Kris Humphries possibly to Cavs...

[Big_Lu]

http://www.foxsportsohio.com/07/09/12/Cavs-could-assist-in-Nets-deal-for-Howar/msn_landing.html?blockID=758218&feedID=3725

[e0y2e3]

This has been reported by EVERY viable reporter in existence for two days now and you choose to link to that parasite Amico?

Christ.

The fact that you READ him makes me question your sanity.

And this move could either be really, really stupid (as in giving up cap space for a 27 year old PF that can't score aside from hustle buckets, isn't a plus defender and has one elite skill.... boarding). Or a smart move where they get Brooks or a frist rounder for taking on a contract for two years for a piece that they can flip to another team eventually (Hump should be the third big on a title contender, he has value in the league, just none to the Cavs).

Fucking. Sam. Amico.

Wow.

[CAVSTRIBEBROWNSin07!]

I don't understand this. The article says that the Cavs want Humphries on a 1 year deal, plus Marshon Brooks and a 1st rounder, for... what exactly? I would think the Cavs role in a 3teamer would be to give up a 1st to Orlando and take back a player from NJ, but here the Cavs want a 1st? Why can't they just sign Humphries then outright? And why would he agree to a 1 year deal? Nothing makes sense the way Amico broke it down, someone please explain.

[e0y2e3]

The Cavs can sign Hump outright, they have no use for him so they want assets in exchange for literally allowing the Dewey to NJ trade to happen.

This report, FYI, was stolen directly from Berger and Amick who had it late yesterday afternoon.

[CAVSTRIBEBROWNSin07!]

Gotcha. The ESPN piece explains it as you do. http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_ ... ward-trade

If this trade goes down, Dan Gilbert will once again be a laughingstock.

@johnhollinger I guess CP3 to the Lakers wud've been okay if Cleveland got a piece of it.

[pup]

Someone explain to me why Kris Humphries has to be a part of the deal at all.

Can't we facilitate the deal without him just as easily?

[StewieG]

Someone explain to me why Kris Humphries has to be a part of the deal at all.

Can't we facilitate the deal without him just as easily?

If the Nets are at the cap (which they are with the deals they signed, and the Johnson trade), then their incoming salary needs to match their outgoing salary (or be within I think 10% of it). So they have to resign Humphries, then trade him somewhere else. Orlando wants no part of him, so the Nets have to find a 3rd team with cap space to take his contract.

We don't want any part of Humphries either, but if we can get a decent pick and/or MarShawn Brooks out of the deal, then I say go for it. We could probably turn around and trade him at the deadline, assuming that's allowed under the CBA (not sure how long you have to wait to trade someone who was signed-and-traded for). Worst case, we trade him next offseason. And if we can't get picks/Brooks out of it, you get CDT to tell NJ and Orlando to go fuck themselves.

[e0y2e3]

This deal, between BYC issues and sheer size (Woj had it around 14 players and with even a fourth team now possible) is going to literally be calculated like a high end finance transaction. The amount of cap holds/BYC/etc shit in play is RIDICULOUS and the Nets are dancing an insane dance to pull it off.

And I'm pretty sure Hump would be BYC for 12 months making him untradable really. He'd be a piece they would most probably move the year after next.

[CAVSTRIBEBROWNSin07!]

Can someone answer this please?

And why would he agree to a 1 year deal?

The guy averaged a double double last year. He's not settling for less than 4/48.

[e0y2e3]

He averaged a double double two years ago and got a one year deal...

I doubt he agrees to a single year (which is part of this process), but thus far interest in his extremely limited skill set has been small, since he is most valuable as a third big for a contender.

Ryan Anderson, younger and better just settled for 4yr 36.

Batum, 23 years old and with a way higher upside/better all-around game already) just got 4/48.

If Kris "I rebound well" Humphries gets $48MM someone must be dumb enough to give Jeff Green $36MM.

Nevermind. He's still not getting that kind of money.

[rebelwithoutaclue]

Can someone answer this please?

And why would he agree to a 1 year deal?

The guy averaged a double double last year. He's not settling for less than 4/48.

He also waited forever to get any offer before last year. He's not the same as other NBA players because of the Kardashian fiasco. Look at him as the reverse-Tebow; however justified, teams avoid him because of the baggage he brings.

