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Re: Potential Indians Trade Targets

Unread postby Adverb Harry » Tue Jul 31, 2012 4:38 pm

Thank God for this move. It gives us that lefty bat to really balance out our lineup.
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Re: Potential Indians Trade Targets

Unread postby WiscTribeFan » Tue Jul 31, 2012 4:40 pm

Does anyone else find it amusing that the Pirates kicked in $250K to the Yankees in the Casey McGehee trade?
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Re: Potential Indians Trade Targets

Unread postby Adverb Harry » Tue Jul 31, 2012 4:40 pm

Brent Lillibridge, Lars Anderson...we're really cornering the market on players with wimpy names.
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Re: Potential Indians Trade Targets

Unread postby peeker643 » Tue Jul 31, 2012 4:43 pm

Used to be this organization was content to simply draft their own disappointments and watch the bloom fall off the rose from draft day forward.

It's a new day though. Now they're dealing for other team's disappointments. Maybe so people will complain less about the drafts?

They just traded the next RA Dickey for the next Matt Laporta. Or next Nick Weglarz. Or the next Matt Whitney (if Lars steps on a sprinkler head).

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Re: Potential Indians Trade Targets

Unread postby Spanky » Tue Jul 31, 2012 4:44 pm

skatingtripods wrote:Cool, and we gave up a starter that throws a knuckleball for him. Somehow, Steven Wright will become the next R.A. Dickey.

By "next R.A. Dickey" do you mean a player who bounces around between every minor league team until he finally figures out how to throw the pitch when he's in his 30's?
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Re: Potential Indians Trade Targets

Unread postby peeker643 » Tue Jul 31, 2012 4:45 pm

:thumb up:


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Thank Christ you don't see +fastballs on the hands and breaking stuff at the big league level.
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Re: Potential Indians Trade Targets

Unread postby WiscTribeFan » Tue Jul 31, 2012 4:46 pm

peeker643 wrote::thumb up:


Struggles with breaking balls, which leads to swings-and-misses and weak contact on the ground. Must improve contact skills to project as an average-to-better hitter for batting average at the big league level. Despite plus raw power, has trouble pulling the ball with lift. Swing shows too much hook and lacks leverage due to looping hands during swing load. Struggles to get good wood on inside fastballs.


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Re: Potential Indians Trade Targets

Unread postby StewieG » Tue Jul 31, 2012 4:47 pm

Oh thank Christ we got another light-hitting lefty. Ought to fit in real well with the rest of the team.
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Re: Potential Indians Trade Targets

Unread postby dazindiansfanuk » Tue Jul 31, 2012 4:49 pm

Anderson's reporting to AAA.
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Re: Potential Indians Trade Targets

Unread postby Bigfist » Tue Jul 31, 2012 4:50 pm

WiscTribeFan wrote:
peeker643 wrote::thumb up:


Struggles with breaking balls, which leads to swings-and-misses and weak contact on the ground. Must improve contact skills to project as an average-to-better hitter for batting average at the big league level. Despite plus raw power, has trouble pulling the ball with lift. Swing shows too much hook and lacks leverage due to looping hands during swing load. Struggles to get good wood on inside fastballs.


That's half the major league roster.


Half????
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Re: Potential Indians Trade Targets

Unread postby peeker643 » Tue Jul 31, 2012 4:50 pm

Spanky wrote:
skatingtripods wrote:Cool, and we gave up a starter that throws a knuckleball for him. Somehow, Steven Wright will become the next R.A. Dickey.

By "next R.A. Dickey" do you mean a player who bounces around between every minor league team until he finally figures out how to throw the pitch when he's in his 30's?



You're gonna be so sorry when Dickey dominates MLB hitters for the next ten years.


