Cleveland Cavaliers & The NBA

by **davemanddd** » Sun Apr 15, 2012 10:49 am

beat the wiz last night 98-89 and they did it without kyrie and jamo too!!!

luke harangody??? seriously??? did he use the force or what???

just be thankful we don't have to watch the wiz. ugh!!!

by **motherscratcher** » Sun Apr 15, 2012 10:59 am

I'm not thankful that we have to watch the Wiz pick ahead of us in the draft.

Dumbass front office doesn't know how to tank? This is Cleveland for chrissakes. That's what we do best, and we even screw that up if given half a chance.

I wonder if we can give some of those wins back.

What's Ricky Davis doing?

by **swerb** » Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:02 am

by **skatingtripods** » Sun Apr 15, 2012 2:03 pm

Was at the Monsters game with a crowd of 12,410 and they showed the Cavs final score on the jumbotron. The crowd raucously cheered.

by **e0y2e3** » Sun Apr 15, 2012 2:13 pm

hockey fans are weird

by **peeker643** » Sun Apr 15, 2012 2:31 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:hockey fans are weird

95% rule.

Tell me when it doesn't apply.

by **davemanddd** » Sun Apr 15, 2012 2:32 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:hockey fans are weird

+ 1

by **OldDawg** » Sun Apr 15, 2012 8:05 pm

I was pulling for a late push for the 3rd slot a week or so back. Now these guys are sitting at 5 and could get worse/better (depends on how you look at it).

Ugh.

Hey, any of you draft experts have access to this data:
Since the inception of the lottery, what draft slot ended up securing the magical first pick.

In other words, something like this
First slot got it twice,
Second slot got it three times
Third slot, once
etc...

Would be interested in seeing that...
I know what the statistical probabilities are...
Just wondering what the actual experimental probability is
(Experimental probability: instead of saying flipping a coin is a 50% probability, I actually flip a coin 100 times and find out how many heads there are).

by **CAVSTRIBEBROWNSin07!** » Sun Apr 15, 2012 10:58 pm

Well I did ESPN's draft machine 37 times before it came up Anthony Davis to the Cavs. I got MKG to the Cavs 7 times though (6 at #2 and 1 at #3), Beal once, and Drummond once.. So there's some Experimental Probability for you.

by **bookelly** » Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:12 pm

In another thread we went over the odds. If I recall correctly, the difference between 4th and 5th is very small...3-4%. So it's nothing to fret over.

by **JJN** » Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:35 pm

OldDawg wrote:I was pulling for a late push for the 3rd slot a week or so back. Now these guys are sitting at 5 and could get worse/better (depends on how you look at it).

Ugh.

Hey, any of you draft experts have access to this data:
Since the inception of the lottery, what draft slot ended up securing the magical first pick.

In other words, something like this
First slot got it twice,
Second slot got it three times
Third slot, once
etc...

Would be interested in seeing that...
I know what the statistical probabilities are...
Just wondering what the actual experimental probability is
(Experimental probability: instead of saying flipping a coin is a 50% probability, I actually flip a coin 100 times and find out how many heads there are).

Seed..............No. of times won lottery

1...............4
2...............4
3...............5
4...............1
5...............5
6...............3
7...............2
8...............1
9...............1
11..............1

by **OldDawg** » Mon Apr 16, 2012 2:17 am

bookelly wrote:In another thread we went over the odds. If I recall correctly, the difference between 4th and 5th is very small...3-4%. So it's nothing to fret over.

JJN wrote:Seed..............No. of times won lottery

1...............4
2...............4
3...............5
4...............1
5...............5
6...............3
7...............2
8...............1
9...............1
11..............1

Thanks. That is what I was looking for.
So statistical probability says the 3rd slot is only 3-4% better.
However, this data says the #3 spot is 5 times more likely to get the first pick.
In fact, the #3 seed has a better chance than the one spot.
While the 4 spot is just as likely as the 11 spot.

Or, we can think that the #4 spot is statistically overdue to get the first pick.
Yeah. I am going with that.

by **Rusty Kuntz** » Mon Apr 16, 2012 4:13 am

We need the number 4 seed since that seed will be getting the first pick this time.

I don't care what those stats geeks that cry about "independent events" say, the #4 seed is overdue.

