Sandusky

[mattvan1]

<------- Proud PSU fan who wanted Paterno gone 15 yrs ago

As for the football team, the hatas and the scribes I'll quote Chesty Puller:

"We're surrounded men. That simplifies things"

If u don't get it, you're one lame assed mo fo

Sorry, dude. Waaaaaay too early to separate the on the field team from the institution. Maybe by 2020.

I don't think thats what FMB is saying. He's just saying the reality is there will be fb in Tickle Monster Vally this fall and they will be reckoned with on the field.

Point taken. As long as PSU football is not painted as a team of heroic underdogs who over come a mountain of adversity, blah, blah, blah.

[e0y2e3]

But, they are going to be that.

You've never had to wake up and tell your ten year old what a pedophile is because you lived in Happy Valley and the press was ruining your chances at raising your kid at your own pace? Have you?

Stop. Grouping. Everyone. There. Together.

[mattvan1]

But, they are going to be that.

You've never had to wake up and tell your ten year old what a pedophile is because you lived in Happy Valley and the press was ruining your chances at raising your kid at your own pace? Have you?

Stop. Grouping. Everyone. There. Together.

I'm not. Just saying that from my (perhaps narrow and overly shallow) POV I will not be able to seperate the team from the scandal. Unfair? Yes.

As an aside, not sure why/how the press gets the blame for reporting what should have been uncovered a decade ago. Maybe I'm missing the point?

[e0y2e3]

I'm not blaming the press for reporting things (see Wetzel, Dan), I am blaming the other press for taking over a town for a trial during intermissions between Trayvon and the next movie of the week.

I already told you guys bad news for PSU is coming, not much more I can say, but stop being shallow fucks. Stop supporting PSU being the E! Story of the week (HI CASEY, YOU'RE AN OHIAN RIGHT!!! I knew her grandparents guys, they live near JB, we should set up tents on his lawn) and stop fucking with people's families.

[FUDU]

No one is holding contempt for the players on the field, or the students at the school, this coming fall. Those in positions of power are the ones that are and will be held in contempt. Even if it is the slightest bit unfair (which it probably isn't) that is something they will have to deal with.

Maybe the next time the Nittany Lion won't turn its head the other way.

[e0y2e3]

I mean, I'm just glad you all celebrated and cheered when Sandusky was found guilty, because that made the whole situation better!!!

[FUDU]

Justice was served and done, a tribute to the people who made the efforts to do so, and a tribute to our system for getting it right, even though it seems only on occasion. I mean the dude admitted his own guilt FFS. The sad part is those are the situations in life we should be cheering for, not for Dbags in sold out arenas entertaining us.

If you took the posters off your wall you might get all that.

[e0y2e3]

There is not a single thing worth cheering about this situation, if you were an adult you would get that.

[FUDU]

A proven, known and convicted child molester was taken out of circulation and can no long harm anyone, I will cheer that every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

[e0y2e3]

Yep, after 60 kids were effected.

And the guy is obviously mentally ill (and in most instances child molesters were almost all molested as children).

And the guy is really, really old and near death now... without ever having been *found* as a sick kid (molested or not, guy is ill) and he has almost certainly left other sick children out there to pray on others.

I'm glad after the fact justice makes you happy. It makes me sick.

And I'm especially glad you all can trot around here and talk shit about a COMMUNITY that now owns having this sick man living amongst them and has to deal with and adapt to it on there own.

Fucking Children

[FUDU]

LOL, nice attempt at guilt diversion retard. Exactly who was responsible for taking action on Sandusky all these years, Ziner in Colorado, Bayou in LA, myself and JB in Ohio or FMB himself in PA?

You don't have to look any further than his kitchen most likely, his street, or outside of 4 miles of his day to day commute.

As to his inner demons and how that all got started, that is the only sad part of the story on his behalf. B/C most likely his behavior was learned, and at some point in his life (probably as a child) he was not the Jerry Sandusky the world knows today. As an adult he had a chance to resolve that situation, but if he was surrounded by enablers and cowards that only made his situation that much more blurry, but it doesn't give him a reprieve on his responsibilities as an adult. Yeah he was sick, but he wasn't born with a special genome in his DNA sick.

