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Re: NBA Draft thread

Unread postby StewieG » Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:04 pm

Calling my shot:

Fab Melo at 24
27 year old backup C at 32
Some foreign player who will never see the states at 33.

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Re: NBA Draft thread

Unread postby Orenthal » Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:10 pm

StewieG wrote:Any time you can take a guy who didn't start for his college team 4th overall, you have to do it. Fucking Grant is a moron.


Eh scatch that. Relied on ESPn...
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Re: NBA Draft thread

Unread postby StewieG » Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:11 pm

we're trading for Zeller
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Re: NBA Draft thread

Unread postby CAVSTRIBEBROWNSin07! » Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:11 pm

Tristan Thomspson, a defensive minded big man, averaged more points as a freshman than Waiters, a scorer, did as a sophomore.
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Re: NBA Draft thread

Unread postby CAVSTRIBEBROWNSin07! » Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:12 pm

Every time I look up the Rockets are on the board.
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Re: NBA Draft thread

Unread postby StewieG » Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:13 pm

traded the rest of our draft for Zeller
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Re: NBA Draft thread

Unread postby Gradysmanldy » Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:13 pm

motherscratcher wrote:
e0y2e3 wrote:and just like that, mother gets me to stop laughing.


I'm not going to give you any of my playoff tickets.


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Re: NBA Draft thread

Unread postby Madre Hill, Superstar » Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:13 pm

The rest of the draft just went for Tyler Zeller.
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Re: NBA Draft thread

Unread postby Orenthal » Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:14 pm

Doesn't seem like a bad move at least guys skill set isn't redundant.
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Re: NBA Draft thread

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:15 pm

Meh, not the worst trade
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Re: NBA Draft thread

Unread postby StewieG » Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:16 pm

I actually kind of like this one. I had my eye on Zeller. Doesn't make up for the Waiters pick though.
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Re: NBA Draft thread

Unread postby CAVSTRIBEBROWNSin07! » Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:17 pm

3 picks for Jeff Foster 2.0. Yummy.
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Re: NBA Draft thread

Unread postby Gradysmanldy » Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:17 pm

I approve of this one. Would have preferred a better scorer at 4, but that's a better big man than I expected.
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Re: NBA Draft thread

Unread postby rk » Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:21 pm

Mayby grant heard the calls for his head because that's a great pickup. Very happy with him. Still would be happier with barnes or TR and zeller.
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Re: NBA Draft thread

Unread postby JJN » Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:24 pm

Would rather have Quincy Miller at 24 than Zeller at 24, 33, and 34.

I recall someone saying "I see a little Dwayne Wade in Waiters." Cool, a whiner who is going to be hurt all the fuck time. Would have rather had Barnes.
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Re: NBA Draft thread

Unread postby Orenthal » Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:25 pm

CAVSTRIBEBROWNSin07! wrote:3 picks for Jeff Foster 2.0. Yummy.


80% FT!!!! Has a decent post game and hit 50% on jumpers on a limited sample size, but the FT% indicates he should have a decent touch. Can run the court and finish in transition. IMO great trade. Also had the best rebounds per 40 of the centers in DE's top 100. The alternative was feh...
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Re: NBA Draft thread

Unread postby StewieG » Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:26 pm

CAVSTRIBEBROWNSin07! wrote:3 picks for Jeff Foster 2.0. Yummy.


Nah. He won't knock your socks off, but he's solid. Runs the floor, decent defender, nice scoring touch around the basket, solid shooter. Kind of reminds me of Ilgauskas without the feet falling apart. At worst, he's a good backup C. I think he'll be a solid starter.
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Re: NBA Draft thread

Unread postby Bayou Tribe » Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:26 pm

I always liked Zeller, and wanted him at 10 if Rivers would have been off the board.

