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by Adverb Harry » Thu Jul 19, 2012 8:32 pm
by Adverb Harry » Thu Jul 19, 2012 8:33 pm
by gotribe31 » Thu Jul 19, 2012 9:12 pm

by Adverb Harry » Thu Jul 19, 2012 9:29 pm
by Prosecutor » Thu Jul 19, 2012 11:53 pm
by dazindiansfanuk » Fri Jul 20, 2012 5:09 am
Prosecutor wrote:Raffie Perez is making rehab starts and should be ready to join the Tribe after another 2-3 outings. I wonder if Allen goes back down when Raffie is ready.
by Prosecutor » Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:33 am
by peeker643 » Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:09 am
Prosecutor wrote:Good point, Daz. So who goes when Raffie is ready? Sipp is slowly turning his season around, and I think they like having two lefties in the pen. Accardo has been OK, although he only pitches in garbage time. I'm guessing Accardo since Allen can slip right into his role while he transitions to the bigs. And Accardo is just filler until the next prospect is ready.
by gotribe31 » Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:25 pm
Adverb Harry wrote:The kid really does have impressive numbers. I've actually followed his progress a bit all season long. Definitely could be a difference maker if he can transition quickly enough. I was just being sarcastic when I started the thread because it's been a long day and I'm in a crappy mood.
Columbus seems to be a hitters' haven, which is why we've dismissed (rightly so) the performances of guys like LaPorta. To see those kind of numbers in a supposed hitter-friendly environment makes them even more impressive. Still only 24. Can you give us an idea of his home/away splits? I'd love to hear that he pitched well at home.
And what is your Twitter handle again? Seen it, but too lazy to look it up. That way, in the future, credit will rightly go where credit is due.

by peeker643 » Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:15 pm
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE July 20, 2012
INDIANS PROMOTE RHP CODY ALLEN
FROM AAA COLUMBUS
Selected by Cleveland in the 23rd Round of the 2011 First-Year Player Draft
CLEVELAND, OH-The Cleveland Indians today announced the club has selected the contract of RHP CODY ALLEN from the Triple-A Columbus Clippers. To allow room on the Major League roster, the Indians optioned LHP SCOTT BARNES to AAA Columbus.
Allen, 23, has enjoyed a quick ascent through the Indians Minor League system after being selected in the 23rd round (698th overall) of the 2011 First-Year Player Draft out of High Point University (NC). He has split the 2012 season between Class-A Carolina, AA Akron and, most recently, AAA Columbus, going a combined 3-2 with 3 saves and a 1.87 ERA in 31 relief appearances (43.1IP, 25H, 9R/ER, 9BB, 53K). He is averaging 11 strikeouts per 9.0IP with a walk/9.0IP ratio of 1.9 while limiting Minor League hitters to a .166 (25-151) average against for the season.
Allen began the campaign with the Carolina Mudcats where he made 2 scoreless appearances before being promoted to AA Akron on April 10. He was later elevated to Columbus on April 26 and has since posted a mark of 3-2 with 2 saves and a 2.27 ERA in 24 outings with the Clippers (31.2IP, 22H, 8R/ER, 9BB, 35K, .195AVG). Since June 7th he owns an ERA of 0.56 (16.0IP, 5H, 1R/ER, 17K, .098AVG) in 13 appearances and has not allowed a run over his last 5 outings (6.0IP, 3H, 6K). His two-year professional ERA is 1.74 (98.0IP, 60H, 19ER, 23BB, 128K) with a .175 (60-343) average against. He is making his debut at the Major League level wearing #37.
Barnes has posted an ERA of 8.10 (10.0IP, 12H, 9R/ER, 7BB, 10K) over 7 relief outings for the Indians this season.
by Prosecutor » Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:11 pm
peeker643 wrote:Prosecutor wrote:Good point, Daz. So who goes when Raffie is ready? Sipp is slowly turning his season around, and I think they like having two lefties in the pen. Accardo has been OK, although he only pitches in garbage time. I'm guessing Accardo since Allen can slip right into his role while he transitions to the bigs. And Accardo is just filler until the next prospect is ready.
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You don't bring a 23 yr old up to get irregular mop-up innings.
Ever.
Just tell me how old the last three mop up guys have been and when the last time the Indians brought up a kid to pitch once a week or every ten days.
by peeker643 » Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:21 pm
Prosecutor wrote:peeker643 wrote:Prosecutor wrote:Good point, Daz. So who goes when Raffie is ready? Sipp is slowly turning his season around, and I think they like having two lefties in the pen. Accardo has been OK, although he only pitches in garbage time. I'm guessing Accardo since Allen can slip right into his role while he transitions to the bigs. And Accardo is just filler until the next prospect is ready.
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You don't bring a 23 yr old up to get irregular mop-up innings.
Ever.
Just tell me how old the last three mop up guys have been and when the last time the Indians brought up a kid to pitch once a week or every ten days.
Yeah, I guess you're right. So whose role does he take? Closer? No, I think they still like Chris Perez. Vinnie? Smith? How about Rogers? Which guy do you think gets pushed down so our 23-year-old rookie who started the season in AA doesn't get stuck with mop-up duty? Like Barnes did. Hey, how old is Barnes, anyway?
I just have this nutty idea that when you bring up a kid like this you break him in gently by pitching him in non-pressure situations until the jitters are gone and he proves he can get big league hitters out, then gradually ease him into "higher leverage" situations and see how he responds. Especially when the team is in contention and 1/2 game out of the wild card race.
But that's just Pros being Pros. I'm sure you're right and the Indians will throw him right into the deep end to sink or swim.
by Prosecutor » Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:46 pm
- PeeksLow leverage situations to get his feet wet. If he succeeds he advances in the pecking order. If he doesn't he goes back. He doesn't take Accardo's job himself.
- ProsecutorI just have this nutty idea that when you bring up a kid like this you break him in gently by pitching him in non-pressure situations until the jitters are gone and he proves he can get big league hitters out, then gradually ease him into "higher leverage" situations and see how he responds.
by peeker643 » Sat Jul 21, 2012 10:57 am
Prosecutor wrote:- PeeksLow leverage situations to get his feet wet. If he succeeds he advances in the pecking order. If he doesn't he goes back. He doesn't take Accardo's job himself.- ProsecutorI just have this nutty idea that when you bring up a kid like this you break him in gently by pitching him in non-pressure situations until the jitters are gone and he proves he can get big league hitters out, then gradually ease him into "higher leverage" situations and see how he responds.
Sounds like we're on the same page here. Except that you draw a distinction between "mop-up" (my term) and "low leverage situations" (yours). Like tonight's game where he came in with the Tribe down 8-1. Mop-up or low leverage? Not worth quibbling about semantics.
The kid throws hard, I'll say that much. Pretty cool that he was a 23rd round pick last year and is only the second player from his draft to make it to the bigs. I'll bet that doesn't happen often, maybe never before. Hope he sticks around a while. Barnes pitched four straight 1-2-3 innings before he imploded so it will take some time to get a read on Allen.
By the way, between Lowe and Tomlin those "low leverage situations" might be more frequent than you expect.
by swerb » Sat Jul 21, 2012 12:14 pm
by Erie Warrior » Sat Jul 21, 2012 1:49 pm
swerb wrote:Love seeing kids that can throw this hard and miss bats. Hope he can make it and stick.
Mesa, Tavarez, Shuey, Plunk, Grimsley. That crew could bring it.


