Browns for sale?

[Gradysmanldy]

I had the final say in a firing, and technically wasn't his authoritative superior, he went to Ignatius.

Moral of the story: I went to Ed's.

So, he was smarter than you are.

[Gradysmanldy]

Before we get all woahisme TCE about our owenership, it could get a LOT worse.

Read this about Dan Snyder if you think that anything Gilbert/Lerner/Dolan has done is worse than what that asspirate is engineering here in the District.

http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/articles/40063/the-cranky-redskins-fans-guide-to-dan-snyder

[leadpipe]

Before we get all woahisme TCE about our owenership, it could get a LOT worse.

Read this about Dan Snyder if you think that anything Gilbert/Lerner/Dolan has done is worse than what that asspirate is engineering here in the District.

http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/articles/40063/the-cranky-redskins-fans-guide-to-dan-snyder

Or, we could just pick average randonm examples, instead if picking one of the biggest didasters in NFL history.

Look, I get it, Snyders worse. Old Al Davis is worse - or any other laughingstock. But this isn't close to the MAJORITY of NFL owners. therefore you're VERY LIKELY to do better than what you currently have.

The whole "careful whatcha wish for." I'll take my chances - with the odds heavily in my favor.

[Hikohadon]

Before we get all woahisme TCE about our owenership, it could get a LOT worse.

Read this about Dan Snyder if you think that anything Gilbert/Lerner/Dolan has done is worse than what that asspirate is engineering here in the District.

http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/articles/40063/the-cranky-redskins-fans-guide-to-dan-snyder

Or, we could just pick average randonm examples, instead if picking one of the biggest didasters in NFL history.

Look, I get it, Snyders worse. Old Al Davis is worse - or any other laughingstock. But this isn't close to the MAJORITY of NFL owners. therefore you're VERY LIKELY to do better than what you currently have.

The whole "careful whatcha wish for." I'll take my chances - with the odds heavily in my favor.

Tell me which of the following owners you'd rather have than Lerner:

Mike Brown
Dan Snyder
Stephen Ross
Al Davis (you know, when he was alive not so long ago)

See? There are 3 owners that are still alive and noticeably worse... which I suppose just proves your point.

[jb]

Before we get all woahisme TCE about our owenership, it could get a LOT worse.

Read this about Dan Snyder if you think that anything Gilbert/Lerner/Dolan has done is worse than what that asspirate is engineering here in the District.

http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/articles/40063/the-cranky-redskins-fans-guide-to-dan-snyder

Or, we could just pick average randonm examples, instead if picking one of the biggest didasters in NFL history.

Look, I get it, Snyders worse. Old Al Davis is worse - or any other laughingstock. But this isn't close to the MAJORITY of NFL owners. therefore you're VERY LIKELY to do better than what you currently have.

The whole "careful whatcha wish for." I'll take my chances - with the odds heavily in my favor.

Tell me which of the following owners you'd rather have than Lerner:

Mike Brown
Dan Snyder
Stephen Ross
Al Davis (you know, when he was alive not so long ago)

See? There are 3 owners that are still alive and noticeably worse... which I suppose just proves your point.

3 / 32 = 9%

There's $ 10,000,000 on the table. If you ask "hit" you have a 9% chance of being 21 or under. House hs same odds.

So obviously you scratch the cards you hold toward you, right Hiko?

[Hikohadon]

There's $ 10,000,000 on the table. If you ask "hit" you have a 9% chance of being 21 or under. House hs same odds.

So obviously you scratch the cards you hold toward you, right Hiko?

Yes, but not sure this analogy is working for you.

[jb]

There's $ 10,000,000 on the table. If you ask "hit" you have a 9% chance of being 21 or under. House hs same odds.

So obviously you scratch the cards you hold toward you, right Hiko?

Yes, but not sure this analogy is working for you.

Do I have that gambling thingie backwards?

Amazing with all my vices I never had that one.

Point which is salient:

By any objective mesure, Randy has been an awful owner. Now where I might agree is in the mitigation details. But I also think if he sold tomorrow I'd be pretty happy.

BTW, AFAIC, you can add Jerruh to that list and get that % over 10%. What a buffoon.

[Hikohadon]

Yeah, I wouldn't want a Jerruh either, although I'm sure someone will point to the 3 Super Bowls his teams won at the dawn of the 20th century.

Randy was a bad owner. Fortunately, he ceded "ownership" to Holmgren. He's just a check-signer now.