The people that finally put this fuck behind bars should have statues made in their images and libraries and streets named after them.

[e0y2e3]

It is really comforting that you own a gun.

I'm glad he is behind bars.

Still nothing to cheer about. This is an AMERICAN TRAGEDY. Nothing more and nothing less. Now go drink your Bud Light, sit in your Dart and fondle your pistal. Childish. White. Trash.

[e0y2e3]

I still come back to this as the best *initial* reaction I saw: http://sports.nationalpost.com/2011/11/ ... py-valley/

[FUDU]

American tragedy...JFC can you make this any more dramatic.

Your POV would be taken half seriously if you had even a little credibility with this medium, but we're long past that.

This shit happens all too often, every day, just not so often in such a highly visible venue (that we know of). Which is the part you seem to want to ignore. It was covered up by many many people for many many years. This is a human tragedy, just like every other similar case, to which justice is often not swift nor served.

This man admitted guilt and got a fair trial (a very important part of the process) and is now no longer able to solicit his evil demons upon others who are to weak to fend for themselves. He is now behind bars. What he has done to others cannot be undone, what was most likely done to him cannot be undone. Now what is equally as important to justice being served is that the victims can start the chapter of closure in their lives and he can possible get the rehabilitation to in the least allow himself to die while resolving his own personal issues, and if for him that means before God than so be it.

But you can keep trying to make this all about you "getting" what everyone else doesn't.

The last word is all yours.

[e0y2e3]

Most adults get it. You don't.

[Madre Hill, Superstar]

You've never had to wake up and tell your ten year old what a pedophile is because you lived in Happy Valley and the press was ruining your chances at raising your kid at your own pace? Have you?

I don't know. I'd probably look over everything I would have taken for granted that was JoePa-related and ask myself some hard questions first.

[e0y2e3]

No doubt. Read the article I linked and talk to some people that love there. This is happening, every day. You have no idea the amount of introspective angst they have.

[Fire Marshall Bill]

<------- Proud PSU fan who wanted Paterno gone 15 yrs ago

As for the football team, the hatas and the scribes I'll quote Chesty Puller:

"We're surrounded men. That simplifies things"

If u don't get it, you're one lame assed mo fo

Sorry, dude. Waaaaaay too early to separate the on the field team from the institution. Maybe by 2020.

I don't think thats what FMB is saying. He's just saying the reality is there will be fb in Tickle Monster Vally this fall and they will be reckoned with on the field.

This ^^^^^^

They're young, experienced, motivated and have become closer as a result of the scandal

They will be dangerous

In any event, I care not about Jopa's legacy and I hope the connections to him mean we'll see less and less of his entitled, spoon-fed son, Jay

[motherscratcher]

Wetzel: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf--joe-paterno-role-jerry-sandusky-coverup-grows.html;_ylt=Au_rTycbizrao5j_6Z8.8Xk5nYcB

According to Curley's email, Paterno participated more than he ever admitted, including likely talking Curley – and thus the others – out of the plan to turn Sandusky over to authorities.

Take a second for that one to sink in.

[Fire Marshall Bill]

American tragedy...JFC can you make this any more dramatic.

Your POV would be taken half seriously if you had even a little credibility with this medium, but we're long past that.

This shit happens all too often, every day, just not so often in such a highly visible venue (that we know of). Which is the part you seem to want to ignore. It was covered up by many many people for many many years. This is a human tragedy, just like every other similar case, to which justice is often not swift nor served.

This man admitted guilt and got a fair trial (a very important part of the process) and is now no longer able to solicit his evil demons upon others who are to weak to fend for themselves. He is now behind bars. What he has done to others cannot be undone, what was most likely done to him cannot be undone. Now what is equally as important to justice being served is that the victims can start the chapter of closure in their lives and he can possible get the rehabilitation to in the least allow himself to die while resolving his own personal issues, and if for him that means before God than so be it.

But you can keep trying to make this all about you "getting" what everyone else doesn't.

The last word is all yours.

I have to side with e0...

