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Re: 20 games in 29 days...

Unread postby OldDawg » Sat Mar 31, 2012 6:53 pm

OK. I am watching UK vs Louisville.
Here's the plan:

Let's win the draft lottery.
Draft Davis.
And let him wear his college number: #23.
Icing on the proverbial cake.
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Re: 20 games in 29 days...

Unread postby swerb » Sat Mar 31, 2012 6:55 pm

OldDawg wrote:OK. I am watching UK vs Louisville.
Here's the plan:

Let's win the draft lottery.
Draft Davis.
And let him wear his college number: #23.
Icing on the proverbial cake.

The thought of him and Kyrie playing together for the next six years ... sweet mother of Jesus.
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Re: 20 games in 29 days...

Unread postby motherscratcher » Sat Mar 31, 2012 7:04 pm

swerb wrote:
OldDawg wrote:OK. I am watching UK vs Louisville.
Here's the plan:

Let's win the draft lottery.
Draft Davis.
And let him wear his college number: #23.
Icing on the proverbial cake.

The thought of him and Kyrie playing together for the next six years ... sweet mother of Jesus.


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Re: 20 games in 29 days...

Unread postby jerryroche » Sat Mar 31, 2012 7:26 pm

OldDawg wrote:Draft Davis.

Cavs have as much chance of drafting Davis as you had of winning MegaMillions last night. He's going to the Bobcats, whose record is so bad they'll have about a hundred million ping-pong balls in the hopper.
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Re: 20 games in 29 days...

Unread postby rebelwithoutaclue » Sat Mar 31, 2012 8:26 pm

jerryroche wrote:
OldDawg wrote:Draft Davis.

Cavs have as much chance of drafting Davis as you had of winning MegaMillions last night. He's going to the Bobcats, whose record is so bad they'll have about a hundred million ping-pong balls in the hopper.



Even with a million losses, they'd still only have a 25% chance to win. In the last 21 years only twice has the team with the worst record won the lottery; Orlando in 2004 and the Cavs who were tied for the worst record when they took James. Even last year, the Clippers/Cavs won with a 2.8% chance (8th), not the Cavs with the 2nd-worst record ball-count.
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Re: 20 games in 29 days...

Unread postby Triple-S » Sat Mar 31, 2012 8:27 pm

You're dreaming with the Davis talk.

wish it would happen though. Kidd-Gilchrist is our greatest hope.
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Re: 20 games in 29 days...

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Sat Mar 31, 2012 8:29 pm

Anthony effin Davis.
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Re: 20 games in 29 days...

Unread postby swerb » Sat Mar 31, 2012 8:48 pm

4th worst record - 12% chance at #1.
7th worst record - 4% chance at #1.
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Re: 20 games in 29 days...

Unread postby dmiles » Sat Mar 31, 2012 10:06 pm

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Re: 20 games in 29 days...

Unread postby bookelly » Sun Apr 01, 2012 3:43 am

swerb wrote:4th worst record - 12% chance at #1.
7th worst record - 4% chance at #1.


Aren't their "floors" as to what the Bobcats will get? I think they are guaranteed at least a 4, and the #2 seed likewise a 6 at least (to lazy to look it up). So it isn't exactly 12.5% or 25%. Or maybe it is...and my math is screwy.

Rest assured, losing every game from here on out would be best. ;-) ;) :wink:
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Re: 20 games in 29 days...

Unread postby JJN » Sun Apr 01, 2012 6:06 am

bookelly wrote:
swerb wrote:4th worst record - 12% chance at #1.
7th worst record - 4% chance at #1.


Aren't their "floors" as to what the Bobcats will get? I think they are guaranteed at least a 4, and the #2 seed likewise a 6 at least (to lazy to look it up). So it isn't exactly 12.5% or 25%. Or maybe it is...and my math is screwy.

