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Re: Kris Humphries possibly to Cavs...

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:29 pm

The Cavs don't want Brooks, thus the never-ending search for a fourth team.
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Re: Kris Humphries possibly to Cavs...

Unread postby rk » Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:43 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:The Cavs don't want Brooks, thus the never-ending search for a fourth team.


Woj just tweeted that the Cavs are out as part of a 3+ team deal. Almost like they were asking for more than anyone was willing to pay contrary to all the reports from the national guys over the last couple days. But I'm sure the holdup was just that HUMP, as a UFA, was unwilling to sign a 1 year contract. I'm sure that the reporting was correct and it was just a shock to all 3 GMs involved that the Cavs only wanted him for 1 year and that he was unwilling to sign for only 1 year.

Shocking.

And EE you're right I couldn't find a request for multiple 1s from the Cavs. But Windy and Co. at ESPN was reporting that they wanted 'multiple assets' in addition to Humpty. Since I do not think anyone considered the salary cap throwins being talked about that mean that they wanted more than just the #1. Maybe the 3 mil sweetner was enough of an asset? Or maybe they wanted more picks or different players?
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Re: Kris Humphries possibly to Cavs...

Unread postby Orenthal » Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:48 pm

This is a deal I do not mind seeing passed by, hopefully the Cavaliers understood their cap space gains more value as the lux tax becomes more oppressive, hence Hump on a 1yr deal...???
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Re: Kris Humphries possibly to Cavs...

Unread postby CAVSTRIBEBROWNSin07! » Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:52 pm

Ric Bucher:
Should also add: Cavs developing (furthering?) reputation as an annoying trade partner. Hard to pin down, constantly revising terms.
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Re: Kris Humphries possibly to Cavs...

Unread postby rk » Tue Jul 10, 2012 3:00 pm

CAVSTRIBEBROWNSin07! wrote:Ric Bucher:
Should also add: Cavs developing (furthering?) reputation as an annoying trade partner. Hard to pin down, constantly revising terms.


Sounds like he was clearly sourcing the Cleveland FO.

They were apparantly the only team even willing to consider being part of this deal and the other FOs are pushing out terms to national reporters and saying that Cleveland is holding it up using a BS reasoning that anyone would have considered a holdup from day one (HUMP signing for 1 year).

Yet they're developing a bad rep.
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Re: Kris Humphries possibly to Cavs...

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Tue Jul 10, 2012 4:48 pm

I have no doubt in my mind Bucher is schilling for an agent there (probably Fegan who reps Andy, HUMP and Dewey), it is all he ever reports.

I do not believe the three most reliable and best in the business (including three reporters that CRUSHED the owners during the lockout) are schilling for the owners.

And I don't think Cleveland is being annoying to deal with, I think HUMP wants more than one year and that is the issue at hand.
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Re: Kris Humphries possibly to Cavs...

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Tue Jul 10, 2012 4:51 pm

And Fegan's split interests between Dewey and Hump massively complicates the entire "HUMP Takes 1 Year OR RUINS THE TRADE!!!!" angle.

Not to mention the Andy overlap.

Same way Gortat signing in Phoenix was one of the clinchers to getting Nash to LA.... and they both just happen to have the same agent.
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Re: Kris Humphries possibly to Cavs...

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Tue Jul 10, 2012 4:57 pm

Also, if you want to bring up schilling out... Jason Lloyd at the ABJ has become completely intolerable. Guy had zero sources as recently as last year so I offered himself up as a franchise mouth-piece and is one of the single least reliable beat writers out there. I'd prefer the nothing of the PD.
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Re: Kris Humphries possibly to Cavs...

Unread postby rk » Tue Jul 10, 2012 5:03 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:I do not believe the three most reliable and best in the business (including three reporters that CRUSHED the owners during the lockout) are schilling for the owners.


I don't think shilling is the right word. They are simply reporting via the best sources they have. If they're closed out of Cleveland but hearing from Orlando and Brooklyn then why wouldn't they report?

