Cavs pick #4

[jb]

He signed off on this guy, stop fucking ignoring WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED AND WAS REPORTED BY LITERALLY EVERY NBA REPORTER OUT THERE

And what I'm saying is that I don't think it matters to Howard. This guy, that guy, whoever. Good for O-town, hire wunderkid. Doesn't matter to Dewey. In his mind Howard is about getting hiis back right and getting out of Dodge to a contender with other players around him and a big, fat max deal after a faux S&T.

And van Gundy getting crushed by Howard? Why does a dog lick himself? There's your answer.

I can not ascribe a single rational motive to staying in O-town for Howard right now, thus all of the FO persoonel details you lay out per the blogosphere are non sequitors to me.

[e0y2e3]

No, you're a fucking idiot that didn't follow this stupidity.

This isn't blogosphere anything, BTW, it is pure reporting from the Woj's, Berger's, etc.

Dewey is a cocksucker piece of shit that changed his mind literally every third day last year between demanding a trade and staying with Orlando. His final shift occured just before the trade deadline when he agreed to SIGN HIS OPTION THIS YEAR TO STAY contingent on them firing SVG and Smith and him getting approval on the new hires. And his back was fine when he agreed to SIGN FOR ANOTHER YEAR.

This is fucking widely reported by EVERYONE. Dewey is a piece of shit that may very well end up traded, but you can't pretend to know WTF he is going to do when HE CHANGED HIS OWN DAMN MIND AND MADE A FOOL OF HIMSELF DOING IT EVERY OTHER MONTH FOR THE LAST FUCKING YEAR.

Stop talking about shit you didn't follow, it makes you more troll than interesting.

[jb]

No, you're a fucking idiot that didn't follow this stupidity.

Peace out thread killa. You are incapable of communicating as a man communicates on all too frequent occasions.

[FUDU]

So it sounds like all that's left for the big guy to do is carry his team to the post season, then quit, to avoid any further internal conflicts on what to do.

:bigsmile

[e0y2e3]

No, you're a fucking idiot that didn't follow this stupidity.

Peace out thread killa. You are incapable of communicating as a man communicates on all too frequent occasions.

Awww, sorry JB. I guess I shouldn't have expected you to actually know what the fuck you are talking about when it is public record available with about four keystrokes.

If you want to make shit up be my guest.

If you want to try and read the tea leaves on a guy who is a mental midget and is going to change his mind re: what he is doing 200x again this year be my guest.

But DON'T fucking roll in here and point to "THEY HIRED THIS GUY, LOOK IT PROVES SOMETHING!!!!" when, literally, Dewey getting final approval of hires was one of the two or three most reported on NBA stories of the last year. Right up there with the word that his back was actually fine and he just refused to play for SVG anymore.

Ignoring facts is below you. Tea leave read all the fuck you want, but don't completely distort reality.

[Ziner]

I will take ignoring facts over LeBron trolling

[Ziner]

btw my avatar makes me laugh every time, really cant get enough of it. Even when they win they fail.

[e0y2e3]

David Roth compared Bosh to Little Foot from the Land Before Time last night.

It's really the perfect comp.

[FUDU]

Moral of the story today: Dumb big guy's back :: whore's elbow.

BTW Ziner what do you have against Yam fries?

[Ziner]

Moral of the story today: Dumb big guy's back :: whore's elbow.

BTW Ziner what do you have against Yam fries?

I dont remember, they are pretty tasty, it was most likely a pissing match with CDT.

I really like sweet potato tater tots that this local BBQ spot has, makes me want to pour champagne on Chris Bosh's face.

[jb]

No, you're a fucking idiot that didn't follow this stupidity.

Peace out thread killa. You are incapable of communicating as a man communicates on all too frequent occasions.

Awww, sorry JB. I guess I shouldn't have expected you to actually know what the fuck you are talking about when it is public record available with about four keystrokes.

If you want to make shit up be my guest.

If you want to try and read the tea leaves on a guy who is a mental midget and is going to change his mind re: what he is doing 200x again this year be my guest.

