impact on the field as I had.


I would say that was a poor assessment of how Gocong played the last 5 games or so - all 5, not just one series of 1 - but it's yours to have.
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Re: Haden Might Have A Mini Vacation

Unread postby municipalmutt » Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:41 pm

rk wrote:
municipalmutt wrote:So you know precisely when Taylor is returning? 6 to 10 weeks is a pretty big swing of uncertainty. Hell, he could be back in 4 weeks. That still makes it indefinite.


So by your reasoning everything is indefinite until after it is completed.

Sweet. I mean that's the right use of the term indefinite in the English language. Just not the right use of the term whenever it is used in discussing injury scenarios in sports. Indefinite means they have no timetable. Not that the timetable might not be 100% accurate. Since they have a timetable you are misusing the term.

Losing four starters is huge. You can't spin this positively - sorry. Granted two of the four are stiffs (Fujita and Gocong), but they have no proven talent backing them up. You're optimistic and that's cool and all. My optimism for this team died when Nick Skorich was made head coach.


Nobody is spinning this positively. But it's idiotic to act like the Brown's chances for the Superbowl JUST went down the toilet. Yesterday. When the entirety of the bad news was Haden will almost certainly be out for 4 games and Richardson will likely miss the next few weeks of practice.

The rest was all known a week ago. And sorry but people worrying about replacing Gocong can't honestly say they watched more than a single game last year. And that game just happened to be the Browns/Steelers game where he almost single-handedly stopped the Steelers at the goaline. To put it in perspective he had 7 tackled that entire game and 3 of them happened on the same set of downs.

The rest of the year he had as much impact on the field as I had.


You really like to cherry pick don't you? The entire point, that seems to elude you, is that it would be nice once JUST FUCKING ONCE to go into the start of a season healthy and lose the snake-bit feeling at the start of every year.
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Unread postby mattvan1 » Wed Aug 15, 2012 12:47 pm

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Unread postby jb » Wed Aug 15, 2012 4:13 pm




Dumb ass.

maybe he was part of a bachelor party and it was a mickey. I'd go with that defense and bring Mike Tyson and Chow as witnesses.
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Unread postby jb » Wed Aug 15, 2012 4:21 pm

Hikohadon wrote:
rk wrote:And sorry but people worrying about replacing Gocong can't honestly say they watched more than a single game last year. And that game just happened to be the Browns/Steelers game where he almost single-handedly stopped the Steelers at the goaline. To put it in perspective he had 7 tackled that entire game and 3 of them happened on the same set of downs.

The rest of the year he had as much impact on the field as I had.


I would say that was a poor assessment of how Gocong played the last 5 games or so - all 5, not just one series of 1 - but it's yours to have.



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Unread postby rk » Fri Aug 17, 2012 1:29 pm

You do realize that Gocong was slated to play WSLB this season, right? Which means at best the coaches think his play last year was beneath what they would get from Fujita.

He is a reactive player without the ability to make an impact. At his peak you have someone who is capable of filling a position. On a good 4-3 team he is not starting at WSLB or SSLB. He's great depth because he's capable of filling multiple roles but not capable of being very good in any one role. He is slow, can't beat most OL one-on-one, and tends to need help bringing down bigger backs although he is usually in position to stop them.

And they never should have let Miller go. HOF. Or Chris Palmer for that matter. ;)
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Unread postby Hikohadon » Fri Aug 17, 2012 1:33 pm

rk wrote:You do realize that Gocong was slated to play WSLB this season, right? Which means at best the coaches think his play last year was beneath what they would get from Fujita.

He is a reactive player without the ability to make an impact. At his peek you have someone who is capable of filling a position. On a good 4-3 team he is not starting at WSLB or SSLB. He's great depth because he's capable of filling multiple roles but not capable of being very good in any one role.

And they never should have let Miller go. HOF. Or Chris Palmer for that matter. ;)


I'm not sure that the Browns weren't intending to use the first 3 games to make sure that whomever was playing the Will could handle it before making Gocong's move to the Sam permanent.

Also not sure that the Will is any less important than the Sam, so you get your (perceived) best 3 players on the field, even if it means moving the (perceived) better player back to Will.
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Unread postby jb » Fri Aug 17, 2012 2:12 pm

rk wrote:You do realize that Gocong was slated to play WSLB this season, right? Which means at best the coaches think his play last year was beneath what they would get from Fujita.



Right. Fajita is a waste. Was hoping they'd recognize.
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Re: Haden Might Have A Mini Vacation

Unread postby LarsHancock » Tue Sep 04, 2012 9:38 am

A full month since the original rumor, and still no confirmation?

Does that seem unusual to everyone?

Could there have been some bad journalism on this one? Maybe he did indeed fail a test, but maybe he hadn't failed a test previously? Or maybe the four games wasn't as cut and dry as it was made to seem?

Or maybe they are just waiting to Sunday morning during warmups to announce this, to mess with us the most.
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Unread postby Govbarney » Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:15 am

Confirmed this morning on the 92.3 by Holmgren that the appeal hearing has already occurred and they are simply awaiting the NFLs decision.
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Unread postby LarsHancock » Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:48 am

Yeah, five minutes after I post. Nice jinx doofus.

Hey, anyone hear anything about that giant bag of money that was supposed to be dropped off at my house?
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Unread postby Hikohadon » Tue Sep 04, 2012 12:14 pm

LarsHancock wrote:Yeah, five minutes after I post. Nice jinx doofus.

Hey, anyone hear anything about that giant bag of money that was supposed to be dropped off at my house?


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Re: Haden Might Have A Mini Vacation

Unread postby jb » Tue Sep 04, 2012 3:58 pm

LarsHancock wrote:
Hey, anyone hear anything about that giant bag of money that was supposed to be dropped off at my house?



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Unread postby jb » Tue Sep 04, 2012 3:59 pm

Govbarney wrote:Confirmed this morning on the 92.3 by Holmgren that the appeal hearing has already occurred and they are simply awaiting the NFLs decision.



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Unread postby ShadowDawg » Mon Sep 10, 2012 8:42 pm

He is suspended, appeal denied according to half time on MNF.
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