Not to mention the fact that when I thought of this I also saw a guy wearing a #4 Browns jersey at the top of this page and he looked happy. It is karma and we need the #4 seed plus Dan Gilbert's kid. What's not to like?

by **bookelly** » Mon Apr 16, 2012 5:30 am

That kid is the critical element. Fer sur. :tfh:

by **StewieG** » Mon Apr 16, 2012 1:22 pm

In another universe the Cavs have Irving and Valanciunas, with a really good shot at adding one of Davis/Beal/MKG/Robinson. Damn you TT.

by **OldDawg** » Mon Apr 16, 2012 1:38 pm

StewieG wrote:In another universe the Cavs have Irving and Valanciunas, with a really good shot at adding one of Davis/Beal/MKG/Robinson. Damn you TT.

Thanks. You had to bring that up again. Ugh

Don't get me wrong.
I am not mad at you for bringing it up.
I am not even mad at TT.

I am made at the powers that selected TT.

I will never get it. That was the 4th freaking pick of the draft.
I think the NBA collectively laughed at us.

by **StewieG** » Mon Apr 16, 2012 2:15 pm

Heh, sorry. This is one of those decisions that haunts you as a fan because you knew it was wrong at the time, and it only gets more wrong as time goes on.

by **JJN** » Mon Apr 16, 2012 4:08 pm

Its easy to forget how good Gordon is when he is healthy. Go Sting Go!

by **Deep In The Q** » Mon Apr 16, 2012 5:07 pm

StewieG wrote:In another universe the Cavs have Irving and Valanciunas, with a really good shot at adding one of Davis/Beal/MKG/Robinson. Damn you TT.

I don't think a verdict can be made yet as to whether the Cavs made the right choice taking Thompson over Valanciunas or even Enes Kanter.

Playing in the NBA is a lot different then playing overseas. I do expect Jonas to be a good big man in the league but you never until he faces NBA big men every night. A lot of fans also wanted the Cavs to take Kanter with that pick and right now I think TT has more potential then him.

It's early but I still think the pick of Thompson can be defended.

by **rebelwithoutaclue** » Mon Apr 16, 2012 10:13 pm

A lot of fans also wanted the Cavs to take Kanter with that pick and right now I think TT has more potential then him.

I don't necessarily agree with that. Just because TT is more athletic doesn't mean he has more potential. Kanter's ceiling is Pau/Marc Gasol. Not the greatest of athlete but technically sound and plays smart and knows how to rebound; Kanter is already a monster rebounder. TT's is harder to define but I see his ceiling as a Josh Smith-type (minus being a headcase) of a mostly defensive player with some dunk/putback/alley-oop potential but with relatively zero offensive game aside from that. He will probably settle more into the mold of another TT, Tyrus Thomas.

by **OldDawg** » Tue Apr 17, 2012 2:56 pm

Dont look now but the Hornets have 19 wins and the Cavs still have 20. Kings have 20 Ws too,
We are looking at 3rd, 4th or 5th spot.
We need to tank... get me some more ping pong balls.

Kings and Hornets need to win some games!!

by **scott** » Tue Apr 17, 2012 3:52 pm

OldDawg wrote:Dont look now but the Hornets have 19 wins and the Cavs still have 20. Kings have 20 Ws too,
We are looking at 3rd, 4th or 5th spot.
We need to tank... get me some more ping pong balls.

Kings and Hornets need to win some games!!

Seems like we're gonna land at 5, maybe sneak in to 4. Nice work falling behind the group clustered around 22 wins. For a while there it looked like we might be picking 7-10th.

by **OldDawg** » Tue Apr 17, 2012 4:35 pm

scott wrote:
OldDawg wrote:Dont look now but the Hornets have 19 wins and the Cavs still have 20. Kings have 20 Ws too,
We are looking at 3rd, 4th or 5th spot.
We need to tank... get me some more ping pong balls.

Kings and Hornets need to win some games!!

Seems like we're gonna land at 5, maybe sneak in to 4. Nice work falling behind the group clustered around 22 wins. For a while there it looked like we might be picking 7-10th.

I dunno. Hornets have won 4 in a row (6 of last 8). And the Kings are on a monster one game win streak. We just need the Cavs to do their part and suck. And do it well.

