Day 3

[JacksonDysonJackson]

GBN's top 50 remaining players, in order.

*Bobbie Massie OT Mississippi
Brandon Boykin CB Georgia
Alameda Ta'amu DT Washington (X)
Jared Crick DE Nebraska (X)
*Lamar Miller RB Miami
Kirk Cousins QB Michigan State
*Ronnell Lewis DE Oklahoma (X/LB)
Alfonzo Dennard CB Nebraska
*Chris Givens WR Wake Forest
*Orson Charles TE Georgia
Zebrie Sanders OT Florida State
Billy Winn DE Boise State (5T)
*Chris Polk RB Washington
Nick Toon WR Wisconsin
Ladarius Green TE Louisiana-Lafayette
Cam Johnson DE Virginia
Josh Chapman DT Alabama (X)
George Iloka FS Boise State
Kheeston Randall DT Texas
Ryan Lindley QB San Diego State
James Brown G/T Troy

Nigel Bradham LB Florida State
Juron Criner WR Arizona State (X)

Ben Jones C Georgia
James-Michael Johnson LB Nevada
DaJohn Harris DT Southern California
*Robert Turbin RB Utah State (X)
Keenan Robinson LB Texas
*Marcus Forston DT Miami (X)
Senio Kelemete OG Washington
Cyrus Gray RB Texas A&M
Ron Brooks CB LSU
*Brandon Washington OG Miami (OT)
Marvin Jones WR California
Jaye Howard DT Florida
Brandon Mosely OT Auburn
Omar Bolden CB Arizona State (X)
*Terrell Manning LB North Carolina State
Antonio Allen FS South Carolina
Josh Kaddu LB Oregon
Joe Adams WR Arkansas
Markelle Martin FS Oklahoma State (X)
Greg Childs WR Arkansas
Lucas Nix OG Pittsburgh
Chase Minnifield CB Virginia
Jack Crawford DE Penn State

Philip Blake C Baylor
Marvin McNutt WR Iowa
Trevor Guyton DE California
Tom Compton OT South Dakota

[skatingtripods]

I like, but don't love, the majority of the WRs in that list.

Brandon Boykin's intriguing to me, though I think he'll go very early in the 4th. He's a decent CB, fragile and undersized, but I think he'll be a factor as a returner and could be an above average nickel DB. Some mocks had him in the second, but he got hurt (again) at the Senior Bowl and missed quite a few games at UGA.

Just saw Alfonzo Dennard is still out there. If you're willing to overlook the character issues, including assaulting an officer just days before the draft, he also might be a decent depth corner in the 5th/6th.

Obviously won't be the Browns, but I'm curious to see where Ryan Lindley goes. I like him a lot. Had to play under 3 different OCs while at San Diego State and played well with NFL caliber weapons like Vincent Brown and Ronnie Hillman.

[skatingtripods]

Decided on my wish list today:

WR: Toon (Wisc) & Matthews (Nevada) (won't mind others)
LB: Burfict (ASU) or Cole (NC State)
DB: Boykin (UGA) or Dennard (Nebraska) or Minnifield (UVA)

[Hikohadon]

In the 4th round, I don't necessarily care if they draft the highest ranked WR.

I want them to draft the FASTEST WR, even if slightly lower ranked.

Enough possession types on the team - need someone to stretch the field.

[skatingtripods]

In the 4th round, I don't necessarily care if they draft the highest ranked WR.

I want them to draft the FASTEST WR, even if slightly lower ranked.

Enough possession types on the team - need someone to stretch the field.

I get the logic. My contention with that is that 80% (my guess) of the playbook is designed for short throws. Is that because they don't have a fast guy to stretch the field or because Colt McCoy couldn't throw a deep ball? Or because Shurmur and Holmgren want it that way and having different personnel won't change that?

I imagine they'll incorporate more deep routes with Weeden and a faster WR, but I guess I'm just too cynical about H&H to believe it until I see it.

[JacksonDysonJackson]

I agree hiko...we need an actual threat in the receiving corps

The OLB from NC St intrigues me as well.

[Hikohadon]

In the 4th round, I don't necessarily care if they draft the highest ranked WR.

I want them to draft the FASTEST WR, even if slightly lower ranked.