Rest assured, losing every game from here on out would be best. ;-) ;) :wink:


The "floor" is your position in the rankings +3. Outside the top 3, odds are heavily biased in getting the pick at your position or one pick later. No. 1 overall is great, but the bigger deal is getting into the top 4 in the rankings, where odds are heavily skewed towards being in the top 5.

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Re: 20 games in 29 days...

Unread postby bookelly » Sun Apr 01, 2012 6:41 am

JJN wrote:
bookelly wrote:
swerb wrote:4th worst record - 12% chance at #1.
7th worst record - 4% chance at #1.


Aren't their "floors" as to what the Bobcats will get? I think they are guaranteed at least a 4, and the #2 seed likewise a 6 at least (to lazy to look it up). So it isn't exactly 12.5% or 25%. Or maybe it is...and my math is screwy.

Rest assured, losing every game from here on out would be best. ;-) ;) :wink:


The "floor" is your position in the rankings +3. Outside the top 3, odds are heavily biased in getting the pick at your position or one pick later. No. 1 overall is great, but the bigger deal is getting into the top 4 in the rankings, where odds are heavily skewed towards being in the top 5.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Draft_Lottery#Process


Thanks for that link. So the odds between the 4th and 8th picks are pretty marginal (when going for #1). But they certainly slot towards your actual number in the standings when setting the order.

What we want to see is Gilbert's kid in there wearing the same suit and tie and glasses. "What's not to like?" :cheers:

/I like that kid btw. He seemed pretty chill. Considering his maladies.

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Re: 20 games in 29 days...

Unread postby pod2dawg » Sun Apr 01, 2012 9:58 am

I heard Antony Davis' mother was looking at houses in Bath. :)
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Re: 20 games in 29 days...

Unread postby jb » Sun Apr 01, 2012 6:59 pm

Cavs doing an excellent job.

Need some luck in the ping pong balls.
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Re: 20 games in 29 days...

Unread postby jb » Sun Apr 01, 2012 7:05 pm

swerb wrote:
OldDawg wrote:OK. I am watching UK vs Louisville.
Here's the plan:

Let's win the draft lottery.
Draft Davis.
And let him wear his college number: #23.
Icing on the proverbial cake.

The thought of him and Kyrie playing together for the next six years ... sweet mother of Jesus.



And LeBron coming back, too.
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Re: 20 games in 29 days...

Unread postby SDM » Sun Apr 01, 2012 10:15 pm

Bynum just got hurt.
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Re: 20 games in 29 days...

Unread postby OldDawg » Sun Apr 01, 2012 11:49 pm

OldDawg wrote:Now
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Team...Wins.Losses..Pct....GB
Bobcats..7......42......0.143...0.0
Wizards.12.....39......0.235...4.0
Hornets.13......38......0.255.. 5.0
Raptors.17......35......0.327...8.5
Nets.....18......35......0.340...9.0
Cavs.....17......32......0.347...10.0
Pistons.18......33......0.353...10.0
Kings....18......33......0.353...10.0

Game and a half outa 4th slot for ping pong balls.

Team...Wins.Losses..Pct....GB
Bobcats..7......43......0.140...0.0
Wizards.12.....40......0.231...4.0
Hornets.13......39......0.250.. 5.0
Cavs.....17......33......0.340...10.0
Raptors.18......35......0.340...9.5
Kings....18......34......0.346...10.0
Nets.....19......35......0.352...10.0
Pistons.19......33......0.365...11.0

Cavs in the 4th pick slot in the win column now!!
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Re: 20 games in 29 days...

Unread postby Rusty Kuntz » Mon Apr 02, 2012 1:18 am

I was looking at the Cavaliers schedule. Sometimes I do that but not too much.

They have 16 games left.

9 are away
6 are at home

I only see 6 remotely winable games on the remaining schedule since we play a lot of teams that are better than us.

Unless something crazy happens we should win about 3 of the winable games and maybe pick-up 1-2 more wins against better teams who have a crappy night against us.

I think we finish we 3-5 more wins.

Toronto and Sacramento should finish in front of us.