Actually I told gotribe31 I was going to be the first to try and get the inevitable RA Dickey needle in the haystack comp in the thread but I was too late :lmfao:
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Re: Potential Indians Trade Targets

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Tue Jul 31, 2012 4:51 pm

This is awesome:

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/minorleagues/prospects/y2009/

The Indians run 2009 prospect lists...
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Re: Potential Indians Trade Targets

Unread postby WiscTribeFan » Tue Jul 31, 2012 4:54 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:This is awesome:

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/minorleagues/prospects/y2009/

The Indians run 2009 prospect lists...


Wow, Marson was a top 50 guy at one point.
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Re: Potential Indians Trade Targets

Unread postby peeker643 » Tue Jul 31, 2012 4:54 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:This is awesome:

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/minorleagues/prospects/y2009/

The Indians run 2009 prospect lists...


Tribe now has 3 of top 30 and 4 of top 43!!!!! The system is getting healthier!!!!

Excited about #43 too.
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Re: Potential Indians Trade Targets

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Tue Jul 31, 2012 4:57 pm

The Indians don't own Adam Miller's corpse anymore? Because if they do that's 5 of the top 43....
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Re: Potential Indians Trade Targets

Unread postby Adverb Harry » Tue Jul 31, 2012 4:57 pm

And you guys thought this organization didn't have a plan. Shame on you.
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Re: Potential Indians Trade Targets

Unread postby skatingtripods » Tue Jul 31, 2012 4:57 pm

peeker643 wrote:
Spanky wrote:
skatingtripods wrote:Cool, and we gave up a starter that throws a knuckleball for him. Somehow, Steven Wright will become the next R.A. Dickey.

By "next R.A. Dickey" do you mean a player who bounces around between every minor league team until he finally figures out how to throw the pitch when he's in his 30's?



You're gonna be so sorry when Dickey dominates MLB hitters for the next ten years.


Actually I told gotribe31 I was going to be the first to try and get the inevitable RA Dickey needle in the haystack comp in the thread but I was too late :lmfao:


I had to. Just seemed to fit the TCF self-deprecating theme.
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Re: Potential Indians Trade Targets

Unread postby motherscratcher » Tue Jul 31, 2012 4:58 pm

Adverb Harry wrote:Chris Antonetti, 3:59 PM:

Shit, I gotta do something so the boss doesn't realize I've been sleeping all afternoon. Get me...Lars Anderson. Whew. That was close.


OK, now that one wasn't bad at all.
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Re: Potential Indians Trade Targets

Unread postby motherscratcher » Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:00 pm

Spanky wrote:
skatingtripods wrote:Cool, and we gave up a starter that throws a knuckleball for him. Somehow, Steven Wright will become the next R.A. Dickey.

By "next R.A. Dickey" do you mean a player who bounces around between every minor league team until he finally figures out how to throw the pitch when he's in his 30's?


Yes that.

Wouldn't you rather have that than Lars Anderson?
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Re: Potential Indians Trade Targets

Unread postby peeker643 » Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:01 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:The Indians don't own Adam Miller's corpse anymore? Because if they do that's 5 of the top 43....



No. He decided to leave when fans suggested he hack off a finger to get rid of the injury and generate more movement on his pitches.

He's with the Yankees. They're probably buying him stem cell procedures in Europe and he'll come back with seven fingers, all of which help throw a ball 118mph.
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Re: Potential Indians Trade Targets

Unread postby motherscratcher » Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:01 pm

peeker643 wrote::thumb up:


Struggles with breaking balls, which leads to swings-and-misses and weak contact on the ground. Must improve contact skills to project as an average-to-better hitter for batting average at the big league level. Despite plus raw power, has trouble pulling the ball with lift. Swing shows too much hook and lacks leverage due to looping hands during swing load. Struggles to get good wood on inside fastballs.


Thank Christ you don't see +fastballs on the hands and breaking stuff at the big league level.



