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Re: Wisconsin Gov. vs. Public Unions

Unread postby pup » Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:03 pm

comish wrote:
Fire Marshall Bill wrote:
With teachers now paying an increased percentage of their own health insurance premiums, and an increased contribution to their own pension funds, many school districts have "found money" that used to go to these costs, and can now be used for things pertaining to educating kids....you remember the kids?....like buildings...books...supplies...hiring more teachers...reducing class sizes, etc...all the things that unions who fought the reforms SAID they were concerned about.


Just my hunch that you'd find a correlation between the arrival of the teachers union and the drop in world rankings of our kids


Or an even greater correlation between the rise in the divorce rate in this country and single parent homes.



Pretty sure the correlation between divorce rate and single parent homes would be pretty high. Silly teachers. :nanner: :dingle:
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Re: Wisconsin Gov. vs. Public Unions

Unread postby comish » Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:41 am

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Re: Wisconsin Gov. vs. Public Unions

Unread postby gotribe31 » Fri Jun 15, 2012 10:05 am

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danwismar wrote:But back to Wisconsin...

an interesting (and under-publicized) consequence of the Wisconsin reforms should not have been hard to predict...but no one was talking about it before the fact...

http://usa.goooh.com/2011/10/30/educati ... t-layoffs/

With teachers now paying an increased percentage of their own health insurance premiums, and an increased contribution to their own pension funds, many school districts have "found money" that used to go to these costs, and can now be used for things pertaining to educating kids....you remember the kids?....like buildings...books...supplies...hiring more teachers...reducing class sizes, etc...all the things that unions who fought the reforms SAID they were concerned about.

Supporters of similar reforms (and I'm one of them) should try harder to quantify these kinds of savings to school districts at the time these types of reforms are proposed (or voted on) to help taxpayers and parents realize that there can be tangible benefits to their schools when these reforms are implemented.


LOL

The first time I see a school board move to lower class sizes voluntarily will be when :pigs:

Yup, they will have extra money to do alot of the above (doesn't mean they will) and these are good things. Of course, this will be done on the backs of folks who live in the communities and spend their money on the businesses that are also in those communities....but now, without as much disposable income those rabble rousing union thugs won't be able to go and spend so much in said businesses...unless you are of the belief we are all sitting around on our piles of cash and laughing at the suckers who contribute to our wealth ALA King George III.


But doesn't that mean that all the taxpayers will have more money to spend in the business in the communities because there won't have to be levies to find more tax $ to pay for these things? And won't the buisiness owners get to keep more of their money? Somehow, I don't think that small-town commerce will grind to a halt because the teachers now have 3% less disposable income.
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Re: Wisconsin Gov. vs. Public Unions

Unread postby pup » Fri Jun 15, 2012 10:57 am

comish wrote:I hate you


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Re: Wisconsin Gov. vs. Public Unions

Unread postby comish » Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:05 am

Not suggesting it will grind to a hault, but it does effect quite a few people. Are you so sure there will be real money savings to the general tax payer? Certainly the need for increased funding/taxes will be curtailed, but what you pay NOW sure as hell isn't getting reduced unless you fail a renewal levy.

It seems like the teachers WILL lose actual amounts in their income whereas Johnny Tax Payer will stay the same. I am NO economist mind you.
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Re: Wisconsin Gov. vs. Public Unions

Unread postby comish » Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:07 am

and it bears repeating...the teachers are paying those taxes too
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Re: Wisconsin Gov. vs. Public Unions

Unread postby gotribe31 » Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:11 am

comish wrote:I am NO economist mind you.


Well, we agree on one thing at least.
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Re: Wisconsin Gov. vs. Public Unions

Unread postby gotribe31 » Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:15 am

comish wrote:and it bears repeating...the teachers are paying those taxes too


Why does it bear repeating? Who is arguing that teachers don't pay taxes? Why is that even relevant? Of course teachers pay taxes! You keep inventing all of these crazy arguments to try and prove your point, from acting like people are equating teachers with King George III to suggesting that the rest of us don't think teachers pay taxes. Enough.
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Re: Wisconsin Gov. vs. Public Unions

Unread postby Orenthal » Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:24 am

FDR the holy liberal stated public unions were undesirable. When someone on the opposite side ideologically can point out the folly I just do not see a reason I have to engage my conservative beliefs.

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Re: Wisconsin Gov. vs. Public Unions

Unread postby comish » Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:31 am

gotribe31 wrote:
comish wrote:and it bears repeating...the teachers are paying those taxes too


Why does it bear repeating? Who is arguing that teachers don't pay taxes? Why is that even relevant? Of course teachers pay taxes! You keep inventing all of these crazy arguments to try and prove your point, from acting like people are equating teachers with King George III to suggesting that the rest of us don't think teachers pay taxes. Enough.


Well then...I will take my crazy arguments and tax payer bounty and go home...well to the beach...since I'm not working right now anyway

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Re: Wisconsin Gov. vs. Public Unions

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:03 pm

Yeah! Those awful unions that make up a whole 9% of the workforce in the US are ruining everything.

I might actually vote for that fucktarded Mormon. I think that might speed up 'Murrica's death spiral to dumbness. Watching it all go down in flames might be the thrill of a lifetime.

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Re: Wisconsin Gov. vs. Public Unions

Unread postby mattvan1 » Fri Jun 15, 2012 4:09 pm

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:Yeah! Those awful unions that make up a whole 9% of the workforce in the US are ruining everything.



Close to true, but greater than 1/3 of the public sector workforce is union, which makes them a very easy target.
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Re: Wisconsin Gov. vs. Public Unions

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:12 pm

Working people being a target. Something about that just pisses me off.
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Re: Wisconsin Gov. vs. Public Unions

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:43 pm

mother is a target for annihilation every day he is alive and that doesn't piss you off.... *shrug*
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Re: Wisconsin Gov. vs. Public Unions

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:02 pm

I like Mother. Dude is the tits.
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Re: Wisconsin Gov. vs. Public Unions

Unread postby FUDU » Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:06 pm

I agree, mo makes me feel better about myself, a lot better.
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Re: Wisconsin Gov. vs. Public Unions

Unread postby Fire Marshall Bill » Sat Jun 16, 2012 7:48 am

...and it bears repeating...the teachers are paying those taxes too

:lmfao:

Yeah....so do DOT crews that lean on shovels all day

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Re: Wisconsin Gov. vs. Public Unions

Unread postby comish » Sat Jun 16, 2012 3:18 pm

I think I've invited you to come visit the classroom before, FMB. If not, here is your invitation.

If you walk away thinking I'm leaning on a shovel....so be it. You won't though. Make sure you come on a hot day in the afternoon so you get the full effect of 30 ten year olds who have a mild grasp of personal hygiene.

Of course you will have to wait for three months to make this appointment since I am on siesta

I have plenty more than "We pay taxes too" but it's a nice day and I'd rather play with the kids....besides, Go Tribe already told me to stop so I guess that's the end of it :bunny:
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Re: Wisconsin Gov. vs. Public Unions

Unread postby Cerebral_DownTime » Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:27 pm

"Ship it off to China!"


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Re: Wisconsin Gov. vs. Public Unions

Unread postby Orenthal » Thu Jun 28, 2012 8:49 am



I got nothing...
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