Won't be a hall of gamer, but should have a long, consistent career. Good post game, can score with either hand, best running big in the draft. Gonna be a long-time starter, which is probably more than you were gonna say about whoever you picked at 24.
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Re: NBA Draft thread

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:28 pm

He is pretty Meh, but finding the rare center that can shoot when you are buildimg around shitty TT was necessary.
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Re: NBA Draft thread

Unread postby StewieG » Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:36 pm

Zeller is pretty much the anti-TT
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Re: NBA Draft thread

Unread postby aclayman » Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:40 pm

Sometimes a 4-year 7-footer with a solid, proven offensive game > another "athletic freak" that shoots free throws like a drunk toddler
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Re: NBA Draft thread

Unread postby Prosecutor » Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:41 pm

From the cleveland.com draft metablog:

9:02 p.m.: Ken Carman on 92.3 The Fan delves into psychology in explaining fans' immediate response: "What people don't understand makes them angry."


I guess nobody got the Thompson pick last year, either.

And before Grant gets fired, let's remember he traded Mo Williams for Kyrie Irving. That buys him a little slack in my book.

Hey, what will make folks happy is if the Zeller deal goes through, TT will be a backup.
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Re: NBA Draft thread

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:42 pm

I'm happy with the Zeller move.
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Re: NBA Draft thread

Unread postby StewieG » Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:44 pm

Prosecutor wrote:From the cleveland.com draft metablog:

9:02 p.m.: Ken Carman on 92.3 The Fan delves into psychology in explaining fans' immediate response: "What people don't understand makes them angry."


I guess nobody got the Thompson pick last year, either.

And before Grant gets fired, let's remember he traded Mo Williams for Kyrie Irving. That buys him a little slack in my book.

Hey, what will make folks happy is if the Zeller deal goes through, TT will be a backup.


Grant traded Mo Williams for what should have been the #8 pick. He does get points for the pick being unprotected (though that's mostly due to the LAC GM being stupid). He does not get points for lucking into the 1st pick.
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Re: NBA Draft thread

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:56 pm

Grant traded Mo Williams for what should have been the #8 pick and for giving the Clippers flexibility to go get CP3.

CTB's right testicle could have pulled the trigger on that deal.

And yet, Andy is still a gawd damn Cav.
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Re: NBA Draft thread

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:59 pm

Zeller isn't a guy you build a franchise around, but he is a useful player and he is doubly useful for this team with TT's black-hole at the 4 and when factoring in the sever lack of offensively skilled centers in existence.
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Re: NBA Draft thread

Unread postby Prosecutor » Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:02 pm

So I take it the consensus is that Grant should have taken Barnes at #4, make the Zeller trade, and have either Manny Harris or Boobie starting at SG?
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Re: NBA Draft thread

Unread postby motherscratcher » Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:02 pm

JJN wrote:Would rather have Quincy Miller at 24 than Zeller at 24, 33, and 34.

I recall someone saying "I see a little Dwayne Wade in Waiters." Cool, a whiner who is going to be hurt all the fuck time. Would have rather had Barnes.


I know fuck-all about any of these guys other than what I read here.

But did you really just complain about our new guy getting comped to Dwayne Fucking Wade?! Jesus Christ on a Pogo Stick, you would be disappointed with Dwayne Wade production out of this guy?

Maybe you should lower your expectations a little, dude.
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Re: NBA Draft thread

Unread postby CAVSTRIBEBROWNSin07! » Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:04 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:Foster isn't a guy you build a franchise around, but he is a useful player

FTFY.
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Re: NBA Draft thread

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:07 pm

The consensus is that two years in a row our GM has done his due-diligence and worked out the top 8 prospects. Sat for a week, freaked out and called people in for last minute workouts the day before the draft (TT/Ross/Waiters). Fell in love with one of those last second workouts and reached for them. Said no to this years workout and instead took the guy they didn't even workout.

The consensus is he reached on TT and is married to him now so he passed on T-Rob stupidly. I won't fault him for not liking Barnes, they got a good look at him and have been obsessively watching him for two years, but he still would have been a better pick than a guy who has done NOTHING SINCE MARCH TO RAISE HIS STOCK OUTSIDE OF NOT WORKING OUT FOR A SINGLE NBA TEAM AND GETTING A GUARANTEE AT #19 OF THIS DRAFT.