Besides with crowdsourced reporting in addition to all of the hacks out there they don't exactly get to sit on multisourced stories that will bring readers to their respective sites. When the sources blast the info out as widely as they did they have to report it. While they are better and looking past the crap they still have jobs to do.

And I don't think Cleveland is being annoying to deal with, I think HUMP wants more than one year and that is the issue at hand.


Right but why would anyone be surprised that he wants more than one year? So either the Cavs said we'd take him and a protected 1 for one year, when he did the expected and balked, they probably said either the teams sweetened the pot more or they pulled out. Which is pretty much what everyone on the first page of this thread said they should do. I doubt it changes anyones mind about the FO but it is what it is.

And for the most part the people who do have access to the Cavs FO seemed to be reporting that the Cavs were pretty much expecting that the deal wouldn't be consumated even while it was being reported.
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Re: Kris Humphries possibly to Cavs...

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Tue Jul 10, 2012 5:12 pm

No one has access to the Cavs FO anymore but the releases faxed to Lloyd and the occasional time Windy flies to Cleveland.

Again, you cannot act like these reporters are dumb enough (especially the first three to report it, as they have serious reps to protect) to just cater to certain front offices and ignore others. Especially when it was all of those three and they were all the first three to break the story.

Fegan is playing a huge role in all of this and most certainly playing huge games behind the scenes with both HUMP and Dewey.
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Re: Kris Humphries possibly to Cavs...

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:16 pm

Now this Houston - LA - Dewey trade makes a shit ton of sense, for everyone involved.
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Re: Kris Humphries possibly to Cavs...

Unread postby CP » Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:06 pm

All this sounds like the Nets were desperate to get the deal done, contacted Cleveland because of its cap space and penchant for accumulating draft picks and the Cavs responded by demanding more than the Nets were willing/able to give them.

Orlando was getting garbage back in this deal and probably wanted at least 4 first round draft picks plus Brook Lopez and Cleveland's demand to get back at least one first, as well as demanding that Hump take one year guaranteed eventually submarined it. No way Orlando was OK with Cleveland getting multiple assets in that trade which otherwise could go to the Magic if they make a deal with someone else.

Looks more like Howard could end up as a rental if he doesn't come to his senses.
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Re: Kris Humphries possibly to Cavs...

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:08 pm

Orlando already told Dwight talks are suspended.
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Re: Kris Humphries possibly to Cavs...

Unread postby peeker643 » Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:35 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:Orlando already told Dwight talks are suspended.


Well, at least they didn't ask Dewey if it would be okay with him if they suspended talks. Clear and convincing evidence the players aren't running the joint, that's what that is.
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Re: Kris Humphries possibly to Cavs...

Unread postby CP » Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:15 am

Talks are suspended... until someone else gives Orlando an acceptable offer.
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Re: Kris Humphries possibly to Cavs...

Unread postby CAVSTRIBEBROWNSin07! » Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:49 am

So is this the Dwight Howard thread or is the other Dwight Howard thread the Dwight Howard thread? I'm confused.
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Re: Kris Humphries possibly to Cavs...

Unread postby pup » Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:57 am

The real question is, does this make Chris Grant competent in E0's eyes? Or just less incompetent?
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Re: Kris Humphries possibly to Cavs...

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:58 am

It was a smart move, so I'll go with less incompetant. You need to hit on more than 25% of the 1st round picks you've made to be a competant GM.
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Re: Kris Humphries possibly to Cavs...

Unread postby pup » Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:21 am

e0y2e3 wrote:It was a smart move, so I'll go with less incompetant. You need to hit on more than 25% of the 1st round picks you've made to be a competant GM.


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Re: Kris Humphries possibly to Cavs...

Unread postby CAVSTRIBEBROWNSin07! » Tue Jul 17, 2012 10:45 am

Hump gets 2/24 from the Nets.
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Re: Kris Humphries possibly to Cavs...

