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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby swerb » Mon May 21, 2012 7:11 pm

I hope it's not Roger. To me, of the people on The Kill List, he'd be the biggest loss to the show. He's outstanding.

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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby pup » Mon May 21, 2012 8:01 pm

Worthless footnote to last night's episode

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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby pup » Mon May 21, 2012 8:04 pm

Would never think of it ordinarily, but Hiko put an "interesting" option in his no way list.

They wouldn't off the kid, would they?
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Mon May 21, 2012 8:16 pm

Never, ever, she is the entire crux of the 60s youth movement and they have spent far too long setting that up to kill it.
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby FUDU » Mon May 21, 2012 9:18 pm

Hikohadon wrote:
pup wrote:Does Lane's death really have a different impact than Betty's would? I don't think so.

Either go big, or go home...right?


Maybe. But who is truly "big"? Don? Peggy? Sally? You know they're not gonna kill them off.

Mad Men could lose Pete without blinking. Same for Roger. Same for Lane. Betty and her husband wouldn't even register. Even Megan is not a huge deal, since we're all expecting her to depart at some point sooner than later in one way or another.

At least Lane is somewhat likable, so his death would have more of the impact that the writers would be going for rather than a collective "Thank God I don't have to watch any more of her scenes" at Betty's death.

I totally disagree on Roger, he (as Rich so often alludes to), is the comedy of the show and it too integral in some of the other character's personalities and daily challenges.
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby Hikohadon » Tue May 22, 2012 9:01 am

pup wrote:Would never think of it ordinarily, but Hiko put an "interesting" option in his no way list.

They wouldn't off the kid, would they?


That would certainly raise the bar. You can laugh off/shrug at an adult biting it, but a kid... unless it's a budding sociopath like Joffrey from Game of Thrones, people will be affected.
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby Hikohadon » Tue May 22, 2012 9:03 am

FUDU wrote:I totally disagree on Roger, he (as Rich so often alludes to), is the comedy of the show and it too integral in some of the other character's personalities and daily challenges.


Yeah, you're probably right. As depressing as the show can get sometimes, it would be downright drab without Roger to kick around.
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Tue May 22, 2012 10:06 am

Hikohadon wrote:
pup wrote:Would never think of it ordinarily, but Hiko put an "interesting" option in his no way list.

They wouldn't off the kid, would they?


That would certainly raise the bar. You can laugh off/shrug at an adult biting it, but a kid... unless it's a budding sociopath like Joffrey from Game of Thrones, people will be affected.


Weiner's kid (playing Glen) has certianly shown more than a few sociopathic tendencies.

Also, Slattery (Roger) directs a ton of episodes now, I don't see his role with the show shrinking in any way.... yet
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby motherscratcher » Tue May 22, 2012 10:48 am

What was the point of devoting so much time to the whole Crane/Kinsey Hare Krishna subplot.

Not complaining, it just seemed...odd.
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby swerb » Tue May 22, 2012 2:50 pm

motherscratcher wrote:What was the point of devoting so much time to the whole Crane/Kinsey Hare Krishna subplot.

Not complaining, it just seemed...odd.

Final send off for the Kinsey character. And "oh shit, we gotta throw Harry Crane 20 min of character development in one episode".

No more of either of them. Please and thank you.
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Wed May 23, 2012 11:18 am

Just saving this here for later:

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Milch, Weiner and Gilligan (BB) talking about the state of TV. Milch has always been an amazing interview... so.... even if everyone said Luck ended up solid and showing tons of potential except the peeps that post here (it's alright with me, I'm far more interested in the Milch takes on Tolstoy project).
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby metalhead9x9 » Sun May 27, 2012 11:07 pm

Wow...Shit just went down.

Please don't banish Peggy like post-season-3-Betty.
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby FUDU » Sun May 27, 2012 11:15 pm

Quietly one of the top 5 episodes of this show, ever.