Enough possession types on the team - need someone to stretch the field.

I get the logic. My contention with that is that 80% (my guess) of the playbook is designed for short throws. Is that because they don't have a fast guy to stretch the field or because Colt McCoy couldn't throw a deep ball? Or because Shurmur and Holmgren want it that way and having different personnel won't change that?

I imagine they'll incorporate more deep routes with Weeden and a faster WR, but I guess I'm just too cynical about H&H to believe it until I see it.

I don't disagree, but at this point you're not looking for a 80+ catch guy, and they have no one that can scare teams deep. I don't care if the guy catches only 20 passes, as long as he can break up that logjam that teams put around the LOS against the Browns without any logical deep threat.

Finally got a QB with the arm to throw it there, so now we need an Antonio Brown (6th rd pick).

[skatingtripods]

Well, at least we took a WR.

Travis Benjamin from Thug U.

[ClevelandFanInNewYork]

Travis Benjamin 4.36 40

[JacksonDysonJackson]

Well, there you go..,sounds like a burner.

[mattvan1]

In the 4th round, I don't necessarily care if they draft the highest ranked WR.

I want them to draft the FASTEST WR, even if slightly lower ranked.

Enough possession types on the team - need someone to stretch the field.

Nice call.

[skatingtripods]

Sure takes a lot of touch to get the ball downfield to a guy who isn't even 5'10". Love the speed and athleticism anyway.

I guess bubble screens and jet sweeps soften the defense.

[Hikohadon]

That's EXACTLY what I'm talking about. 4.36 speed. A little smaller, but no smaller than Deshaun Jackson. Probably catches only about 20-30 balls, but his greater impact will be in loosening the D up.

[Hikohadon]

Sure takes a lot of touch to get the ball downfield to a guy who isn't even 5'10". Love the speed and athleticism anyway.

I guess bubble screens and jet sweeps soften the defense.

True. But him speeding down the sidelines probably takes 2 defenders out of the box, whether they throw it to him or not. Heave it his way just enough for the opponent to treat him like a viable threat, then the running game and slants open up.

[Hikohadon]

Redskins took Cousins. Freakin' brilliant.

[skatingtripods]

True. But him speeding down the sidelines probably takes 2 defenders out of the box, whether they throw it to him or not. Heave it his way just enough for the opponent to treat him like a viable threat, then the running game and slants open up.

I don't disagree. But, he's ranked below several of the other WR. Couldn't we have drafted our decoy later?

If they're throwing 35 yard bombs to him on 2nd & 2 to free up the defense for 3rd down, I love the idea. Which is probably how they intend to use him.

Indians game isn't on yet so I can look at everything under a microscope.

[noles1]

Being an FSU fan over the years, Benjamin falls in line with some of the other good Miami WRs that FSU simply had a helluva time trying to guard.

Really like this pick. Under the radar, sneaky speed pick.

[Fire Marshall Bill]

Greg Little just cummed his pants....

The day Lttle catches one in stride and has the op to punish a DB or 2 on his way to pay dirt is the day I become a Re-Believer

[Hikohadon]

Greg Little just cummed his pants....

The day Lttle catches one in stride and has the op to punish a DB or 2 on his way to pay dirt is the day I become a Re-Believer

8:24 in...

[skatingtripods]

Hope Alex Mack enjoys blocking 348 lb behemoths.

[pod2dawg]

Gotta like the speedy guy from Miami.

...especially since the obscure DT from Cinncy was already gobbled up.

Another WR, LB, or corner @ 120??

[Hikohadon]

Gotta like the speedy guy from Miami.

...especially since the obscure DT from Cinncy was already gobbled up.

Another WR, LB, or corner @ 120??

Now you can truly go BPA.

[Gradysmanldy]

That's EXACTLY what I'm talking about. 4.36 speed. A little smaller, but no smaller than Deshaun Jackson. Probably catches only about 20-30 balls, but his greater impact will be in loosening the D up.

I said the exact same thing over at DBN. Love this pick.....if he pans out and (huge freakng if) Glittle gets over the dropsies....could have something started here. Interesting pick.

[skatingtripods]

James-Michael Johnson, ILB, Nevada at 120.

[SoulDawg74]

James-Michael Johnson, ILB, Nevada at 120.

