Text Size

Cleveland Browns & The NFL

Harvin; would love for the Browns to surprise me

Talk Browns football and discuss the NFL here.

Moderators: peeker643, jb, swerb, pup

Harvin; would love for the Browns to surprise me

Unread postby jb » Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:12 am

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ap-source-harvin-requests-trade-131143366--nfl.html

IMhO he's precisely the profile of player who is the final missing ingredient to a potentially King-Hell offense. WR, house-you-speed, versitile for matchups, great vertical fit for Weeden's arm.

I'd offer a 2013 # 2 and # 4 OR consider a 2014 1st if he agrees to a long-term deal.
jb
 
Posts: 17730
Joined: Thu Feb 02, 2006 7:08 pm
Location: Defend Youngstown
Favorite Player: Daddy Rich / Carwa$h
Least Favorite Player: Hines Ward

Re: Harvin; would love for the Browns to surprise me

Unread postby Hikohadon » Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:24 am

Isn't that pretty much why they drafted Benjamin?

I like Harvin - I'd take him in a second. But I wouldn't give up anything near what you propose. He's a malcontent (obviously) that has injury and headache problems. Plus, didn't he and Childress have issues? I can't imagine that he'd be happy about being traded to another bad team with his ex-coach whom he disliked.

The asking price is probably too high.
It's only progress if you eventually get somewhere.
User avatar
Hikohadon
 
Posts: 4197
Joined: Wed Apr 07, 2010 9:33 am
Favorite Player: Scotch
Least Favorite Player: Gin

Re: Harvin; would love for the Browns to surprise me

Unread postby jb » Wed Jun 20, 2012 1:09 pm

Hikohadon wrote:Isn't that pretty much why they drafted Benjamin?



Harvin : Benjamin :: Metcalf : Olaphant
jb
 
Posts: 17730
Joined: Thu Feb 02, 2006 7:08 pm
Location: Defend Youngstown
Favorite Player: Daddy Rich / Carwa$h
Least Favorite Player: Hines Ward

Re: Harvin; would love for the Browns to surprise me

Unread postby peeker643 » Wed Jun 20, 2012 1:13 pm

jb wrote:
Hikohadon wrote:Isn't that pretty much why they drafted Benjamin?



Harvin : Benjamin :: Metcalf : Olaphant


^^^

:thumb up:

No offense to Hiko, but I think these kinds of comps/questions are why some think he's suffered from a few concussions of his own. :hide:

Only thing that concerns me with Harvin (who has been elite at every level since Pop Warner and lived up to it at the next level- unlike Benjamin, which is the point) is the migraines and the health and just how often he's out there being that weapon.
"Great minds think alike. The opposite is also true."

"None of us is as dumb as all of us."


I'm on Twitter at http://twitter.com/peeker643
User avatar
peeker643
Duly Noted
 
Posts: 22512
Joined: Tue Jun 26, 2007 1:33 pm
Favorite Player: Smokey Rowe
Least Favorite Player: Dingle Stetson

Re: Harvin; would love for the Browns to surprise me

Unread postby pod2dawg » Wed Jun 20, 2012 1:52 pm

Don't worry Percy ain't coming here anytime soon.
User avatar
pod2dawg
Warrior Poet aka Thread Killer
 
Posts: 1310
Joined: Wed Apr 18, 2007 8:34 pm
Favorite Player: Phil Gordon
Least Favorite Player: Lane Kiffin

Re: Harvin; would love for the Browns to surprise me

Unread postby rebelwithoutaclue » Wed Jun 20, 2012 2:43 pm

Without Harvin, the Vikings receiving corps would be worse than the Browns. Still has 2 years left on his contract. He ain't going anywhere.
Fuck the Browns...
User avatar
rebelwithoutaclue
 
Posts: 3639
Joined: Wed May 28, 2008 11:43 am
Location: Under them Skies of Blue
Favorite Player: Kyrie Irving
Least Favorite Player: Mike Lombardi

Re: Harvin; would love for the Browns to surprise me

Unread postby Hikohadon » Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:45 pm

peeker643 wrote:
jb wrote:
Hikohadon wrote:Isn't that pretty much why they drafted Benjamin?



Harvin : Benjamin :: Metcalf : Olaphant


^^^

:thumb up:

No offense to Hiko, but I think these kinds of comps/questions are why some think he's suffered from a few concussions of his own. :hide:


You people need to lay off the retard sandwiches. I wasn't comparing Benjamin to Harvin. Not at all. Just that they drafted him to fill that role. Harvin would obviously be a better option, but I think the FO will go with the cheaper, younger, less good version now that they spent a draft pick on him.
It's only progress if you eventually get somewhere.
User avatar
Hikohadon
 
Posts: 4197
Joined: Wed Apr 07, 2010 9:33 am
Favorite Player: Scotch
Least Favorite Player: Gin

Re: Harvin; would love for the Browns to surprise me

Unread postby skatingtripods » Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:48 pm

Hikohadon wrote:You people need to lay off the retard sandwiches.