LOL...struggles to get good wood...
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Re: Potential Indians Trade Targets

Unread postby peeker643 » Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:02 pm

motherscratcher wrote:
Adverb Harry wrote:Chris Antonetti, 3:59 PM:

Shit, I gotta do something so the boss doesn't realize I've been sleeping all afternoon. Get me...Lars Anderson. Whew. That was close.


OK, now that one wasn't bad at all.


I disagree.

Completely.

Though some people find Gallagher and Roseanne Barr funny.
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Re: Potential Indians Trade Targets

Unread postby jb » Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:03 pm

Adverb Harry wrote:Brent Lillibridge, Lars Anderson...we're really cornering the market on players with wimpy names.



A Lillibridge to nowhere.
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Re: Potential Indians Trade Targets

Unread postby motherscratcher » Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:05 pm

peeker643 wrote:
e0y2e3 wrote:The Indians don't own Adam Miller's corpse anymore? Because if they do that's 5 of the top 43....



No. He decided to leave when fans suggested he hack off a finger to get rid of the injury and generate more movement on his pitches.

He's with the Yankees. They're probably buying him stem cell procedures in Europe and he'll come back with seven fingers, all of which help throw a ball 118mph.


I still think that could have worked.

In fact, they could have just sewn the hacked off finger to a mouse to keep it in good shape for a few years. If the pitching thing didn't work out they could have just reattached it. No harm no foul.

Find a hole in that plan asshole.
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Re: Potential Indians Trade Targets

Unread postby motherscratcher » Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:06 pm

peeker643 wrote:
motherscratcher wrote:
Adverb Harry wrote:Chris Antonetti, 3:59 PM:

Shit, I gotta do something so the boss doesn't realize I've been sleeping all afternoon. Get me...Lars Anderson. Whew. That was close.


OK, now that one wasn't bad at all.


I disagree.

Completely.

Though some people find Gallagher and Roseanne Barr funny.


Compared to what he was dropping upthread?
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Re: Potential Indians Trade Targets

Unread postby StewieG » Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:08 pm

jb wrote:
Adverb Harry wrote:Brent Lillibridge, Lars Anderson...we're really cornering the market on players with wimpy names.



A Lillibridge to nowhere.


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Re: Potential Indians Trade Targets

Unread postby leadpipe » Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:09 pm

peeker643 wrote::thumb up:


Struggles with breaking balls, which leads to swings-and-misses and weak contact on the ground. Must improve contact skills to project as an average-to-better hitter for batting average at the big league level. Despite plus raw power, has trouble pulling the ball with lift. Swing shows too much hook and lacks leverage due to looping hands during swing load. Struggles to get good wood on inside fastballs.


Thank Christ you don't see +fastballs on the hands and breaking stuff at the big league level.


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Re: Potential Indians Trade Targets

Unread postby Am I Here Again? » Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:11 pm

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Re: Potential Indians Trade Targets

Unread postby peeker643 » Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:11 pm

motherscratcher wrote:
peeker643 wrote:
e0y2e3 wrote:The Indians don't own Adam Miller's corpse anymore? Because if they do that's 5 of the top 43....



No. He decided to leave when fans suggested he hack off a finger to get rid of the injury and generate more movement on his pitches.

He's with the Yankees. They're probably buying him stem cell procedures in Europe and he'll come back with seven fingers, all of which help throw a ball 118mph.


I still think that could have worked.

In fact, they could have just sewn the hacked off finger to a mouse to keep it in good shape for a few years. If the pitching thing didn't work out they could have just reattached it. No harm no foul.

Find a hole in that plan asshole.


The original plan made no mention of fingers sewn to mice. Had it, I would have been strongly in favor of it from the get-go. Better yet, they should have sewn the finger to your ass so you no longer were required to pay teen age boys to use theirs.

Now who's the asshole?
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Re: Potential Indians Trade Targets

Unread postby Adverb Harry » Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:12 pm

motherscratcher wrote:
Adverb Harry wrote:Chris Antonetti, 3:59 PM:

Shit, I gotta do something so the boss doesn't realize I've been sleeping all afternoon. Get me...Lars Anderson. Whew. That was close.