But DON'T fucking roll in here and point to "THEY HIRED THIS GUY, LOOK IT PROVES SOMETHING!!!!" when, literally, Dewey getting final approval of hires was one of the two or three most reported on NBA stories of the last year. Right up there with the word that his back was actually fine and he just refused to play for SVG anymore.

Ignoring facts is below you. Tea leave read all the fuck you want, but don't completely distort reality.

OK, now you're back.

I knew damn well about the extension and what Howard did last year. I think he did that for PR reasons so when he did leave he can point to that and he neds time for his back to get right to sign for mega hellijack. The heat was on over his callous SVG actions and he blinked not wanting to have to go through what LeBron went through post Decision. Being a pussy is not the same as not having your mind made up.

[e0y2e3]

Nothing Howard did was for PR reasons, or he wouldn't have blatently torpedo'd his coach, refused to play, etc.

Not to mention that he actually looked like a bigger dick for pretending to demand a trade for six months and then changing his mind at the last second. Had Howard just done what CP3 did, BTW, he would have gotten no Heat. Smith ran the Magic into the ground and Howard had a worse roster around him than LBJ in Cleveland. No one would have thought twice about him demanding out, shutting up and getting traded. Howard made himself an asshole by doing everything else he did (including demanding final approval of hires).

How many times these playoffs did you hear people call out CP3? Zero? Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeah.

[Larvell Blanks]

btw my avatar makes me laugh every time, really cant get enough of it. Even when they win they fail.

I think it's great that Bosh had to pour the champagne on himself b/c teammates were too focused on LBJ.

[jb]

Nothing Howard did was for PR reasons, or he wouldn't have blatently torpedo'd his coach, refused to play, etc.

Not to mention that he actually looked like a bigger dick for pretending to demand a trade for six months and then changing his mind at the last second. Had Howard just done what CP3 did, BTW, he would have gotten no Heat. Smith ran the Magic into the ground and Howard had a worse roster around him than LBJ in Cleveland. No one would have thought twice about him demanding out, shutting up and getting traded. Howard made himself an asshole by doing everything else he did (including demanding final approval of hires).

How many times these playoffs did you hear people call out CP3? Zero? Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeah.

Backing down in public in the spotlight was certainly for PR reasons. He knows he killing himself in the FA market if he's a coach killer and has a bad back.

I dont look at Howard as a calculating individual with completely consistent actions. I see him as basically Aldus Snow in sneakers.

[e0y2e3]

Dude, he didn't back down for PR anything. He demanded which teams he would accept a trade too and no one offered anything better than Brook Lopez/Pau Gasol for him so he realized that his best bet was staying. And then when he stayed he further torpedoed his public image by sandbagging his coach, firing his GM and sitting out games for no reason.

Now he's up there with Melo as the biggest asshole in the NBA.

[OldDawg]

Dudes, why don't you start a Dewey thread and leave this to the Cavs pick #4?

[e0y2e3]

FWIW: coming into a thread 24 hours after a ten post derailment that is clearly over and saying it should be in another thread only further contributes to the thread in question being pushed further and further from its original subject matter.

Just sayin'

[StewieG]

draftexpress.com has some excellent medium-length videos (around 6-8 minutes) showcasing the strengths and weaknesses of most of their projected 1st round picks. If you really want to get a good idea of what the top prospects can and can't do, and whether they might be able to improve, that's your place to go.

FWIW, my order of preference is Davis (who we obviously won't get), Beal, MKG, Robinson, Barnes. Davis is in a class by himself.

I like Beal over MKG because of his versatility. I think in 3-4 years he'll be one of the league's best shooters, and I think he can develop into at least an average defender. I don't think he'll ever be a great defender though.

MKG will be an elite defender, but he just doesn't have an offensive game. His mechanics are an absolute mess. But he can defend anyone on the court, save for the larger post players. I think he settles into a hybrid 3/4...but in a good way (like Gerald Wallace) and not in a tweener/guy-without-a-position way (like Derrick Williams).