Peggy won't get dissed at all, this show is too much about her and about an intellectual rival for Don in the office.
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby swerb » Mon May 28, 2012 7:36 am

That was an amazing episode.
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby jb » Mon May 28, 2012 4:28 pm

How can Peggy be written in?
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby swerb » Mon May 28, 2012 8:17 pm

IMO: Peggy's gonna hate the new gig (prolly not till next season) and Draper's gonna be obsessed with getting her back. She'll stay heavily in the story line IMO. They'd be insane not to, she's an outstanding character and very well liked by the viewers. You could just tell during Draper's mannerisms during her resignation that he's not gonna let that dog die.
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby jb » Tue May 29, 2012 11:23 am

How about DD going Umbaldo on his ability to form a pitch & his realization that he needed Joan to ho herself to get the big gig. Ouch babe.
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby LakeErieWarriors » Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:24 am

swerb wrote:IMO: Peggy's gonna hate the new gig (prolly not till next season) and Draper's gonna be obsessed with getting her back. She'll stay heavily in the story line IMO. They'd be insane not to, she's an outstanding character and very well liked by the viewers. You could just tell during Draper's mannerisms during her resignation that he's not gonna let that dog die.


Just watched the episode again, and yeah you're absolutely right. Peggy's resignation scene was like a father losing his daughter; and vice versa (though Peggy did seem a bit perturbed finding out that Joan had become partner).
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby jerryroche » Sun Jun 03, 2012 1:18 pm

What if Peggy becomes another agency's "Don Draper" and thus becomes the real DD's bitter professional enemy? With a fairly successful marriage and the agency landing Jaguar, things have been going too good for DD lately. Making Peggy a real thorn in his side would really shake things up and give Weiner a great excuse to keep Peggy's character front and center.
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby swerb » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:40 pm

jerryroche wrote:What if Peggy becomes another agency's "Don Draper" and thus becomes the real DD's bitter professional enemy? With a fairly successful marriage and the agency landing Jaguar, things have been going too good for DD lately. Making Peggy a real thorn in his side would really shake things up and give Weiner a great excuse to keep Peggy's character front and center.

I do think (and hope) that they will keep her front and center.

Very possible that they will have her character thrive at the new gig and have her evolve into the female professional rival to Draper.

I think they'll end the show with Draper and Peggy hooking up, or hooking up having it fail.
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby FUDU » Sun Jun 03, 2012 5:49 pm

I'm wondering if Don will get the sense that the place is falling apart, especially when Lane get's busted (soon). Will Don see it coming, will he realize they kind of run on smoke & mirrors (esp w/o Peggy), and look elsewhere in terms of his own career?
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby pup » Sun Jun 03, 2012 10:30 pm

Me thinks we found our suicide...
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby swerb » Sun Jun 03, 2012 10:56 pm

There it is. The hints all season rang true.
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby FUDU » Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:07 pm

Classic, Lane fails at his first attempt at taking his life b/c the Jag wouldn't start.
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby LakeErieWarriors » Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:43 pm

Good call by everyone on the suicide..
Pretty epic episodes back-to-back(-to back?)
Show's great. Nearly on par with The Sopranos; clearly the best on cable.
Does Jaguar respond negatively to Sterling, Cooper, and Draper (what's the company's name gonna be now?), because of Lane's suicide? Just a thought I conjured up while watching the incredibly misleading "next week on MadMen."
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby mitch » Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:09 am

mitch wrote:
jb wrote:
jb wrote:Is Layne embezzling?

And what 's the story with how Y & R goy started with the losers?


Bump.

Yes.


That may move Lane up to #1 on the Potential Suicide List.

1. Lane. Gets busted on his forgery and embezzlement

2. Roger. But he also might turn it around and settle down with Joan. Which would be boring as shit.

3. Pete. Most likely candidate...which means it won't happen.

4. Betty. We could only hope.

5. Henry Francis. I'd certainly contemplate it if I were married to that beyotch.

Weiner has been foreshadowing death all season...so I also won't discount Megan dying in an accident instead of one of the above offing themselves.