OK, now that one wasn't bad at all.


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Re: Potential Indians Trade Targets

Unread postby peeker643 » Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:13 pm

Adverb Harry wrote:
motherscratcher wrote:
Adverb Harry wrote:Chris Antonetti, 3:59 PM:

Shit, I gotta do something so the boss doesn't realize I've been sleeping all afternoon. Get me...Lars Anderson. Whew. That was close.


OK, now that one wasn't bad at all.


You really shouldn't encourage me.


No.

He really fucking shouldn't. ;-) ;) :wink:
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Re: Potential Indians Trade Targets

Unread postby skatingtripods » Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:17 pm

We have 432 posts in this thread and we got rewarded with Brent Lillibridge and Lars Anderson.
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Re: Potential Indians Trade Targets

Unread postby StewieG » Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:21 pm

peeker643 wrote:
e0y2e3 wrote:This is awesome:

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/minorleagues/prospects/y2009/

The Indians run 2009 prospect lists...


Tribe now has 3 of top 30 and 4 of top 43!!!!! The system is getting healthier!!!!

Excited about #43 too.


What's morbidly hilarious is that there's a really, really good chance that Marson ends up having the best career of all of them.
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Re: Potential Indians Trade Targets

Unread postby Adverb Harry » Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:23 pm

peeker643 wrote:
No.

He really fucking shouldn't. ;-) ;) :wink:


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Re: Potential Indians Trade Targets

Unread postby RedDawg53 » Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:48 pm

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Re: Potential Indians Trade Targets

Unread postby RedDawg53 » Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:50 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:This is awesome:

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/minorleagues/prospects/y2009/

The Indians run 2009 prospect lists...


Matt LaPorta at #14 seems a bit high
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Re: Potential Indians Trade Targets

Unread postby gotribe31 » Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:55 pm

peeker643 wrote:
e0y2e3 wrote:The Indians don't own Adam Miller's corpse anymore? Because if they do that's 5 of the top 43....



No. He decided to leave when fans suggested he hack off a finger to get rid of the injury and generate more movement on his pitches.

He's with the Yankees. They're probably buying him stem cell procedures in Europe and he'll come back with seven fingers, all of which help throw a ball 118mph.


Yankees actually released him earlier this year. Hasn't signed with anyone last I'd heard.
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Re: Potential Indians Trade Targets

Unread postby Dnthateonthepronk » Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:38 pm

StewieG wrote:
What's morbidly hilarious is that there's a really, really good chance that Marson ends up having the best career of all of them.



He has arguably been the best prospect from that vaunted Phillies system around that time. ::doh::

Outside of Gose who was rated real low at the time. D'Arnaurd still has time as well.
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Re: Potential Indians Trade Targets

Unread postby Dnthateonthepronk » Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:39 pm

RedDawg53 wrote:
Am I Here Again? wrote:To the Tribe FO:

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Isn't that Flag from the FO to the fans. They did wave the white flag.



No thats the flag Antonetti put outside the stadium after he made the Lars Anderson trade
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Re: Potential Indians Trade Targets

Unread postby Adverb Harry » Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:36 pm

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Re: Potential Indians Trade Targets

Unread postby peeker643 » Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:41 pm

And then depression set in...

Nowhere near enough talent in the minors to buy major league help, nowhere near enough major league talent to compete.

And what major league talent there is here in town isn't elite. And if it's close to elite it's at a position (closer) that doesn't hold much sway in trades.

Reminds of the unfortunate kid at Dave & Busters with 200 tickets in his hand who goes shopping in that little redemption center. What you got ain't enough and what you want is way overpriced.

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Re: Potential Indians Trade Targets

Unread postby Adverb Harry » Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:29 pm

peeker643 wrote:What you got ain't enough and what you want is way overpriced.

