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by Kingpin74 » Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:03 am
by jerryroche » Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:26 am
by googleeph2 » Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:37 am
by comish » Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:48 am
by jerryroche » Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:51 am
googleeph2 wrote:Agree, except about DiBiasio. He apparently does a nice job with the charities, but as a public information front office guy, the lack of promotion of the team falls on him to a large extent, no?
by Dnthateonthepronk » Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:57 am
by pup » Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:01 am
by Spin » Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:12 am
by WiscTribeFan » Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:06 pm
by British_Pharaoh » Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:20 pm
Kingpin74 wrote:4.5 isn't much of a deficit but the way the Tribe and the Tigers are playing, it might as well be 14.5. And I don't see us hanging around in the wild card jumble either. If that's the case, what deals should they consider? The only untouchables in my mind are Cabrera, Brantley, Kipnis, and Chisenhall (because they're too good and signed for too long) and Ubaldo and Santana (because I hate selling low). They could probably get a king's ransom for Choo right now but you're essentially throwing away next year, not to mention taking another giant PR hit. I don't see it happening. Perez is probably the one to trade because you have an able replacement ready to go and he doesn't like it here anyway. But you need someone desperate for a good closer. Anyone else I'm forgetting? I'd love to unload some of our free agents to be but they all stink right now (Lowe, Kotchman, etc.).
According to FOX Sports' Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi, the Giants have interest in Chris Perez.Perez, 27, has posted a sparkling 3.06 ERA and 1.05 WHIP in 35 1/3 innings this season as Cleveland's closer. But he's likely to top $7 million in salary arbitration heading into the 2013 campaign and the Indians have a decent group of setup men capable of stepping into the ninth-inning role. It's feasible that a trade could happen this year, whether with San Francisco or another club.
by googleeph2 » Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:27 pm
by pup » Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:58 pm
googleeph2 wrote:It's been stated here before, but how hard would it have been to market Kipnis/Chisenhall/Phelps somehow?Etc. Etc. If it were my full-time gig, I'd figure it out. Appearances, ads. Sponsorships of stuff.The New Generation.
by WiscTribeFan » Mon Jul 23, 2012 1:13 pm
British_Pharaoh wrote:If the next two-four series don't see us reduce the deficit then we may have to entertain possible offers for our coveted players like Perez.However we're still only 2ish games back of the second Wildcard.
by Dnthateonthepronk » Mon Jul 23, 2012 1:40 pm
by Am I Here Again? » Mon Jul 23, 2012 1:55 pm
by WiscTribeFan » Mon Jul 23, 2012 1:58 pm
Dnthateonthepronk wrote:But If they traded him now without getting any high impact guys, I would assume the real value would come from saving about 4.5 million dollars next year. Since they have so many in house candidates.
by dazindiansfanuk » Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:02 pm
Dnthateonthepronk wrote: Plus Sabean already said no Zach Wheeler deals this year, but then again it is the ML trading deadline so who the hell knows.
by Dnthateonthepronk » Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:32 pm
WiscTribeFan wrote:Dnthateonthepronk wrote:But If they traded him now without getting any high impact guys, I would assume the real value would come from saving about 4.5 million dollars next year. Since they have so many in house candidates.With the salary they will lose next year, I don't think his salary is that crucial. If they can't get back quality, there would be no reason to deal Perez, in my mind.
by Dnthateonthepronk » Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:38 pm
dazindiansfanuk wrote:Trading for Perez wouldn't be the same as trading for Beltran though - you'd get two extra years of control for Perez.We match up well with the Giants if they'd deal Brandon Belt. I've no idea if they would though.
by dazindiansfanuk » Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:06 pm
Dnthateonthepronk wrote:It would be like a rental because their real closer Brian Wilson would be back next year. So Perez would go to middle relief.
by pup » Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:14 pm
by Dnthateonthepronk » Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:20 pm
dazindiansfanuk wrote:I agree he would have less value next year for the Giants (assuming Wilson gets back to 100%), but he'll still maintain his market value.
by pup » Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:49 pm
Dnthateonthepronk wrote:dazindiansfanuk wrote:I agree he would have less value next year for the Giants (assuming Wilson gets back to 100%), but he'll still maintain his market value.I agree, but the question is what is his market value? He is a fringe closer who will make 7.5 million. Im not sure a lot of teams see him as a closer or a closer they want to attach their wagon too. It would be risky move for the Giants to trade top players for a guy thinking they can flip him later.
by Bigfist » Mon Jul 23, 2012 5:07 pm
by Doc » Mon Jul 23, 2012 5:35 pm
by skatingtripods » Mon Jul 23, 2012 6:07 pm
by Dnthateonthepronk » Tue Jul 24, 2012 11:02 am
pup wrote:How in the hell is Chris Perez a fringe closer?
by Dnthateonthepronk » Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:06 pm
by CleSportsTruth » Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:55 pm
by pup » Tue Jul 24, 2012 1:05 pm
by WiscTribeFan » Tue Jul 24, 2012 1:09 pm
Dnthateonthepronk wrote:pup wrote:How in the hell is Chris Perez a fringe closer? First let me say I'm well aware that Perez could be the next Bob Wickman. A guy who doesn't neccessarily wow you or has "the stuff" but gets the job done and is one of the most underrated players to put on a Cleveland uniform. IMO though he is more Kevin Gregg than Bob Wickman and its only a matter of time.
by Dnthateonthepronk » Tue Jul 24, 2012 1:24 pm
by LakeErieWarriors » Tue Jul 24, 2012 1:27 pm
CleSportsTruth wrote:On Choo, here's the question: Can the Indians reasonably contend next year? If not, then, :sigh:, trade him now. If you can contend, keep him.
by Commodore Perry » Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:09 pm
by Dnthateonthepronk » Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:13 pm
by LakeErieWarriors » Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:14 pm
by LakeErieWarriors » Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:19 pm
Commodore Perry wrote:I think the Indians need to be seen in a new light by the organization and the city.The Cleveland Indians are NOT going to win a World Series. Accept it. Let it sink in. If it were to happen it would be the result of serendipity, an extremely lucky run, lightening captured in a bottle... and not the result of deliberate action by the front office. In that light, what is the purpose of this team? Its not to provide that ultimate gratification for a fan base of a championship season. Rather its to provide ENTERTAINMENT on a day to day basis. The games should be fun to watch on average. To trade a player now that is fun to watch with the hopes of getting players in return to help you win the World Series is a folly. Trading a player that is reaching his prime and is fun to watch for prospects who will only be traded as they become fun to watch is nonsense. Its not giving the one thing to the fan base that can be given, a reasonably fun game to watch on a nightly basis. Even as bad as they've played, they still have a 50/50 chance of winning a ball game on any given night, sometimes dramatically. Why trade that away? It is the only realistic goal this city and organization should have for the club.
by bac5665 » Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:22 pm
by Dnthateonthepronk » Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:36 pm
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