by Adverb Harry » Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:05 pm
Erie Warrior wrote:swerb wrote:Love seeing kids that can throw this hard and miss bats. Hope he can make it and stick.
Mesa, Tavarez, Shuey, Plunk, Grimsley. That crew could bring it.
Keeerrrrr- Plunk!
by leadpipe » Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:06 pm
Adverb Harry wrote:Erie Warrior wrote:swerb wrote:Love seeing kids that can throw this hard and miss bats. Hope he can make it and stick.
Mesa, Tavarez, Shuey, Plunk, Grimsley. That crew could bring it.
Keeerrrrr- Plunk!
For some totally irrational reason, I couldn't stand Plunk back then. Don't ask me why. Maybe it was the hair and glasses and the kind of nerdy look he projected. Gave him no credit when he pitched the team out of jam after jam, and gave him all kinds of shit if he so much as put a runner on. Looking back, he was one helluva reliever the whole time he was with us...numbers were down a bit his last couple years in 97 and 98, but I'd take even that kind of consistency anytime now.
If I ever see him in public, I owe him an apology for the terrible things I said about him (and probably his mother, too) back then. I was young and dumb. (Which probably explains how I thought calling Paul Assenmacher "Ass-Maker" was the pinnacle of wit and humor.)
by pod2dawg » Sun Jul 22, 2012 1:03 pm
leadpipe wrote:
He was how you could identify all the douche yuppies checking out a new stadium though. He'd come in from the pen and some guy was bitching so all others could hear, to try to show people he knew what was going on. He did this with a cell phone in his ear, and then got in his bright yellow car and went home.
.... no, first he would then either drop on over to the Greenhouse for some overpriced beers or slide on out to the Marriot ( East) for the free nachos & con queso.Return to Cleveland Indians & MLB
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