That's why they stood still.


Yeah, that's about it. Prospects are becoming an increasingly valuable commodity. Teams aren't giving them up, and we ain't got any.

GM's know they can hang onto their top prospects and the other team will either walk away or cave in and settle for less. They weren't going to get an Ubaldo type haul for Choo, because no one's stupid enough to give away their top two prospects anymore...well, except Antonetti.
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Re: Potential Indians Trade Targets

Unread postby Prosecutor » Wed Aug 01, 2012 5:06 am

A bad trade is worse than no trade. Anybody want to see another Pomeranz for Ubaldo deal, or another Brandon Phillips debacle?

There's nothing to be done at this point. When Lowe and Tomlin are in your rotation and you're getting ready to replace them with Kluber and Hernandez, and when you're last in the AL in scoring since the AS break, there's no chance. Especially when you've been hammered by the dregs of your division four straight games.

The Tribe should release the following players at the end of the season, or in some cases sooner (2012 salaries):

Hafner ($13 million)
Sizemore ($5 million)
Lowe ($5 million)
Kotchman ($3 million)
Damon ($1.1 million)
Duncan ($500 K)

That frees up about $27 million, minus the raises due to the current players. I'm guessing around $15 million available, assuming they decide to keep payroll the same.

They need to use that money to add a Josh Willingham type bat at 1st base or left field, and a legitimate starting pitcher. Go for quality, not quantity. One Willingham trumps a Kotchman, Damon, and Lowe. We have guys in Columbus who can match that production at a fraction of the cost.

Then they need Chisenhall and Carrasco to stay healthy and have breakout seasons like Kipnis is doing this year.

That adds four significant players. Not enough to compete with Detroit, but enough to move up to 85 wins and keep it interesting at least through the end of July when they'll have to trade Choo. That's about all a franchise like this can hope for, really.
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Re: Potential Indians Trade Targets

Unread postby dazindiansfanuk » Wed Aug 01, 2012 5:56 am

This team is not going to add a significant piece via free agency - regardless of how much money is coming off the books!

Good players who are free agents will get more years than the Indians are prepared to give up, leaving us with the dregs or the players coming back from injury.

Annual salary is not an issue for pretty much any player (within reason), this team just won't commit the years to get a deal done.

EDIT: You're also assuming that payroll is going to at least remain constant next year.... after as shitty as this years attendance has been, that's not a foregone conclusion.
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Re: Potential Indians Trade Targets

Unread postby Prosecutor » Wed Aug 01, 2012 8:41 am

dazindiansfanuk wrote:This team is not going to add a significant piece via free agency - regardless of how much money is coming off the books!


You could very well be right. However, I'm hoping the Indians will learn from the Willingham experience, where he was ready to sign with the Indians if they just matched the Twins' three-year offer. The Indians would not go beyond two years (perhaps still smarting from the Dellucci signing) and Willy ended up with the Twins, where he's having a monster season as a right-handed power-hitting left fielder.

I'm hoping they will realize that they have to get a little more aggressive and take a calculated risk at some point. They did that last year with Ubaldo and it's not working out. They did it with Kerry Wood and it didn't work out there either. They did it with Hafner and Westbrook - same result.

I really think this team has gotten extremely gun-shy about giving up top prospects like Brandon Phillips and Drew Pomeranz or giving out multi-year big dollar contracts. They have not done well in the recent past with deals like that. Their big successes have come from the smaller deals involving Choo, Asdrubal, C. Perez, Santana, Joe Smith, and McAlister.

But if they ever want to get to the 90-win level they're going to have to take a risk on a guy like Willingham and not just sit back and wait for the farm to produce or hope they can keep flipping Casey Blakes and Austin Kearns for Santanas and McAlisters. I hope they learned that lesson.
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Re: Potential Indians Trade Targets

Unread postby pup » Wed Aug 01, 2012 8:46 am

WE HAVE PREVIOUSLY SUCKED AT OUR JOBS, SO WE WILL STOP TRYING!!!!