SD:

I like the pick first linebacker drafted in forever,, now for a safety and insurance at RB wideout QB and line.

SoulDawg

[JacksonDysonJackson]

Tommy Streeter would be awesome here

[motherscratcher]

A Colorado guard in the fifth.

I can digg that. OL depth is good.

[SoulDawg74]

A Colorado guard in the fifth.

I can digg that. OL depth is good.

SD:

Yes and then the Browns who don't draft a linebacker in two drafts pick two today and another tackle from Boise State .

These picks aren't throw away's

Who finally woke these jokers up that there is life on the third day.


SoulDawg

[rbm0183]

I'm definitely liking day 3 way more than day 2.

For what it's worth nfl.com had Miller rated as a late first or early second round pick. The breakdown says he's athletic enough that with his size he could probably find a home at tackle rather than guard. They rated Billy Winn as a high second rounder. Says he is a high-motor guy who is solid in all areas.

Sounds like decent value, and I like the burner at WR and thumper at LB. Sounds like Acho should be a solid special teams guy at the very least. At least none of these picks are head scratchers.

There's a part of me that wants to see them take a risk on Vontaze Burfict at this late stage. If they could somehow get his head right he could be a steal. I'm guessing he's not even on their board, though.

[Hikohadon]

There's a part of me that wants to see them take a risk on Vontaze Burfict at this late stage. If they could somehow get his head right he could be a steal. I'm guessing he's not even on their board, though.

He might not be on ANYONE's board. He should start working on his professional wrestling career.

[rbm0183]

There's a part of me that wants to see them take a risk on Vontaze Burfict at this late stage. If they could somehow get his head right he could be a steal. I'm guessing he's not even on their board, though.

He might not be on ANYONE's board. He should start working on his professional wrestling career.

I'm still surprised that someone hasn't had the hubris to think they would be the ones to maximize his talent and minimize his knuckleheadedness. I suppose that's a testament to just how incredibly knuckleheaded he is, because it seems like there's always a GM who will take a swing on someone with his talent.

[Hikohadon]

And they drafted Richardson's FB with their last pick.

I like it.

[bookelly]

And they drafted Richardson's FB with their last pick.

I like it.

NFL.com has him listed has a TE. ? Which is he?

[Hikohadon]

And they drafted Richardson's FB with their last pick.

I like it.

NFL.com has him listed has a TE. ? Which is he?

CBS Sports has him as FB, but Alabama's website has him as H-Back/TE.

Not sure how this guy makes the team as a TE.

EDIT - He's definitely a TE. I like it much less now.

[jb]

And they drafted Richardson's FB with their last pick.

I like it.

NFL.com has him listed has a TE. ? Which is he?

CBS Sports has him as FB, but Alabama's website has him as H-Back/TE.

Not sure how this guy makes the team as a TE.

EDIT - He's definitely a TE. I like it much less now.

Hiko, in this scheme he may well project to FB to compete with Marecic.

And need + scheme = the story of this draft. Think about it. Why is ehrone biting about reaching and even the players are commenting on their slots?

need + scheme = this draft. which I might add is the best on paper by a Brwns organization since Ozzie & Clay. Yeah, I'm going there. In 2 seasons you can point to this weekend as the Battle of Britain or Midway (that's for SD).

[jb]

There's a part of me that wants to see them take a risk on Vontaze Burfict at this late stage. If they could somehow get his head right he could be a steal. I'm guessing he's not even on their board, though.

He might not be on ANYONE's board. He should start working on his professional wrestling career.

MMA.

Bmore will pick him up UDFA.

[jb]

Travis Benjamin 4.36 40

Heckert nailed this one. Let him and Norwood compete.

[jb]

James-Michael Johnson, ILB, Nevada at 120.

This kid is a thumper. I wonder if heckert saw a little Jeremiah Trotter in this kid. That's who he reminds me of when I saw him play. He's the 180 of NyQuil. No drag tackling in this kid. Our ST;s blow and he'll help there asap. Then we'll see if he can develop to be more than the boar hunter.

[jb]

A Colorado guard in the fifth.

I can digg that. OL depth is good.

I don't recall this kid at all but any swinging dick to push the human personal foul playing RG and sucking is a good pick in my book.