New ownership means another full-body reboot. Definitely not quite ready to burn it down all over again.

[jb]

Yeah, I wouldn't want a Jerruh either, although I'm sure someone will point to the 3 Super Bowls his teams won at the dawn of the 20th century.

And they'd be pointing in the wrong direction away from Jimmuh.

[CAVSTRIBEBROWNSin07!]

Per Schefter:

http://www.whosay.com/AdamSchefter/cont ... de=lWm3QH0

27 July 2012 Full statement from Randy Lerner:

“In connection with current rumors and press inquiries, I can report that I’ve been approached by Mr. Jimmy Haslam, who is interested in making an investment in the Cleveland Browns. We are currently in negotiations and both sides have agreed to keep that dialogue and its details private. Given that any transaction would require League approval, care has been taken so that this process will not be disruptive to the organization, in particular the football team, as it prepares for the upcoming season. We will share further details or make an announcement if it becomes necessary.”

WHOA. Boards, proceed to explode.

[CAVSTRIBEBROWNSin07!]

My bad, didn't realize there was an older thread about this. viewtopic.php?f=1&t=21878#p488276 Mods feel free to merge.

[JCoz]

http://www.steelers.com/news/article-1/Investor-Profile-James-Haslam-III/3e939453-8e9d-445d-acab-78f9240f4824

Q. How did you come to be interested in joining the Steelers as an investor?

A. I was contacted by an investment banker representing the Steelers.

Q. What was it about the Steelers that made the team a solid investment proposition?

A. I was immediately impressed with Art and Dan Rooney’s business acumen and conservative philosophy.

Q. Before you became an investor, were you a Steelers fan?

A. No. I was actually originally a Dallas Cowboys fan and then an Indianapolis Colts fan.

Q. Are you a Steelers fan now, or is your relationship with the team more about business?

A. I am 1,000 percent a Steelers fan!

[pup]

http://www.steelers.com/news/article-1/Investor-Profile-James-Haslam-III/3e939453-8e9d-445d-acab-78f9240f4824

Q. How did you come to be interested in joining the Steelers as an investor?

A. I was contacted by an investment banker representing the Steelers.

Q. What was it about the Steelers that made the team a solid investment proposition?

A. I was immediately impressed with Art and Dan Rooney’s business acumen and conservative philosophy.

Q. Before you became an investor, were you a Steelers fan?

A. No. I was actually originally a Dallas Cowboys fan and then an Indianapolis Colts fan.

Q. Are you a Steelers fan now, or is your relationship with the team more about business?

A. I am 1,000 percent a Steelers fan!

So you are saying he will understand the rivalry?

[comish]

Bah! As soon as the ink dries guy immediately becomes the biggest Brown's fan in town. I could care less who he used to root for or invested in...as long as he gives a damn, pays attention, and helps build/sustain a winner he's aaaaaright in my book.

Let the Flying J era begin

[swerb]

ABR: Anyone But Randy

[LakeErieWarriors]

By all means, I'd love for this to go down, but I hate the timing.

Does this have any negative effect on the team this season?

What would the time frame be for this type of deal?

[pup]

Couple of benefits right from the top.

Either this guy is connected and others in this arena believe the Browns are on their way up and this would be a good time to get in.

Or, this guy has no issues taking over a complete clusterfuck of an organization and the confidence he is willing/able to turn it around.

[peeker643]

By all means, I'd love for this to go down, but I hate the timing.

Does this have any negative effect on the team this season?

What would the time frame be for this type of deal?

Ahh... concerned about the effect on the players making their playoff run.

Understand completely

Although I think the biggest negative effect on the team will be that their talent is a lot less talented than the other teams' talent.

[LakeErieWarriors]

By all means, I'd love for this to go down, but I hate the timing.

Does this have any negative effect on the team this season?

What would the time frame be for this type of deal?

Ahh... concerned about the effect on the players making their 7 win run.

Understand completely

Although I think the biggest negative effect on the team will be that their talent is a lot less talented than the other teams' talent.

There, fixed it.

I just said that because I don't think there's been this much cause for excitement ever in the New Browns era. Excitement at the thought of 7 wins, I know, effing awesome.

This goes down in the real short-run, Holmgren definitely gets distracted by the media. I imagine Shurmer doesn't wipe his ass w/o asking Holmgren a couple questions beforehand; so in turn it will affect his dumb ass and everyone else's down the line, hypothetically.