Not to pat myself (too much) on the back or anything.

Oh...and for once Betty was onscreen in a scene where I didn't want her to die a horrible death herself.
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby jerryroche » Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:45 am

Not a good month for Jared Harris. First he (as David Robert Jones) gets offed on "Fringe," then 30 days later he (as Lane Pryce) says good-bye forever to the gang at Sterling, Draper, Cooper. Now all he (as Professor Moriarity) can do is wait for another Robert Downey Jr. "Sherlock Holmes" sequel.
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby FUDU » Mon Jun 04, 2012 8:56 am

LakeErieWarriors wrote:Good call by everyone on the suicide..
Pretty epic episodes back-to-back(-to back?)
Show's great. Nearly on par with The Sopranos; clearly the best on cable.
Does Jaguar respond negatively to Sterling, Cooper, and Draper (what's the company's name gonna be now?), because of Lane's suicide? Just a thought I conjured up while watching the incredibly misleading "next week on MadMen."


The only complaint anyone could ever have of this show is those previews for the upcoming episode. The most random and often pointless clips are used, it's like Weiner put the clips on a dart board and started throwing with his eyes closed.
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby pup » Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:05 am

Next week on Mad Men...people open letters.

Have not read the av club yet, but I am guessing that is in there.
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby pup » Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:30 am

pup wrote:Next week on Mad Men...people open letters.

Have not read the av club yet, but I am guessing that is in there.


Damn it:

Next week on Mad Men: Pete opens a series of doors, and enters a series of rooms!
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby jb » Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:32 pm

swerb wrote:
jerryroche wrote:What if Peggy becomes another agency's "Don Draper" and thus becomes the real DD's bitter professional enemy? With a fairly successful marriage and the agency landing Jaguar, things have been going too good for DD lately. Making Peggy a real thorn in his side would really shake things up and give Weiner a great excuse to keep Peggy's character front and center.

I do think (and hope) that they will keep her front and center.

Very possible that they will have her character thrive at the new gig and have her evolve into the female professional rival to Draper.

I think they'll end the show with Draper and Peggy hooking up, or hooking up having it fail.



I don't think we'll see Peggy again this season. Weiner is probably working out scenarios now.
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby mitch » Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:48 pm

It will be interesting to see how Don handles Lane's suicide...given that in the first (or second?) season, Don's half-brother Adam hung himself after Don kicked him to the curb in a way not too dissimilar to his dismissal of Lane.

Given all of the ways you can commit suicide, I doubt it was a coincidence that Weiner chose hanging for Lane.
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby swerb » Mon Jun 04, 2012 7:13 pm

mitch wrote:It will be interesting to see how Don handles Lane's suicide...given that in the first (or second?) season, Don's half-brother Adam hung himself after Don kicked him to the curb in a way not too dissimilar to his dismissal of Lane.

Given all of the ways you can commit suicide, I doubt it was a coincidence that Weiner chose hanging for Lane.

You got that. You got the fact Don firing him led to it. And the look on Draper's face when he heard.

I think it's gonna be something that haunts him on some level for each of the last two seasons.
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby swerb » Mon Jun 04, 2012 7:14 pm

Serious question - did Jaguar pay AMC/Mad Men for their role in this season? Guessing no as they're not always flattering towards the cars ... including it not starting when Lane tried to off himself in the car.
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby jb » Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:38 am

swerb wrote:
mitch wrote:It will be interesting to see how Don handles Lane's suicide...

I think it's gonna be something that drives him on some level for each of the last two seasons.



Fixed.

BTW - In what season does Megan head to Cali? Next year is '67.
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Re: Mad Men

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jb wrote:BTW - In what season does Megan head to Cali? Next year is '67.


It's already early '67.

So in October, 1967, "Hair" opened off-Broadway, before becoming a big hit in 1968.

Hmmm...Don's trophy wife gets naked each night on stage in her first major role as an actress. The posibilities are endless.
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Re: Mad Men

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mitch wrote:
jb wrote:BTW - In what season does Megan head to Cali? Next year is '67.