There are no winners here and there is nothing to cheer about...not even a guilty verdict

The best that can ever be said is 'its about time'....insert perv's name

[FUDU]

I'm not cheering that he became this person, I'm cheering that he can no longer be that person.

[jb]

Penn Live keeps getting it done. Lots of thought provoking links here:

http://blog.pennlive.com/big-ten-football/2012/07/the_debate_continues_should_pe.html


http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/07/jerry_sandusky_case_ncaa_inves.html

[FUDU]

Right now I'm too down with the notion of a death penalty for the football program. IMO they can separate the two issues and if necessary issue some type of penalty to the athletic program that doesn't go overboard in punishing a lot of innocent people (student athletes to be specific).

[jb]

Most adults get it. You don't.

You may need to qualify "most".

I have no idea WTF your stance is here other than for some reason I can't put my finger on you have some odd emotional tie to State Perv. It is indeed a blessing that Jerry Sandusky, the Nittany Tickle Monster, has met some measure of legal justice even as legal justice never represetnts true recompence or undoing of the human toll in this or any other case of extreme violence or abuse.

Most adults might just see a sociological case study of a stinking cesspool that systematically covered up a monster. Of course this is not directed at EVERYONE in said cesspool so I suppose I may qualify as an "adult" for being able to reason out that distinction.

Only those who mattered and could have stopped him qualify, including Coach "Success with Honor" and that is now documented.

Meinsckeit, loyalty and "I did my job" only go so far in the course of ethical responsibility.

I think most adults get that, to coin a convenient if not arbitrary and meaningless blast.

Now all that is left is the de-Nazification that allowed this to take place for so long and an uprooting of a sick, sick culture.

[jb]

Right now I'm too down with the notion of a death penalty for the football program. IMO they can separate the two issues and if necessary issue some type of penalty to the athletic program that doesn't go overboard in punishing a lot of innocent people (student athletes to be specific).

I may be legalistic but I still can't see it. The analogy of what if this were the hospital and there was a pedophile surgeon protected by his butt buddies in one of the links was a sloid point.

OTOH, I think Emmert is on a mission and this is a career maker as if he's an aspiring DA. I think the interpretation of IC gets stretched and applied beyond letter of law and the program gets nailed.

The real issue is thatthe Commonwealth could be in for a 9 figure hit with civil suits and costs if you believe the rumors of a JS list and many more victims being out there.

[furls]

I think damages in excess of $100MM are coming, not question about it. In this particular case it is probably warranted. The direct representative of the university, the President, had knowledge of sexual assaults occurring on his campus and he opted to do nothing. He is almost as much to blame as Sandusky for each kid that got touched by Uncle Stinkyfinger Ticklemonster after the 2001 notification (and probably the 1998 notification), and as he is the head of the school and this occurred at the school because of his negligence, the school is ultimately culpable.

PSU is as clear a case of LOIC as I can imagine, as in this particular case the entire institution from the QB coach to the President of the university failed to protect simple human dignity in order to preserve the reputation of the football team and the school. Their priorities were completely fucked, and what really bothers me in this case is that it was such an EASY decision. I cannot for the life of me understand how anyone would have a hard time doing the right thing to protect children, if they were crotchety old men who were full of piss and vinegar, then the decision gets harder (still pretty clear cut), but these were CHILDREN.

You know that every time Spanier and the rest of them saw Sandusky anywhere near kids their skin crawled because they knew what he was and what he was doing, but none of them did anything about it for a decade. Hell, they probably didn't even have to see him with kids to throw up in their mouths, just looking at him had to have made them sick, yet still they did nothing. If that is not a fucked up institution, I don't know what is.

The sad fact of the matter is that none of this is really a clear cut NCAA violation, it all has to be contorted a bit in order to make it fit and that just underscores the worthlessness of the NCAA. Selling your own shit for tattoos, clearly against the rules.... Harboring a child molester, granting him access to the facilities for predatory purposes while the school scrambles to cover it up to protect themselves and the program; well that falls into a grey area.

I have confidence the NCAA will manipulate its rules to find a way to levy some type of punishment on the State Penn, unfortunately their rules are so fucking stupid that the NCAA will have to stretch to do so and that is the problem. I am not rooting for PSU to get some ridiculous penalties ala SMU, I am rooting for PSU to refind its priorities and remember that football is a game. I think the reasonable PSU fans, alumni and supporters have come to this conclusion, so I could care less what the NCAA does.