But looking at New Orleans remaining schedule they will probably only win 3-6 games also so I think best case we end up with the 4th worst record.

Like someone else said earlier, we are going to need Gilbert's kid to rally again.
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Re: 20 games in 29 days...

Unread postby leadpipe » Mon Apr 02, 2012 8:25 am

This is about the craziest "sweat" ever on these boards.

All year long.

Christ, not sure how it wasn't clear as day these guys were going to be one of the worst teams in the league.

And yeah, Andy got injured. But you've got a solid coach, your first round pick turned out fantastic, your other pick is a contributor, they kept Jamison.....all this and they were still going to be terrible. Imagine if the above woulda turned out bad.

They'll have the amount of balls in that thing a bad team should have, and I'm not sure what could've happened to possible jeapordize this. Anyone have the slightest inclination that Parker, Hollins, Samuels, Boobie and the like were gonna turn out to be worth anything?
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Re: 20 games in 29 days...

Unread postby Prosecutor » Mon Apr 02, 2012 8:49 am

The Cavs were 10-14 going into the Feb. 10 game against Milwaukee where Andy got hurt. His loss was felt immediately as their record dropped to 6-11 over the next 17 games until Sessions was traded.

Without both Andy and Ramon the Cavs are 1-8.

So the loss of those two players dropped the Cavs winning percantage from 42% to 11%. That's the cost of not having a legitmate backup center or point guard on the roster.

All for the best, though, since ping pong balls are the priority.
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Re: 20 games in 29 days...

Unread postby leadpipe » Mon Apr 02, 2012 8:57 am

Prosecutor wrote:The Cavs were 10-14 going into the Feb. 10 game against Milwaukee where Andy got hurt. His loss was felt immediately as their record dropped to 6-11 over the next 17 games until Sessions was traded.

Without both Andy and Ramon the Cavs are 1-8.

So the loss of those two players dropped the Cavs winning percantage from 42% to 11%. That's the cost of not having a legitmate backup center or point guard on the roster.

All for the best, though, since ping pong balls are the priority.


You do realize the number of playoff teams that have pretty poor back-up centers and point guards, don't you.

The loss of Ramon Sessions has derailed a juggernaut.

Christ.
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Re: 20 games in 29 days...

Unread postby pod2dawg » Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:36 am

leadpipe wrote: Anyone have the slightest inclination that Parker, Hollins, Samuels, Boobie and the like were gonna turn out to be worth anything?


No.

But, Sessions & Gee did improve.
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Re: 20 games in 29 days...

Unread postby Prosecutor » Mon Apr 02, 2012 10:46 am

leadpipe wrote:
You do realize the number of playoff teams that have pretty poor back-up centers and point guards, don't you.

Yeah, and if they lost their starting centers and backup point guards their won-loss records would be affected. Maybe not as much as the Cavs since their backup centers and PGs are probably better than Hollins, Erden, and Sloan. What's your point?

The loss of Ramon Sessions has derailed a juggernaut.

I believe I mentioned the Cavs were 10-14 before they lost both Andy and Sessions. One, they weren't a juggernaut, and two, they lost two key players, not just Sessions.

The fact that you have to describe a 10-14 team as a "juggernaut" and then leave out the loss of Varajao in order to attack my post tells me you really don't have a response.

Your argument was that even if Andy stayed healthy the Cavs were "still going to be terrible" and it should have been "clear as day they were going to be one of the worst teams in the league". Well, the fact is they were winning 42% of their games, and were not one of the worst teams in the league, they were actually in playoff contention. Sorry, but the facts don't support your take, unless you want to claim that a 42% winning percentage is one of the worst in the league. Which will be hard to do since you are already on record as saying that same team was a "juggernaut".




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Re: 20 games in 29 days...

Unread postby leadpipe » Mon Apr 02, 2012 4:36 pm

Prosecutor wrote:
leadpipe wrote:
You do realize the number of playoff teams that have pretty poor back-up centers and point guards, don't you.