It's already early '67.

So in October, 1967, "Hair" opened off-Broadway, before becoming a big hit in 1968.

Hmmm...Don's trophy wife gets naked each night on stage in her first major role as an actress. The posibilities are endless.



Move this series to HBO. Now.
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby swerb » Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:08 pm

Not sure what was more awesome this week. The Draper "You're happy with 50%?" sales pitch ... or these Sterling gem lines before and after it:

"You gonna tell me what you're gonna talk about, or is my look of surprise part of the sales pitch?"

"I'll buy you a drink if you wipe the blood off your mouth."
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby jb » Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:36 am

Set up episode.
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby LakeErieWarriors » Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:14 am

I would never condone suicide to anybody, but Pete Campbell should kill himself for the benefit of society. The man is so mentally twisted he doesn't know what to say, think, or do.

Don is ready to start bangin' some other broads. I think this last episode showed that he's really starting to get turned off by Megan.

SCD(P), with their expansion, is obviously thriving more than ever leading into the final seasons.

I like the buildup/momentum going on right now with the show.
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby jerryroche » Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:34 am

Season Five should have ended last week with "Commissions & Fees," an astounding episode. By comparison, "The Phantom" was moderately interesting but rather disappointing overall IMHO.

But I guess you can't expect a "Commissions & Fees" or "Lady Lazarus" every week.
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby jerryroche » Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:35 am

It WAS nice to see Pete smacked around a couple times, though.
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby pup » Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:51 am

Maybe it is because I watched the first 4 seasons back to back, but I don't remember a season finale leaving so much out there. Am I wrong?
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby jb » Mon Jun 11, 2012 12:51 pm

pup wrote:Maybe it is because I watched the first 4 seasons back to back, but I don't remember a season finale leaving so much out there. Am I wrong?



I could be wrong, but I think Weiner had to roll right into writing next season after this one, so he knew where he was going.
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby motherscratcher » Mon Jun 11, 2012 12:56 pm

When is next season?
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby jb » Mon Jun 11, 2012 12:57 pm

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Don is ready to start bangin' some other broads. I think this last episode showed that he's really starting to get turned off by Megan.
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Didn't see it that way at all. I base my take on the look on Don's face watching megan's screen test. It wasn't the look of a man who was frustrated and turned off. It was the look of a guy who adores his wife and is rethinking his relationship. Next thing you know she's cast.

The bar scene is a clifff hanger. I don't think Don strays. I think it was more of a statement that he's still DD, and he's still The Man to smokin' hot cosmopolitan manhattan women. Between that, the finncial success of SCDP, a friendly meeting of chance with Peggy, and the hallucination telling him he's rotton, I think Don grew this season. He didn't fall aprt; others around him did. He started the season in la la love land in a way that was somewhat superficial and ended it being more supportive and understanding. The tooth festering and being removed was a metaphor. This was a good season for ole DD / DW.
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby pup » Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:07 pm

jb wrote:
LakeErieWarriors wrote:
Don is ready to start bangin' some other broads. I think this last episode showed that he's really starting to get turned off by Megan.
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Didn't see it that way at all. I base my take on the look on Don's face watching megan's screen test. It wasn't the look of a man who was frustrated and turned off. It was the look of a guy who adores his wife and is rethinking his relationship. Next thing you know she's cast.

The bar scene is a clifff hanger. I don't think Don strays. I think it was more of a statement that he's still DD, and he's still The Man to smokin' hot cosmopolitan manhattan women. Between that, the finncial success of SCDP, a friendly meeting of chance with Peggy, and the hallucination telling him he's rotton, I think Don grew this season. He didn't fall aprt; others around him did. He started the season in la la love land in a way that was somewhat superficial and ended it being more supportive and understanding. The tooth festering and being removed was a metaphor. This was a good season for ole DD / DW.


I thought the screen test was more "Damn, she is good at this" and will lead to the proverbial if you love them let them go, if they come back....