[furls]

I know that statute of limitations has come up in the past regarding this mess and how "old" it is. Here is some knowledge for you guys straight from the NCAA's own webpage:

Statute of Limitations 32.6.3:

Allegations included in a notice of allegations shall be limited to possible violations occurring not earlier than four years before the date the notice of inquiry is provided to the institution or the date the institution notifies (or, if earlier, should have notified) the enforcement staff of its inquiries into the matter. However, the following shall not be subject to the four-year limitation:

(a) Allegations involving violations affecting the eligibility of a current student-athlete;

(b) Allegations in a case in which information is developed to indicate a pattern of willful violations on the part of the institution or individual involved, which began before but continued into the four-year period; and

(c) Allegations that indicate a blatant disregard for the Association's fundamental recruiting, extra-benefit, academic or ethical-conduct regulations or that involve an effort to conceal the occurrence of the violation. In such cases, the enforcement staff shall have a one-year period after the date information concerning the matter becomes available to the NCAA to investigate and submit to the institution a notice of allegations concerning the matter.

(b) may apply. (c) certainly does. The coverup of the PSU staff member (TickleMonster Sandusky) continued well into last year and that rule can certainly be twisted any which way you want to ass rape PSU.

[danwismar]

Will emails from Penn State VP of Student Affairs about Paterno trigger NCAA?

Bruce Feldman of CBS Sports:

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootbal ... igger-ncaa

[e0y2e3]

These leaks and what will be in the Thursday report is what I was referring to earlier. Had the report release off by a day, but the info is thus far spot on.

[skatingtripods]

So, Paterno's a piece of shit. Not surprising.

Nobody at Penn State is coming out of this clean.

[Govbarney]

The state of Pennsylvania is going to go bankrupt paying off Civil Suits.

[CP]

Death penalty for the entire Penn State Athletic program is appropriate. Allow transfers by Penn State athletes to other schools.

[motherscratcher]

Death penalty for the entire Penn State Athletic program is appropriate. Allow transfers by Penn State athletes to other schools.

This.

I'd say that current players should be allowed to transfer and play right away. Schools could add up to 2/3 PSU players this season without having to take anyone else's scholly away. Or something to that effect.

Yeah, this is bad. But we've known that for a while.

[skatingtripods]

Death penalty for the entire Penn State Athletic program is appropriate. Allow transfers by Penn State athletes to other schools.

I also read that the Department of Education could decide not to offer federal student aid to Penn State.

I doubt it happens, since punishing the students who had nothing to do with this seems unfair, but it's apparently possible.

There is corruption everywhere in NCAA athletics, but outside of a couple singular instances (like the Baylor murder), this is beyond anything we have ever and probably will ever see. NCAA has to make a statement. But, I think they'll let the criminal/civil aspects play out first.

[Govbarney]

When SMU received the Death Penalty they allowed the players to transfer w/ out having to sit out a year, I would have to imagine that if it comes to that, they would give the same option to PSU players. I think the Death Penalty for the Football program might be in order, but I don't think the rest of the sports should have to suffer.

If I where Jim Delaney I would seriously consider exploring expelling PSU from the B1G.

[peeker643]

NCAA has to make a statement. But, I think they'll let the criminal/civil aspects play out first.

That could be years and years. Especially if any victims are still minors as the statute of limitations wouldn't even begin to run on civil cases until the minor turns 18. The minors would probably want to act before then to get their piece of financial pie but NCAA can't wait 3-15 years or so to hand down punishments. They need to be proactive with whatever penalties are handed down.

Especially with jury already finding Sandusky guilty and this report condemning the current or recently deposed leadership.

But I agree this report really isn't unexpected or 'news'. What it does do is give people and the media another opportunity to be disgusted.

[CP]

When SMU received the Death Penalty they allowed the players to transfer w/ out having to sit out a year, I would have to imagine that if it comes to that, they would give the same option to PSU players. I think the Death Penalty for the Football program might be in order, but I don't think the rest of the sports should have to suffer.