Cavs have 7 games to play. (Wizzards and Pistons possible Ws)
Kings have 5 games to play. (Bobcats a more-than-possible W)
Hornets have 5 games to play. (Warriors a more-than-possible W)

There will come a day, (if not already) when two teams tied for the worst record in their sport will play the final game of the season. Man, what a tank-fest that would be. In hoops, the score might be in the 50s.

by **JJN** » Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:21 pm

Det 100 Cle 50 at the start of the 4th quarter.

You can't stop this tank.

by **peeker643** » Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:45 pm

Tonight =

by **davemanddd** » Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:51 pm

peeker643 wrote:Tonight =

dear gawd, was that the cleveland cavaliers out there on the court tonite, or the canton charge??? inept and awful are even too good to describe that "performance". ugh!!!

:bag:

by **OldDawg** » Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:55 pm

JJN wrote:Det 100 Cle 50 at the start of the 4th quarter.

You can't stop this tank.

Such a performance will start an investigation by Stern and the NBA front office.

I can see it now...
The NFL suspends coaches for encouraging hurting players...
The NBA suspends coaches for encouraging sucking...

Tank-gate

by **StewieG** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:48 am

More of that, please. Quick and decisive.

by **Nicastro13** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 1:42 pm

StewieG wrote:More of that, please. Quick and decisive.

Shouldnt be too difficult, we could end up sitting pretty maybe 3, the DC game should be some solid watchable BBall. Everyone left on the schedule should be a L other than the Wiz, which mite be a coin flip.

76ers
knicks
spurs
Griz
Wiz
Bulls

by **CAVSTRIBEBROWNSin07!** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:52 pm

Watch the Cavs beat the Bulls in the season finale when the Bulls sit all their starters, and the Cavs drop a spot in the lottery.

by **Madre Hill, Superstar** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 1:30 pm

Ah, April, when tanking for lotto picks or cruise controlling into the playoffs means 99% of the Association doesn't give a shit and chucklefucks like Melo can put up gaudy numbers to make the sycophants in the media believe they actually really do care.

by **CAVSTRIBEBROWNSin07!** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 1:35 pm

The Raptors rotation last night may enter the pantheon of worst ever.

by **Rusty Kuntz** » Fri Apr 20, 2012 2:02 am

Well, New Orleans won again. So that leaves them, Sac and us all with 20 wins. My worry now is maintaining #4 seed. I have a feeling it's going to get the 1st pick in the draft and Davis. So that's the one we need.

Talking about #4, who is that little guy in the Browns outfit at the top of the screen wearing #4? Is that Dan Gilbert's kid?

by **OldDawg** » Fri Apr 20, 2012 8:43 am

If all three end up with 20 wins, is there a tie-breaker system for ping pong balls? Head-to-heads?

We beat the Kings, lost to the Hornets.

The Kings won the series with the Hornets, 3-1.

by **Ziner** » Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:50 am

Too lazy to look it up but I believe they just divide the total ping pong balls up.

(not real numbers, for those playing at home)

3rd 20%
4th 15%
5th 10%

Then the three teams would split the 45% and get 15% each.

by **CAVSTRIBEBROWNSin07!** » Fri Apr 20, 2012 11:05 am

Anywhere from 3 through 9 is realistic right now.

by **OldDawg** » Fri Apr 20, 2012 11:59 am

Ziner wrote:Too lazy to look it up but I believe they just divide the total ping pong balls up.

(not real numbers, for those playing at home)

3rd 20%
4th 15%
5th 10%

Then the three teams would split the 45% and get 15% each.

Then how do they decide the "won't fall so many slots in the draft behind your ping pong ball slot" part of the equation, if three teams share a slot?

by **OldDawg** » Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:23 pm

From Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Draft_Lottery

In the event that teams finish with the same record, each tied team receives the average of the total number of combinations for the positions that they occupy. In 2007, the Minnesota Timberwolves and the Portland Trail Blazers tied for the sixth worst record. The average of the 6th and 7th positions in the lottery was taken, resulting in each team getting 53 combinations (the average of 63 and 43). Should the average number not be an integer, a coin flip is then used to determine which team or teams receive the extra combination(s). The result of the coin flip is also used to determine who receives the earlier pick in the event that neither of the tied teams wins one of the first three picks via the lottery.