For all of the success of the firm, he wasn't really behind any of it. And I think that eats at him more than anything else. Every major event, he had a ton of help. Megan at dinner. Joan getting diddled by Jag.

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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby motherscratcher » Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:09 pm

jb wrote:
LakeErieWarriors wrote:
Don is ready to start bangin' some other broads. I think this last episode showed that he's really starting to get turned off by Megan.
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Didn't see it that way at all. I base my take on the look on Don's face watching megan's screen test. It wasn't the look of a man who was frustrated and turned off. It was the look of a guy who adores his wife and is rethinking his relationship. Next thing you know she's cast.

The bar scene is a clifff hanger. I don't think Don strays. I think it was more of a statement that he's still DD, and he's still The Man to smokin' hot cosmopolitan manhattan women. Between that, the finncial success of SCDP, a friendly meeting of chance with Peggy, and the hallucination telling him he's rotton, I think Don grew this season. He didn't fall aprt; others around him did. He started the season in la la love land in a way that was somewhat superficial and ended it being more supportive and understanding. The tooth festering and being removed was a metaphor. This was a good season for ole DD / DW.


I think he absolutely banged that broad at the bar. Not that he doesn't love his wife necessarily, but he's Don Draper and that's what he does.

How did Pete put it? A temporary bandage over a permanent wound. That's everything in Don's life. And always will be. And so he'll bang that chick.
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby swerb » Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:35 pm

I thought the season was outstanding. I agree 100% with JB's take on Don.

I think once the contract dispute ended and Weiner signed on for three final seasons, that he approached season five more as the first 12 of the last 36 episodes more than an individual season, not knowing how many more would be left. This was a total set up season for the final two.

Betty will be back in the mix, mostly in her role as Sally's mom as Sally approaches the drug and sex years in the late 60's. Pete is a mental case, they'll continue to focus on his need to be loved and have his ego stroked vs. his marriage to Trudy and the professional battles w Roger and Cosgrove. Roger will be Roger as they wind down his career. Same w Bert. The final episode last night confirmed what we all expected, Peggy will still feature prominently in the story line and she will likely end up with Don romantically at some point. Draper ... who knows. I think his marriage w Megan will erode. He can't stay with a woman like that and I think he knows she secretly blows as an actress. Tooth thing was a total metaphor and I do think his character grew this season. But he'll always be DD.
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Re: Mad Men

Unread postby metalhead9x9 » Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:57 pm

jb wrote:
LakeErieWarriors wrote:
Don is ready to start bangin' some other broads. I think this last episode showed that he's really starting to get turned off by Megan.
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Didn't see it that way at all. I base my take on the look on Don's face watching megan's screen test. It wasn't the look of a man who was frustrated and turned off. It was the look of a guy who adores his wife and is rethinking his relationship. Next thing you know she's cast.

The bar scene is a clifff hanger. I don't think Don strays. I think it was more of a statement that he's still DD, and he's still The Man to smokin' hot cosmopolitan manhattan women. Between that, the finncial success of SCDP, a friendly meeting of chance with Peggy, and the hallucination telling him he's rotton, I think Don grew this season. He didn't fall aprt; others around him did. He started the season in la la love land in a way that was somewhat superficial and ended it being more supportive and understanding. The tooth festering and being removed was a metaphor. This was a good season for ole DD / DW.


Yeah, he had that look of adoration watching Meghan, but you didn't see that look recede into a moment of realization that his wife is hopelessly sad? With the specters of Adam and Lane hanging over him, I think Don gave Meghan what she wanted to avoid being haunted by another phantom. We already saw from Joan that Don hates compromising personal ethics for business. He thinks Meghan doesn't want it THAT way, but really, she does. So he's soured on her.

All season long we've seen characters desperately reaching for something more that they can't have and I think the accumulation of that has Don defeated and willing to give in to temptation again. He may have gotten rid of the bad tooth, but the rot's still there.
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