What comes on a retard sandwich?
A God Damn dead man would understand that if a minor league bus in any city took a real sharp right turn, a Zack McCalister would likely fall out. - Lead Pipe
User avatar
skatingtripods
Sloth Duncan
 
Posts: 14346
Joined: Tue May 01, 2007 12:27 pm
Location: Cleveland
Favorite Player: Mike Aviles
Least Favorite Player: Every Detroit Tiger

Re: Harvin; would love for the Browns to surprise me

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Wed Jun 20, 2012 5:04 pm

skatingtripods wrote:
Hikohadon wrote:You people need to lay off the retard sandwiches.


What comes on a retard sandwich?


A heavy serving of Prosecutor with a little motherscratcher on the side.
“Irony is wasted on the stupid” - Oscar Wilde
User avatar
e0y2e3
Et Tu, Brute?
 
Posts: 13982
Joined: Mon Mar 12, 2007 5:41 pm
Favorite Player: Prosecutor
Least Favorite Player: motherscratcher

Re: Harvin; would love for the Browns to surprise me

Unread postby Hikohadon » Wed Jun 20, 2012 5:34 pm

skatingtripods wrote:
Hikohadon wrote:You people need to lay off the retard sandwiches.


What comes on a retard sandwich?


Peanut butter and tuna on rice cake.
It's only progress if you eventually get somewhere.
User avatar
Hikohadon
 
Posts: 4197
Joined: Wed Apr 07, 2010 9:33 am
Favorite Player: Scotch
Least Favorite Player: Gin

Re: Harvin; would love for the Browns to surprise me

Unread postby jb » Thu Jun 21, 2012 7:51 am

Hikohadon wrote:
peeker643 wrote:
jb wrote:
Hikohadon wrote:Isn't that pretty much why they drafted Benjamin?



Harvin : Benjamin :: Metcalf : Olaphant


^^^

:thumb up:

No offense to Hiko, but I think these kinds of comps/questions are why some think he's suffered from a few concussions of his own. :hide:


You people need to lay off the retard sandwiches. I wasn't comparing Benjamin to Harvin. Not at all.



Then why did you waste 27 seconds of my life, Corky?

;-) ;) :wink:
jb
 
Posts: 17730
Joined: Thu Feb 02, 2006 7:08 pm
Location: Defend Youngstown
Favorite Player: Daddy Rich / Carwa$h
Least Favorite Player: Hines Ward

Re: Harvin; would love for the Browns to surprise me

Unread postby jb » Thu Jun 21, 2012 7:54 am

rebelwithoutaclue wrote:Without Harvin, the Vikings receiving corps would be worse than the Browns. Still has 2 years left on his contract. He ain't going anywhere.



I agree, but there's always a shot that a pissed GM dumps a malcontent, and the Browns should offer anything after round 1. Part of me just wishes I knew they would.

The list of players that fit the bill of what the O needs to complete the puzzle just right before Harvin is pretty damn short for me.
jb
 
Posts: 17730
Joined: Thu Feb 02, 2006 7:08 pm
Location: Defend Youngstown
Favorite Player: Daddy Rich / Carwa$h
Least Favorite Player: Hines Ward

Re: Harvin; would love for the Browns to surprise me

Unread postby rk » Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:28 am

jb wrote:http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ap-source-harvin-requests-trade-131143366--nfl.html

IMhO he's precisely the profile of player who is the final missing ingredient to a potentially King-Hell offense. WR, house-you-speed, versitile for matchups, great vertical fit for Weeden's arm.

I'd offer a 2013 # 2 and # 4 OR consider a 2014 1st if he agrees to a long-term deal.


Putting aside the rumor of him going after Chilly the way Bernie went after Belichick there is no way the Browns go after Harvin. Dude is the definition of high-maintenance WR, has a history of run ins with coaches, and isn't healthy enough to play on enough Sundays to justify the problems. The Browns FO has all but sworn a public blood oath that they'll avoide guys with that many questions.

I completely agree that when healthy and motivated he's exactly the kind of player the Browns could use to elevate this offense to the top of the AFCN if Weeden can make the jump with him. I just think you can't ignore all of the problems he has in Minny and it's not like those problems magically go away in Cleveland the way they would if he went to a team that players want to go to like SF, Gints, Baltimore, Pittspuke, etc.