Yeah, and if they lost their starting centers and backup point guards their won-loss records would be affected. Maybe not as much as the Cavs since their backup centers and PGs are probably better than Hollins, Erden, and Sloan. What's your point?

The loss of Ramon Sessions has derailed a juggernaut.

I believe I mentioned the Cavs were 10-14 before they lost both Andy and Sessions. One, they weren't a juggernaut, and two, they lost two key players, not just Sessions.

The fact that you have to describe a 10-14 team as a "juggernaut" and then leave out the loss of Varajao in order to attack my post tells me you really don't have a response.

Your argument was that even if Andy stayed healthy the Cavs were "still going to be terrible" and it should have been "clear as day they were going to be one of the worst teams in the league". Well, the fact is they were winning 42% of their games, and were not one of the worst teams in the league, they were actually in playoff contention. Sorry, but the facts don't support your take, unless you want to claim that a 42% winning percentage is one of the worst in the league. Which will be hard to do since you are already on record as saying that same team was a "juggernaut".




Christ.


An argument or a response.....

What the hell is there to argue about - or respond to.

The Cavs blow. All year. You wanna trumpet 42%, and then split hairs as to where in the hierarchy of awfulness that rests, feel free - it's pretty much you MO.

I have no point other than that the Cavs are a bad NBA team. Even at their height of the glistening/peak 42 winning percentage.

And despite anyone's (primarily you) fairy tale anaysis that it was somehow going to change is just nuts. From week one when MULTIPLE people SERIOUSLY referred to Samardo Samuels as a BEAST all they way through how losing Ramon Sessions has crippled there chances to only suck a little....all a waste of time.

Easiest lotto ball prediction ever, to again, anyone WATCHING THE GAMES.

Now, back to your rebound% extrapolations.
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Re: 20 games in 29 days...

Unread postby OldDawg » Tue Apr 03, 2012 7:18 am

I

I had a dream last night.

I awoke. Panting. And in a cold sweat.

The dream. It went something like this...

And with the 1st pick of the 2012 NBA Draft...


the Cleveland Cavaliers select...


the Kentucky Wildcats.


It

It made me feel.... I don't know... Dirty.
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Re: 20 games in 29 days...

Unread postby Prosecutor » Tue Apr 03, 2012 8:55 am

The Cavs blow. All year.


OK, we get it. The Cavs blow. All year.

They blew when they were 10-14 to start the season when everybody was healthy. They blew after Andy got hurt, even when they beat Denver (current record 29-24), Oklahoma City (40-13) and Houston (29-25) in consecutive games. And now they still blow. No difference between today's team with no Andy, Sessions or Boobie that is 1-8 since the Sessions trade and the team that started 10-14. Same sucky team.

Sorry, I detect a difference in the team we saw for the first 25 games and what we see now, a team that loses nearly every game by double digits. Call it "hair splitting" if that makes you feel better, but I still maintain that if Andy had not been injured we would not be looking at the 4th worst record in the league, or close to it.
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Re: 20 games in 29 days...

Unread postby jb » Wed Apr 04, 2012 9:35 am

THis is getting really good.

BTW, we have a decent shot at a back up 1 or swing 1 / 2 with a Lakers or Heat pick late in round one?
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Re: 20 games in 29 days...

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Wed Apr 04, 2012 9:45 am

I wouldn't value pick 25 in this draft the far from pick 12. A ton of solid but by no means elite guys.

Right now Beal is looking better and better if they don't get #1. This team, if not for Kyrie, would be setting records for shit offense.

Wouldn't kill them to find a do it all SG that can score.
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Re: 20 games in 29 days...

Unread postby Kingpin74 » Wed Apr 04, 2012 11:04 am

I'd like to see Draymond Green with that Lakers pick if he's still around. Seems like he'd be a solid rotation guy.
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Re: 20 games in 29 days...