Not sure how they do a three-way coin flip... I am sure they have a way.

by **OldDawg** » Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:26 pm

Cavs didn't get the ping pong ball memo.
They are kicking the crap out of the Knicks.

The Knicks have clinched a playoff spot, but could be "fighting" for a higher seed??
Doesn't look like it.

by **OldDawg** » Sat Apr 21, 2012 1:32 am

Crap. The Cavs are killing me...

Draft position by number of wins

7 Bobcats
16 Wizards
20 Kings
20 Hornets
21 Cavs
22 Warriors
22 Raptors
22 Nets
23 Pistons

In the morning, the Cavs were tied for the 3rd position.
In the evening, they are in 5th position, and a game away from being tied for 8th position.

The difference between the third pick and 8th pick could be huge!

Chances of winning the lottery and the number 1 pick from the...
3rd position 15.6%
5th position 8.8%
8th position 2.8%

We would be almost 6 times more likely to win the lottery from the 3rd than from the 8th.
We would be almost twice as likely from the 3rd position than from the 5th.

Are you freaking kidding me. We can't win at losing.

by **Prosecutor** » Sat Apr 21, 2012 3:42 pm

Nice game by Manny Harris last night - knocking down 3's, driving to the hole, and rebounding. It looks like he's finally recovered from the foot injury in training camp and found his game. He might challenge Boobie for that backup 2 guard spot next year.

by **e0y2e3** » Sat Apr 21, 2012 6:18 pm

WOOOOOOHOOOOO FUCKING WOOOOOO FUCKING HOOOO

by **Orenthal** » Sat Apr 21, 2012 7:59 pm

You can't blame Chris Grant for trying to upgrade every position on the roster. If you think about, improving every spot on the roster will eventually yield improvement.

I bypassed this earlier today...

by **leadpipe** » Sat Apr 21, 2012 8:25 pm

Prosecutor wrote:Nice game by Manny Harris last night - knocking down 3's, driving to the hole, and rebounding. It looks like he's finally recovered from the foot injury in training camp and found his game. He might challenge Boobie for that backup 2 guard spot next year.

Christ.

Challenge Boobie Gibson.

Boobie Gibson stinks. Actually playing games has a little bit to do with how good you are. OK shooter, but not even real good. Tries hard on defense, but just too small for many, can't dribble, can't pass and again, you can pencil him in for half a season on the IL.

Add it all up and you've got yourself a guy that's wasting a roster space.

And if Manny Harris is even on the team next year, well, that's bad news - cause he stinks too.

by jb » Mon Apr 23, 2012 10:55 am

CAVSTRIBEBROWNSin07! wrote:Watch the Cavs beat the Bulls in the season finale when the Bulls sit all their starters, and the Cavs drop a spot in the lottery.

The Czar says "do it!".

by **Kingpin74** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 11:48 am

The Hornets won last night and the Cavs are now tied with them along with Sacramento. If we just lose our last 2, we'd get a minimum of the three way average of 15.6%, 11.9%, and 8.8%, which comes out to 12.1%. The final game opponents of the Hornets and Kings (Rockets and Lakers respectively) also have zero to play for at this point. We could get lucky and slide into the #3 spot for 15.6%. I'm sure we'll win tonight and screw it up though.

by **Ziner** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 12:32 pm

The Bulls have nothing to play for either, I will not be surprised when we win 2 in a row to end the season and slide in to the 8th spot.

I was pleased to see Kyrie was "sick" today and doubtful, lets just hope that flu holds him out tomorrow as well. I'd make him and Jamison share a room until he caught the bug as well.

by **StewieG** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 1:50 pm

You just know some hack like Parker is going to go nuts and score 40 points. Just to fuck with us.

by **Ziner** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:33 pm

Kyrie is starting. We are so bad at sucking properly.

by **rebelwithoutaclue** » Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:46 pm

Ziner wrote:Kyrie is starting. We are so bad at sucking properly.

Now, now. If the past has shown me anything, it's that the teams that openly tank are not rewarded on lottery night. Play your guys and lose the right way, and the Lottery Gods will reward you.

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