Basically what I'm saying here is that this could negatively affect Lars' prediction.

[e0y2e3]

Couple of benefits right from the top.

Either this guy is connected and others in this arena believe the Browns are on their way up and this would be a good time to get in.

Or, this guy has no issues taking over a complete clusterfuck of an organization and the confidence he is willing/able to turn it around.

WTF?

Or the guy realizes that and NFL Franchise is the soundest investment a rich person can make these days because it is impossible to not make money hand over fist and the only way to get a piece of that pie is to by a shit team like the Browns.

[That_Guy™]

I could give a shit about losing Holmgren or the Shurminator, but Heckert needs to stay. Reports are now saying that former Eagles pres Joe Banner is part of the group led by Haslam. Hopefully he had a good relationship with Tom and they can continue to work together. You can read my thoughts on the matter Here

[Hikohadon]

Couple of benefits right from the top.

Either this guy is connected and others in this arena believe the Browns are on their way up and this would be a good time to get in.

Or, this guy has no issues taking over a complete clusterfuck of an organization and the confidence he is willing/able to turn it around.

WTF?

Or the guy realizes that and NFL Franchise is the soundest investment a rich person can make these days because it is impossible to not make money hand over fist and the only way to get a piece of that pie is to by a shit team like the Browns.

This.

Randy sells the team that will always consistently make him money and keeps the team that will lose him money every year. He is a brilliant businessman indeed.

Those seats will now be habenero hot in Berea.

[Spin]

I know a lot of you would go wild with joy, but there are a lot worse owners we could have than Randy Lerner.

Look at the douche in Miami if you want example one.

I would disagree. Having an interest in what's going on is pretty important. Along with a myriad of other qualities he culled as Pops was carrying him thru.

You COULD do worse, but you'll PROBABLY do better.

Randy Lerner had a hell of a lot to do with the last dozen years.

Agreed, we never saw any indication of holding those he hired accountable. He hired them, and then trusted them to run the whole business.

A team owner can be too hands-on, see Redskins, Raiders. But the opposite is also true.

[Madre Hill, Superstar]

Waitwaitwait, the guy who's president of that company's buying the Browns?

I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry. I'm pretty sure we won't be renewing our loge lease at CBS though.

[comish]

So because the guy runs a succesful billion dollar company you are out? Maybe you would feel better if he ran....oh I don't know,a bank

Where are your seats...I might buy :)

[Madre Hill, Superstar]

I'm not sure what I can divulge as inside baseball, but I can say I just happen to work for that billion-dollar company's main competitor. The loge and club seats are company seats.

Also, things I didn't know before today but which make the past 10 years fall right into place: Before he passed, Al put in place a 10 year moratorium on selling the team.

[Spin]

Tell me which of the following owners you'd rather have than Lerner:

Mike Brown
Dan Snyder
Stephen Ross
Al Davis (you know, when he was alive not so long ago)

See? There are 3 owners that are still alive and noticeably worse... which I suppose just proves your point.

Typical Cleveland response.

"At least we aint the Pirates!!"

"oh wait..."

[gotribe31]

A Korean War vet who's a self-made billionare? Plus he was an OL in college? I'm in.

[pup]

Couple of benefits right from the top.

Either this guy is connected and others in this arena believe the Browns are on their way up and this would be a good time to get in.

Or, this guy has no issues taking over a complete clusterfuck of an organization and the confidence he is willing/able to turn it around.

WTF?

Or the guy realizes that and NFL Franchise is the soundest investment a rich person can make these days because it is impossible to not make money hand over fist and the only way to get a piece of that pie is to by a shit team like the Browns.

Have failed to hear his name even mentioned in regards to buying any of the other franchises, so I don't see him as an NFL Groupie Owner. He isn't buying his hometown team, so it isn't that.

Maybe he will buy the Indians too

[e0y2e3]

Well, obviously you didn't read the article JB linked on the first page of this thread and just glossed over his investment in the Steelers.

[pup]

Well, obviously you didn't read the article JB linked on the first page of this thread and just glossed over his investment in the Steelers.

I don't think this is an investment. I think he is buying.

You don't invest in the Steelers thinking the Rooney's are going to eventual sell you the franchise.

[e0y2e3]

No, you invest to get a piece of the pie and then you buy a team when you decide you want the entire pie, christ this is bidness, pure and simple, not some OMG I HAVE TO BUY THE SUPER-AWESOME UP AND COMING CLEVELAND BROWN!#!%!!