[OldDawg]

I am a huge, long-time Browns fan, Indians fan, Cavs fan.

This year as a Cavs fan, I really didn't want them to win. I wanted ping pong balls.
We have a decent number of balls, giving us a chance to improve immensely. Then I am all about winning.

As a Browns fan, I think we need one more year of suck to have a chance to add another elite player or two to the team.
Then all bets are off and its all about winning.

I mean, if we finish in the neighborhood of 0.500, we could get stuck there for a while.
To truly improve, we have to suck another year.

[Cerebral_DownTime]

As a Browns fan, I think we need one more year of suck to have a chance to add another elite player or two to the team.
Then all bets are off and its all about winning.

I cannot understand this line of thinking at all.

I'm sick of them sucking.

Shit.... we're only another shitty year away from another 3 year plan.

[Hikohadon]

And they drafted Richardson's FB with their last pick.

I like it.

NFL.com has him listed has a TE. ? Which is he?

CBS Sports has him as FB, but Alabama's website has him as H-Back/TE.

Not sure how this guy makes the team as a TE.

EDIT - He's definitely a TE. I like it much less now.

Hiko, in this scheme he may well project to FB to compete with Marecic.

And need + scheme = the story of this draft. Think about it. Why is ehrone biting about reaching and even the players are commenting on their slots?

need + scheme = this draft. which I might add is the best on paper by a Brwns organization since Ozzie & Clay. Yeah, I'm going there. In 2 seasons you can point to this weekend as the Battle of Britain or Midway (that's for SD).

Hey, if they got him to push Marecic for the FB job, I love it. If he's a end of the 7th round TE, it feels like a wasted pick. Which - for the record - doesn't really bother me since it is an end of the 7th round pick. End of the 7th round pick is as useless as a 2nd round NBA pick.

[OldDawg]

As a Browns fan, I think we need one more year of suck to have a chance to add another elite player or two to the team.
Then all bets are off and its all about winning.

I cannot understand this line of thinking at all.

I'm sick of them sucking.

Shit.... we're only another shitty year away from another 3 year plan.

I am with you on the "sick of them sucking."
I mean, if the Cavs had completely played their asses off this year and somehow made the playoffs, our long-term team improvement would have been stunted.

I think the Browns are getting close. However, without a couple more elite players (I would settle for 1 elite WR), I think our ability to challenge in this division is shaky. It isn't like our divisional foes had crappy drafts this weekend.

Hey, if we can add elite by FAs, that's cool. We have struggled to do so as of late.

[Hikohadon]

Yeah! William Green is back in the fold!

Hopefully he got that fork out of his back.

http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2012-nfl-undrafted-free-agents

Cleveland Browns
Josh Cooper, WR, Oklahoma State
Jermaine Saffold, WR, Missouri St
Andrew Sweat, LB, Ohio State
Matt Cleveland, OT, Idaho
Antwuan Reed, CB, Pitt
J.B. Shugarts, OT, Ohio State
Jake Anderson, OT, Akron
Johnson Bademosi, SAF, Stanford
William Green, DE, Florida
Tashaun Gipson, S, Wyoming

[motherscratcher]

I am a huge, long-time Browns fan, Indians fan, Cavs fan.

This year as a Cavs fan, I really didn't want them to win. I wanted ping pong balls.
We have a decent number of balls, giving us a chance to improve immensely. Then I am all about winning.

As a Browns fan, I think we need one more year of suck to have a chance to add another elite player or two to the team.
Then all bets are off and its all about winning.

I mean, if we finish in the neighborhood of 0.500, we could get stuck there for a while.
To truly improve, we have to suck another year.

I'm not buying this at all OD.

You're saying that the difference between perennial inescapable mediocrity vs 8 years of playoff football is the difference between next year's #5 vs #15 pick?

We have (allegedly) our QB, a decent OL, a franchise RB, an All Pro LT, and a stout defense. That's not to say we are set everywhere. Not even close. But right now the Browns are no longer a walkover team. At least on paper.

It's simple.

1. If Weeden is what we hope he can be we will be picking in the middle of the first.

2. Weeden is a franchise QB but we still have too many holes to fill and we are picking top 5-8 again.

3. Weeden is a bust and none of it matters anyway.

I guess I just don't know how #2 happens. If Weeden can play, how to the browns only win 4 games?