Also you're insane if you are willing to give up a #1 for a guy as fragile and malcontented as he is. A 2/4 is about the going rate unless you can guarantee it's a late 1st - and no way in hell you can guarantee that with the Browns.
"If your mouthpiece is strong, she’ll give you some money." - D. West
User avatar
rk
 
Posts: 792
Joined: Thu Mar 08, 2007 4:06 pm
Favorite Player: Ozzie Newsome
Least Favorite Player: Ray Lewis

Re: Harvin; would love for the Browns to surprise me

Unread postby Gradysmanldy » Thu Jun 21, 2012 12:11 pm

Name me one high-profile player the Browns have pried away from someone since the return, and i'll bother reading any of these articles.

Even if he was leaving, he's not going to Cleveland. NO ONE is going to Cleveland until they stockpile some young talent and show you that they are definitively on the way up. (And have a good QB)
Check me out at Dawgsbynature, where I write stuff, or @twitter as Josh Finney.
User avatar
Gradysmanldy
 
Posts: 1530
Joined: Wed Apr 18, 2007 12:58 pm
Favorite Player: Melts Parmageddon
Least Favorite Player: The East Coast media

Re: Harvin; would love for the Browns to surprise me

Unread postby jb » Thu Jun 21, 2012 12:18 pm

Gradysmanldy wrote:Name me one high-profile player the Browns have pried away from someone since the return, and i'll bother reading any of these articles.

Even if he was leaving, he's not going to Cleveland. NO ONE is going to Cleveland until they stockpile some young talent and show you that they are definitively on the way up. (And have a good QB)


Jamir Miller.

There's that, and there's the subject line. ;-) ;) :wink:

Point being this is the time for the Browns personnel philosophy to take the next step.

And Harvin is under contract for 2 more seasons. He has no choice where he goes. This isn't LeBron looking for a championship team.
jb
 
Posts: 17730
Joined: Thu Feb 02, 2006 7:08 pm
Location: Defend Youngstown
Favorite Player: Daddy Rich / Carwa$h
Least Favorite Player: Hines Ward

Re: Harvin; would love for the Browns to surprise me

Unread postby Hikohadon » Thu Jun 21, 2012 12:59 pm

Gradysmanldy wrote:Name me one high-profile player the Browns have pried away from someone since the return, and i'll bother reading any of these articles.

Even if he was leaving, he's not going to Cleveland. NO ONE is going to Cleveland until they stockpile some young talent and show you that they are definitively on the way up. (And have a good QB)


Players don't have a say where they get traded to (unless the team is trying to be bend-over-backwards nice like Denver was with Tebow). You think Randy Moss wanted to go from New England to the Vikes?

That being said, the chances of Harvin being traded here are next to nil, mainly b/c I think the Powers That Be have next to nil interest in him.
It's only progress if you eventually get somewhere.
User avatar
Hikohadon
 
Posts: 4197
Joined: Wed Apr 07, 2010 9:33 am
Favorite Player: Scotch
Least Favorite Player: Gin

Re: Harvin; would love for the Browns to surprise me

Unread postby jb » Thu Jun 21, 2012 5:02 pm

Fellas, I don't expect it to happen either.

I'm just saying' that this team could deal with ONE malcontent (who isn't 3rd string QB and apparently has pictures compromising the PotB) if it meant having the final piece to the puzzle on paper. Plus you pay these guys and they tend to STFU and that's what's up with Harvin.

I am ready for this team to money where mouth is and take the risk to get to the next level. Contrary to many, I think the base talent snow in place on O .

I'm probably a year too early for their taste. The base talent isn't in place on D. Need a CB, maybe a S although Haag is supposed to be stepping up, one or two Lbers (although the kid from nevada is drawing strong early reviews) , and another DE of two.
jb
 
Posts: 17730
Joined: Thu Feb 02, 2006 7:08 pm
Location: Defend Youngstown
Favorite Player: Daddy Rich / Carwa$h
Least Favorite Player: Hines Ward

Re: Harvin; would love for the Browns to surprise me

Unread postby Hikohadon » Thu Jun 21, 2012 5:57 pm

jb wrote:I'm probably a year too early for their taste. The base talent isn't in place on D. Need a CB, maybe a S although Haag is supposed to be stepping up, one or two Lbers (although the kid from nevada is drawing strong early reviews) , and another DE of two.


Bingo. I'd like to think they WOULD make moves if they felt they were in contention (yet to be determined), but they won't make them this year.
It's only progress if you eventually get somewhere.
User avatar
Hikohadon
 
Posts: 4197
Joined: Wed Apr 07, 2010 9:33 am
Favorite Player: Scotch
Least Favorite Player: Gin


Return to Cleveland Browns & The NFL

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Hikohadon and 1 guest

Who is online

In total there are 2 users online :: 1 registered, 0 hidden and 1 guest (based on users active over the past 5 minutes)
Most users ever online was 181 on Sat Feb 16, 2013 4:50 pm

Users browsing this forum: Hikohadon and 1 guest