I rank Robinson ahead of Barnes because I like Robinson's ceiling better than Barnes. Tristan Thompson doesn't stop me from drafting Robinson. I have yet to see anything from TT that indicates he's an athletic freak with no discernible basketball skills.

I don't consider Drummond with the #4 pick.

[davemanddd]

I don't consider Drummond with the #4 pick.

which is exactly why i fear the cavs will indeed draft drummond. just like when they drafted thompson at # 4 when most people didn't even have him going in the lottery, the cavs "braintrust" think they are the smartest ones in the room and will draft more on potential than actual skill and talent. screw potential. chris washburn had potential when he came out north carolina state in 1986 and look what happened with him -

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multim ... nt.19.html

sorry, but i don't consider drummond anywhere but in the 2nd round, let alone at the # 4 pick. otherwise, he might just give washburn a run for the money as the 2nd worst nba draft bust in history.

[jerryroche]

I don't consider Drummond with the #4 pick.

sorry, but i don't consider drummond anywhere but in the 2nd round, let alone at the # 4 pick. otherwise, he might just give washburn a run for the money as the 2nd worst nba draft bust in history.

Cavs got reamed at No.4 last year when there didn't appear to be much left in the way of big men. Hopefully, they will learn from 2011 and not do Drummond, as there appears to be a bit more talent to choose from this time around. No.4 should never, ever be a developmental-type player. No.24 yes, but never No.4.

If Davis, Robertson or Beal is not available, I'd be more inclined to take Lamb (rather than Kidd-Gilchrist or Barnes) and quickly get him on a weight program. The kid from Connecticut is long and can flat-out shoot.

[OldDawg]

FWIW, my order of preference is Davis (who we obviously won't get), Beal, MKG, Robinson, Barnes. Davis is in a class by himself.

I rank Robinson ahead of Barnes because I like Robinson's ceiling better than Barnes. Tristan Thompson doesn't stop me from drafting Robinson. I have yet to see anything from TT that indicates he's an athletic freak with no discernible basketball skills.

I don't consider Drummond with the #4 pick.

You bring up a good point...
If Beal and MKG are both gone, who do you go with...
Barnes or Robinson?

I think the Cavs will take Barnes. Firstly, there's a lot of buzz that they like him. Secondly, I don't think they'll want to admit the mistake of TT.

[StewieG]

I agree, I think the Cavs take Barnes in that scenario. I also think they'll look at Drummond there, no matter how much I might disagree with it. Regardless, the key to our draft is what happens with Charlotte at #2. In the end, I do think they go with Robinson, Beal goes 3, and we take MKG.

[OldDawg]

I agree, I think the Cavs take Barnes in that scenario. I also think they'll look at Drummond there, no matter how much I might disagree with it. Regardless, the key to our draft is what happens with Charlotte at #2. In the end, I do think they go with Robinson, Beal goes 3, and we take MKG.

Its funny. We all woulda peed our pants a few weeks ago if we thought MKG would fall to us. Now we are all in Beal-love. Even though eye always loved MKG, he seemed to lead the charge in here about Beal. Bottom line, I think we have a chance to get a starter and a potentially solid rotation player in the first round.

[Orenthal]

They are gonna pick Drummond. They wanna create the most impotent offensive big combo in the league.

[e0y2e3]

And they want you to watch every game with a giant woody.

[OldDawg]

They are gonna pick Drummond. They wanna create the most impotent offensive big combo in the league.

IIRC, TT was selected because of his workout with the Cavs. It certainly wasn't because of anything else, because everyone else had him rated out of the top 10.

My hope is that if Drummond is as lazy as everyone says, there's no way he can put together a good workout. However, if he is as freakishly athletic for a big as everyone says, he could put a good show on for the money for that brief time.

Now is not the time to take a gamble. Four years ago, you could take a risky "up-side" gamble. We are way too thin now to miss.

[e0y2e3]

Drummond is crushing workouts. Yi style.

[rebelwithoutaclue]

It's being reported by multiple people (Chad Ford) that the Cavs are looking to trade up to #2 to take Bradley Beal. Also being reported that if they don't trade up, and MKG is sitting there at 4, they'll still take Barnes.