[e0y2e3]

Naw, he isn't the same as any other NBA player because of his skills.

[CAVSTRIBEBROWNSin07!]

I know who he is and the circumstances that brought us here. None of that changes that a man with his skill and production level gets a 4 year contract, especially on the heels of only getting the 1 year deal last time around.

[e0y2e3]

He will not get a deal bigger than the Green and Anderson deals and that is an absolute ceiling.

He isn't very good.

My guess is he ends up w/ 3 27ish.

Has a single team even had him in for a damn visit yet?

[e0y2e3]

(BTW: this is a brilliant play by him, because his best chance at getting four year is forcing he Nets to overpay to sell him)

[British_Pharaoh]

In addition to our involvement in the Dwightmare



If he doesn't extend his contract with the Lakers, Andrew Bynum reportedly has a short list of teams he would consider as a free agent in 2013 -- the Rockets, Mavericks and Cavaliers.
This might throw cold water on the Lakers' attempts to package Bynum in a deal for Dwight Howard, since Bynum "has shown no inclination to agree to an immediate extension if sent to Orlando." The Nets could face a similar conundrum in a package centered around Brook Lopez, since Lopez would have to agree to join the Magic -- so far he's been remarkably silent about his constant inclusion in trade talks.

Rotoworld

[leadpipe]

Can someone answer this please?

And why would he agree to a 1 year deal?

The guy averaged a double double last year. He's not settling for less than 4/48.

He also waited forever to get any offer before last year. He's not the same as other NBA players because of the Kardashian fiasco. Look at him as the reverse-Tebow; however justified, teams avoid him because of the baggage he brings.

Baggage has so litle to do with it. If he could PLAY, that wouldn't even be considered baggage.

I'd lean toward an organization that's been drop dead stupid for forty years.

[e0y2e3]

If the Cavs do this for the projected 2017 draft pick it's just pretty silly.

I mean, create another force in your conference in exchange for a low first rounder five years from now!!!!

If the Cavs do this for a projected 2017 draft pick and with anymore than one year guaranteed for HUMP this is just fucking spectacularly bad and stands against every good thing they have done post rebuild (which even if they blew draft picks, they had at least held flexiblity).

I'm also less annoyed now that Batum is going to be reupped in Portland.

[andrew6586]

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_ ... ward-trade
Interesting. We would lose Walton and would gain Humphries, Quinten Richardson, Sundiata Gaines, a Nets first round pick and some cash. We would keep all of our picks and would only lose a bad contract. Anyone believe this is a bad deal? I may have missed something in the article but I didn't notice if we give anything else up.

[e0y2e3]

This is a pointless deal.

The Cavs would need to get Hump on a one year deal and the Nets 2013 or 2015 first rounder for this to really make any sense. Otherwise it is a wash of shit for shit, with Hump at least potentially being tradeable at the deadline (and if they pulled of a subsequent deal I'd be all good).

The Cavs do not want Hump, they can sign him outright right now and have no intentions on it, they want draft picks. My question is, why in the fuck make an Eastern Conference Superpower for a gawd damn 2017 draft pick alone?

[Ziner]

Can someone help explain why we don't want Brooks instead of a what is likely to be at 25th pick in 2016?

I dont see why the Clippers have to be involved. Maybe so they can offer another pick before 2017?

[Ziner]

My question is, why in the fuck make an Eastern Conference Superpower for a gawd damn 2017 draft pick alone?

You, of all people, can't connect those dots?

[bookelly]

Would this trade affect our ability (cap space) to sign Bynum? Are the other players, besides Hump, any good?

[OldDawg]

The Cavs do not want Hump, they can sign him outright right now and have no intentions on it, they want draft picks.

And they have done so well with those draft picks lately.
We have managed to completely blow top two 5 picks and now we covet 1st round picks in the 20s?

[e0y2e3]

1) I cannot believe that a year after writing an email threatening Stern for a trade twice as bad as this (the CP3 trade) Gilbert would let this go through just as a means of screwing the Heat. Frankly, I think the increased luxury tax money from NYC (he would have lost a chunk of luxury tax money in the LA deal) is what is letting him ignore the situation and Grant do whatever

2) the other two players are shit salary cap filler

3) Andrew Bynum is not coming here. His agent just listen three teams that will have cap space (Dallas, Cleveland and Houston) in an effort to stop a trade to Orlando and to make sure LA knows he'll fuck with them if they fuck with him. His agent is playing games to make sure LA treats bitchy and cancerous Bynum right until they can lock him up.