[leadpipe]

I am a huge, long-time Browns fan, Indians fan, Cavs fan.

This year as a Cavs fan, I really didn't want them to win. I wanted ping pong balls.
We have a decent number of balls, giving us a chance to improve immensely. Then I am all about winning.

As a Browns fan, I think we need one more year of suck to have a chance to add another elite player or two to the team.
Then all bets are off and its all about winning.

I mean, if we finish in the neighborhood of 0.500, we could get stuck there for a while.
To truly improve, we have to suck another year.

I'm not buying this at all OD.

You're saying that the difference between perennial inescapable mediocrity vs 8 years of playoff football is the difference between next year's #5 vs #15 pick?

We have (allegedly) our QB, a decent OL, a franchise RB, an All Pro LT, and a stout defense. That's not to say we are set everywhere. Not even close. But right now the Browns are no longer a walkover team. At least on paper.

It's simple.

1. If Weeden is what we hope he can be we will be picking in the middle of the first.

2. Weeden is a franchise QB but we still have too many holes to fill and we are picking top 5-8 again.

3. Weeden is a bust and none of it matters anyway.

I guess I just don't know how #2 happens. If Weeden can play, how to the browns only win 4 games?

I think that's feasible in the sense that even if Weeden can play, he's gonna have some issues his rookie year. Especially with a schedule that looks like there aren't going to be too many instances you can play it "safe" with him, and still get a win.

Hell, right now I'd take #2, cause the biggest component (by far) in any future Browns success is - can Weeden PLAY. If he can, I'll take this year's results no matter how they shake out.

[OldDawg]

Winners and losers
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1162 ... d-3/page/9

[peeker643]

And they drafted Richardson's FB with their last pick.

I like it.

NFL.com has him listed has a TE. ? Which is he?

CBS Sports has him as FB, but Alabama's website has him as H-Back/TE.

Not sure how this guy makes the team as a TE.

EDIT - He's definitely a TE. I like it much less now.

Hiko, in this scheme he may well project to FB to compete with Marecic.

And need + scheme = the story of this draft. Think about it. Why is ehrone biting about reaching and even the players are commenting on their slots?

need + scheme = this draft. which I might add is the best on paper by a Brwns organization since Ozzie & Clay. Yeah, I'm going there. In 2 seasons you can point to this weekend as the Battle of Britain or Midway (that's for SD).

He's an H-Back.

And the bottom line is you don't just over pay for shit because you have money in your pocket.

They overpaid in a couple cases and could have used that currency for something else.

Not saying they got it wrong or that I disagree with the guys they took, nor that I don't agree and can't see what they're trying to do. Just that they could have maximized the value of their picks had they not panicked on a couple of occasions.

A sentiment many other laymen and personnel people have expresed.

[mattvan1]

Winners and losers
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1162 ... d-3/page/9

What, no links to House and Garden or Ladies Home Journal?

The Bleacher Report? Really?

[OldDawg]

Winners and losers
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1162 ... d-3/page/9

What, no links to House and Garden or Ladies Home Journal?

The Bleacher Report? Really?

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-o ... mart-draft
(Browns losers)

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Czar ... eam-042812
Browns: C
Cincy: A
BMore: B
Pitts: A+

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_ ... -afc-north
(showing Browns had worst rated draft of their division)

http://walterfootball.com/offseason2012cle.php
Browns: C-

Browns: C-
3. Trent Richardson, RB, Alabama: A- Grade
22. Brandon Weeden, QB, Oklahoma State: F Grade
37. Mitchell Schwartz, OT, California: C+ Grade
87. John Hughes, DT, Cincinnati: Matt Millen Lonely Night Kielbasa Porn Grade
100. Travis Benjamin, WR, Miami: D Grade
120. James-Michael Johnson, ILB, Nevada: B+ Grade
160. Ryan Miller, G, Colorado: B- Grade
204. Emmanuel Acho, LB, Texas: A- Grade
205. Billy Winn, DE/DT, Boise State: A+ Grade
245. Trevin Wade, CB, Arizona: A+ Grade
247. Brad Smelley, TE, Alabama: B+ Grade