Again, read the fucking article JB linked, look at what he did with the Steelers and look at the gawd damn returns on investment of an NFL team. Plus, in addition to making crazy amounts of money he gets the perks of owning and NFL team. It's the ultimate rich man's investment and only so many teams are available at any moment. Plus, factor in Al's ten year moratorium and you have exactly what you have, a rich guy wanting to play in the NFL and only a handful (at best) of options available. And when his first choice, the Bills fell through he went to his next choices, the Browns and Rams.

[mattvan1]

No, you invest to get a piece of the pie and then you buy a team when you decide you want the entire pie, christ this is bidness, pure and simple, not some OMG I HAVE TO BUY THE SUPER-AWESOME UP AND COMING CLEVELAND BROWN!#!%!!

Again, read the fucking article JB linked, look at what he did with the Steelers and look at the gawd damn returns on investment of an NFL team. Plus, in addition to making crazy amounts of money he gets the perks of owning and NFL team. It's the ultimate rich man's investment and only so many teams are available at any moment. Plus, factor in Al's ten year moratorium and you have exactly what you have, a rich guy wanting to play in the NFL and only a handful (at best) of options available. And when his first choice, the Bills fell through he went to his next choices, the Browns and Rams.

Spot on (as any Aston Villa supporter would say).

Guy needed to get a foot in the door regarding eventual ownership. The good ol boys NFL owners club doesn't take kindly to outsiders. See Cosby, Bill and the list of rich people who campaigned to be awarded the team in '99.

Would not surprise me if the league isn't steering him in the right direction - I think the guy wouldn't even start discussions if he did not have some type of tacit approval from New York.

He doesn't have Los Angeles ties by any chance, does he?

[skatingtripods]

Well, obviously you didn't read the article JB linked on the first page of this thread and just glossed over his investment in the Steelers.

I don't think this is an investment. I think he is buying.

Agree. According to this Forbes article, the Haslam family is worth $3B. Forbes valued the Browns at $977M in its last round of team valuations. The accuracy of those is always up for debate, but the Haslams can certainly step up to the plate money-wise.

[e0y2e3]

The fact that the Cleveland Shitstains can be valued near $1BB (inaccuracy of Forbes aside) tells you all you need to know regarding the stupid profitability of the NFL.

[Hikohadon]

No, you invest to get a piece of the pie and then you buy a team when you decide you want the entire pie, christ this is bidness, pure and simple, not some OMG I HAVE TO BUY THE SUPER-AWESOME UP AND COMING CLEVELAND BROWN!#!%!!

Again, read the fucking article JB linked, look at what he did with the Steelers and look at the gawd damn returns on investment of an NFL team. Plus, in addition to making crazy amounts of money he gets the perks of owning and NFL team. It's the ultimate rich man's investment and only so many teams are available at any moment. Plus, factor in Al's ten year moratorium and you have exactly what you have, a rich guy wanting to play in the NFL and only a handful (at best) of options available. And when his first choice, the Bills fell through he went to his next choices, the Browns and Rams.

Spot on (as any Aston Villa supporter would say).

Guy needed to get a foot in the door regarding eventual ownership. The good ol boys NFL owners club doesn't take kindly to outsiders. See Cosby, Bill and the list of rich people who campaigned to be awarded the team in '99.

Would not surprise me if the league isn't steering him in the right direction - I think the guy wouldn't even start discussions if he did not have some type of tacit approval from New York.

He doesn't have Los Angeles ties by any chance, does he?

The LA thing ain't gonna happen. Forget about the 16 years left on the iron-clad lease, but it was supposedly guaranteed that the Browns won't be moved.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2012/07/cleveland_browns_owner_randy_l_3.html

In a press conference today, Browns President Mike Holmgren confirmed that owner Randy Lerner "will give up controlling interest in the team."

"An unconditional guarantee was given that the Browns would not move before talks could even start,'' a league source told the Plain Dealer.

As far as buying the team, NFL teams are great investments at any level (controlling or no). Obviously, putting a winning product on the field increases the value of the investment, so owners have personal reasons to be big fans of their own teams.

[danwismar]

Hell yeah!

Sure he could be worse, but what are the odds of that?

[Hikohadon]

Hell yeah!

Sure he could be worse, but what are the odds of that?