Ford's Mock is Insider:

The most likely scenario has the Bobcats swapping the No. 2 pick with Cleveland for the No. 4 pick and either pick No. 24 or picks 33 and 34. Obviously, the Bobcats would prefer the 24th pick, but the Cavs would prefer to hold on to it. Although the Cavs aren't the only team in play for the pick, they have the most realistic scenario right now and likely would take Bradley Beal at No. 2. If the Bobcats end up keeping the pick, it sounds as though Robinson has a slight edge here.

SI:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/sam_amick/06/25/nba-draft-key-questions-picks-trades/index.html?eref=sihp&sct=hp_t11_a0

[pup]

So if the Bobcats are taking Robinson...why are we trading up?

Telling Beal > MKG + Sullinger ( )

[e0y2e3]

And all you fools who were spitting Perry Jones at 4 crap can also now finally acknowledge he isn't going in the lottery.

I get the Beal fascination, this team has painted themselves into a TERRIBLE corner with the lack of scorers on the roster, getting the highest ceiling scorer in the draft isn't a bad idea.

[rebelwithoutaclue]

So if the Bobcats are taking Robinson...why are we trading up?

Telling Beal > MKG + Sullinger ( )

At this point, it doesn't look like the Bobcats will be taking anyone at #2. If they are forced to stay at #2, they might settle for Robinson, but they are shopping the pick. Hard.


And I think the gap betwixt Barnes and Beal is wide enough that if I were the Cavs, I'd make sure I got Beal. If they can get a deal done for both 2nd rounders, they've lost next to nothing, value-wise. I'd be fine even if they had to give up their other #1.

[Orenthal]

And they want you to watch every game with a giant woody.

I accept the fact I am a complete homer and will be happy with anything. It is a more blissful existence. I save my angst for thiings that really matter, like politics.

btw I have no problem with them painting themselves in a corner or trading up for Beal. After Davis his skillset seems most destined for star status. Also now is the time to gamble. Kyrie is coming off his rookie season and if you gamble and blow it you are looking at another very high lotto pick. Year two is a no lose, its unlikely we make a James-like leap (and the org "seems" patient), and you are not gonna hit on every pick. If there is a year to swing and miss on potential its this year. But fuck Drummond, Andy, and TT is such a combo of nothing on offense that I may take back my entire premise.

[e0y2e3]

Things you don't want former teammates saying about you:

RT @blazersedge: UConn G Jeremy Lamb on UConn C Andre Drummond's NBA potential: "It depends on if he wants to work."

[StewieG]

Things you don't want former teammates saying about you:

RT @blazersedge: UConn G Jeremy Lamb on UConn C Andre Drummond's NBA potential: "It depends on if he wants to work."

That quote doesn't surprise me in the least. And I have no problems believing that.

[OldDawg]

If the Bobcats like Robinson, and they swap their 2nd pick for the Cavs 4th, they would likely still be able to get Robinson at 4. Good move on their part. The Cavs, though, have some leverage in that Robinson won't be as assuredly available after 4. That means there aren't a ton of trade partners that give them that level of peace of mind in what they can get with the pick. Hopefully that leverage translates into us not having to give up 24 for the trade.

Wait, isn't this a little deja vu with the browns' draft?

[ramllov]

Cleveland will sit at four and take the best player they like. If Robinson goes second, they have more players available.

I doubt that they would trade back with another team for another high pick.

I could see them trade down from 24 if the right player falls far enough.

[e0y2e3]

If the sun rises, the sun is up. However, if daylight savings time is going on the sun will rise at a different time.

I doubt the sun would stop rising if the moon asked it to.

I could see the sun setting in the west tonight though.

[pup]

[rk]

Wait, isn't this a little deja vu with the browns' draft?

A little. In this case though the Cavs are playing the role of a team trying to jump the team that is obviously targetting someone. In the NFL it was the Browns concern over being jumped by TB that caused them to move up. And while Minny had expressed contentment with losing out on the guy they wanted at 3 by moving down a few spots they were obviously in love with him and would not have really moved down farther that a spot that would guarantee them the guy they wanted.