Unread postby peeker643 » Wed Apr 04, 2012 11:50 am

Kingpin74 wrote:I'd like to see Draymond Green with that Lakers pick if he's still around. Seems like he'd be a solid rotation guy.



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Re: 20 games in 29 days...

Unread postby Orenthal » Wed Apr 04, 2012 11:54 am

I'll be getting the Drummond bandwagon started soon. Centers in year two of college usually show major improvement. He was a disappointment this year (as far as hype and offense go) get it done CAVS woohoo!
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Re: 20 games in 29 days...

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Wed Apr 04, 2012 12:05 pm

You would go all in on the guy who did more to hurt his draft stock this year than anyone else just because he is a center.

And lazy isn't usually your style....
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Re: 20 games in 29 days...

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Wed Apr 04, 2012 12:11 pm

Per Pelton, since March 1st the Cavs have been outscored by 11.2 points per game, worse than the BOBIDDITY CATS.
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Re: 20 games in 29 days...

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Wed Apr 04, 2012 12:15 pm

BTW: The Cavs aren't tanking, they were playing over their heads at 10-14, now reality has set in and the super suck is going to even them out to where they belong, in the bottom 3-4 teams in the league.

If they were tanking Jamo would not be a Cav and no one can tell me otherwise.
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Re: 20 games in 29 days...

Unread postby Orenthal » Wed Apr 04, 2012 12:25 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:You would go all in on the guy who did more to hurt his draft stock this year than anyone else just because he is a center.

And lazy isn't usually your style....


Yeah I just read Givony's piece from the 22nd of March. It all comes down to where the Cavaliers wind up picking. At four I think its Beal, but if we land higher (not 1, that is obvious) things get more interesting. I do not take Beal of Drummond. As I said fives usually do feh first year college, and Drummond was younger than most freshman.

I am aware of the red flags an they will prevent me from being my normal fanboi. I'll need to dig more on these guys, but I know how wowowowowowyippy feels about Beal.
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Re: 20 games in 29 days...

Unread postby Orenthal » Wed Apr 04, 2012 12:29 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:BTW: The Cavs aren't tanking, they were playing over their heads at 10-14, now reality has set in and the super suck is going to even them out to where they belong, in the bottom 3-4 teams in the league.

If they were tanking Jamo would not be a Cav and no one can tell me otherwise.


This POV has plenty of contributing factors including possibly the lightest early schedule, and guys playing well who cannot sustain it (rooks, Jamo, injured Andy).

Playing out the string is settling in just nicely as we consolidate our hold on the 4 spot.
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Re: 20 games in 29 days...

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Wed Apr 04, 2012 12:50 pm

Beal has kinda sold me, the Scouts and everyone else over the last month.

He's in the top four now for sure.
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Re: 20 games in 29 days...

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Wed Apr 04, 2012 4:12 pm

I was just thinking about a Drummond and TT front court and threw up on my desk.
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Re: 20 games in 29 days...

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:42 pm

Sullinger said today in his presser he had to put back on five pounds to hold his own in the post this year.

Certainly sounds like Kevin Love to me.
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Re: 20 games in 29 days...

Unread postby Orenthal » Wed Apr 04, 2012 8:47 pm

Sloan - D-League
Hudson - D-League
Casspi - Lost starting job, bum
Walton - Was told he wouldn't play at start of season, not part of Lakers rotation, now playing heavy minutes
Samuels - I remember when we thought he had potential, has sucked all year

Yeah, I gotta respect both PROS and Lead's points. This team was always going to be bad, they punched above their weight, but a lockout schedule and guys playing good team ball quite possibly had us mired in late lotto. This group is markedly worse and a lock for #4 and there is some upside...!!!
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Re: 20 games in 29 days...