He doesn't sound like a Snyder/Jones/Ross type. As long as he isn't like one of those jackasses, I'm fine.

And these people complaining about him being a "Steelers fan" ought to have their right to vote revoked. Who in the universe wouldn't be a "fan" of the team they just bought an interest in? It's not like he grew up a Steelers fan.

PS - Looks like Hardesty makes the roster after all.

[gotribe31]

Hell yeah!

Sure he could be worse, but what are the odds of that?

He doesn't sound like a Snyder/Jones/Ross type. As long as he isn't like one of those jackasses, I'm fine.

And these people complaining about him being a "Steelers fan" ought to have their right to vote revoked. Who in the universe wouldn't be a "fan" of the team they just bought an interest in? It's not like he grew up a Steelers fan.

PS - Looks like Hardesty makes the roster after all.

Haha, yeah, I bet Hardesty wears his college jersey to the first team meeting this guy shows up to.

[justmebd]

I'm excited about this. Since I have no faith in the current ownership, and believe we can't do any worse, let's look at the positives of Haslem.

1. He's Not Randy Lerner

2. Refer To Number One.

3. There's no point in listing anything else, No. 1 says it all.


My predictions (If anyone gives a hoot)

A: Holmgren is out the door by Week 6 at the latest, if not the end of training camp (Depends on how fast the process plays out). From what I've read, the new guys in town will want to do their own thing and Holmgren will just quietly bow out.

B: Heckert Stays, and I'm happy about that.

C: Shurmur has to win at least 10 games to keep his job. If this not attainable by Week 13, he's fired. So I'm putting the over/under on Shurmer getting fired at Week 13.

D: Weeden has to blow everyone's socks off, otherwise new ownership is just going to draft a 22-year old QB next year, especially if the team collapses and is in the Top 3 of the draft. To clarify, Weeden can't just be "good," he HAS to be "Great."

[Hikohadon]

I'm excited about this. Since I have no faith in the current ownership, and believe we can't do any worse, let's look at the positives of Haslem.

1. He's Not Randy Lerner

2. Refer To Number One.

3. There's no point in listing anything else, No. 1 says it all.


My predictions (If anyone gives a hoot)

A: Holmgren is out the door by Week 6 at the latest, if not the end of training camp (Depends on how fast the process plays out). From what I've read, the new guys in town will want to do their own thing and Holmgren will just quietly bow out.

B: Heckert Stays, and I'm happy about that.

C: Shurmur has to win at least 10 games to keep his job. If this not attainable by Week 13, he's fired. So I'm putting the over/under on Shurmer getting fired at Week 13.

D: Weeden has to blow everyone's socks off, otherwise new ownership is just going to draft a 22-year old QB next year, especially if the team collapses and is in the Top 3 of the draft. To clarify, Weeden can't just be "good," he HAS to be "Great."

A. Buy it.

B. Buy it.

C. Doubt it, not if Joe Banner is running the ops, he has a history with Shurmur and will stay the course if there is positive improvement. I'd guess 7 wins saves the Shurminator.

D. Unless Weeden is horrible and they end up in the Top 3, I couldn't disagree with you more. Especially if your point B (Heckert stays) takes place. You think Heckert is gonna toss off his 1st round pick from the previous season? You fall asleep in a Taco Bell drive thru?

Weeden would have to be just awful AND it would have to be for someone who is clearly a better prospect than Weeden, and I'm not sure who that is in the 2013 draft (and don't you fuckin' say Barkley, I don't want that overrated doosh anywhere near this team).

Now, if ownership forces Heckert to draft a new QB then we got problems a lot bigger than QB.

[comish]

Totally agree with THIS /\ assessment of THAT (see above the above)

Holmgren is gone...might actually ride out the season....doesn't matter..GONE

NO WAY the new dude reboots the whole thing...of course I believe in what got started so I might be a little prejudiced in this opinion.

[justmebd]

Hey, I hope I'm wrong about the Weeden thing, and I know Heckert is the GM who drafted him . . . BUT (and it is a big BUT)

If it really was Holmgren who pulled the trigger on Weeden, and Holmgren no longer is in the office .. . you connect the dots if Weeden isn't a complete success, or looking far enough along in his progress . . . Just sayin'

Then again, with new ownership, this kind of thinking no longer will be necessary and it's just 12 years of this shit that has me thinking like this.

[jb]

[jb]

Before we get all woahisme TCE about our owenership, it could get a LOT worse.