4) The Clippers pick is supposedly going to Orlando. So unless Orlando is willing to wait until 2017 for one of these picks that is what the Cavs are getting in the deal.

5) Even though I think Brooks has legit scoring off the bench sixth man potential, IMO, the Cavs passed on him to not step on Waiters toes.

End of the day this deal doesn't hurt the Cavs per-say, but it makes a force in their conference that will be together for a good chunk of Kyrie's first contract. All for a draft pick after Kyrie's contract expires? The only way it makes sense is if they flip HUMP mid-season for another first. Otherwise I'm just at a loss or the reports are missing some key variable.

[OldDawg]

5) Even though I think Brooks has legit scoring off the bench sixth man potential, IMO, the Cavs passed on him to not step on Waiters toes.

Kinda like we passed on TRobinson in the draft as to not step on TT's toes?

My fear is that Humphries, who averaged a double-double, gets us a couple more wins next year. I have already tanked next season and am already counting ping pong balls. And hoping they fire Grant and hire eye as GM as to not blow the pick(s).

[e0y2e3]

Hump is a worse player than Andy, by a solid chunk.

Same O, slightly better rebounder but meh he was playing next to literally no center last year and Brook "allergic to rebounds" Lopez the year before and is meh as hell on D. He's a true hustler energy big off the bench on a quality team (or a starter next to a very good center).

[bookelly]

Looks like Jordan is trying to cock-block the Cavs role in this deal. Bobcats want Hump.

/from eyo's analysis - this doesn't seem like a make or break deal for the Cavs...so I personally am indifferent.

[mattvan1]

Looks like Jordan is trying to cock-block the Cavs role in this deal. Bobcats want Hump.

/from eyo's analysis - this doesn't seem like a make or break deal for the Cavs...so I personally am indifferent.

I find it fascinating that the owner is acting like a vindictive 13 year girl who was previously embarrassed and now, 2 years later, is out for revenge.

[CAVSTRIBEBROWNSin07!]

Sundiata Gaines

FUCK SUNDIATA!

My question is, why in the fuck make an Eastern Conference Superpower for a gawd damn 2017 draft pick alone?

Cuz if its not the Cavs its a different team in a different trade mashup. Dwight to the Nets is inevitable - may as well get SOMETHING out of it, regardless of how little the perceived value is.

I have already tanked next season and am already counting ping pong balls.

Have you seen the shit that is the Eastern Conference 2013? The Cavs could slip in to the playoffs.

[peeker643]

As I said earlier on Twitter, I never want to hear another fucking peep out of anyone who bitches about the competitive imbalance in the league but approves of the Cavs helping to bring more of it about.

Let some other team take all this 'value' and be the assholes. Kinda like the 'value' the Cavs got out of the LBJ sign and trade. Is it better than zero? Yep. Is it worth crying like a bitch about how these guys pave their own ways to the major markets and then being the one that greases the skids?

Fuck no.

And how many Kris Humphries/Andy Varejao/Tristan Thompson garbage men/hustle guys does one team fucking need? Find some asshole who can spot up and knock down a goddamn shot or some asshole who's meaner than Marvin Barnes or Kenyon Martin who will at least lay the wood to someone banging on Kyrie.

Sick of this shit. This is a losing mentality when you just hope your club is 'involved' in a big deal so they can collect another useless pick that they can package with another useless pick for a mid round prospect. Y'all want Chris Grant with more picks? After people have completely melted about the guys he's taken at the fourth spot in these drafts.

I hate sports.

[e0y2e3]

The East is markedly better next year than this year, for starters.

Secondly, yeah, teams with cap space that are willing to eat HUMP for a year or two are just jumping out of the woodwork, obviously, that is why this stupid fucking trade still isn't done.

It's retarded to do this for a 2017 pick alone, period. Something, anything better than that and we are talking, otherwise it's completely illogical.

[CAVSTRIBEBROWNSin07!]

I was just explaining why the Cavs would do it, not endorsing it. Love the rant though.