Any chance that replaces "what if?"?
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Re: Potential Indians Trade Targets

Unread postby jb » Wed Aug 01, 2012 8:57 am

peeker643 wrote:And then depression set in...

Nowhere near enough talent in the minors to buy major league help, nowhere near enough major league talent to compete.

And what major league talent there is here in town isn't elite. And if it's close to elite it's at a position (closer) that doesn't hold much sway in trades.


That's why they stood still.


The only wonder is normally knowledgeable fans didn't see this coming in March & April.

Its not so much that they are mediocre to bad and scufffling. Its that there are no prospects in an organization that espoused player development as its core strategy.

How Shapiro and Antonetti keep their jobs is a mystery between God, the Dolans, and General Jackson.

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Re: Potential Indians Trade Targets

Unread postby jb » Wed Aug 01, 2012 8:59 am

Prosecutor wrote:A bad trade is worse than no trade. Anybody want to see another Pomeranz for Ubaldo deal, or another Brandon Phillips debacle?

There's nothing to be done at this point. When Lowe and Tomlin are in your rotation and you're getting ready to replace them with Kluber and Hernandez, and when you're last in the AL in scoring since the AS break, there's no chance. Especially when you've been hammered by the dregs of your division four straight games.

The Tribe should release the following players at the end of the season, or in some cases sooner (2012 salaries):

Hafner ($13 million)
Sizemore ($5 million)
Lowe ($5 million)
Kotchman ($3 million)
Damon ($1.1 million)
Duncan ($500 K)

That frees up about $27 million, minus the raises due to the current players. I'm guessing around $15 million available, assuming they decide to keep payroll the same.



Now they can make the field of dreams developmental complex in Arizona even more supre dooper so we can churn out more Beau Mills & Trevor Crowes !!

I bet a sauna would be nice since it is a dry heat and all that.
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Re: Potential Indians Trade Targets

Unread postby dazindiansfanuk » Wed Aug 01, 2012 9:31 am

Prosecutor wrote:
dazindiansfanuk wrote:This team is not going to add a significant piece via free agency - regardless of how much money is coming off the books!


You could very well be right. However, I'm hoping the Indians will learn from the Willingham experience, where he was ready to sign with the Indians if they just matched the Twins' three-year offer. The Indians would not go beyond two years (perhaps still smarting from the Dellucci signing) and Willy ended up with the Twins, where he's having a monster season as a right-handed power-hitting left fielder.

I'm hoping they will realize that they have to get a little more aggressive and take a calculated risk at some point. They did that last year with Ubaldo and it's not working out. They did it with Kerry Wood and it didn't work out there either. They did it with Hafner and Westbrook - same result.

I really think this team has gotten extremely gun-shy about giving up top prospects like Brandon Phillips and Drew Pomeranz or giving out multi-year big dollar contracts. They have not done well in the recent past with deals like that. Their big successes have come from the smaller deals involving Choo, Asdrubal, C. Perez, Santana, Joe Smith, and McAlister.

But if they ever want to get to the 90-win level they're going to have to take a risk on a guy like Willingham and not just sit back and wait for the farm to produce or hope they can keep flipping Casey Blakes and Austin Kearns for Santanas and McAlisters. I hope they learned that lesson.


You go ahead and hope..... I'm going to judge them based on past experience.

The last time we tried to fill two gaping holes with free agents we ended up with Kotchman and Damon.

Unless the local economy has changed, their philosophy won't change and the "talent" we can get in free agency won't change either.
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Re: Potential Indians Trade Targets

Unread postby Dnthateonthepronk » Wed Aug 01, 2012 9:46 am

What lesson are we to learn from Willingham? He is an injury risk player who is 3/4 of the way into a 3 year deal.

We cant judge that deal until he plays out the entire thing.
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