Unread postby rk » Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:51 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:It was a smart move, so I'll go with less incompetant. You need to hit on more than 25% of the 1st round picks you've made to be a competant GM.


Grant's picks started last year, right? So from the Department of Very Small Sample Sizes it's looking more like 50%.

However both the 'successes' were picks that he traded for. He's batting .000 on original Cavs picks. Here's hoping we trade for a 1st next year or just dump the Cavs first for someone with actual NBA skills.
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Re: Kris Humphries possibly to Cavs...

Unread postby rk » Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:54 pm

CAVSTRIBEBROWNSin07! wrote:Hump gets 2/24 from the Nets.


New NBA slogan: Where That Happens.

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Re: Kris Humphries possibly to Cavs...

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Thu Jul 19, 2012 12:11 pm

rk wrote:
e0y2e3 wrote:It was a smart move, so I'll go with less incompetant. You need to hit on more than 25% of the 1st round picks you've made to be a competant GM.


Grant's picks started last year, right? So from the Department of Very Small Sample Sizes it's looking more like 50%.

However both the 'successes' were picks that he traded for. He's batting .000 on original Cavs picks. Here's hoping we trade for a 1st next year or just dump the Cavs first for someone with actual NBA skills.


No, starting doesn't qualify as hitting on a draft pick.

I'll give him Horford, Josh Smith (even if he is the least reliable PF in the league not named Boozer) and Kyrie. Outside of that he's laid huge steam-piles of shit all over drafts for around a decade.
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Re: Kris Humphries possibly to Cavs...

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Thu Jul 19, 2012 12:12 pm

rk wrote:
CAVSTRIBEBROWNSin07! wrote:Hump gets 2/24 from the Nets.


New NBA slogan: Where That Happens.

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That's actually not the worst contract. Over-paying to make sure you only pay him for two years isn't even in the top five stupid things Billy's done in NJ this off-season.
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Re: Kris Humphries possibly to Cavs...

Unread postby noles1 » Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:23 pm

Is the Gerald Wallace trade #1, you think?

Have to imagine he's had worse but that one immediate stood out in my mind.
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Re: Kris Humphries possibly to Cavs...

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:32 pm

Brook Lopez for a max contract is #1, by a good bit.
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Re: Kris Humphries possibly to Cavs...

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:22 am

BTW: my bad, Grant did move to Cleveland immediately in 2005 so the only draft he was at his peak assistant GM title off in Atlanta was Josh Smith (who fits his jump high run fast mold too a T).

The other picks in the Aughts when he had attained at least some level of power:

2003: Boris Diaw (#21)

2002: Traded at some point in the Glen Robinson deal

2001: Traded Pau Gasol (#3 pick), Lorenzon Wright and Brandon Wright for Shareef Abdur-Rahim

2000: DeMarr Johnson (#6)

So I don't really know what the story there is, except picking Josh Smith was like picking a much better version of TT.

You can argue how much you want to attribute pre 2004 picks to him, so if you just stick with that line he has hit on Kyrie and Josh Smith, with the jury still out on TT, Waiters and Zeller. If you go back a year I'll give him Diaw.

I guess he hit on Green as well, so there is that.
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Re: Kris Humphries possibly to Cavs...

Unread postby CAVSTRIBEBROWNSin07! » Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:00 pm

Kris Humphries said he never was asked if he'd accept a sign & trade to Cleveland. So as usual, negotiations for Dwight never got that far.

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Re: Kris Humphries possibly to Cavs...

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:07 pm

To be fair, again, Fegan's role in all of that mess cannot be emphasized enough. Reppin' Andy, Dewey and HUMP is a big deal, especially when it is someone as "crafty" as Dan Fegan.
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Re: Kris Humphries possibly to Cavs...

Unread postby noles1 » Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:21 am

e0y2e3 wrote:Brook Lopez for a max contract is #1, by a good bit.



You're right. No doubt/argument there, was thinking more in the past not this recent off-season.
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