[peeker643]

I was just explaining why the Cavs would do it, not endorsing it. Love the rant though.

Wasn't directed at you. Just pisses me off and reiterates once more that it ain't never about anything except the money.

Competitive balance my hairy bean bag.

[bookelly]

I may be wrong (and I often am), but don't the Cavs HAVE to spend some monie$ this summer? I believe there is a cap floor and maybe this deal is a creative way to reach it at the minimum level while gaining the #1 pick as a bonus.

Better than having to overspend on some backup 'whatever' right? Hell, the margins are so thin in sports this extra Net pick may be a nice chip to have.

[e0y2e3]

No, the amnestied money was allowed to count against the salary cap floor, but not the salary cap. I still don't understand how that works but it does.

[e0y2e3]

I was just explaining why the Cavs would do it, not endorsing it. Love the rant though.

Wasn't directed at you. Just pisses me off and reiterates once more that it ain't never about anything except the money.

Competitive balance my hairy bean bag.

He complained about the LA CP3 trade because it cut his tax money down and this one will increase it.


$$$$$



That is the only sense I can make of the hypocrisy.

[dmiles]

Walton = useless guy gone.

Is the primary outrage that we didn't get enough? Humphries is a tradeable asset, and you get another draft pick here. I don't think this was the case of Gilbert doing this out of spite, towards the Heat.

I say all this not evaluating who all is currently rostered for next season but wouldn't Cleveland would have had to pick up guys similar to Quentin Rich anyway to fill out the 2012-2013 roster?

[e0y2e3]

Walton and Hump are useless on this roster. Walton is only going as cap filler, nothing else. Walton and his $6MM towel waiving means nothing regarding this trade, he is a non-entity and his uselessness is being replaced by Q-Rich and Sundiatta Gaines.

This is simple, if the Cavs get a 2017 first rounder and trade Hump for a real asset the deal is fine.

And the market on Hump is so hot not a single team has had him in for a visit yet.......

If the Cavs get a 2017 and let Hump expire after a year or two or whatever this is completely ridiculous.

And I agree this has nothing to do with spite toward the Heat. It's just a silly move they are making and the EXACT same move Gilbert cried about last year when it would have cut into his checkbook a little bit.

[dmiles]

I am probably giving too much credit to Hump here but I can just see someone hitting the playoffs with depth issues needing a 6-7-8 man.

Of course MJ seems to be getting involved as was pointed out earlier. Totally agree on letting the asset expire and let's face it, going back to Wally, we have a history of not getting anything done our expiring assets. Now I am throwing Jamison into that, I assume we all hoped we could get something for him at some point but no buyers. I am not sure if Mo for the draft pick (Kyrie) was expiring or not so perhaps that's one exception.

[e0y2e3]

Presti played this game with Kurt Thomas and turned him into first round picks in consecutive years.

Grant is playing this game and his initial take looks to be a 2017 first rounder.

Big difference.

Again, I'll be fine with it all if he moves Hump for a real benefit to the team, but that is a hell of a lot of hope, even for a guy that could help a playoff team. Fuck we've sat on Andy now for two seasons....

[peeker643]

Presti played this game with Kurt Thomas and turned him into first round picks in consecutive years.

Grant is playing this game and his initial take looks to be a 2017 first rounder.

Big difference.

Again, I'll be fine with it all if he moves Hump for a real benefit to the team, but that is a hell of a lot of hope, even for a guy that could help a playoff team. Fuck we've sat on Andy now for two seasons....

And Andy ain't getting any younger. That means his balls out style of play will likely lead to injury yet again.

IF they are part of this deal and take Humphries for two years or so then they have to deal Andy (whose deal runs for two more year + a team option for about what they'd likely pay Humphries). Humphries and Varejao are redundant for all intents and purposes (though I agree Andy is peskier and a more willing defender) and Humphries is 3 years younger.

And Andy brings more in a deal than Humphries would.

[Madre Hill, Superstar]

As I said earlier on Twitter, I never want to hear another fucking peep out of anyone who bitches about the competitive imbalance in the league but approves of the Cavs helping to bring more of it about.

Let some other team take all this 'value' and be the assholes. Kinda like the 'value' the Cavs got out of the LBJ sign and trade. Is it better than zero? Yep. Is it worth crying like a bitch about how these guys pave their own ways to the major markets and then being the one that greases the skids?