If I where Jim Delaney I would seriously consider exploring expelling PSU from the B1G.

Turning the other way went past Paterno and the football program for the financial benefit of Penn State as a whole. The entire athletic department received a benefit to their decision to cover this up. All of it should get the death penalty without exception.

[Govbarney]

...NCAA can't wait 3-15 years or so to hand down punishments. They need to be proactive with whatever penalties are handed down...

The next time the NCAA is 'proactive' and 'expedient' will be the first time. The Vatican is less reactionary.

[Govbarney]

When SMU received the Death Penalty they allowed the players to transfer w/ out having to sit out a year, I would have to imagine that if it comes to that, they would give the same option to PSU players. I think the Death Penalty for the Football program might be in order, but I don't think the rest of the sports should have to suffer.

If I where Jim Delaney I would seriously consider exploring expelling PSU from the B1G.

Turning the other way went past Paterno and the football program for the financial benefit of Penn State as a whole. The entire athletic department received a benefit to their decision to cover this up. All of it should get the death penalty without exception.

I understand what your saying , I just think it would suck for the Archery, Woman's Field hockey, Rowing Athletes who really had nothing to do with this , make no money for the university , and would have a tougher time transferring then a football player would.

[bac5665]

I do not think that Penn State should get the death penalty.

For this thing, you have to find the individuals responsible and punish them. And unless I'm missing something, no one who had anything to do with Sandusky is still there. So punishing Penn State is exactly like firing all of Enron's employees after the top executives all retired with golden parachutes.

The 4 executives involved, including Paterno if he were still alive, should be in prison. The archery athletes and the football players had absolutely nothing to do with it and should not be punished for the crimes of another.

[CP]

I understand what your saying , I just think it would suck for the Archery, Woman's Field hockey, Rowing Athletes who really had nothing to do with this , make no money for the university , and would have a tougher time transferring then a football player would.

Them's the breaks. The ones who are Olympic hopefuls will be able to transfer. They can play intermurals on those sports if they can't transfer. The others who want to play collegiate athletics have a decision to make. I'm sure other state schools in PA could accomodate them.

[CP]

I do not think that Penn State should get the death penalty.

For this thing, you have to find the individuals responsible and punish them. And unless I'm missing something, no one who had anything to do with Sandusky is still there. So punishing Penn State is exactly like firing all of Enron's employees after the top executives all retired with golden parachutes.

The 4 executives involved, including Paterno if he were still alive, should be in prison. The archery athletes and the football players had absolutely nothing to do with it and should not be punished for the crimes of another.

By the time every one of these schools is punished to this significant of a degree, there are never any of the involved who are still there. Ohio State has a postseason ban this year and all of the perpetrators are gone. None of the SMU players were there after the death penalty was imposed. USC got punished after Pete Carroll left.

School can't get out of a punishment by firing everyone in charge when it was the school who put them in charge in the first place.

[peeker643]

...NCAA can't wait 3-15 years or so to hand down punishments. They need to be proactive with whatever penalties are handed down...

The next time the NCAA is 'proactive' and 'expedient' will be the first time. The Vatican is less reactionary.

Relative term. Point being they can't wait for all the civil cases to resolve before moving on the punishment, if there is any.

[bac5665]

And while I agree with you that such timing problems have not stopped the NCAA in the past, that doesn't mean I agree with it.

And there often are still some that are still there. OSU had key officials still there, not least of which was Gene Smith. I bet SMU and USC did too.

That said, Pete Carroll should be held accountable. Like with so many issues, the NCAA and the NFL need to team up and enforce penalties for each other. Pete Carroll should never have been allowed to be hired and Reggie Bush should have been fined by the NFL.

These guys are going to jail and they are going to lose every penny they own to civil trial. Stepping in and punishing the student athletes who joined Penn State 14 years after JoPa committed his special crime, well, that's just stupid and cruel, for no benefit.

[CP]

See, I disagree. Schools are always feeling the pressure to protect those at the top of the chain, particularly when those figures are nationally prominent and bring donors and money to the school just by their very presence. They only take action when forced to do so because the risk/reward slants too far in favor of covering it up for as long as possible.