Although the real kicker is that according to everyone they went into the final draft evaluation process in-love with Barnes and dumped him due to nothing more than a workout TO DRAFT SOMEONE THEY NEVER WORKED OUT OR SPOKE WITH.

Go eat a fucking glock you gawd damn troll.
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Re: NBA Draft thread

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:08 pm

motherscratcher wrote:
JJN wrote:Would rather have Quincy Miller at 24 than Zeller at 24, 33, and 34.

I recall someone saying "I see a little Dwayne Wade in Waiters." Cool, a whiner who is going to be hurt all the fuck time. Would have rather had Barnes.


I know fuck-all about any of these guys other than what I read here.

But did you really just complain about our new guy getting comped to Dwayne Fucking Wade?! Jesus Christ on a Pogo Stick, you would be disappointed with Dwayne Wade production out of this guy?

Maybe you should lower your expectations a little, dude.


I believe he was pointing out that all Waiters could have in common with Wade is those two things, because he isn't fucking Wade.
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Re: NBA Draft thread

Unread postby bookelly » Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:12 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:The consensus is that two years in a row our GM has done his due-diligence and worked out the top 8 prospects. Sat for a week, freaked out and called people in for last minute workouts the day before the draft (TT/Ross/Waiters). Fell in love with one of those last second workouts and reached for them. Said no to this years workout and instead took the guy they didn't even workout.

The consensus is he reached on TT and is married to him now so he passed on T-Rob stupidly. I won't fault him for not liking Barnes, they got a good look at him and have been obsessively watching him for two years, but he still would have been a better pick than a guy who has done NOTHING SINCE MARCH TO RAISE HIS STOCK OUTSIDE OF NOT WORKING OUT FOR A SINGLE NBA TEAM AND GETTING A GUARANTEE AT #19 OF THIS DRAFT.

Although the real kicker is that according to everyone they went into the final draft evaluation process in-love with Barnes and dumped him due to nothing more than a workout TO DRAFT SOMEONE THEY NEVER WORKED OUT OR SPOKE WITH.

Go eat a fucking glock you gawd damn troll.


I think people would take your opinions more seriously if YOU weren't the troll.

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Re: NBA Draft thread

Unread postby motherscratcher » Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:12 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:
motherscratcher wrote:
JJN wrote:Would rather have Quincy Miller at 24 than Zeller at 24, 33, and 34.

I recall someone saying "I see a little Dwayne Wade in Waiters." Cool, a whiner who is going to be hurt all the fuck time. Would have rather had Barnes.


I know fuck-all about any of these guys other than what I read here.

But did you really just complain about our new guy getting comped to Dwayne Fucking Wade?! Jesus Christ on a Pogo Stick, you would be disappointed with Dwayne Wade production out of this guy?

Maybe you should lower your expectations a little, dude.


I believe he was pointing out that all Waiters could have in common with Wade is those two things, because he isn't fucking Wade.


But those are the bad things.
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Re: NBA Draft thread

Unread postby Gradysmanldy » Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:12 pm

Well, he looks a hell of a lot bulkier than Wade, but still seemed quick off the dribble. Hate the pick, but still prefer it to Barnes. I think Waiters can be a solid 6th man, and I think Barnes is going to be blah covered in feh.
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Re: NBA Draft thread

Unread postby Xukuth » Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:12 pm

So let me get this straight. We trade 24,33&34 to Dallas. Dallas TAKES Zeller, we make picks at 24,33,34 and then swap?
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Re: NBA Draft thread

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:13 pm

Fuck yourself, Pros shows up once every three months to either post TT's stats or talk about TT. Next time the fuckstick posts an opinion outside of trolling or watches a basketball game will be the first.

Don't tell me WTF I am talking about when you don't have the first fucking clue what you are reading fuckstick.
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Re: NBA Draft thread

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:15 pm

BTW: PJIII to OKC is effin insane. Even if he never works out, to get that much upside on that team and at that pick, christ.
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Re: NBA Draft thread

Unread postby motherscratcher » Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:15 pm

bookelly wrote:
I think people would take your opinions more seriously if YOU weren't the troll.

/Just saying.