Read this about Dan Snyder if you think that anything Gilbert/Lerner/Dolan has done is worse than what that asspirate is engineering here in the District.

http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/articles/40063/the-cranky-redskins-fans-guide-to-dan-snyder

Or, we could just pick average randonm examples, instead if picking one of the biggest didasters in NFL history.

Look, I get it, Snyders worse. Old Al Davis is worse - or any other laughingstock. But this isn't close to the MAJORITY of NFL owners. therefore you're VERY LIKELY to do better than what you currently have.

The whole "careful whatcha wish for." I'll take my chances - with the odds heavily in my favor.

Tell me which of the following owners you'd rather have than Lerner:

Mike Brown
Dan Snyder
Stephen Ross
Al Davis (you know, when he was alive not so long ago)

See? There are 3 owners that are still alive and noticeably worse... which I suppose just proves your point.

How in the HELL is SOP worse than Randy Lerner?

Doesnt matter. This is a done deal.

It is all coming together now.

If Banner is part of this as rumored then Holmgren retires after this season (if going from doing nothing to doing nothing is retirement) , Heckert stays in place, and Fritz's nephew is tenuous depedning on results.

The young talent is almost fully in place and has this season to brew. Next off season we get a UFA influx from an interested owner who wants to win now and we are off to the races. Being a Browns fan is about to get really, really fun.

As for Lerner, read the Fox Ohio piece by Pat MacManamaan. Randy Lerner is selling not one second longer than he possibly could have from a minimum timeline. He is literally getting out ASAP.

Hiko, WTF more do you need to know?

[jb]

Hey, I hope I'm wrong about the Weeden thing, and I know Heckert is the GM who drafted him . . . BUT (and it is a big BUT)

What does Weeden lack as a prospect?

[FUDU]

Hey, I hope I'm wrong about the Weeden thing, and I know Heckert is the GM who drafted him . . . BUT (and it is a big BUT)

What does Weeden lack as a prospect?

The potential to be out of football before he turns 27?

Otherwise I got nothin...

[Hikohadon]

Tell me which of the following owners you'd rather have than Lerner:

Mike Brown
Dan Snyder
Stephen Ross
Al Davis (you know, when he was alive not so long ago)

See? There are 3 owners that are still alive and noticeably worse... which I suppose just proves your point.

How in the HELL is SOP worse than Randy Lerner?

Doesnt matter. This is a done deal.

It is all coming together now.

If Banner is part of this as rumored then Holmgren retires after this season (if going from doing nothing to doing nothing is retirement) , Heckert stays in place, and Fritz's nephew is tenuous depedning on results.

The young talent is almost fully in place and has this season to brew. Next off season we get a UFA influx from an interested owner who wants to win now and we are off to the races. Being a Browns fan is about to get really, really fun.

As for Lerner, read the Fox Ohio piece by Pat MacManamaan. Randy Lerner is selling not one second longer than he possibly could have from a minimum timeline. He is literally getting out ASAP.

Hiko, WTF more do you need to know?

Why is everyone quoting something I said in mid-June rather than the stuff I said yesterday?

Yes, it's perfectly clear that Randy only held onto the team b/c he had to and is selling at his first opportunity. He was given a situation that would be a dream for most mortals and couldn't wait to dump it.

That IS all I need to know.

Yes, I fervently hope that this new guy isn't a horse's ass like the others I mentioned, but at the very least, at the absolute minimum, he WANTS to own this team. So sayonara Randy. Maybe the billion you make off this deal can help you field a decent soccer team.

[pod2dawg]

Here's hoping he is able to bring some of the scouting dept. with him from the squeelers.

[mattvan1]

If Banner is part of this as rumored then Holmgren retires after this season (if going from doing nothing to doing nothing is retirement) , Heckert stays in place, and Fritz's nephew is tenuous depedning on results.

I would like to share your optimism, but this is simply pure speculation on Heckert. So they both worked in the Eagles org - maybe they hated each others guts? Maybe not, but at this point waaaaaaay to ealy to tell what happens to the FO after the season.

Holmgren certainly gone, agree there. As far as the timing, could not be worse, IMO. Everything Lerner has touched Browns-wise turned into a dumpster fire, and just when the entire seal brown and orange nation is optimistic he bails. Poor Randy, can't even sell the team without shitting the bed. At least he has the "no move guarentee" in place

Better now than never, though.