Fuck no.

Meh. The Dwight Howard Soap Opera is about to add in D-Will, the rotting albatross of Joe Johnson, AVERY JOHNSON, and That Meddling Russian Oligarch. Dan Gilbert isn't helping build a superteam, he's helping to create a sitcom.

[rk]

Not to piss on the hate parade but every report talking about the sources has stated that they are not from the Cavs and that the Cavs are completely quiet. This 'news' is pretty obviously being generated by a team that is trying to convince other teams to take the Cavs role. If Charlotte's alleged interest is true then it must have worked.

Only reports I saw that made any sense regarding the Cavs had them wanting Hump at max 1 year guaranteed and looking for -2- first round picks or at least one legit player. Which is why the rumors that this is imminent are out there. Since nothing is coming out close to that I'm thinking the indignation about the Cavs being involved in talks is a little overblown.

And for all the fears of 'super teams' I don't see people too worried about the Knicks anymore. The only way Miami made it work was by having Wade relegated to third option by his boo-boos and Bosh stepping up the the second option. And Lebron becoming better at everything he does.

[e0y2e3]

Sorry RK, but Berger, Amick and Woj are not going to be sucked into being mouth pieces, not every single one of them. Best three national guys in the business aren't all going to schill themselves out.

There has never been a report from a real source saying the Cavs wanted 2 firsts from anyone of value and everyone agrees they want 1 year guaranteed, but that is pretty damn dependant on HUMP.

[e0y2e3]

PS: Dwight, D-Will and Joe Johnson is going to be a force. That is a perfect and logical team composition.

Melo has never and will never be a title winner, as he is the most selfish player in the NBA and Amare could only go to NYC because his knees were so shot no insurance company on earth would cover him. No one feared the Knicks becoming a Super Team ever. However when Joe Johnson, who as a #3 is going to be a better third fiddle than Wade for the next couple years is the third piece you are going to be real fucking good. Especially when considering that outside of LBJ Dewey is the most dominant player in the game.

[Gradysmanldy]

Any chance that in this process we can get Marshon Brooks in this fiasco?

....and before I get blasted, i'm not suggesting he's got great value; just seems like he's got a decent ceiling in the NBA. He either wore down or the league adjusted to him a bit last year, but at least he has some potential.

[Orenthal]

I may be wrong (and I often am), but don't the Cavs HAVE to spend some monie$ this summer? I believe there is a cap floor and maybe this deal is a creative way to reach it at the minimum level while gaining the #1 pick as a bonus.

Better than having to overspend on some backup 'whatever' right? Hell, the margins are so thin in sports this extra Net pick may be a nice chip to have.

The salary floor is pretty much an accounting transaction at the end of the season. Whatever you were below the threshold is spread amongst the current roster.

[Orenthal]

PS: Dwight, D-Will and Joe Johnson is going to be a force. That is a perfect and logical team composition.

Melo has never and will never be a title winner, as he is the most selfish player in the NBA and Amare could only go to NYC because his knees were so shot no insurance company on earth would cover him. No one feared the Knicks becoming a Super Team ever. However when Joe Johnson, who as a #3 is going to be a better third fiddle than Wade for the next couple years is the third piece you are going to be real fucking good. Especially when considering that outside of LBJ Dewey is the most dominant player in the game.

Inside, outside, and point guard. Agree 100%. These aren't redundant pieces, they compliment eachother.

[Orenthal]

Any chance that in this process we can get Marshon Brooks in this fiasco?

....and before I get blasted, i'm not suggesting he's got great value; just seems like he's got a decent ceiling in the NBA. He either wore down or the league adjusted to him a bit last year, but at least he has some potential.

Initially getting Brooks was what I heard, then it began to change cuz its assumed the Cavaliers value a first rounder (where? determines that) over Brooks. This is also why it seems a fouth team is needed to take on Brooks, offering another first rounder. Bobcats take Hump and Brooks, edging out Cavaliers blah blah blah...

e0 has the correct read. If you get a decent first that isn't 6,000 years off, and are able to flip Hump you essentially gave up about 1/3 of yer flexibility for 1-2 years this is a good deal. If you get a bleh pick and can't flip Hump or Andy or redundant piece...