Unread postby OldDawg » Thu Apr 05, 2012 1:27 pm

Team...Wins.Losses..Pct....GB
Bobcats..7......45......0.135...0.0
Wizards.12.....42......0.231...4.0
Hornets.14......40......0.259.. 6.0
Cavs.....17......35......0.327...10.0

Only 3 games in the win column back of the Hornets for the 3rd slot. Any chance the Hornets can win 3 more games than the Cavs the rest of the way... or, considering the way things are going, any chance the Hornets win 3 more games... the Cavs look like they might not win another.
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Re: 20 games in 29 days...

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Thu Apr 05, 2012 1:33 pm

Depends on how Rusty Gordon is, who came back last night. If he comes back and goes off, they can easily pass us.
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Re: 20 games in 29 days...

Unread postby pup » Thu Apr 05, 2012 1:45 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:Depends on how Rusty Gordon is, who came back last night. If he comes back and goes off, they can easily pass us.


Get on the horn with his peeps. Promise them a max contract this off season, plus special perks to become a Cavalier. Perks get better if he gets Hornets better than us!!!
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Re: 20 games in 29 days...

Unread postby jb » Thu Apr 05, 2012 3:46 pm

OldDawg wrote:Team...Wins.Losses..Pct....GB
Bobcats..7......45......0.135...0.0
Wizards.12.....42......0.231...4.0
Hornets.14......40......0.259.. 6.0
Cavs.....17......35......0.327...10.0

Only 3 games in the win column back of the Hornets for the 3rd slot. Any chance the Hornets can win 3 more games than the Cavs the rest of the way... or, considering the way things are going, any chance the Hornets win 3 more games... the Cavs look like they might not win another.



4 games is a lot to make up this late in the season.
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Re: 20 games in 29 days...

Unread postby peeker643 » Thu Apr 05, 2012 9:59 pm

jb wrote:
OldDawg wrote:Team...Wins.Losses..Pct....GB
Bobcats..7......45......0.135...0.0
Wizards.12.....42......0.231...4.0
Hornets.14......40......0.259.. 6.0
Cavs.....17......35......0.327...10.0

Only 3 games in the win column back of the Hornets for the 3rd slot. Any chance the Hornets can win 3 more games than the Cavs the rest of the way... or, considering the way things are going, any chance the Hornets win 3 more games... the Cavs look like they might not win another.



4 games is a lot to make up this late in the season.


It is. But the Cavs are firing on no cylinders right now. They have a chance.
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Re: 20 games in 29 days...

Unread postby OldDawg » Thu Apr 05, 2012 10:57 pm

Hornets (0.259) remaining schedule
I am not sure they have 4 wins left in them. Three possibly.
at Spurs 0.731
TWolves 0.466
Lakers 0.636
Kings 0.352
Jazz 0.509
Grizzlies 0.566
at Bobcats 0.135
at Grizzlies 0.566
Rockets 0.537
at Clippers 0.593
at Warriors 0.396
at Rockets 0.537

Hey, they beat the Cavs in their only meeting. Is that the tiebreaker?
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Re: 20 games in 29 days...

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Thu Apr 05, 2012 11:28 pm

You factoring in playoff prep rest, B2Bs and all that into your calc there Old?
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Re: 20 games in 29 days...

Unread postby JJN » Thu Apr 05, 2012 11:32 pm

Eric Gordon is back, at least for now. They might want to give him some extended burn to see what kind of contract they want to offer him.
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Re: 20 games in 29 days...

Unread postby e0y2e3 » Thu Apr 05, 2012 11:36 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:Depends on how Rusty Gordon is, who came back last night. If he comes back and goes off, they can easily pass us.


How about instead of parroting me you give some damn draft thoughts, eh JJN???????
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Re: 20 games in 29 days...

Unread postby OldDawg » Thu Apr 05, 2012 11:49 pm

e0y2e3 wrote:You factoring in playoff prep rest, B2Bs and all that into your calc there Old?


No. I am just factoring in if these guys are as bad/worse than the Cavs, I don't know how many of those folks they can beat.

The Gordon factor, as you suggest, can help.
Your B2bBs and playoff prep rest certainly could help, too.
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