I love ya Boo, but I value very few opinions more than e0ys when it comes to hoop. And fuck you for making me say that about such an awful human being as that arrogant asshat in Boston.
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Re: NBA Draft thread

Unread postby motherscratcher » Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:16 pm

Wasnt' Perry Jones a top 5 pick last year?

Good call Perry.
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Re: NBA Draft thread

Unread postby bookelly » Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:16 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:Fuck yourself, Pros shows up once every three months to either post TT's stats or talk about TT. Next time the fuckstick posts an opinion outside of trolling or watches a basketball game will be the first.

Don't tell me WTF I am talking about when you don't have the first fucking clue what you are reading fuckstick.


Was that directed at me or just everyone? 'Cause being specific in your meltdown earns points.
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Re: NBA Draft thread

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:17 pm

Naw, just you. However, if you would like to continue posting about piece's of shit that you know nothing about and further derailing this thread I'll keep replying. I can do this all night.
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Re: NBA Draft thread

Unread postby bookelly » Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:17 pm

motherscratcher wrote:
bookelly wrote:
I think people would take your opinions more seriously if YOU weren't the troll.

/Just saying.


I love ya Boo, but I value very few opinions more than e0ys when it comes to hoop. And fuck you for making me say that about such an awful human being as that arrogant asshat in Boston.


I enjoy his opinions too and agree. But there's nothing quite like a masshole meltdown...so I'll still the pot.

/heheheehehe :cheers:
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Re: NBA Draft thread

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:18 pm

Quincy Miller at one of those second rounders would have been kinda nice.
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Re: NBA Draft thread

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:19 pm

bookelly wrote:I enjoy his opinions too and agree. But there's nothing quite like a masshole meltdown...so I'll still the pot.

/heheheehehe :cheers:


There is no melt-down, pointing out Pros trotting in here waiving his standard bullshit troll flag is something I will do every single time he does it from now to eternity. He's been playing his game for ten years and is still doing it. Again, don't interject your dumbass into shit you know nothing about.
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Re: NBA Draft thread

Unread postby bookelly » Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:20 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:Naw, just you. However, if you would like to continue posting about piece's of shit that you know nothing about and further derailing this thread I'll keep replying. I can do this all night.


Truth is none of us know what became of this night till at least two years down the road. Could be we just had the greatest draft ever or the worst. WE JUST DONT KNOW.

So stop getting all worked up about it. :thud:
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Re: NBA Draft thread

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:21 pm

I could give two shits about the draft, again, stay out of fucking situations you don't understand.

As long as Dan Gilbert owns the Cavs they exist for me to laugh at and they prove it time and time again.

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Re: NBA Draft thread

Unread postby StewieG » Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:21 pm

Wow, Perry Jones could not have chosen a better situation.
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Re: NBA Draft thread

Unread postby rk » Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:23 pm

Xukuth wrote:So let me get this straight. We trade 24,33&34 to Dallas. Dallas TAKES Zeller, we make picks at 24,33,34 and then swap?


The NBA draft ruled were not made when drafts were prime time event s. Hence dumb trade rules.
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Re: NBA Draft thread

Unread postby Prosecutor » Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:23 pm

The Cavs worked out Barnes and didn't take him. They didn't work out Waiters but took him anyway. Wonder how that Barnes workout went. Wasn't there a report that Beal kicked his ass?

When are we going to get confirmation on that Zeller deal? Not that it matters - no way the Cavs draft Cunningham if they didn't have the deal for Zeller in place.

Acquiring Zeller allows them to move Andy back to his natural PF position. If the starting lineup is Kyrie, Waiters, Gee, Andy and Z2, at least they'll be able to get up and down the floor. We might start seeing more elements of the rumored Princeton offense with mobility at all five positions.
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Re: NBA Draft thread

Unread postby bookelly » Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:24 pm

My two cents - they plan on losing big this year again, getting another high pick (or two...depending on how they sort it out) and filling the holes at #3 and #2.

They seem to have the rotation of 3 bigs, a 6th man, and a legit #1 star. Still need more HQ pieces.

So another tank year is in order.
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