The Wizards are the team that trapped themselves in the corner a bit with their trade and the Bobcats might be perfectly willing to drop one spot for the Wizards 2nd round pick rather than drop two spots for anything other than the Cavs other first. Cavs are hopefully offering at least the 2 second rounders (assuming they want Beal) but Charlotte may not want to risk losing out on whoever they want by dropping a couple spots.

[jb]

[Gradysmanldy]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/seth_davis/06/25/NBA-draft/1.html

Interesting read, here.

[e0y2e3]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/seth_davis/06/25/NBA-draft/1.html

Interesting read, here.

Sweet mother of ridiculous cliches and stupid hyperbole.....

Holy hell that is a terrible pile of shit.

[rebelwithoutaclue]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/seth_davis/06/25/NBA-draft/1.html

Interesting read, here.

Sweet mother of ridiculous cliches and stupid hyperbole.....

Holy hell that is a terrible pile of shit.

Seriously, couldn't even read the whole thing. Nothing in there that hasn't been said ad nauseum. And it's all best case scenarios.

[Gradysmanldy]

Ehh, I liked that he just gave an analysis of post-tournament thoughts on players and workouts, without trying to fantasize about which team is taking which player.

like 90% of the non DX draft hype is trying to project a player onto a team based on whispers of who they like.....i'd rather just get the ad nauseum regurgitation about what guys can do.

[jb]

Eye (and others) - Hit me with reaction.

I'm really intrigued by some of the talent slated to go about 8 - 12 slots above our 2nd 1st round pick.

Would we have a realistic chance of sending the remaining 3 picks to move up for a Ty Zoeller or a Moe Harkness or even maybe a T Ross?


Just looks so much better at what is projected if we wait and watch it fall.

[e0y2e3]

Ehh, I liked that he just gave an analysis of post-tournament thoughts on players and workouts, without trying to fantasize about which team is taking which player.

like 90% of the non DX draft hype is trying to project a player onto a team based on whispers of who they like.....i'd rather just get the ad nauseum regurgitation about what guys can do.

Statements like Lillard being the least selfish PG ever, etc, are beyond ridiculous.

Seriously, he just spit out as much hyperbole and cliche as he could. It's horrendous.

[e0y2e3]

Eye (and others) - Hit me with reaction.

I'm really intrigued by some of the talent slated to go about 8 - 12 slots above our 2nd 1st round pick.

Would we have a realistic chance of sending the remaining 3 picks to move up for a Ty Zoeller or a Moe Harkness or even maybe a T Ross?


Just looks so much better at what is projected if we wait and watch it fall.

I doubt it, but doesn't hurt to try. Getting ahold of one of those center prospects would be freaking great (or Ross, but with Beal they don't really need him, with MKG they do). That said, not sure why any of those teams would want to move back for second rounders unless they attached a really shitty contract to the deal.

[jb]

Eye (and others) - Hit me with reaction.

I'm really intrigued by some of the talent slated to go about 8 - 12 slots above our 2nd 1st round pick.

Would we have a realistic chance of sending the remaining 3 picks to move up for a Ty Zoeller or a Moe Harkness or even maybe a T Ross?


Just looks so much better at what is projected if we wait and watch it fall.

I doubt it, but doesn't hurt to try. Getting ahold of one of those center prospects would be freaking great (or Ross, but with Beal they don't really need him, with MKG they do). That said, not sure why any of those teams would want to move back for second rounders unless they attached a really shitty contract to the deal.

Which we'd be in position to absorb as we'll never sign a decent FA, right?

[e0y2e3]

Dolan is too cheap for that.

[jb]

Dolan is too cheap for that.

Heh.

But Gilbert isn't and plus he's got to be in a tizz with LBJ making his "guarantee" looking dumber and dumber.

In fact, do you see a big "blow it all on the worng guys" push coming from TMLP like when DF screwed the pooch?