Punishing the institution by taking away the money has the side effect of punishing student-athletes, but the institution still needs punished. Perhaps knowing that your programs will receive the death penalty if you allow this type of behavior to continue might prevent the next college president from looking the other way.

Just punishing the individuals insures that those in charge will just be smarter about throwing those beneath them under the bus. Protecting themselves and the institution is always their paramount concern. If, in the future, that means flipping on a prized asset like Joe Paterno (or Jerry Sandusky), then I would much rather have the potential tortfeasor on notice that he'll be turned in (and not protected) when he crosses the line.

[Govbarney]

And while I agree with you that such timing problems have not stopped the NCAA in the past, that doesn't mean I agree with it.

And there often are still some that are still there. OSU had key officials still there, not least of which was Gene Smith. I bet SMU and USC did too.

That said, Pete Carroll should be held accountable. Like with so many issues, the NCAA and the NFL need to team up and enforce penalties for each other. Pete Carroll should never have been allowed to be hired and Reggie Bush should have been fined by the NFL.

These guys are going to jail and they are going to lose every penny they own to civil trial. Stepping in and punishing the student athletes who joined Penn State 14 years after JoPa committed his special crime, well, that's just stupid and cruel, for no benefit.

The NFL suspended Pryor last year for a NCAA infraction. I think that was a message to NCAA athletes and Coaches, that what Pete Carroll did will no longer be acceptable and go without punishment.

[e0y2e3]

There is nothing gained from killing the program, besides making a tragedy even worse.

You tear down Joe Pa entirely.

You build a memorial outside of the stadium.

You put a new (real) compliance system in place.

You build a gawd damn memorial outside of the stadium.

And they vacate every Win since 1998.

Punishing an entire town and community for sins that didn't involve the football field is the wrong move.

This investigation didn't turn up a single thing about a single person with the school now.

I don't understand this "bad things happened, let's make them worse!!!!" reaction. Fuckin eh, this is a community that just found out it's hero and the man that built it sold his soul to satan. Pissing on their corpses isn't good for anything and anyone.

[e0y2e3]

And while I agree with you that such timing problems have not stopped the NCAA in the past, that doesn't mean I agree with it.

And there often are still some that are still there. OSU had key officials still there, not least of which was Gene Smith. I bet SMU and USC did too.

That said, Pete Carroll should be held accountable. Like with so many issues, the NCAA and the NFL need to team up and enforce penalties for each other. Pete Carroll should never have been allowed to be hired and Reggie Bush should have been fined by the NFL.

These guys are going to jail and they are going to lose every penny they own to civil trial. Stepping in and punishing the student athletes who joined Penn State 14 years after JoPa committed his special crime, well, that's just stupid and cruel, for no benefit.

The NFL suspended Pryor last year for a NCAA infraction. I think that was a message to NCAA athletes and Coaches, that what Pete Carroll did will no longer be acceptable and go without punishment.

And Tressel didn't get punished until a national uproar.
Goodell is a fucking joke that picks and chooses his punishments. He had an excuse he could use with Pryor, when he doesn't he needs people like JT to man up and offer themselves to his feet.

[e0y2e3]

...NCAA can't wait 3-15 years or so to hand down punishments. They need to be proactive with whatever penalties are handed down...

The next time the NCAA is 'proactive' and 'expedient' will be the first time. The Vatican is less reactionary.

To be fair, the work is done for them this time. This report is 99% of what they need.

[e0y2e3]

When SMU received the Death Penalty they allowed the players to transfer w/ out having to sit out a year, I would have to imagine that if it comes to that, they would give the same option to PSU players. I think the Death Penalty for the Football program might be in order, but I don't think the rest of the sports should have to suffer.

If I where Jim Delaney I would seriously consider exploring expelling PSU from the B1G.

Turning the other way went past Paterno and the football program for the financial benefit of Penn State as a whole. The entire athletic department received a benefit to their decision to cover this up. All of it should get the death penalty without exception.

Awesome, kill an American Institution becaues 5 men staged a cover-up. All the town is guilty of is revering the man and trust, that is dead.

Fucking eh.